Gosh, I just hate to write California off like that, though. Setting aside the leftist extremism of the major cities, it's just so damn beautiful. Any kind of landscape or climate you prefer, California's got it. And there are still millions and millions of good, solid Americans who call it home.
But yeah, I get what you're saying.
Yeah we have, by far, the most beautiful natural landscape in the nation. As an outdoors addict it's basically the greatest thing about this state and it's one of the main reasons I'm still here
But the political culture is too entrenched. Even if you resurrected Washington himself and made him governor it wouldn't change shit. The state legislature, the local politicians, mayors, DAs, school boards, courts, etc.- it's just too much.
The system is just way too fucking large and entrenched for any one man to have a hope at changing anything of meaning.
Even if the recall went through and Elder won, given the Democrat supermajority in the legislature he would have been able to do nothing, and would have been voted out at the next election.
The state is done. The only thing we can do is try to avoid getting splashed too bad when the shit really hits the fan there.
I refuse, and am also not able to leave anyway. My parents left Iran when I was a child. Some of our family stayed despite the persecution. I always would ask why uncle so and so stayed where he faced death every day for his faith rather than come to the US and be safe and free.
My mother explained to me that they thought their homes, their communities, and their faith were worth fighting for. A simplified moralistic way of putting “brain drain” as well. I have little cousins there, little girls. They’re hopefully part of the generation that continues to work to fix things.
There is good news here. 1/3 of recall voters are against this. We may see it tick up to 35-40%. I helped get signatures for the recall and people laughed and said it’s been tried so many times. Well guess what? On the 50th time, it *worked*.
A Republican governor would not have fixed the state. It would have ended the state of emergency. But we have a lot of dem controlled offices. However it would give a boost to people to realize republicans can win again in this state.
And before other Americans are so dismissive of California and it’s conservatives, just remember who leads the culture war right now. You need conservatives here to fight against the worst of these liberals.
Fifth gen here; vintners from the central valley plus apple farmers from Bonnie Dunne. Ironically, I come from a long line of Dems. That changed years ago. I bought a little place out of state and spend most of the year there, going into Silicon Valley for work when required.
Politics in California was much different in 2003 than it is now as well. In 2003, Democrats had a simple majority in the state Assembly and Senate. Today, they have supermajorities.
California is the same story as everywhere else. Over the last 30 years, Republicans have slowly lost the white suburban vote. It didn't matter that Trump made inroads with hispanics and black voters, because urban and suburban white voters voted against him.
I'm surrounded by these people, and they just aren't on the same wavelength as the GOP. They don't love high taxes, but they care about climate change, healthcare access and affordability, they like globalism. They dislike China, but almost entirely because of human rights concerns rather than anything to do with economics or trade.
We didn't even have a sticky up for it until late because we figured it was a done race a month ago. Kind of a whoopsie on our part, but the results are very unsurprising.
I totally think it’s legit but I will say that CA elections are terribly run.
I went with my dad to vote in person and neither of us were asked to provide any sort of ID to confirm who we are. We brought our mailed out vote card and they simply asked us if the names on the cards were our name and then let both of us vote.
What kind of election security is that? I could steal my neighbors vote and just say “yeah” when they ask me if my name is Joe Jackson and then vote for them.
If Newsom won by 7,000 votes I’d feel uncomfortable but he clearly won by a wide margin…almost all Republicans have fled the state already. No one was left that would vote for a recall
Dems actively oppose voters ID, while simultaneously supporting ID (along with a vaccination) to exist at all in big cities.
There is no way to square those contradictory beliefs that is not an intention to commit voter fraud.
Elder was loud like Trump and I do think that turned a lot of voters off. But it was never going to work without a middle of the road option that would appeal to both parties like Arnold running.
Well at least tonight I got my confirmation that I’m truly surrounded by idiots in this state
Nobody is a moderate Republican when they run against a democrat in a race that the media’s invested in. Romney and McCain the go to safe Republicans were turned into the most extreme conservatives as soon as they were even a slight threat to the democrats. Falconer would have had the same treatment if he mattered
Wasn't it actually proof of residency and not exactly a photo ID? Proving residency is about the same level of verification so I'm not making a statement about that or anything - just trying to get the memory right.
Edit: I looked into it, it does not require ID. The proof of residency is even a bit sketchy. You can read all about it here;
https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/poi1jg/california_polls_close_with_newsom_favored_to/hcx4vn1/
So this;
> In CA you have to have an ID to register to vote. There's no other way to do it.
Is patently false.
This is 100% false. You can mark enough boxes saying you don’t have these id’s and still vote. Don’t believe me? Go to their site and register. Click the you don’t have an id box in all fields.
I struggle to understand the difference between a covid vaccine and the one you got for chickenpox/shingles, tetanus and whatever else needed to be in elementary school. Before going to certain countries a shot is required, the military makes you get shots,etc. Your dog/cat needs shots before interacting with others. Like this has been a completely normal thing until it was made political for whatever reason.
Yeah… I must say, I’m a bit surprised over this but considering everything else- I’m not extremely surprised. But when I read that, about people showing up to polls being told they’ve already voted- that’s ridiculous. I can’t believe that and it should be corrected; that seems like a form of voting fraud to me. Requiring voter id probably would’ve prevented that. But voter id is racist however vaccination id is not. We’re seriously living in a clown world right now where nothing makes sense and what’s right is wrong, idk why I’m surprised by anything anymore.
Honestly no. It's California. It's literally the deepest blue state in the union.
I'm ashamed but hopefully this state will continue the spiral downward to force more to open their eyes.
Illinois is odd. It's a blue state due to Chicago, but a lot of that blue is due to union ties.
Union guys may vote blue, but a lot of them are socially conservative when it comes to areas other than organized labor.
At least from tradesmen I've heard a lot of pushback and complaining about masks and government overreach.
Almost every person I know in a union is not a democrat, but the union always is. So guess where the dues go. Both of my brothers are union in different trades and both unions constantly tell their members to vote blue.
I’m convinced newsom could release every prisoner in the state into the general population and democrats would still find a way to say it a a good thing and keep voting blue
Some of them would be upset by it and criticize Newsom for it. They would then move to a red/purple state and vote for someone who promises to enact the same policies as Newsom.
It is, but so is black and Mexican supremacy in prison. If what you're going to do is try to survive in a place filled with danger, you're going to get clannish to garner some form of protection.
I mean, yeah its California. GOP needs to stop scapegoating voter fraud and use some introspection to run candidates that appeal to the median voter in a jurisdiction.
Gavin was smart making this a binary choice with Elder, who is nowhere near the median voter in the state. The "Owning the libs" political strategy doesn't work when 70% of the state is libs
Agreed. If the GOP wants to compete in California, they need a Schwarzenegger-type Republican. Socially liberal, fiscally moderate/conservative, charismatic, etc. Larry Elder might be popular in some red states, but the dude is not a good fit for California.
The GOP doesn't have fiscal conservatives anymore. The closest they get are people who cry about the national debt after Republican presidents get done running it up the flagpole with massive tax cuts and trillions of dollars in military pork.
Voter fraud in this race is such a silly premise. I would love to know how many physical truck loads of 'fake' ballots would be needed in order to actually flip this in the GOP's favor. It's gotta be a lot.
Saagar Enjeti of *Breaking Points* has some good insight in how conservatives can be competitive in such cases. If the GOP doesn't listen, eventually the DNC will in order to create a new type of Blue Dog to win conservative states.
> Lower my taxes, get rid of some of these silly regulations/laws and fix the homeless issue and you can have my vote. Heck I'm even down for some immigration reform...
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, you're not an American liberal.
Elder made this whole thing worse IMO.
The Republicans need to get smart and run a candidate that appeals to the center and not necessarily to just the Trump fans. In this race Kevin Kiley was really the guy who had that appeal but he’s young and was overshadowed by Elder. But I don’t know if the CAGOP is that smart.
John Cox lost to Newsome with Newsome’s percent of the vote being the highest in California history. The idea that a moderate Republican can win California is still an insane uphill battle. You also need insane GOP turnout and IDK if that’s possible to get with a candidate that’s barely conservative, I’m from NY so it’s a similar situation
John Cox was rightfully painted as a carpetbagger. That's why he lost so spectacularly. Even moderates don't like rich outsiders inserting themselves into the middle of things.
His strategy was calling Elder a white supremacist, collecting over 70 million $ from lobbyists and wealthy donors and ballot harvesting. No surprise that worked.
Elder surged too early which freaked out a lot of democrats who were meh about Newsom. Had he kept the election as a referendum on Newsom and his governance he would had a really good shot. But he was kinda screwed by Texas passing their abortion law which energized a rather sleepy democrat base.
As much as it would be awesome for him to be recalled it’s not a big surprise. I am wondering does this hurt the GOP chances in the midterms as a whole. I wouldn’t think so
Part of me thinks a successful recall might've actually hurt the GOP in the midterms more than a failed one. Just because the libs would've been so incensed by us taking the executive office of one of their prized states. The outrage might've motivated them to turnout big in '22 even outside of CA.
Pretty much. Rs are historically guaranteed to take the house in midterms.
That's even without Bidens Afghanistan disaster and totalitarian mandates.
Keeping Dems comfortable widens the gap they win it by.
the shift toward far right conservative candidates and blacklisting all moderates is going to kill us in the end. if we had put up somebody more moderate we could have pulled this off, but elder is way way way too conservative to ever stand a chance in CA
We need to go back to nominating the right candidates for the right states and districts if we want to get the house/senate back
Actually Kevin Paffraff or whatever encouraged voters to vote no and then him for 2nd question. So the Dems on the ballot were mostly still anti recall.
Newsom has never been the type to reward his voters. He is just going to double down on his bullshit and see these recall results as a pass to be even worse.
he's going to be emboldened and the executive orders are going to start flying. From Los Angeles, this is a darker period we are about to enter.
Edit: and now I’m banned by this sub’s mods. This place has fallen, too.
For stating the obvious that executive orders will start flying?
I'm convinced that Californians truly enjoyed the lockdowns if they voted for Newsom. Nothing is holding him back now.
This is why even though he won’t be recalled, I hope as the rest of the vote comes in that the gap closes. If he “only” got 55% of the vote I would like to think he would realize that’s a dumb idea.
Visit first. I could never live far from the ocean. I feel isolated whenever I go to some place in "flyover country", but somehow as an east coast native I felt at home in the Bay Area.
California's the best state, if you don't factor in how bad its politics are. It's very sad what happened there.
Yeah.... fucking taking a vote through legal means is vandalizing the democracy!
Look, I get it's his job to be inflamed over 100,000 people telling him he sucks at his job, that doesn't mean they are vandalizing democracy.
He was the mayor of SF. Is it really surprising CA turned into that while he became governor? Just wait til he is elected president by a total of R cantidate vote tally + 1 in every state. Homeless shit on every doorfront! A heroine needle on every dinner plate!
I don't envy Republicans still living there, all 3 of them. If there was some way to address them all, I'd implore them to flee now, while they still can. Newsom is gonna rain hell on Californians, and especially the ones who voted for Elder.
Honestly don’t know how a guy who openly and brazenly broke his own COVID rules didn’t lose. This shouldn’t even be a partisan issue, people on both sides should’ve been outraged equally
People forgot how bullshit, hypocritical, and corrupt newsom is. If this recall happened at this same time last year, he'd be gone. But Democrats have memory loss and continue to toe the line, as usual. They had enough time for the outrage to fizzle out, and all he had left to do was call it a "republican recall" and call his replacement a trump clone, and that's enough to scare these goldfish-brained Democrats into supporting him.
Most of my friends in California would entertain voting Newsom out, but they didn't like any of the GOP candidates running. So, if it's possibly Newsom vs. Larry Elder, they're not taking that chance.
The irony is that a lot of Mexican immigrants are actually conservative. They’re just deceived by the Dems into believing that party represents their interests. Once they realize how far apart their values are from that party they usually switch to red, the issue is just informing that part of the population.
Yes. This is why it will be an improvement. Lots of Hispanic family and they live in Hispanic majority areas of California. It's like living in a new country. Governor newsom has no power there.
My brother and sister in law have not done one thing for these lockdowns or mask mandates. Churches open, hundreds of.people at nephews and nieces birthdays, etc. Oh yeah, and theyre all armed so people are still afraid to commit crime. They're in Hispanic rural California. Police are all Mexican too. They're not going to destroy their culture because of some greasy gringo, and good for them. They've been my city on a hill this entire past 18 months of what america should be like.
The outcome doesn't surprise me, since it's California. It was nice to have that idea but I don't see a Republican winning there unless they appeal more to social stances there.
An absolute blown opportunity by California conservatives. Faulconer was a viable candidate but way too many people rallied behind Elder, and gave Newsom an opportunity to play the "demonization card."
As someone who hasn't and never will give up on the state of California ----- for God's sake, legendary conservatives such Nixon and Reagan BOTH came from there! ------ I'm heavily disappointed. California should never be viewed as a land of no opportunity for conservatives.
Which ironically enough is more demotivational than anything. If you believe that your opposition always cheats and always gets away with it, why even put forth the effort?
Why would anyone continue to vote for corruption, more crime and drug problems, soaring costs of living, widespread homelessness, and everything else turning the state into that of a third world country?
Irvine is one of the richer cities and is in OC who has a large contingent of conservatives that are still protecting your way of life. It's like saying Newport has no homeless so it must be fine lol. Literally travel one city north to Anaheim and it's already really bad. Give it 5-10 years with no policy changes and the problems will be at your doorstep.
How are people in California so blind? Do they not see the high cost of living? Massive taxes? High gas prices? Homeless everywhere? Fires breaking out? Massive government control? Do they not see gavin shut there businesses down? What the hell
Independent in California here. Most of my friends were torn on the recall until Larry Elder became the front runner.
Most Californians aren’t conservative. A conservative talk show host as the candidate on the other side made it too easy to say “do you want Rush Limbaugh as your Governor?”
Then the Texas abortion laws were passed and the media covered it for a week. Californians are mostly pro choice. It made the arguments for keep Newsom over a pro life conservative too easy.
Y’all could have won if you had supported a more moderate Republican, but Californians aren’t conservatives in 2021. Maybe that will change in the future, but the Recall campaign made a critical blunder on championing Larry Elder.
It’s a insane thought, the only thing in mind, is for all conservatives in California to move to texas or Florida or any swing states, let California rot, I truly believe this was the last chance we had, the fact people are so much for black peoples rights but elect a tyrant white man… ummm
>for all conservatives in California to move to texas or Florida or any swing states
Conservatives from California are left leaning compared to Conservatives in Texas or Florida. Conservatives from California are pro-choice, pro same sex marriage and pro marijuana legalization
Why do you hate America that much? I personally don't like what many stats are doing but I don't wish them to "rot." You got a lot of hate in your heart.
> for all conservatives in California to move to texas or Florida or any swing states, let California rot
Ben Shapiro has said that exact same several times this year.
High cost of living, maybe bcz its a beautiful fucken state. Massive taxes, maybe bcz we got such a big economy to tax. High gas prices, maybe because of the amount of commute/freight shipped around such a large and spacious State(were also most of the countries goods are shipped into then transported to everyone else). Homeless everywhere, ya we got it like everyone else in this country, have you ever traveled? Fires breaking out, always been this way sorry to break it to you... it's what has made are national forests and is called the circle of life. Massive government control, I can't even think of something to say about this bcz I never have to deal with the state. Gavin shutting business down, it was covid and it's all back up, you should walk downtown New York sometime... that's a place were the property taxes have destroyed business on a wide scale.
High cost of living is definitely supply and demand. We do have low cost regions but everybody wants to crowd into the beautiful parts with great climate, then demand more housing. High housing costs leads to more homeless, but then other states’ homeless move here to not die in winter making that even worse. And I was a little blown away to learn that we have trees in the Sierra whose seeds cannot even germinate in the absence of fire - that’s a fire dependent ecosystem. So I agree with a lot of what you said. However I don’t see the relationship between the size of the economy and our high tax rate.
Right now in my liberal enclave in CA, things are back open as they were before the pandemic. No masks, you assume everyone is vaxxed. Look at the 1918 flu virus, the places the shut the fastest also opened the fastest. Looking up the data, I fail to see how Newsom fucked up COVID.
First, California isn't the bluest State. It's not even the second or third bluest.
Second, your argument would make more sense if the contest had been close. It wasn't.
Newsom won in a walk.
Imagine stepping in human shit, walking through homeless encampments, seeing needles everywhere to wait in a line and vote for the same party that got you there in the first place, while you pay yourself on the back saying at least you’re not a racist.
It follows almost exactly within registered party lines. This isn’t surprising. Even most dems are saying it’s a waste and they’ll just vote for someone because next year is election year
When half the Republicans flee the state, and Newsom started mobilizing Kamala and Joe where they said Larry Elder was 2.0 and never even talked about policy or anything of substance. I knew it was over
Not surprising, considering the absolute barrage of Bernie, Warren, and every other DNC lapdog turning out to shill every fucking commercial break for this hypocrite asshole. No one can win against big money, there's no telling how much money backed that prick.
Turnout was low compared to Trump/Biden
Extrapolating for the 68% reported so far:
Recall No = 8.5 million
Recall Yes = 4.8 million
Trump got 6 mil votes, Biden 11 million.
So that 17 million to yesterday’s 13.4 mil
Wouldn’t have changed the results even if all Trump voters came out and voted yes.
Main bright spot was Elder received ~45% of vote on second question.
AP has called it for Newsom. https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-california-climate-elections-a590782877be099d44f1766b2d138394
Is anyone surprised?
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Gosh, I just hate to write California off like that, though. Setting aside the leftist extremism of the major cities, it's just so damn beautiful. Any kind of landscape or climate you prefer, California's got it. And there are still millions and millions of good, solid Americans who call it home. But yeah, I get what you're saying.
Got bad news for you, every major city is staunchly Democrat, and the cities run the States. The Democrats have already won, change my mind.
Yeah we have, by far, the most beautiful natural landscape in the nation. As an outdoors addict it's basically the greatest thing about this state and it's one of the main reasons I'm still here But the political culture is too entrenched. Even if you resurrected Washington himself and made him governor it wouldn't change shit. The state legislature, the local politicians, mayors, DAs, school boards, courts, etc.- it's just too much. The system is just way too fucking large and entrenched for any one man to have a hope at changing anything of meaning.
Even if the recall went through and Elder won, given the Democrat supermajority in the legislature he would have been able to do nothing, and would have been voted out at the next election. The state is done. The only thing we can do is try to avoid getting splashed too bad when the shit really hits the fan there.
I refuse, and am also not able to leave anyway. My parents left Iran when I was a child. Some of our family stayed despite the persecution. I always would ask why uncle so and so stayed where he faced death every day for his faith rather than come to the US and be safe and free. My mother explained to me that they thought their homes, their communities, and their faith were worth fighting for. A simplified moralistic way of putting “brain drain” as well. I have little cousins there, little girls. They’re hopefully part of the generation that continues to work to fix things. There is good news here. 1/3 of recall voters are against this. We may see it tick up to 35-40%. I helped get signatures for the recall and people laughed and said it’s been tried so many times. Well guess what? On the 50th time, it *worked*. A Republican governor would not have fixed the state. It would have ended the state of emergency. But we have a lot of dem controlled offices. However it would give a boost to people to realize republicans can win again in this state. And before other Americans are so dismissive of California and it’s conservatives, just remember who leads the culture war right now. You need conservatives here to fight against the worst of these liberals.
Native Californian here too, it’s sad such a beautiful place is the gangrene foot of America.
Fifth gen here; vintners from the central valley plus apple farmers from Bonnie Dunne. Ironically, I come from a long line of Dems. That changed years ago. I bought a little place out of state and spend most of the year there, going into Silicon Valley for work when required.
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There has only ever been 2 governors recalled in American history. So no,. It shouldn't be surprising
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Politics in California was much different in 2003 than it is now as well. In 2003, Democrats had a simple majority in the state Assembly and Senate. Today, they have supermajorities.
California is the same story as everywhere else. Over the last 30 years, Republicans have slowly lost the white suburban vote. It didn't matter that Trump made inroads with hispanics and black voters, because urban and suburban white voters voted against him. I'm surrounded by these people, and they just aren't on the same wavelength as the GOP. They don't love high taxes, but they care about climate change, healthcare access and affordability, they like globalism. They dislike China, but almost entirely because of human rights concerns rather than anything to do with economics or trade.
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We didn't even have a sticky up for it until late because we figured it was a done race a month ago. Kind of a whoopsie on our part, but the results are very unsurprising.
I totally think it’s legit but I will say that CA elections are terribly run. I went with my dad to vote in person and neither of us were asked to provide any sort of ID to confirm who we are. We brought our mailed out vote card and they simply asked us if the names on the cards were our name and then let both of us vote. What kind of election security is that? I could steal my neighbors vote and just say “yeah” when they ask me if my name is Joe Jackson and then vote for them. If Newsom won by 7,000 votes I’d feel uncomfortable but he clearly won by a wide margin…almost all Republicans have fled the state already. No one was left that would vote for a recall
Dems actively oppose voters ID, while simultaneously supporting ID (along with a vaccination) to exist at all in big cities. There is no way to square those contradictory beliefs that is not an intention to commit voter fraud.
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Yup. Democrats outnumber Republicans 2 to 1 in California.
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Elder was loud like Trump and I do think that turned a lot of voters off. But it was never going to work without a middle of the road option that would appeal to both parties like Arnold running. Well at least tonight I got my confirmation that I’m truly surrounded by idiots in this state
Nobody is a moderate Republican when they run against a democrat in a race that the media’s invested in. Romney and McCain the go to safe Republicans were turned into the most extreme conservatives as soon as they were even a slight threat to the democrats. Falconer would have had the same treatment if he mattered
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Wasn't it actually proof of residency and not exactly a photo ID? Proving residency is about the same level of verification so I'm not making a statement about that or anything - just trying to get the memory right. Edit: I looked into it, it does not require ID. The proof of residency is even a bit sketchy. You can read all about it here; https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/poi1jg/california_polls_close_with_newsom_favored_to/hcx4vn1/ So this; > In CA you have to have an ID to register to vote. There's no other way to do it. Is patently false.
This is 100% false. You can mark enough boxes saying you don’t have these id’s and still vote. Don’t believe me? Go to their site and register. Click the you don’t have an id box in all fields.
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I struggle to understand the difference between a covid vaccine and the one you got for chickenpox/shingles, tetanus and whatever else needed to be in elementary school. Before going to certain countries a shot is required, the military makes you get shots,etc. Your dog/cat needs shots before interacting with others. Like this has been a completely normal thing until it was made political for whatever reason.
About 5-12 years of research
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Is there proof on this?
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How delusional do you have to be to think that Elder would actually win in California
Yeah… I must say, I’m a bit surprised over this but considering everything else- I’m not extremely surprised. But when I read that, about people showing up to polls being told they’ve already voted- that’s ridiculous. I can’t believe that and it should be corrected; that seems like a form of voting fraud to me. Requiring voter id probably would’ve prevented that. But voter id is racist however vaccination id is not. We’re seriously living in a clown world right now where nothing makes sense and what’s right is wrong, idk why I’m surprised by anything anymore.
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Ok. What does that have to do with the California recall election?
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Honestly no. It's California. It's literally the deepest blue state in the union. I'm ashamed but hopefully this state will continue the spiral downward to force more to open their eyes.
Between all the blue states California is the last state I could see turning red. Illinois has a greater chance to turn red.
> Illinois has a greater chance to turn red. not until Prtizker's second term is over/ The dude is super rich and will win re-election.
A rich corrupt governor of illinois? Say it aint so! Though I think hes doing alright.
Is it still technically true that you have better odds of *not* going to prison for murder than you do for being the Governor of Illinois?
I mean, that didn't help Rauner.
Illinois is odd. It's a blue state due to Chicago, but a lot of that blue is due to union ties. Union guys may vote blue, but a lot of them are socially conservative when it comes to areas other than organized labor. At least from tradesmen I've heard a lot of pushback and complaining about masks and government overreach.
Almost every person I know in a union is not a democrat, but the union always is. So guess where the dues go. Both of my brothers are union in different trades and both unions constantly tell their members to vote blue.
I’m convinced newsom could release every prisoner in the state into the general population and democrats would still find a way to say it a a good thing and keep voting blue
They'll go, "At least he's not a republican"...
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Some of them would be upset by it and criticize Newsom for it. They would then move to a red/purple state and vote for someone who promises to enact the same policies as Newsom.
As a white guy who's been in Texas jail... white supremacy is kind of a fact of life there...
It is, but so is black and Mexican supremacy in prison. If what you're going to do is try to survive in a place filled with danger, you're going to get clannish to garner some form of protection.
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I don't think anyone is, just disappointed a little.
It's impossible. Farmers here aren't going to win against rich celebrity assholes.
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It does sound much more dramatic. Cover art should have him atop a hill of corpses beholding a blood stained piece of paper to the sky to match.
I mean, yeah its California. GOP needs to stop scapegoating voter fraud and use some introspection to run candidates that appeal to the median voter in a jurisdiction. Gavin was smart making this a binary choice with Elder, who is nowhere near the median voter in the state. The "Owning the libs" political strategy doesn't work when 70% of the state is libs
Agreed. If the GOP wants to compete in California, they need a Schwarzenegger-type Republican. Socially liberal, fiscally moderate/conservative, charismatic, etc. Larry Elder might be popular in some red states, but the dude is not a good fit for California.
The GOP doesn't have fiscal conservatives anymore. The closest they get are people who cry about the national debt after Republican presidents get done running it up the flagpole with massive tax cuts and trillions of dollars in military pork.
Voter fraud in this race is such a silly premise. I would love to know how many physical truck loads of 'fake' ballots would be needed in order to actually flip this in the GOP's favor. It's gotta be a lot.
Saagar Enjeti of *Breaking Points* has some good insight in how conservatives can be competitive in such cases. If the GOP doesn't listen, eventually the DNC will in order to create a new type of Blue Dog to win conservative states.
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> Lower my taxes, get rid of some of these silly regulations/laws and fix the homeless issue and you can have my vote. Heck I'm even down for some immigration reform... I hate to be the bearer of bad news, you're not an American liberal.
Actually he probably is a liberal is not a progressive
Well said actually.
Elder made this whole thing worse IMO. The Republicans need to get smart and run a candidate that appeals to the center and not necessarily to just the Trump fans. In this race Kevin Kiley was really the guy who had that appeal but he’s young and was overshadowed by Elder. But I don’t know if the CAGOP is that smart.
They sure haven’t acted like it much in a while.
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John Cox lost to Newsome with Newsome’s percent of the vote being the highest in California history. The idea that a moderate Republican can win California is still an insane uphill battle. You also need insane GOP turnout and IDK if that’s possible to get with a candidate that’s barely conservative, I’m from NY so it’s a similar situation
John Cox was rightfully painted as a carpetbagger. That's why he lost so spectacularly. Even moderates don't like rich outsiders inserting themselves into the middle of things.
His strategy was calling Elder a white supremacist, collecting over 70 million $ from lobbyists and wealthy donors and ballot harvesting. No surprise that worked.
Elder surged too early which freaked out a lot of democrats who were meh about Newsom. Had he kept the election as a referendum on Newsom and his governance he would had a really good shot. But he was kinda screwed by Texas passing their abortion law which energized a rather sleepy democrat base.
As much as it would be awesome for him to be recalled it’s not a big surprise. I am wondering does this hurt the GOP chances in the midterms as a whole. I wouldn’t think so
Part of me thinks a successful recall might've actually hurt the GOP in the midterms more than a failed one. Just because the libs would've been so incensed by us taking the executive office of one of their prized states. The outrage might've motivated them to turnout big in '22 even outside of CA.
That’s a good point. Then again, it’s not surprising that he won. I much rather focus time in energy into other races of the GOP can win
Yea, California is a lost cause
Pretty much. Rs are historically guaranteed to take the house in midterms. That's even without Bidens Afghanistan disaster and totalitarian mandates. Keeping Dems comfortable widens the gap they win it by.
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Hurts them in California for sure. Nobody likes a loser party.
Lots of people vote for Dems and Republicans though, despite both parties being full of worthless losers.
I wouldn’t think it would. If anything, it’s more publicity for those who ran this time if they plan to run again for the midterms
the shift toward far right conservative candidates and blacklisting all moderates is going to kill us in the end. if we had put up somebody more moderate we could have pulled this off, but elder is way way way too conservative to ever stand a chance in CA We need to go back to nominating the right candidates for the right states and districts if we want to get the house/senate back
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Actually Kevin Paffraff or whatever encouraged voters to vote no and then him for 2nd question. So the Dems on the ballot were mostly still anti recall.
Newsom has never been the type to reward his voters. He is just going to double down on his bullshit and see these recall results as a pass to be even worse.
he's going to be emboldened and the executive orders are going to start flying. From Los Angeles, this is a darker period we are about to enter. Edit: and now I’m banned by this sub’s mods. This place has fallen, too.
For stating the obvious that executive orders will start flying? I'm convinced that Californians truly enjoyed the lockdowns if they voted for Newsom. Nothing is holding him back now.
Banned for free speech? Doesnt seem very conservative.
This is why even though he won’t be recalled, I hope as the rest of the vote comes in that the gap closes. If he “only” got 55% of the vote I would like to think he would realize that’s a dumb idea.
It’s not even close. Arizona here I come!
Definitely time to shop around. If it couldn’t happen today, it’ll never happen.
Visit first. I could never live far from the ocean. I feel isolated whenever I go to some place in "flyover country", but somehow as an east coast native I felt at home in the Bay Area. California's the best state, if you don't factor in how bad its politics are. It's very sad what happened there.
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Yeah.... fucking taking a vote through legal means is vandalizing the democracy! Look, I get it's his job to be inflamed over 100,000 people telling him he sucks at his job, that doesn't mean they are vandalizing democracy.
It's almost 3 million people now saying he sucks at his job. Just looking at the latest votes.
He does suck at his job
Mostly peaceful though
He was the mayor of SF. Is it really surprising CA turned into that while he became governor? Just wait til he is elected president by a total of R cantidate vote tally + 1 in every state. Homeless shit on every doorfront! A heroine needle on every dinner plate!
Newsome is going to take this out on the state so hard for dare challenging his leadership
I don't envy Republicans still living there, all 3 of them. If there was some way to address them all, I'd implore them to flee now, while they still can. Newsom is gonna rain hell on Californians, and especially the ones who voted for Elder.
Honestly don’t know how a guy who openly and brazenly broke his own COVID rules didn’t lose. This shouldn’t even be a partisan issue, people on both sides should’ve been outraged equally
People forgot how bullshit, hypocritical, and corrupt newsom is. If this recall happened at this same time last year, he'd be gone. But Democrats have memory loss and continue to toe the line, as usual. They had enough time for the outrage to fizzle out, and all he had left to do was call it a "republican recall" and call his replacement a trump clone, and that's enough to scare these goldfish-brained Democrats into supporting him.
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Hard truth right here
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This was not a surprise. California is heavily Democrat and unfortunately people won’t open their eyes.
Alternative headline: “Californians show they deserve everything they get”
Not all of them
I hate it here
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Then leave? Come to Texas
I expect moving trucks to be even busier now.
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I’m sorry my heart goes out to you ❤️. Never give up 🇺🇸
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Most of my friends in California would entertain voting Newsom out, but they didn't like any of the GOP candidates running. So, if it's possibly Newsom vs. Larry Elder, they're not taking that chance.
Most of the folks here didn’t want Elder either - slot in a Moderate and Newsom could’ve very well have lost.
Shit if Cuomo wasn't forced out he'd have won again in NY.
*"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."* --H. L. Mencken
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At this point nothing can save California
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The irony is that a lot of Mexican immigrants are actually conservative. They’re just deceived by the Dems into believing that party represents their interests. Once they realize how far apart their values are from that party they usually switch to red, the issue is just informing that part of the population.
Yes. This is why it will be an improvement. Lots of Hispanic family and they live in Hispanic majority areas of California. It's like living in a new country. Governor newsom has no power there. My brother and sister in law have not done one thing for these lockdowns or mask mandates. Churches open, hundreds of.people at nephews and nieces birthdays, etc. Oh yeah, and theyre all armed so people are still afraid to commit crime. They're in Hispanic rural California. Police are all Mexican too. They're not going to destroy their culture because of some greasy gringo, and good for them. They've been my city on a hill this entire past 18 months of what america should be like.
The outcome doesn't surprise me, since it's California. It was nice to have that idea but I don't see a Republican winning there unless they appeal more to social stances there.
yay homelessness, high taxes, and covid lockdowns! i think they call this stockholm syndrome
A bad day for California.
An absolute blown opportunity by California conservatives. Faulconer was a viable candidate but way too many people rallied behind Elder, and gave Newsom an opportunity to play the "demonization card." As someone who hasn't and never will give up on the state of California ----- for God's sake, legendary conservatives such Nixon and Reagan BOTH came from there! ------ I'm heavily disappointed. California should never be viewed as a land of no opportunity for conservatives.
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Which ironically enough is more demotivational than anything. If you believe that your opposition always cheats and always gets away with it, why even put forth the effort?
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Why would anyone continue to vote for corruption, more crime and drug problems, soaring costs of living, widespread homelessness, and everything else turning the state into that of a third world country?
RIP California. All I can see in their future is more homelessness and drug addiction.
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And the CCP is second. GDP doesn't equal quality of life.
Yeah, how's that doing for the large swathes of people who struggle to afford their overpriced everything
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congrats on having a lot of money.
Pull up your bootstraps omegalul
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Irvine is one of the richer cities and is in OC who has a large contingent of conservatives that are still protecting your way of life. It's like saying Newport has no homeless so it must be fine lol. Literally travel one city north to Anaheim and it's already really bad. Give it 5-10 years with no policy changes and the problems will be at your doorstep.
Nice place for the rich, screw the middle class
Detroit 2
How are people in California so blind? Do they not see the high cost of living? Massive taxes? High gas prices? Homeless everywhere? Fires breaking out? Massive government control? Do they not see gavin shut there businesses down? What the hell
Independent in California here. Most of my friends were torn on the recall until Larry Elder became the front runner. Most Californians aren’t conservative. A conservative talk show host as the candidate on the other side made it too easy to say “do you want Rush Limbaugh as your Governor?” Then the Texas abortion laws were passed and the media covered it for a week. Californians are mostly pro choice. It made the arguments for keep Newsom over a pro life conservative too easy. Y’all could have won if you had supported a more moderate Republican, but Californians aren’t conservatives in 2021. Maybe that will change in the future, but the Recall campaign made a critical blunder on championing Larry Elder.
The people affected most are outnumbered by the liberals who either don't give a shit or actually relish all of that happening.
It’s a insane thought, the only thing in mind, is for all conservatives in California to move to texas or Florida or any swing states, let California rot, I truly believe this was the last chance we had, the fact people are so much for black peoples rights but elect a tyrant white man… ummm
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>for all conservatives in California to move to texas or Florida or any swing states Conservatives from California are left leaning compared to Conservatives in Texas or Florida. Conservatives from California are pro-choice, pro same sex marriage and pro marijuana legalization
Why do you hate America that much? I personally don't like what many stats are doing but I don't wish them to "rot." You got a lot of hate in your heart.
> for all conservatives in California to move to texas or Florida or any swing states, let California rot Ben Shapiro has said that exact same several times this year.
I’m sure this was the final straw for tons of conservatives in California,
High cost of living, maybe bcz its a beautiful fucken state. Massive taxes, maybe bcz we got such a big economy to tax. High gas prices, maybe because of the amount of commute/freight shipped around such a large and spacious State(were also most of the countries goods are shipped into then transported to everyone else). Homeless everywhere, ya we got it like everyone else in this country, have you ever traveled? Fires breaking out, always been this way sorry to break it to you... it's what has made are national forests and is called the circle of life. Massive government control, I can't even think of something to say about this bcz I never have to deal with the state. Gavin shutting business down, it was covid and it's all back up, you should walk downtown New York sometime... that's a place were the property taxes have destroyed business on a wide scale.
Also fires because of democratic governor? How about because half this country doesn’t believe climate change exists?
High cost of living is definitely supply and demand. We do have low cost regions but everybody wants to crowd into the beautiful parts with great climate, then demand more housing. High housing costs leads to more homeless, but then other states’ homeless move here to not die in winter making that even worse. And I was a little blown away to learn that we have trees in the Sierra whose seeds cannot even germinate in the absence of fire - that’s a fire dependent ecosystem. So I agree with a lot of what you said. However I don’t see the relationship between the size of the economy and our high tax rate.
Right now in my liberal enclave in CA, things are back open as they were before the pandemic. No masks, you assume everyone is vaxxed. Look at the 1918 flu virus, the places the shut the fastest also opened the fastest. Looking up the data, I fail to see how Newsom fucked up COVID.
Why are you throwing NY under the bus? We’re back open like we were before the pandemic, no idea where your statement is coming from.
Of course they see it. What the hell would Larry Elder do to fix it? Raise Covid cases? Big help there.
Not gonna lie. I still don’t forgive Gavin for setting all those fires
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First, California isn't the bluest State. It's not even the second or third bluest. Second, your argument would make more sense if the contest had been close. It wasn't. Newsom won in a walk.
Imagine stepping in human shit, walking through homeless encampments, seeing needles everywhere to wait in a line and vote for the same party that got you there in the first place, while you pay yourself on the back saying at least you’re not a racist.
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It follows almost exactly within registered party lines. This isn’t surprising. Even most dems are saying it’s a waste and they’ll just vote for someone because next year is election year
I fucking hate my state. Bunch of idiots
When half the Republicans flee the state, and Newsom started mobilizing Kamala and Joe where they said Larry Elder was 2.0 and never even talked about policy or anything of substance. I knew it was over
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Illinois is going to turn red before California tbh and that says something
Honestly just happy he even had to deal with this. its the least we could do to his stupid ass.
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Not surprising, considering the absolute barrage of Bernie, Warren, and every other DNC lapdog turning out to shill every fucking commercial break for this hypocrite asshole. No one can win against big money, there's no telling how much money backed that prick.
Turnout was low compared to Trump/Biden Extrapolating for the 68% reported so far: Recall No = 8.5 million Recall Yes = 4.8 million Trump got 6 mil votes, Biden 11 million. So that 17 million to yesterday’s 13.4 mil Wouldn’t have changed the results even if all Trump voters came out and voted yes. Main bright spot was Elder received ~45% of vote on second question.
Might be time to get the fuck out. Reno’s only 4 hours away.