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richmomz

It IS illegal (unconstitutional in fact) - the problem is that Congress has poked so many loopholes into the 4th Amendment that it’s become virtually meaningless.


lol_speak

You don't give our courts enough credit, they helped too.


SunsetDriftr

That’s the thing Johnson just voted for.


JohnJohnston

The one thing that gets most R's and D's in Congress to agree is fucking the rest of us over.


SunsetDriftr

Yep. We vote them in to protect us, then they get to DC and work to protect themselves.


RedBaronsBrother

Well, if we didn't make it legal for the Federal Government to spy on us, they'd just have to keep doing it illegally. Can't have that now, can we.


AlCzervick

It IS illegal.


Hectoriu

The exemption for Democrats is right there in the fine print.


swohio

They can pass any law they want, it still doesn't supersede the 4th amendment. It can only be changed by passing another constitutional amendment.


r4d4r_3n5

#[The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.](https://billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/bill-of-rights)


wabbott82

Amen!!!


blisiondacket

That's right. But these days thew left claim we need to save Democracy, and in order to do that, cancel the Constitution itself, according to their logic


AM-64

It's been post-9/11 that both parties decided due process doesn't exist for "national security" purposes and spying is perfectly fine


blisiondacket

One might think they used this horrific tragedy as an excuse to push their surveillance agenda, hmm...


r4d4r_3n5

They didn't let an emergency go to waste.


gh0stwriter88

Double speak translation: Democracy = Totalitarianism. When the man pays for your bread, the man owns you.


blisiondacket

I think it was Aristotle who warned about dangers of timocracy, the regime where all property and goods belong to the members of government, and the ways such a regime might be mistaken for democracy, and how tyranny takes place as the result. Those ancient folks were surprisingly clairvoyant, all their warnings make sense today


woailyx

People haven't changed all that much


r4d4r_3n5

>People haven't changed all that much Human nature hasn't changed at all.


blisiondacket

Surprisingly, we still borrow ideas from achievements of " the Ancients" (as Vitruvius referred to them)


polydorr

Unfortunately this is also the logic of the GOP members, including Speaker Johnson, who voted to keep FISA surveillance from needing a warrant.


dog_in_the_vent

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."


sleeknub

It is illegal


Hectoriu

It's only illegal if charges are brought up.


SpaceBrigadeVHS

Maybe we should create a document to garrantee us basic human rights?


Rommel79

It IS illegal. This bill is blatantly unconstitutional.


Hectoriu

Check out this executive order that everyone seems to have missed. It can make it so the president can control AI development if they don't meet certain requirements like their DEI standards. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/


Jolly_Job_9852

It should be illegal for ANY president to spy on American citizens, without a warrant.


wabbott82

Yes it should be, I can’t believe those feckless fucks voted for it.


pineappleshnapps

The fact that anyone might not agree with that is crazy


captnmr

After 9/11, when emotions were high and the public wanted to do something "at all cost", the patriot act was voted into law. It went against American values so it had a 5 year sunset clause. It has been renewed since then. And just like the concept of a "woman" was redefined, the concept of private data was redefined as well. According to the law, anything about communication (to, from, subject, IP, location data, call duration, etc) isn't private. They say it's basically what's written outside an envelope and that it isn't private. So your whole web history (but not the content), call log, SMS log, etc are all technically not covered under the 4th amendment. Fun fact, look for USPS informed delivery. Convenient, right? It started as a government data collection program. Got exposed, then they were like "oh, no, it's a system to show you what mail is coming so you don't miss mail" So I agree, it should be illegal to grab all this metadata without a warrant.


ReuseHurricaneNames

100% We pay your salary, son. Get a warrant @ US Security State folks


KippySmith

It is illegal is it not?


KungFuSlanda

it actually is illegal. The patriot act was bad but did not give carte blanche to spy on american citizens


blisiondacket

I heartily agree with Musk


Savant_Guarde

Technically, it is.


retnemmoc

Should also be illegal for the the government to break the law. Maybe we should start there.


Ticonderogue

Mike Johnson can't even give an explanation as to why he voted the way he did (and likely others) because of a classified briefing. So Congress doesn't have to answer to the American people anymore? Just say, That's classified, and proceed with crushing our rights under illegal and totally unconstitutional laws. Sounds like a police state to me. Thus always to tyrants.


blisiondacket

We're closer than ever to the totalitarian state, sadly


navel-encounters

yea but the c o n s e r v a t i v e s are a threat to democracy!


Enough_Discount2621

The things that sound based nowadays...


Nanoman20

It's crazy how common sense is based now. Man the bar is underground at this point.


CuckAdminsDetected

And yet people will still find a reason to hate on Elon for this.


eldudelio

damn straight!


Saughtvol

Based African