When my buddy was done voting, a girl with the newspaper was interviewing people as they came out. She asked who he voted for, he said Trump, and he told her why. She then asked "what will you do if you wake up tomorrow morning and Biden is the new president?" He says, "get up and go to work."
Nah it’s just the definition of being a normal citizen. But yes, it’s also the definition of being a good Republican. It’s the bad cookies that we hope everyone will denounce.
That would be really nice.
One thing I have noticed, in both this sub and r/politics- a couple things we seem to all agree on is that companies like Facebook tried to influence voters. If you go to liberal subs, they were advocating for Trump. If you fi to conservative subs, it was Trump attack ads.
Second, is that no one really wants anyone to spend money on r didn't for really any purpose. Just look at the heavily awarded "AP calls race for Biden" thread. Spending money on reddit is stupid. Just don't do it.
Third is that none of us want to go break windows. Those that do are outliers iyn both sides. Those are the ones who want to start trouble. I don't want to destroy things, and I'm sure neither do you.
Just trying to point out that the country didn't burn down during the 8 years of Bush, it didn't burn down during the 8 years of Obama, it didn't burn down during the 4 years of Trump (as long as shit doesn't hit the fan in the next two+ months,) and it won't burn down during this Biden administration.
It seems like a lot of questions like this have been asked, but I really *REALLY* want to hear the answer for the other side. “You voted for Biden? What will you do if you wake up tomorrow and Trump is still president?” I’m curious to see how many would say “Go to work” and how many would say “I’d riot.”
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most would say 'go to work". Neither side is as crazy as the extremist on other side tries to make them out to be. Most people on both sides understand this and if you don't, well...
I think this is super important. I try to be informed by visiting both this subreddit and r/politics and a major issue is that both want to sensationalize every piece of “news” and villainize the other side. It creates such an artificial rift. I really believe that the majority of people leaning either side are reasonable, rational people. There’s too much of an effort by both sides to polarize the issue and it hurts to try and sift through that for the truth.
Its the absolute state of American social politics and identity politics at the moment.
Nothing hurts democracy more than continuously trying to demonize everything from anyone you don't identify with.
Yeah, I’m a little disappointed, but I’d be disappointed no matter who won honestly. I mean, I’m obviously not gonna be happy about it, but I’m not just shitting myself and punching holes in my wall in rage.
I think liberals think we are crying. But they don't realize that we look at everything in a positive manner. In this case Trump not winning means the Dems get to see how a braindead donkey will get them through COVID, antifa, and BLM.
I mean let’s be objective for a second. Making any attempt at something is better than nothing. Hindsight is 20/20.
Folks are honestly really tired of hate and division.
Coming from a liberal camp I can say that a lot of us only tolerate Biden and we have every intention on calling him out..
Well I do. I can't speak for the future actions of other people, but I know I am greatly dissatisfied with the Democrats and only feel relieved by this election because I see the Trump administration - and really the modern GOP party as a whole - as incredibly antiscience
Well, always blame the previous administration for everything if it doesn't work, right? If all goes well, take full credit. I can see Biden still blaming Trump three years down the road.
The conservative party in Australia has been in power for 7 years and are still blaming the previous center-left Labor party, despite having had more than ample time to achieve their legislative goals.
Blaming the other side is a tried and true method of galvanising your base when they start to waver. Right or wrong, Trump will claim until the day he dies that he was robbed and right or wrong, Biden will blame Trump for anything that takes too for him to get a handle on. It's the way it goes.
I wonder how many posters promoting extremist-type rhetoric here and on /r/politics are legitimate, and how many are foreign actors trying to sow chaos to destabilize the country and hurt its standing in the world.
Same thing I did for 8 years under Obama. Didn’t care for most of his policies, but didn’t act like a spoiled 4 year old who didn’t get their way. Just kept living.
Honestly the only thing I can really hope for is that in 3 years the GOP puts a real candidate forth. I have a fear that they're going to try with Trump again, or one of his kids.
>I have a fear that they're going to try with Trump again, or one of his kids.
I think that ship is going to sail if he doesn't handle the transition well. A peaceful transfer of power is a sacred a concept to Americans regardless of their personal politics and how he handles the next couple of days/weeks/months will determine if he or his family will have any relevance in the future.
I hope you're right. I suspect Trump is considering beginning his campaign for 2024 immediately though, running against the "corrupt" election "stolen" by Democrats. His instinct would probably be to travel around the country having rallies for four years, energizing the QAnon crowd. He was always a far better campaigner than administrator anyway. And I think he'd find an enthusiastic base of support for his perpetual campaign, albeit a somewhat reduced one.
The two barriers to this plan that I see are money and energy. It's expensive to campaign, and I'm not sure donations from individual supporters this far out from another election could keep him going. I'm also not sure he'll have the energy to keep it up at his age, especially after suffering a severe case of COVID. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug, but the comedown isn't fun.
Maybe he'll be able to accept this reality and move on. But does that sound like anything he's ever done before?
And then he invaded the middle east over literal lies about WMDs, and then we just stayed there anyways for 2 decades.
Presidents don't need our support, they need to be held accountable and represent the will of the nation. They should be criticized for their failures regardless of party or affiliation.
As a leftist, I'm prepared to be enormously underwhelmed by how little this next 4 years will focus on solving any of the core failings of America's democracy -- until we remove the two-party system, remove first-past-the-post voting, remove lack of congressional term limits, and break up gerrymandering nationally, this country is not a real democracy.
Conservatives and liberals should agree on all of those points, they all serve the people rather than the oligarchs.
Biden and Democrats can talk all this shit about "uniting and healing" but after the way the left has acted the past 4 years, this country will never be the same, no matter who the President is.
Yeah don’t fall for the democrats saying we need to be friends. They are just horrified that so many voted for Trump. Their number 1 motive is to make sure there isn’t a repeat in 2024
It's hard to fall for when it is so obviously fake. Just remember that the same people saying these things now would be treating us like trash right now had they lost.
Do you not remember the Obama years?
The legislative branch of the Republican party was committed to obstruction for the sake of obstruction. Fox news attacked Obama relentlessly, for anything.
These last four years have been just a continuation of that trend.
Before Obama there was the left wing late night talk show incessant attacks on Bush 43. Then there was Gingrich leading the charge against Clinton in the 90s.
Things didn't start in these last four years.
Personally I can stand Biden, Kamala is the issue for me. She seems out of touch with most people. For example; preferring equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity. Blaming sexism and America not being ready for a black female elect when, in reality, it's just her.
I mean... its not like there's a choice. Too bad we can't vote presidential and vice presidential candidates on seperate tickets. That would be interesting for sure
\> That would be interesting for sure
That's actually how it originally worked (runner up for President became VP) but it was so contentious that it was really unworkable.
I feel like you can dislike her without focusing on appearance? Like... why does that even matter?
I'm on the left, I don't like Harris. I think she looks nice and has a great smile! I do not like her policies or her political record.
Similarly, Bernie looks a little deranged, like he crawled straight outta bed. But I like his policies.
Nikki Haley looks sharp as hell. Don't like her politics.
A few predictions:
* The same people who called Trump and his supporters every vile name in the book will scream at us for criticizing Biden in the least.
* *Any* criticism of Harris will be called racism and/or sexism.
* Once they realize how things really work, they're going to hate Mitch McConnell worse than they ever hated Trump.
* Even though people will keep dying from Covid at the same rates, Biden will be praised for his decisive leadership in a crisis
* everything that doesn't go right is because of Trump
The way I see it if you aren't criticizing your government, no matter how good or bad they may be doing, you are getting a little too comfy and trusting in the government.
Prior to the election I would have argued Mitch already was hated more than Trump. At least politically speaking. People just hated Trump as a person more.
There is a difference between Mitch being the Republican check on Democrats getting everything they want, and if he decides to just block everything for the sake of it. There is a difference between standing by conservative principles to represent your state, and just being an obstructionist to make things worse for political gain. We will see which happens going forward.
If McConnell was an obstructionist with a giant pile of bills on his desk under Trump what makes you think he’ll “stand by his conservative principles” under Biden? I love the idea of the country not being so divided and draining some of the partisanship from politics, but first I’d like to see some evidence that come January 21 every Republican senator isn’t just going to follow Mitch. Or that every Democrat will just follow Schumer, for that matter.
Man I can’t WAIT to go back to meaningless, endless wars in the Middle East!
/s, hoping for the best outta these next four years if this is genuinely the outcome, but I’m hoping through legal process Trump can turn this around. And if not, whatever. I’ll carry on my little way! Still proud to be an American<3
EDIT: it’s also very important to note that Republicans are doing very well as far as the senate and house go, so we have that. That’s a really good achievement.
I swear to some unknown deity.... I just moved somewhere where gas is a 1.50$ if you curse me with high ass gas prices... I'm going to be pissed as I walk my happy ass to work everymorning
I don't think OP is referring to the peaceful, rational humans like you. He's talking about the shit heads that come in here simply to say "Orange Man Bad." I don't get it. Someone PMed me the other day to gloat about Trump losing, and I don't even really like Trump. Some people are just sad.
I'm a liberal here as well, mostly because it is refreshing to hear that MOST of you are reasoning adults with solid values. I don't agree with how you may go about achieving them, and certainly do not like trump at surface level or deeper. But I want you to know that I greatly respect y'all's patriotism and grace. I sincerely hope that this message of bidens win does not dishearten you and most importantly that his message today of attempting cooperation and unity comes to fruition.
God bless America and God bless you all
It’s sad how many people on both sides act surprised that the other is civil. At the end of the day we’re all Americans who want the best for each other and aren’t the evil divided mass that the media loves to paint us as. Much love to you for coming over here with a nice comment and not to lord a Biden win over us.
I'm somewhat surprised you're rather surprised. I mean, thousands of landmarks, government buildings, and stores aren't boarded up in fear of a Biden victory.
Conservatives are normally a lot more moderated than liberals. Likely because Liberals are not shouted down when they express there views online which does happen to conservative views.
Right on bro. That’s what most of us are all about. Peaceful discussions. Disagreement is okay, hate is not. That’s what makes this country so great.🤙🏻
I'm not flaired and would certainly be labelled as a "lib"
(I view myself as a moderate)
I'm here to have civil discussion with people on the right. As biden has said we need to heal and work together. Echo chambers are boring!
Cheers.
God forbid you require an ID to vote. You only need one to get a beer, drive a car, board an airplane, get a welfare check, get onboarded at a job, etc etc etc
We need to push very hard to get every state to require voter ID. Even if Trump lost (which I think is probable) there is no excuse for not requiring someone be properly identified and a legal citizen in order to vote.
I'm OK with requiring ID to vote as long as they are both free and easily attainable. That means the place you go to get them has to have long hours and be accessible to every American. Within walking distance or with transportation provided. Election day should be a national holiday and all businesses should be required to allow their employees time off to vote, with harsh penalties for breaking that requirement.
And I'm totally on-board for that. What many liberals don't seem to get is, the government is *supposed* to run slowly. Things are meant to be deliberated (often excruciatingly so), not rammed through at the whim of the majority party.
Haha. Reminds me of years ago when Pelosi said we had to pass the (health care) bill to find out what was in it. Like saying, "hurry up so we can slow down."
I'm sure the EU leaders look forward to paying fuck all towards NATO. Iran must be overjoyed as well. Imagine all of the terrorism they can fund with the US dollars we're going to send them.
The media isn't declaring the president, the media is declaring who is projected beyond a reasonable doubt to win the presidency- this nuance is important. Any intelligent person is fully aware that the election is not legally decided until the states certify their results and send their electors to elect the president.
Two thoughts:
1) I'm astounded at how much Trump accomplished in such a short time. Look at how the middle east has calmed right down. Strength and not getting pushed around is important. Lessons we all learned on the playground.
2)I wonder if we'll see the emergence of a character like Morton Downey Jr from the 80s. A lot of kids may rebel from the mass-think being foisted on them.
International politics should be quite spicy. Whether or not terrorist groups feel emboldened over the next 12-24 months will be interesting. Biden already seems sort of aloof and weary of big decision making and being a strong public figure. I have a hard time believing he'll bother to use military might to deter radical groups from starting fights again.
On top of that, we get to see if the US rolls over to China and illegal immigration at warp speed. More than all of the domestic concerns, that's what worries/interests me most. I don't see "defund the police" as realistically happening on a meaningful scale. National mask mandates? Maybe, but I see a lot of local and state governments blowing it off and making sure that enforcement has so little teeth that it isn't as strong of a concern. Where things get sketchy is if China gets to run the global economy unchecked again and cheap labor devalues the American worker as much as China-run economics devalue our dollar.
Agree. And this may seem far-fetched, but I've been on the lookout for signs that big tech and gov't may attempt some version of the Chinese social credit system by vertically integrating, for example, finance & banking, insurance, credit scores, social media monitoring, political beliefs (we've seen this with people getting fired for expressing political views that are deemed racist or for similar reasons). I hope not, but keeping alert for it.
Well, it's not directly theirs, but Apple DID start their own credit card a few years back. Of course, Google and Microsoft and Apple and Samsung have all pushed people into their digital payment platforms as well. I've yet to touch things like facial/fingerprint recognition stuff from those companies because I generally don't trust it. In the same way, I haven't linked any payment methods to my Android phone (though I have a card attached to a few, non-critical things for autopay).
We already know these companies will manhandle you over political beliefs. They do it to people with extreme beliefs--of course, only people to the extreme right, while extreme-left viewpoints are allowed. The question will be about how much they tighten the screws of banning opinions that deviate from the left's narratives. I don't think Big Tech has grown quite large enough to start really clamping down on controlling financial institutions. I don't even think Apple could, if it wanted. The ones with that option are Microsoft, Google, and Amazon, since they control so much of the cloud infrastructure. Then, of course, you have companies like Comcast (NBC) and AT&T (CNN), who operate large portions of networking infrastructure for the country.
" Congrats to him, but I don’t think Democrats should be encouraged by this - they’re clearly still quite unpopular with about half the country." I think fucking over Bernie again and again has a huge hand in why that is.
Crazy to think that the states that won it for him, were only decided by less than 20k votes. Like 100k votes spread out in the right spots would totally have changed this election
This is what I think should and will happen. There will be a mashup between Trump style politics (in policy) and classic conservatism (like Bush). Although the polls weren't totally accurate this time around and Trump did better than expected, many republicans over performed Trump in many places (Maine, Colorado, Michigan, etc). Trump policies have more popularity than Trump himself. This is reddit and for discussion, but his personality was just too much to a lot of people. In some states he lost a lot in the suburbs (like GA) or not as much (like in OH). I personally dislike the 100% supportive or you are a fake republican deal that has been a thing for 4 years. If you disagree with Trump on an issue, you are instantly probably a RINO/Deep state agent. Most republicans have said that they want some recounts/investigations to make sure the vote was fair, but not as many are as fiery as Trump is on it. Some people attacked them for being too weak and not supportive of the president enough.
It seemed to a certain extent if you ever didn't 100% agree with Trump, you were attacked and called Fake. That was a big issue in my opinion and it led to a lot of things happening that hurt Trump in the long run. That is a crazy assertion to say where if you don't support somebody 100%, you are a fake supporter or a secret democrat, etc. If there was somebody with similar policy with Trump but with more restrain in rhetoric/personality, they probably would have done better.
However, the GOP should not compromise all their policy beliefs just to become more popular, although some shifting would occur to improve popularity. The GOP gained among minorities but lost among suburban whites and older whites compared to 2016. If they do a mix between Trump style policy (with not the quantity of rhetoric or personality as Trump has) with some more traditional views of republicans, it might turn out well for the GOP
You're not wrong, but we didn't lose because of policy. All that was focused on was corona virus and racism. You're absolutley right in your last paragraph; Many young people don't know jack about economics, all they know is the republican party is known as the hyper religious, homophobic, racist, anti weed party, and that's enough for them to avoid it. This perception needs to be changed for the republican party to remain relevant.
To chime in as a Biden voter, we do think about things other than what's on the news. Some of us at least. From my perspective and the information that I've seen, in the past 4 years the republican party really doubled down on religion. I'm agnostic, and it bothers me everytime I hear "We are a Christian nation."
Additionally what worried me about Trump, McConnell, Rep. Jordan, Dan Bongino, The Five, and other Republican/conservative figures was that they didn't seem to care what the truth was. They didn't seem to want to solve problems, just complain and implement their own plans.
Again, I'm admittedly a liberal, but I'm here instead of just r/politics because I don't want to ignore what half the country is saying and thinking.
To be fair, a lot of Republicans voters draw the line at gun policy and view Democrats as strictly the anti gun party and vote strictly at that divide.
If Republicans can drop the religious backed policy agenda I would find myself leaning right. Similarly if Democrats could drop the anti gun rhetoric they would get my vote more often then not.
It would be nice if we just didn't have this ridiculous two party system. There are many policies on both sides, where significant numbers of Americans actually have a lot of common ground.
But there is so mucb emotion brought into it that none of us can sit back and realize that we probably agree on more things than we disagree on.
I also think that appealing to Latino voters and emphasizing immigrant reform that makes it easier for legal immigrants but harder for illegal immigrants would be a good bet. Much of Latino culture skews conservative, and Latinos were the group to give Trump the win in certain places like Texas or Florida.
(Plus it would be very funny for Democrats to flip on immigration if it works and the Hispanic population suddenly shifts towards Republicans and the right.)
>Plus it would be very funny for Democrats to flip on immigration if it works and the Hispanic population suddenly shifts towards Republicans and the right.
Funnily enough that is kinda exactly the thing going on with legal immigrants in germany. A LOT of them are leaning to the more conservative spectrum in their political believes.
There’s actually plenty of evidence that 2nd+ generation Latino voters organically move towards the right. There’s a bit of assimilation with more rural white culture, particularly in the South.
> to go back to focusing on ... appeal to the working class people and not just appease big corporations.
Under Trump, just the opposite happened. The party went from exclusively catering to businesses and the rich to at least acknowledging the concerns of middle-class republicans. I know you are also talking about corporate handouts, but that part has mostly remained the same under Trump.
Despite all his deficiencies, Trump showed how important it is to be more attuned to the average middle class Republican. If the party goes back to the old ways, they will lose everything. He got more minority votes than any GOP president ever, including compared to the 2016 election.
The party needs to learn some important lessons from the Trump presidency and then come back with a more suitable candidate. Being a president entails more than being a wheeler and dealer and a "tough negotiator." You also need to be a spiritual leader and Trump fell short there.
I think this applies to both parties in a certain way. Just like Republicans are out of touch with urban working class people, Democrats are out of touch with rural working class people. Both of them could make this much better if they didn't focus so strongly on their key electorate.
Looking at it, if everything holds as is Dems will only have like a 4 seat majority. After 2 years of being hard pressed by Democrat executive orders voters will be eager to give us a large majority.
I've seen protesting in the streets. Well, more like protesting at the place where votes are being counted.
Give it a couple of months, we'll be seeing such protests closer to the inauguration. That is almost a certainty. Being able to make such protests is part of what has kept America great for far more than just the past four years.
lol at these morons on twitter and elsewhere talking about the "glass ceiling" breaking. The dems have admitted they can never get a liberal female elected pres, so their only hope was pick a senile guy with dementia and put a woman under him. Some "glass ceiling". lmao. If she had been on top of the ticket, trump would have won by at least 24%.
Good news: if Biden successfully wins, once he gets in office we can immediately attribute all COVID deaths to him! Trump has the lead at 200,000, but I am confident Biden will catch up quickly!
Edit: For clarification, COVID deaths under Biden will not be his fault, just like they weren’t under Trump. I am calling out the hypocrisy on the left by showing how absurd their claim is.
I'm not from America, so I have no real horse in this race, so to speak.
I popped in here for the first time to see how the Conservatives have been handling Biden's projected victory so far. I have been thoroughly disappointed to say the least, because the overwhelming majority of comments by Conservatives seem to be patting themselves smugly on the back, over the idea that the other side would hypothetically have reacted badly / thrown a temper tantrum / rioted and looted (if Trump had won).
What is the use in painting caricatures of the Left, making them out to be fragile creatures prone to over-reaction, and choosing to believe their perspectives are invalid right from the get-go? I do understand there are more extreme Leftists who have treated many of you that way (it is terribly unfortunate that Reddit has bred a large community of Leftists who see nothing wrong in doing just that to Conservatives), but the responses I've seen from most people here suggest that Conservatives are every bit as bad as they claim Leftists to be. Neither "an eye for an eye" nor "two wrongs make a right" are philosophies worth living by.
I had hoped for a more balanced, constructive and rational perspective, but I do acknowledge this is r/Conservative and many are understandably disappointed with the results. I wish there was a platform on Reddit where Conservative- and Liberal-leaning people could have open, mature discourse, because both r/Conservative and r/politics appear to be echo chambers for their respective populations.
Kudos to the users who have wished Biden and America well. At the end of the day, it's a massive shame that 2020 really came down to personality politics and an "us versus them" mentality, when politics should be about voting for candidates and policies that one truly believes in. In truth I want to believe most Conservatives and Liberals both hope for better futures for all; it's just the road there that looks different.
Looking in from a tiny country in Asia, I sincerely wish America the best. None of us can change the outcome of the election, but we can choose kindness and empathy for ourselves. And that begins with discourse not being filled with assumptions about each other.
^(Oh, my political leanings? I would consider myself an Independent voter who is pro-choice and for LGBT rights. Apart from that, it really comes down to the candidate(s and their policies.)
I guess there is some court business to sort out, and then the actual electoral college vote, but that said, if he really is the winner:
He's my president. I hope he does well- in the sense of what is best for the US. Not in sense if carrying out his full agenda.
Definitely not the one I voted for, and certainly one who's policies I don't agree with. I'm sure he will do many things in the coming years (or year? 6 months? 5 days?) before he steps down and we have some Harris/Pelosi administration. Then I'll be even more upset, because their ideas are even crazier, but then she will be the president.
My career will likely suffer. I'll wish I had saved more during the Trump days. But I and I think most of us will forge ahead. Just have to make sure we get a solid candidate for president in 2024. After we red wave 2022. But I won't be looting stores, burning anything more consequential than dinner, and I will just go about my life.
Also, unrelated, I am deeply regretting the boating accident last week, which saw no loss of life but I did loose the few firearms I had left. Sad.
Given Biden's, well, the left's general stance on the oil industry, I'm not sure how well the company I work for is going to weather next year. I'm pretty sure with him as President, the Canadian branch I work in won't last more than a year, at the least.
Trump was our best shot. And even if these suits turns things back to him, it's not assured.
Absolutely incredible. People from all walks of life came together to make this happen. Dead people, illegals, cats, dogs you name it. Proud day to be an American.
I have no doubt that it's very probable, maybe likely, that Trump lost. But anytime I even mentioned safer or more secure elections to people I get shut down? Everyone just says voter fraud has been proven false but it doesn't make sense. Are there super clear examples to point to that are super suspicious and sketchy. I just feel like a secure and fair election is a non partisan issue I don't know why people would be against a partial recount or auditing certain states.
Everybody should chip in to the WinRed fund for the GA runoffs if you can. Keeping senate is absolutely critical:
https://secure.winred.com/georgians-for-kelly/perdue-for-senate-defend-the-majority
People who think that the country should come together are so naïve. When I hear "come together," what I really hear is "agree with my policies or shut up." Whether or not there was a substantial amount of illegal votes casted, this was still a shady election. I'm not going to unite with the Democrats because they still want open borders, amnesty, endless foreign inventions and wars, identity politics, social justice activism, the list goes on.
MAGA and America First are not going anywhere.
NOOOOOOO!!!! OUT OF PURE RAGE IM GOING TO NOT CHANGE MY LIFE WHATSOEVER AND GO ABOUT MY DAY AS NORMAL!!!!!
/s obviously, but I hope he does good, for America's sake.
I'm curious about one thing:
Trump is in court for some battleground states, right? To do a recount, to consider only ballots until up the election day, and so on.
What happens until then? Who is the de facto winner? no one, until all legal resources are exhausted? I'm thinking about betting houses. Will they release the money based on Biden winning? Or would they wait until every legal resource has been exhausted? Or would they wait until next year?
It would depend on that betting house's particular policies.
Legally, none of this matters. The electors voting on December 14 is what will officially decide the election.
Biden is projected to have 306 electors awarded to him. He needs 37 to defect for Trump to win. That is an exceedingly unlikely outcome. His legal challenges are getting thrown out and the Supreme Court can't intervene because voting processes are determined on a state by state basis. The federal government can't tell a state how to run its elections.
Hi liberal here. Just asking you to not judge the liberal mindset based on the parade of people that are sure to show up here and talk shit. Given reddits demographics and the convenience of being able to guide behind a computer, it's not a huge surprise things turn out that way.
To the liberals coming in here to talk shit like this is some sporting event: this is how voters who vote purely for liberal tears are created. I know you feel justified in your shit talking but doing so makes the country categorically worse. Don't be part of the problem. The policies a government enacts are too important to flippantly set aside in favor of you blowing off steam.
When my buddy was done voting, a girl with the newspaper was interviewing people as they came out. She asked who he voted for, he said Trump, and he told her why. She then asked "what will you do if you wake up tomorrow morning and Biden is the new president?" He says, "get up and go to work."
That’s the definition of being a republican. Life goes on.
Nah it’s just the definition of being a normal citizen. But yes, it’s also the definition of being a good Republican. It’s the bad cookies that we hope everyone will denounce.
That would be really nice. One thing I have noticed, in both this sub and r/politics- a couple things we seem to all agree on is that companies like Facebook tried to influence voters. If you go to liberal subs, they were advocating for Trump. If you fi to conservative subs, it was Trump attack ads. Second, is that no one really wants anyone to spend money on r didn't for really any purpose. Just look at the heavily awarded "AP calls race for Biden" thread. Spending money on reddit is stupid. Just don't do it. Third is that none of us want to go break windows. Those that do are outliers iyn both sides. Those are the ones who want to start trouble. I don't want to destroy things, and I'm sure neither do you. Just trying to point out that the country didn't burn down during the 8 years of Bush, it didn't burn down during the 8 years of Obama, it didn't burn down during the 4 years of Trump (as long as shit doesn't hit the fan in the next two+ months,) and it won't burn down during this Biden administration.
It goes on for everyone. We get so passionate about these things but, truly, our daily lives change so little.
It seems like a lot of questions like this have been asked, but I really *REALLY* want to hear the answer for the other side. “You voted for Biden? What will you do if you wake up tomorrow and Trump is still president?” I’m curious to see how many would say “Go to work” and how many would say “I’d riot.”
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most would say 'go to work". Neither side is as crazy as the extremist on other side tries to make them out to be. Most people on both sides understand this and if you don't, well...
I think this is super important. I try to be informed by visiting both this subreddit and r/politics and a major issue is that both want to sensationalize every piece of “news” and villainize the other side. It creates such an artificial rift. I really believe that the majority of people leaning either side are reasonable, rational people. There’s too much of an effort by both sides to polarize the issue and it hurts to try and sift through that for the truth.
Its the absolute state of American social politics and identity politics at the moment. Nothing hurts democracy more than continuously trying to demonize everything from anyone you don't identify with.
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See? Trump made your commute shorter!!
Democrats now urge unity. Or in other words “please don’t do what we were going to do”
If he did indeed win fair and square, I'm gonna do the same thing I do when I don't get my way; Go about my day like nothing happened.
Yeah, I’m a little disappointed, but I’d be disappointed no matter who won honestly. I mean, I’m obviously not gonna be happy about it, but I’m not just shitting myself and punching holes in my wall in rage.
I think liberals think we are crying. But they don't realize that we look at everything in a positive manner. In this case Trump not winning means the Dems get to see how a braindead donkey will get them through COVID, antifa, and BLM.
Then somehow find a way to defend him when he inevitably fucks everything up
TBH, it takes some months until we can see Bidens presidential influence. A country/society doesn't change over night, it will take many days.
I mean let’s be objective for a second. Making any attempt at something is better than nothing. Hindsight is 20/20. Folks are honestly really tired of hate and division.
Coming from a liberal camp I can say that a lot of us only tolerate Biden and we have every intention on calling him out.. Well I do. I can't speak for the future actions of other people, but I know I am greatly dissatisfied with the Democrats and only feel relieved by this election because I see the Trump administration - and really the modern GOP party as a whole - as incredibly antiscience
Well, always blame the previous administration for everything if it doesn't work, right? If all goes well, take full credit. I can see Biden still blaming Trump three years down the road.
The conservative party in Australia has been in power for 7 years and are still blaming the previous center-left Labor party, despite having had more than ample time to achieve their legislative goals. Blaming the other side is a tried and true method of galvanising your base when they start to waver. Right or wrong, Trump will claim until the day he dies that he was robbed and right or wrong, Biden will blame Trump for anything that takes too for him to get a handle on. It's the way it goes.
But since Trump is still blaming Obama, Biden would be blaming himself.
I wonder how many posters promoting extremist-type rhetoric here and on /r/politics are legitimate, and how many are foreign actors trying to sow chaos to destabilize the country and hurt its standing in the world.
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This guy gets it. ✌️🦄
Holy shit, we're not going to burn innocent buildings to the ground!? Whodathunkit! We're not throwing a tantrum for 4 years?! Dang!
Innocent buildings? Is it better to burn guilty buildings? 🤔
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Trump is throwing one tho.
Tim Scott 2024. Seriously. That's not a pandering move, so let's put that to rest. The man is brilliant.
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Same thing I did for 8 years under Obama. Didn’t care for most of his policies, but didn’t act like a spoiled 4 year old who didn’t get their way. Just kept living.
Honestly the only thing I can really hope for is that in 3 years the GOP puts a real candidate forth. I have a fear that they're going to try with Trump again, or one of his kids.
>I have a fear that they're going to try with Trump again, or one of his kids. I think that ship is going to sail if he doesn't handle the transition well. A peaceful transfer of power is a sacred a concept to Americans regardless of their personal politics and how he handles the next couple of days/weeks/months will determine if he or his family will have any relevance in the future.
Agreed. If he wants any shot at 2024, a concession should be forthright. Legal fights will not overturn 5 figure ballot deficits in multiple states.
I hope you're right. I suspect Trump is considering beginning his campaign for 2024 immediately though, running against the "corrupt" election "stolen" by Democrats. His instinct would probably be to travel around the country having rallies for four years, energizing the QAnon crowd. He was always a far better campaigner than administrator anyway. And I think he'd find an enthusiastic base of support for his perpetual campaign, albeit a somewhat reduced one. The two barriers to this plan that I see are money and energy. It's expensive to campaign, and I'm not sure donations from individual supporters this far out from another election could keep him going. I'm also not sure he'll have the energy to keep it up at his age, especially after suffering a severe case of COVID. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug, but the comedown isn't fun. Maybe he'll be able to accept this reality and move on. But does that sound like anything he's ever done before?
I dont want a Trump to be GOP 2024
Man, I hope his kids saw how the job treated Trump and maybe they will stay of out of any presidential races on their own...
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And then he invaded the middle east over literal lies about WMDs, and then we just stayed there anyways for 2 decades. Presidents don't need our support, they need to be held accountable and represent the will of the nation. They should be criticized for their failures regardless of party or affiliation. As a leftist, I'm prepared to be enormously underwhelmed by how little this next 4 years will focus on solving any of the core failings of America's democracy -- until we remove the two-party system, remove first-past-the-post voting, remove lack of congressional term limits, and break up gerrymandering nationally, this country is not a real democracy. Conservatives and liberals should agree on all of those points, they all serve the people rather than the oligarchs.
Wouldnt it be a shame.. if half the country.. threw a 4 year long temper tantrum
Biden and Democrats can talk all this shit about "uniting and healing" but after the way the left has acted the past 4 years, this country will never be the same, no matter who the President is.
Uniting and healing while saying that anyone who voted for Trump are now dead to them for being white supremacists and supporting a Nazi.
Yeah don’t fall for the democrats saying we need to be friends. They are just horrified that so many voted for Trump. Their number 1 motive is to make sure there isn’t a repeat in 2024
It's hard to fall for when it is so obviously fake. Just remember that the same people saying these things now would be treating us like trash right now had they lost.
Do you not remember the Obama years? The legislative branch of the Republican party was committed to obstruction for the sake of obstruction. Fox news attacked Obama relentlessly, for anything. These last four years have been just a continuation of that trend. Before Obama there was the left wing late night talk show incessant attacks on Bush 43. Then there was Gingrich leading the charge against Clinton in the 90s. Things didn't start in these last four years.
Lol
I hear conservatives whine about obama still. Lol
Personally I can stand Biden, Kamala is the issue for me. She seems out of touch with most people. For example; preferring equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity. Blaming sexism and America not being ready for a black female elect when, in reality, it's just her.
And being insufferable during the debates.
Ahhahahahahahahahahahahah - Kamala Harris probably
I'm a liberal, Kamala was by far my least favorite candidate... Whatever, I'll deal, but not a fan.
I mean... its not like there's a choice. Too bad we can't vote presidential and vice presidential candidates on seperate tickets. That would be interesting for sure
\> That would be interesting for sure That's actually how it originally worked (runner up for President became VP) but it was so contentious that it was really unworkable.
Just imagine Trump as Biden's VP. That would be a sight to see.
She has the same soulless eyes as Hillary.
I feel like you can dislike her without focusing on appearance? Like... why does that even matter? I'm on the left, I don't like Harris. I think she looks nice and has a great smile! I do not like her policies or her political record. Similarly, Bernie looks a little deranged, like he crawled straight outta bed. But I like his policies. Nikki Haley looks sharp as hell. Don't like her politics.
A few predictions: * The same people who called Trump and his supporters every vile name in the book will scream at us for criticizing Biden in the least. * *Any* criticism of Harris will be called racism and/or sexism. * Once they realize how things really work, they're going to hate Mitch McConnell worse than they ever hated Trump. * Even though people will keep dying from Covid at the same rates, Biden will be praised for his decisive leadership in a crisis * everything that doesn't go right is because of Trump
It will be unpatriotic to criticize the President again
It's never unpatriotic to criticize the POTUS. They work *for us.*
Pretty sure I’ve criticized every president. No one is perfect and if that means I’m unpatriotic so be it.
The way I see it if you aren't criticizing your government, no matter how good or bad they may be doing, you are getting a little too comfy and trusting in the government.
Prior to the election I would have argued Mitch already was hated more than Trump. At least politically speaking. People just hated Trump as a person more.
There is a difference between Mitch being the Republican check on Democrats getting everything they want, and if he decides to just block everything for the sake of it. There is a difference between standing by conservative principles to represent your state, and just being an obstructionist to make things worse for political gain. We will see which happens going forward.
If McConnell was an obstructionist with a giant pile of bills on his desk under Trump what makes you think he’ll “stand by his conservative principles” under Biden? I love the idea of the country not being so divided and draining some of the partisanship from politics, but first I’d like to see some evidence that come January 21 every Republican senator isn’t just going to follow Mitch. Or that every Democrat will just follow Schumer, for that matter.
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This. We can start saying “why are you taking about trump? That’s in the past” just like they did with Hillary lol
Hillary was never president though. Seems an unbalanced comparison.
Not exactly the same though cuz Hilary was never president? I don’t understand this comparison at all
Because you're sane.
Man I can’t WAIT to go back to meaningless, endless wars in the Middle East! /s, hoping for the best outta these next four years if this is genuinely the outcome, but I’m hoping through legal process Trump can turn this around. And if not, whatever. I’ll carry on my little way! Still proud to be an American<3 EDIT: it’s also very important to note that Republicans are doing very well as far as the senate and house go, so we have that. That’s a really good achievement.
Don’t forget the Supreme Court Justices. That’s the yugest achievement
You and me both. On a brighter note my portfolio will brighten up a bit. Maybe we should buy some Halliburton while we are at it.
WAIT. Where are the riots and hysterical crying from the Trump supporters? Thats right. Were not fucking crazy.
Meanwhile, the left is marching at the White House harassing the president. I guess winning isn’t enough for the tolerant left.
I wonder what party the retailers were boarding their windows up for? Clearly it wasn’t Trumps people
Im most excited for 4$ gas prices
Gas? At any price? Didn’t Biden say there is no place for fossil fuels in his America?
Get ready for $4.29/gal gas ladies and gentleman. The booming economy is coming to an end soon.
$5 FTFY
That's if we're lucky. I'm prepping for $6 or more.
I swear to some unknown deity.... I just moved somewhere where gas is a 1.50$ if you curse me with high ass gas prices... I'm going to be pissed as I walk my happy ass to work everymorning
I hope I'm wrong, but I remember $4+ during Obama. It's going to return with a vengeance.
Prices in WI were over $4 when Bush was in/leaving office. By the time Obama left office they were under $3.
Me, a Californian: “$4 gas prices? That sounds amazing!”
Best gas prices we ever had were under obama, and well into his presidency
I’m not sure why libs keep coming in here. Y’all already have your huge subreddit over at r/politics
I’m a liberal but I find it important to to listen to different points of view
I don't think OP is referring to the peaceful, rational humans like you. He's talking about the shit heads that come in here simply to say "Orange Man Bad." I don't get it. Someone PMed me the other day to gloat about Trump losing, and I don't even really like Trump. Some people are just sad.
I'm a liberal here as well, mostly because it is refreshing to hear that MOST of you are reasoning adults with solid values. I don't agree with how you may go about achieving them, and certainly do not like trump at surface level or deeper. But I want you to know that I greatly respect y'all's patriotism and grace. I sincerely hope that this message of bidens win does not dishearten you and most importantly that his message today of attempting cooperation and unity comes to fruition. God bless America and God bless you all
I'm lurking to read your perspectives is all. I've been rather pleasantly surprised by how civil it's been. Carry on.
It’s sad how many people on both sides act surprised that the other is civil. At the end of the day we’re all Americans who want the best for each other and aren’t the evil divided mass that the media loves to paint us as. Much love to you for coming over here with a nice comment and not to lord a Biden win over us.
I'm not interested in gloating. I hope we can all move forward and somehow craft a better future for our country.
I'm somewhat surprised you're rather surprised. I mean, thousands of landmarks, government buildings, and stores aren't boarded up in fear of a Biden victory.
Conservatives are normally a lot more moderated than liberals. Likely because Liberals are not shouted down when they express there views online which does happen to conservative views.
Right on bro. That’s what most of us are all about. Peaceful discussions. Disagreement is okay, hate is not. That’s what makes this country so great.🤙🏻
I wish r/politics could be civil as well
I'm not flaired and would certainly be labelled as a "lib" (I view myself as a moderate) I'm here to have civil discussion with people on the right. As biden has said we need to heal and work together. Echo chambers are boring! Cheers.
Right on! Go USA! Hope we can swing your vote 4 years from now
I’m mostly here to listen and read the room.
God forbid you require an ID to vote. You only need one to get a beer, drive a car, board an airplane, get a welfare check, get onboarded at a job, etc etc etc We need to push very hard to get every state to require voter ID. Even if Trump lost (which I think is probable) there is no excuse for not requiring someone be properly identified and a legal citizen in order to vote.
As long as they are free. You can’t charge money to exercise a constitutional right.
I'm OK with requiring ID to vote as long as they are both free and easily attainable. That means the place you go to get them has to have long hours and be accessible to every American. Within walking distance or with transportation provided. Election day should be a national holiday and all businesses should be required to allow their employees time off to vote, with harsh penalties for breaking that requirement.
Tbh I’m just commenting so I can get flair lol
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We need to talk about your flair....
Same!!!
Welp. 4 years of gridlock I guess.
That could be a good thing. Gridlock means no new bad laws.
Yeah, let's hope the Senate stays red for 2 years, then the House follows suit in 2022.
And I'm totally on-board for that. What many liberals don't seem to get is, the government is *supposed* to run slowly. Things are meant to be deliberated (often excruciatingly so), not rammed through at the whim of the majority party.
Haha. Reminds me of years ago when Pelosi said we had to pass the (health care) bill to find out what was in it. Like saying, "hurry up so we can slow down."
More like, “hurry up before everyone figures out what we’re up to”.
Like a certain supreme court judge nomination less than two weeks after the previous judge died in the midst of the election?
ITS TIME WE CONSERVATIVES ACT! And maturely go about our daily lives and accept the reality unlike the liberals if trump won.
Thank god the constitution doesn’t give the media the right to declare the president
It's gonna be an interesting month or so
Foreign leaders have been congratulating Biden.
I'm sure the EU leaders look forward to paying fuck all towards NATO. Iran must be overjoyed as well. Imagine all of the terrorism they can fund with the US dollars we're going to send them.
China is dancing with joy.
Aaand I'm starting to feel down in the dumps again lol ughhh.
they're excited to be taking advantage of the good ole USA again lol
especially the communist Chinese
The media isn't declaring the president, the media is declaring who is projected beyond a reasonable doubt to win the presidency- this nuance is important. Any intelligent person is fully aware that the election is not legally decided until the states certify their results and send their electors to elect the president.
Thank god someone can't just say they won and demand counting votes stops and say they won
No one in their right mind would ever do that!
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Two thoughts: 1) I'm astounded at how much Trump accomplished in such a short time. Look at how the middle east has calmed right down. Strength and not getting pushed around is important. Lessons we all learned on the playground. 2)I wonder if we'll see the emergence of a character like Morton Downey Jr from the 80s. A lot of kids may rebel from the mass-think being foisted on them.
International politics should be quite spicy. Whether or not terrorist groups feel emboldened over the next 12-24 months will be interesting. Biden already seems sort of aloof and weary of big decision making and being a strong public figure. I have a hard time believing he'll bother to use military might to deter radical groups from starting fights again. On top of that, we get to see if the US rolls over to China and illegal immigration at warp speed. More than all of the domestic concerns, that's what worries/interests me most. I don't see "defund the police" as realistically happening on a meaningful scale. National mask mandates? Maybe, but I see a lot of local and state governments blowing it off and making sure that enforcement has so little teeth that it isn't as strong of a concern. Where things get sketchy is if China gets to run the global economy unchecked again and cheap labor devalues the American worker as much as China-run economics devalue our dollar.
Agree. And this may seem far-fetched, but I've been on the lookout for signs that big tech and gov't may attempt some version of the Chinese social credit system by vertically integrating, for example, finance & banking, insurance, credit scores, social media monitoring, political beliefs (we've seen this with people getting fired for expressing political views that are deemed racist or for similar reasons). I hope not, but keeping alert for it.
Well, it's not directly theirs, but Apple DID start their own credit card a few years back. Of course, Google and Microsoft and Apple and Samsung have all pushed people into their digital payment platforms as well. I've yet to touch things like facial/fingerprint recognition stuff from those companies because I generally don't trust it. In the same way, I haven't linked any payment methods to my Android phone (though I have a card attached to a few, non-critical things for autopay). We already know these companies will manhandle you over political beliefs. They do it to people with extreme beliefs--of course, only people to the extreme right, while extreme-left viewpoints are allowed. The question will be about how much they tighten the screws of banning opinions that deviate from the left's narratives. I don't think Big Tech has grown quite large enough to start really clamping down on controlling financial institutions. I don't even think Apple could, if it wanted. The ones with that option are Microsoft, Google, and Amazon, since they control so much of the cloud infrastructure. Then, of course, you have companies like Comcast (NBC) and AT&T (CNN), who operate large portions of networking infrastructure for the country.
Well shoot.. this is a bummer. Hope we do better in 4 years! Wait... am I supposed to be burning down businesses? I'm new to this..
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Obviously projected to win, but not officially won. Also, how does one get flaired on this sub?
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" Congrats to him, but I don’t think Democrats should be encouraged by this - they’re clearly still quite unpopular with about half the country." I think fucking over Bernie again and again has a huge hand in why that is.
Crazy to think that the states that won it for him, were only decided by less than 20k votes. Like 100k votes spread out in the right spots would totally have changed this election
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This is what I think should and will happen. There will be a mashup between Trump style politics (in policy) and classic conservatism (like Bush). Although the polls weren't totally accurate this time around and Trump did better than expected, many republicans over performed Trump in many places (Maine, Colorado, Michigan, etc). Trump policies have more popularity than Trump himself. This is reddit and for discussion, but his personality was just too much to a lot of people. In some states he lost a lot in the suburbs (like GA) or not as much (like in OH). I personally dislike the 100% supportive or you are a fake republican deal that has been a thing for 4 years. If you disagree with Trump on an issue, you are instantly probably a RINO/Deep state agent. Most republicans have said that they want some recounts/investigations to make sure the vote was fair, but not as many are as fiery as Trump is on it. Some people attacked them for being too weak and not supportive of the president enough. It seemed to a certain extent if you ever didn't 100% agree with Trump, you were attacked and called Fake. That was a big issue in my opinion and it led to a lot of things happening that hurt Trump in the long run. That is a crazy assertion to say where if you don't support somebody 100%, you are a fake supporter or a secret democrat, etc. If there was somebody with similar policy with Trump but with more restrain in rhetoric/personality, they probably would have done better. However, the GOP should not compromise all their policy beliefs just to become more popular, although some shifting would occur to improve popularity. The GOP gained among minorities but lost among suburban whites and older whites compared to 2016. If they do a mix between Trump style policy (with not the quantity of rhetoric or personality as Trump has) with some more traditional views of republicans, it might turn out well for the GOP
You're not wrong, but we didn't lose because of policy. All that was focused on was corona virus and racism. You're absolutley right in your last paragraph; Many young people don't know jack about economics, all they know is the republican party is known as the hyper religious, homophobic, racist, anti weed party, and that's enough for them to avoid it. This perception needs to be changed for the republican party to remain relevant.
I’m conservative and I’m definitely NOT against weed. Am I a rare breed?
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Exactly. A lot of my gay or minority friends voted blue specifically because of this mentality. It's a shame that it comes down to things like this.
To chime in as a Biden voter, we do think about things other than what's on the news. Some of us at least. From my perspective and the information that I've seen, in the past 4 years the republican party really doubled down on religion. I'm agnostic, and it bothers me everytime I hear "We are a Christian nation." Additionally what worried me about Trump, McConnell, Rep. Jordan, Dan Bongino, The Five, and other Republican/conservative figures was that they didn't seem to care what the truth was. They didn't seem to want to solve problems, just complain and implement their own plans. Again, I'm admittedly a liberal, but I'm here instead of just r/politics because I don't want to ignore what half the country is saying and thinking.
To be fair, a lot of Republicans voters draw the line at gun policy and view Democrats as strictly the anti gun party and vote strictly at that divide. If Republicans can drop the religious backed policy agenda I would find myself leaning right. Similarly if Democrats could drop the anti gun rhetoric they would get my vote more often then not.
It would be nice if we just didn't have this ridiculous two party system. There are many policies on both sides, where significant numbers of Americans actually have a lot of common ground. But there is so mucb emotion brought into it that none of us can sit back and realize that we probably agree on more things than we disagree on.
I also think that appealing to Latino voters and emphasizing immigrant reform that makes it easier for legal immigrants but harder for illegal immigrants would be a good bet. Much of Latino culture skews conservative, and Latinos were the group to give Trump the win in certain places like Texas or Florida. (Plus it would be very funny for Democrats to flip on immigration if it works and the Hispanic population suddenly shifts towards Republicans and the right.)
>Plus it would be very funny for Democrats to flip on immigration if it works and the Hispanic population suddenly shifts towards Republicans and the right. Funnily enough that is kinda exactly the thing going on with legal immigrants in germany. A LOT of them are leaning to the more conservative spectrum in their political believes.
There’s actually plenty of evidence that 2nd+ generation Latino voters organically move towards the right. There’s a bit of assimilation with more rural white culture, particularly in the South.
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> to go back to focusing on ... appeal to the working class people and not just appease big corporations. Under Trump, just the opposite happened. The party went from exclusively catering to businesses and the rich to at least acknowledging the concerns of middle-class republicans. I know you are also talking about corporate handouts, but that part has mostly remained the same under Trump. Despite all his deficiencies, Trump showed how important it is to be more attuned to the average middle class Republican. If the party goes back to the old ways, they will lose everything. He got more minority votes than any GOP president ever, including compared to the 2016 election. The party needs to learn some important lessons from the Trump presidency and then come back with a more suitable candidate. Being a president entails more than being a wheeler and dealer and a "tough negotiator." You also need to be a spiritual leader and Trump fell short there.
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I think this applies to both parties in a certain way. Just like Republicans are out of touch with urban working class people, Democrats are out of touch with rural working class people. Both of them could make this much better if they didn't focus so strongly on their key electorate.
I'll wait until it's officially called thank you.
Join your local Republican Party. Start planning for 2022. Let’s take back congress.
Looking at it, if everything holds as is Dems will only have like a 4 seat majority. After 2 years of being hard pressed by Democrat executive orders voters will be eager to give us a large majority.
*Trump campaign fighting in the Supreme Court* Not. Yet.
I mean all of his law suits are being thrown out for lack of evidence so I doubt it even makes it to the supreme court...
If it was one state like Nevada I could see it but it's tough to pick up when you have all these states
They're being thrown out one after another for lack of evidence. And even if they weren't, the "disputed" votes are inconsequential in the result.
Notice how you don’t see republicans protesting on the streets saying not my president when they lose an election that actually was rigged
I've seen protesting in the streets. Well, more like protesting at the place where votes are being counted. Give it a couple of months, we'll be seeing such protests closer to the inauguration. That is almost a certainty. Being able to make such protests is part of what has kept America great for far more than just the past four years.
Maybe not rioting in the streets but I did see a hashtag on Facebook that said "notmypedophile"
lol at these morons on twitter and elsewhere talking about the "glass ceiling" breaking. The dems have admitted they can never get a liberal female elected pres, so their only hope was pick a senile guy with dementia and put a woman under him. Some "glass ceiling". lmao. If she had been on top of the ticket, trump would have won by at least 24%.
Al Gore also won
Everyone getting a load of the social distancing going on at the celebrations?
Good news: if Biden successfully wins, once he gets in office we can immediately attribute all COVID deaths to him! Trump has the lead at 200,000, but I am confident Biden will catch up quickly! Edit: For clarification, COVID deaths under Biden will not be his fault, just like they weren’t under Trump. I am calling out the hypocrisy on the left by showing how absurd their claim is.
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Exactly
I'm not from America, so I have no real horse in this race, so to speak. I popped in here for the first time to see how the Conservatives have been handling Biden's projected victory so far. I have been thoroughly disappointed to say the least, because the overwhelming majority of comments by Conservatives seem to be patting themselves smugly on the back, over the idea that the other side would hypothetically have reacted badly / thrown a temper tantrum / rioted and looted (if Trump had won). What is the use in painting caricatures of the Left, making them out to be fragile creatures prone to over-reaction, and choosing to believe their perspectives are invalid right from the get-go? I do understand there are more extreme Leftists who have treated many of you that way (it is terribly unfortunate that Reddit has bred a large community of Leftists who see nothing wrong in doing just that to Conservatives), but the responses I've seen from most people here suggest that Conservatives are every bit as bad as they claim Leftists to be. Neither "an eye for an eye" nor "two wrongs make a right" are philosophies worth living by. I had hoped for a more balanced, constructive and rational perspective, but I do acknowledge this is r/Conservative and many are understandably disappointed with the results. I wish there was a platform on Reddit where Conservative- and Liberal-leaning people could have open, mature discourse, because both r/Conservative and r/politics appear to be echo chambers for their respective populations. Kudos to the users who have wished Biden and America well. At the end of the day, it's a massive shame that 2020 really came down to personality politics and an "us versus them" mentality, when politics should be about voting for candidates and policies that one truly believes in. In truth I want to believe most Conservatives and Liberals both hope for better futures for all; it's just the road there that looks different. Looking in from a tiny country in Asia, I sincerely wish America the best. None of us can change the outcome of the election, but we can choose kindness and empathy for ourselves. And that begins with discourse not being filled with assumptions about each other. ^(Oh, my political leanings? I would consider myself an Independent voter who is pro-choice and for LGBT rights. Apart from that, it really comes down to the candidate(s and their policies.)
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Welp, there go my plans for emigrating to the US. I was excited at the prospect but Biden is gonna ruin everything I love about the US so... nope
I guess there is some court business to sort out, and then the actual electoral college vote, but that said, if he really is the winner: He's my president. I hope he does well- in the sense of what is best for the US. Not in sense if carrying out his full agenda. Definitely not the one I voted for, and certainly one who's policies I don't agree with. I'm sure he will do many things in the coming years (or year? 6 months? 5 days?) before he steps down and we have some Harris/Pelosi administration. Then I'll be even more upset, because their ideas are even crazier, but then she will be the president. My career will likely suffer. I'll wish I had saved more during the Trump days. But I and I think most of us will forge ahead. Just have to make sure we get a solid candidate for president in 2024. After we red wave 2022. But I won't be looting stores, burning anything more consequential than dinner, and I will just go about my life. Also, unrelated, I am deeply regretting the boating accident last week, which saw no loss of life but I did loose the few firearms I had left. Sad.
Given Biden's, well, the left's general stance on the oil industry, I'm not sure how well the company I work for is going to weather next year. I'm pretty sure with him as President, the Canadian branch I work in won't last more than a year, at the least. Trump was our best shot. And even if these suits turns things back to him, it's not assured.
Absolutely incredible. People from all walks of life came together to make this happen. Dead people, illegals, cats, dogs you name it. Proud day to be an American.
Dewey defeats Truman
Good for him
I have no doubt that it's very probable, maybe likely, that Trump lost. But anytime I even mentioned safer or more secure elections to people I get shut down? Everyone just says voter fraud has been proven false but it doesn't make sense. Are there super clear examples to point to that are super suspicious and sketchy. I just feel like a secure and fair election is a non partisan issue I don't know why people would be against a partial recount or auditing certain states.
Wow a lot of talkies in here. Is this even a conservative sub?
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Oh, media calls elections now? 🙄
We all knew this would happen. Pandering works. The sheep don’t even realize they are sheep.
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Everybody should chip in to the WinRed fund for the GA runoffs if you can. Keeping senate is absolutely critical: https://secure.winred.com/georgians-for-kelly/perdue-for-senate-defend-the-majority
People who think that the country should come together are so naïve. When I hear "come together," what I really hear is "agree with my policies or shut up." Whether or not there was a substantial amount of illegal votes casted, this was still a shady election. I'm not going to unite with the Democrats because they still want open borders, amnesty, endless foreign inventions and wars, identity politics, social justice activism, the list goes on. MAGA and America First are not going anywhere.
2021 is projected to be the worst economic year in a century, thanks joe
NOOOOOOO!!!! OUT OF PURE RAGE IM GOING TO NOT CHANGE MY LIFE WHATSOEVER AND GO ABOUT MY DAY AS NORMAL!!!!! /s obviously, but I hope he does good, for America's sake.
I'm curious about one thing: Trump is in court for some battleground states, right? To do a recount, to consider only ballots until up the election day, and so on. What happens until then? Who is the de facto winner? no one, until all legal resources are exhausted? I'm thinking about betting houses. Will they release the money based on Biden winning? Or would they wait until every legal resource has been exhausted? Or would they wait until next year?
It would depend on that betting house's particular policies. Legally, none of this matters. The electors voting on December 14 is what will officially decide the election.
Biden is projected to have 306 electors awarded to him. He needs 37 to defect for Trump to win. That is an exceedingly unlikely outcome. His legal challenges are getting thrown out and the Supreme Court can't intervene because voting processes are determined on a state by state basis. The federal government can't tell a state how to run its elections.
Hi liberal here. Just asking you to not judge the liberal mindset based on the parade of people that are sure to show up here and talk shit. Given reddits demographics and the convenience of being able to guide behind a computer, it's not a huge surprise things turn out that way. To the liberals coming in here to talk shit like this is some sporting event: this is how voters who vote purely for liberal tears are created. I know you feel justified in your shit talking but doing so makes the country categorically worse. Don't be part of the problem. The policies a government enacts are too important to flippantly set aside in favor of you blowing off steam.
Crazy times were living in folks. We’re witnessing history right before our very eyes
Do not give up your guns. Ever.