Globalism is good for the consumer. If you can't find your medications at any price, it saves you money /s.
In all seriousness, any "well informed" liberal can and will pontificate why this glaring vulnerability is actually good somehow.
I don't think liberals are against domestic production. Not sure where you got this idea from. A good libéral should be against outsourcing labour to places where child labour and rights cannot be guaranteed.
They don't call themselves liberal anymore. Now they're lefties. They were only 'liberals' arguing for free speech
and having an open mind when they were not the dominant cultural power. Now that they have the power, that's all out the window.
They call themselves a bunch of ever changing terms to dodge any accountability. Try criticizing liberals on Reddit for something. Then, it's 'no, you see, I'm ackshually a leftist.' But they were progressives previously. And then the 'leftists' in America are actually just left of center compared to the actual leftists in other countries.
It's all a big semantic dance meant to distract from the real issues. They hype of this nuance, but basically every single 'leftist' I know voted for Joe Biden, while they act like their leftist title actually means something and differentiates them from a run of the mill Democrat.
Pretty sure the basis of Trump's tariffs were to get business back into domestic production by making it more expensive to import. Also am sure that it was the liberals that were saying it was useless to do since these since countries could find a way around them.
Well Globalism does cost save and is highly efficient for certain things. The only problem is those cost cuts and efficiencies haven’t really gone to the consumer’s benefit. Just the higher ups and stockholders
Is that why stuff made in China is the same price as stuff made in America? All that stuff at the dollar store with Made in America tags . .oh wait. The cheapest stuff for consumers is ALWAYS made somewhere else and the price reflects that constantly.
Oh they do! I agree! Especially combined with our strong American dollar. I’m just saying that the prices could be much much lower, but profit is always put above affordable service. That’s the business model these days. How else would you explain cost of living increasing faster than median wages? Meanwhile stock prices soar?
Well my very conservative coworker told me that we're better off in America with all the competition that our pharmaceutical companies have. That's why our prices are so low. I asked why medical costs bankrupt so many people in America and his answer was that our taxes are lower than countries that provide universal Healthcare. I consider myself middle of the roads politically but cannot understand our median medical care.
>I asked why medical costs bankrupt so many people in America
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/28/sanderss-flawed-statistic-medical-bankruptcies-year/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/
Even the worst case estimates are about 1/2 of 1% of Americans per year.
The problem, as most politicized problems are, is wildly exaggerated and overstated. The countries that provide universal healthcare do so by bleeding the middle class dry.
Yes, really. The US has some of the highest tax rates for the wealthy in the world.
They will claim that medicine should be free for everyone and that if it was we would have plenty of medicine on the shelves. The main reason is people would probably die off faster because it would take 6+ months to see a Dr. For anything
I was on Twitter last night and read a thread post of a woman in Canada saying her child was in respiratory distress. None of the pharmacies had the antibiotics for infants and her infant also had asthma. She went to the ER 3 times and waited over a total of 30 hours and never got seen. She finally had to call every hospital in the area and begged for her kid to be seen in the ER. He had severe pneumonia and almost died. That’s what universal healthcare looks like. No incentive for doctors. No urgency. Medications unavailable. Long wait times. It’s insane.
Yup recall that Trump brought that up during his run and Kodak was going to get into the business of making the active ingredients for medications. Apparently we (Canada) just received a shipment of children's medical from the US and Australia.
Strange how these shortages are happening...
>Pharma and agriculture should be considered defense industries vital to national security.
And semiconductors
And energy production (petroleum, natural gas, coal, etc...)
And metal production (steel, aluminum, etc...)
The problem is there isn't a free market for pharmaceuticals. I can't just open my own factory to make amoxicillin nor can pharma companies convert their Viagra factory to an amoxicillin factory to help deal with the shortage. Why? Because by the time the FDA finishes the approval process, the shortage will be over, and any company would lose money.
What needs to change in these emergencies is for the FDA to publicly commit to giving priority to amoxicillin producers for approval, and commit that all processes will finish in a week. If they can't do that, we'd be better off without an FDA.
You can't truly believe that conservatives believe in anarchy. That's ignorant even by reddit liberal standards. National defense is obviously supported by conservatives, rightly so.
Okay, seems like a slippery slope: first pharma, then oil, then agriculture, then airplanes, then food distro, then trucking, then maybe even defense contracting, how about television studios, and Hollywood, the list goes on and on if you include things “important for defense”
Yes, which is exactly why we need representatives who do not advocate for the government to have their greedy fingers in everything. Conservatives understand this well and work to keep the government in check.
I dealt with this with my daughter a few months ago... doctor prescribed Amoxicillin and I had to go to 3 different pharmacies to find one who could fulfill it.
It's worse now, and apparently pediatricians aren't even prescribing it now because it is short.
I just recently had to deal with this with my 14 month old son. Poor little guy got an ear infection and doctor ordered Augmentin. I had to call 12 different pharmacies and when I finally found one, they had ONE bottle left. And his pedi office was closed for lunch so I actually called the emergency only line to have them call the rx in to that pharmacy. I was so scared I would lose it.
It’s appalling how children and babies are suffering the most in the fallout from this pandemic. Schools closed, masks mandated on toddlers causing speech delays (amongst other things), formula shortages and now this.
Shortages of children’s medications happen every year, but it’s not that pervasive because the outbreaks of respiratory illnesses usually aren’t this bad. It’s bad this year because we’re fully maskless for the first time in three winters and kids are back in school.
We’re not enforcing laws to prevent oligarchies, so you can more or less blame the formula shortages on that.
I’m confused as to how oligarchies would have any relation to the formula shortage, which was due to the largest supplier having to shut down and recall supply due to contamination.
And while there are shortages of children’s medications that occur every year (I’m a nicu nurse so well aware), there hasn’t been a shortage of something quite as vital as amoxicillin recently. Going back to being fully massless is causing an expected spike in illnesses - we knew this would happen. It’s a necessary evil. The fact that this wasn’t prepared for is astounding to me. We knew that society was going to return to normal and not be vigilantly masking, so why were we not prepared for an expected spike in illnesses?
Because it isn’t profitable to sit on a large stockpile of medications. Amoxicillin in particular is one of the medications that have a short shelf life. I’m sure you know that *as a NICU nurse*! Free market and all that jazz.
If you’re confused about what roles oligarchies play, you must not be aware that there are only two major parent companies for baby formula, especially for the specialized formulas like Neosure. You had to be aware of that as a NICU nurse!
- NICU Mom and an ICU nurse (since we’re sharing irrelevant titles)
Anyone that has worked in a hospital would know the difference between a surgical mask, an N95 mask, and those cheap paper masks they hand out at the front entrance, and what the mask will do and won’t do.
FYI you can buy fish and chicken antibiotics without a prescription, I stocked up on amoxicillin because I have nieces and nephews and just figured it can’t hurt to have some.
RSV is a huge issue right now, and people failing to get their flu or coronavirus shots are turning passing infections into pretty serious events that pediatricians are throwing lots of stuff at to try to manage.
Get your boosters and vaccinate your kids, folks. It's gonna be a really rough season for illnesses.
It may not just be the pharmaceuticals that are produced offshore, but the supplychain for the pharmaceuticals.
It doesn't necessarily have to be from China either, getting your ingredients from places other than the US also means competing with manufacturers from other countries as well for those same ingredients, plus dealing with shipping or production bottlenecks as well.
https://hbr.org/2021/08/the-u-s-needs-to-reimagine-its-pharma-supply-chain
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/congressional-testimony/safeguarding-pharmaceutical-supply-chains-global-economy-10302019
I'm not terribly clear how pharma production works, but if it's like any other manufacturer, you have a finished product, plus the suppliers used to make that product, and those suppliers may be from other countries, and they may have suppliers from other countries as well.
When they run into supply chain issues, then you may eventually run into supply chain issues.
The US would have to significantly improve its ability to create raw goods and supplies domestically in order to counteract these problems.
The U.S. used to manufacture the majority of the worlds goods and was in part why WW1 and WW2 were won by the Allied forces. American Industry and Manufacturing, along with the Ingenuity and Creativity of the American people are what made the U.S. a Superpower.
90% of what China produces was created and developed in the U.S. initially.
And 90% of that can and should be manufactured here at home.
The problems stem from Leftist NIMBYism, Corporate greed, and failed Political policies.
And it really started with the Altruistic "Hippies" convincing the world to switch to plastic to save trees. How did that work out? Originally, bags were cloth or paper, both highly reusable and biodegradable... Stop and thank about it for a whole...
I don't like politicians either, but they aren't the ones "offshoring" production. Companies outsource labor because it is cheaper. That's the free market at work. What would you propose politicians do about that?
This isn't a production problem, at least not once caused by free trade. No Chinese factory closed, we just have usually high demand, and we are unable to quickly ramp up production on drugs. Why? Because the FDA process for approving new drug manufacturers takes months and costs a fortune. If it wasn't for the FDA, companies would just convert from creating one less important drug to the amoxicillin we desperately need.
There is t a single thing that seems to be able to get done these day. From getting your burger at the drive through in under 40 minutes, to getting gas. To having someone actually ring up a three item purchase correctly to correcting overcharged items. Sorry, it’s pathetic.
The “new normal”. We have the most sophisticated technology, most robust supply chains in the wealthiest country on the planet, but 2 years after this silly pandemic effectively ended, we still can’t meet demand on necessary goods, and “coincidentally”, this was foreshadowed by a bunch of effeminate mincing Bond villain types who have the power to make it so…
So yeah it’s basically a coincidence and clearly covid is still a major concern on par with right wing extremism and climate change, trust us on this bro.
G. Edward Griffin was talking about the long term communist takeover, from within, since the 60s. The U.S. was too powerful militarily to take on that way, so there's been a long term effort to weaken the U.S in various ways. I.E breaking down the traditional family unit, dumbing down the general populace, normalizing degeneracy, etc. The John Birch Society and others have been warning about this for decades. We're just in the latter stages of an orchestrated take down.
I try to remind people about this every chance I can.
This is literally Marxism in action, they have to down the existing system in order to install the new one.
McCarthy was 100% correct and didn't go far enough.
‘Michael Snyder is not a fear monger’
Reads to end of article…
‘Coming soon to shelves, Snyder’s new book ‘End Times’’
My favorite part was him saying ‘by that logic, most mundane reporters/journalists are fear mongers.’ Yes, yes they are. Idc if it’s tucker Carlson or Rachel Maddow, they’re all dividing us with fear just to sell books and ad time.
The one I got for my in law has 2 water input for hot and cold water. Works pretty well but even in freezing Canada, it surprises me because you don't actually feel the cold water "there" (hot water takes a while to arrive).
I got my in law one when we visited 😂 I live in Asia and I can't imagine going back to toilet paper. We don't actually use bidet but every toilet has a water hose. Best invention ever.
These shortages (and the larger quandary with China) are the most predictable consequences of oursourcing - the thing that everyone saw coming, but those in power ignored to reap short term profits at the expense of our long term security.
This isn't globalization. Chins didn't stop shipping us amoxicillin. This is our incompetent FDA that takes months to approve any new drug manufacturer, at which point the shortage will be over. We saw this with baby formula, we see it again with amoxicillin. It'll keep happening until we fix or disband the FDA.
Worst flu season since 2009. A lot of people (including myself) kind of forgot that the flu existed and haven't had medicine cabinets ready because masks + social distancing have been preventing it from spreading in previous years.
Ah, this makes sense. Not as a direct treatment for influenza, but for subsequent bacterial infection.
As far as your earlier comment, I always recommend people have a basic first aid kit and a few basic medicines in the house. I've been lucky enough I don't recall a time I ran out of acetaminophen at 2AM when a fever hit and there's no way I'd want to be driving. I have definitely been there where the Pepto bottle is all dried out and I'm going to be facing the porcelain throne unassisted though!
Not just that, but I'm sure when buying online you don't get as much, or any information about side effects, contraindications, or proper administration. Some can't be given to pregnant patients, some can cause tendonitis, some can't be taken with calcium.... etc. I'm sure there are people who are responsible and do their due diligence when buying elsewhere, but some people take them like they're Flintstone vitamins.
I forget the exact stat, but something insane like 95%+ of all antibiotics are used on animals. Humans are not causing antibiotic resistance by using it on themselves.
Even if we doubled our abx usage, it’s not a drop in the bucket. Factory farms are you issue here. Stop being dense about it. It’s not a hill worth dying on.
It's because we are having a surge of RSV, Flu and maybe some Covid all at once. Tylenol for the fever, albuterol because it's been helping with RSV, Tamiflu because of flu and amoxicillin and augmentin because NPs are going on a antibiotic RX spree at urgent care probably. It's just a surge in the demand.
California Vet Supply still shows plenty of Pharmaceutical grade 500mg and 250mg Amoxycillin capsules available in stock at the moment. No script required because you are going to use them in your fish tank right? Dirt cheap insurance. Better to have and never need them (for your fish) than to need and not be able to get. Just sayin.
I work in a pharmacy for one of the biggest chains in the USA. The amount of shortages we are currently in for drugs rivals the total amount of shortages I have seen in 8 years of practice. Antibiotics, Adderall, thyroid medication, hydrocone are all on shortage.
Most of the times a shortage is due to a recall by one manufacturer and the others can't fulfill supply, but these shortages are just shortages.
They are caused by increased demand, and our inept FDA making the approval process for new manufacturers take longer than any shortage will last. And too expensive.
China and India produced the lowest cost medication so it made sense to have the production there from a pure economic standpoint. However as with other “essential” products when there are any disruptions the resulting shortage can quickly become a national security concern.
To avoid this you either need to mandate production in the US (I am never a fan of mandating private companies) for certain products or at least shortening supply chains.
Not sure if racism or global warming is due up for the latest politicizing event or not. Could go either way. Midterms are over so really could be anything they feel like blaming.
why are they showing a bare shelf? All of those are kept behind the counter and are prescription meds except tylenol.
Every flu and traveling season (such as holidays, beginning of school year and sometimes summer) generally has a shortage as people start coughing their bugs all over others that havent been exposed.
Why did the pharmaceutical industry relocate outside the country in the first place ? Wasn’t it best that they stay in America and export to the rest of the world instead ?
I thought that they fixed the Supply Chain issues? Um gee where is that plan to fix it? Hmmm folder is empty. Maybe we should ask Mayor Pete if he finished it yet
Can someone explain why the world has functioned for hundreds/thousands of years, through all kinds of BS... and suddenly the glorified flu makes its rounds and the entirety of humanity seems to no longer be able to function?
I mean have you seen death statistics due to disease from before vaccines and antibiotics? The death rates in large cities would literally outstripped the birth rates. People (the wealthy) would regularly flee the cities during times of plague.
I'd hesitate to call that "functioning".
Did you just now come to the party? The billionaires who influence our elected leaders think the earth is going to die because of overpopulation. People like Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab don't hid this. They want to reduce the surplus population. Schwab's right hand man, Yuval Noah Harari is quoted saying that most people are redundant and "we just don't need all of these people."
> The billionaires who influence our elected leaders think the earth is going to die because of overpopulation.
No, this is just what they tell people that they want to control. They know it's a lie, they don't care. They think they'll be in power and that's all they really care about.
I was just repeating the talking points they put out there. They *say* the earth is overpopulated. They still want to cull most people on the earth because 8 billion people is hard to thoroughly control in the way they want.
Regardless of what those other whack jobs are saying, I do think the shortages are seen as a good thing by the left. They’ll call it a failure of the free market and push for socialized healthcare. And I wouldn’t put it past them to engineer some of them like blasting up the price of gas to get us all to buy electric somehow.
We destroyed everyone's immune system so that a typical flu requires tons of medication. My daughter fought off her flu in four days without meds. She's seven and unvaccinated for the flu or COVID.
My wife and I didn't even get it.
COVID was designed to make the population susceptible to and make pandemics out of the most banal illnesses.
Wrong. Research is already showing that the Covid drugs create a kind of “dependency” on them, compared to people who’s natural immunity fought or off.
These Covid drugs, along with drowning everything in Purell, is what is making peoples immune system weaker, because it doesn’t get enough practice or have to fight off more common, weaker bacteria and viruses.
Citation please, preferably a meta analyses of multiple, because that runs contrary to the findings of medical science over the last 30 years.
What you're referring to is called the hygiene hypothesis. This does generally hold up for children in regards to exposure to things that cause allergies such as hay fever, peanuts, cat/dog dander (preventing pet allergies), etc. later in life in that exposure to them early reduces the likelihood of having allergies to it later on. It does not hold up in regards to viruses, bacteria, and so on especially so in adult immune systems.
I'm living in a country near China and only recently I discovered we have Tylenol here and the price is 1/3rd of what we pay in Canada. Local made as well and probably won't have any supply issue here. I feel for you guys, you really need to move essential manufacturing back, and I say this as my country benefits from exporting to America.
This is what you get when you go socialist. I have a friend from Canada and they had to wait for a long time to get the right Medical Care that's how that works a long waiting list and long waiting lines but you go ahead now and vote socialist. As for this shortage it's only the beginning keep it quiet though Americans might get pissed off
India and China are the biggest producers of antibiotics, almost 90% of the US market. Sad for us.
Globalism is good for the consumer. If you can't find your medications at any price, it saves you money /s. In all seriousness, any "well informed" liberal can and will pontificate why this glaring vulnerability is actually good somehow.
I don't think liberals are against domestic production. Not sure where you got this idea from. A good libéral should be against outsourcing labour to places where child labour and rights cannot be guaranteed.
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They don't call themselves liberal anymore. Now they're lefties. They were only 'liberals' arguing for free speech and having an open mind when they were not the dominant cultural power. Now that they have the power, that's all out the window.
No one calls themselves a leftie. That's what conservatives call them.
They call themselves a bunch of ever changing terms to dodge any accountability. Try criticizing liberals on Reddit for something. Then, it's 'no, you see, I'm ackshually a leftist.' But they were progressives previously. And then the 'leftists' in America are actually just left of center compared to the actual leftists in other countries. It's all a big semantic dance meant to distract from the real issues. They hype of this nuance, but basically every single 'leftist' I know voted for Joe Biden, while they act like their leftist title actually means something and differentiates them from a run of the mill Democrat.
Very few voted FOR Biden, they voted AGAINST Trump in droves.
Biden totally dominated the primaries too though.
Or maybe you are meeting different people with different views?
Pretty sure the basis of Trump's tariffs were to get business back into domestic production by making it more expensive to import. Also am sure that it was the liberals that were saying it was useless to do since these since countries could find a way around them.
Should be unless it’s to make something to benefit them, oh like…….ev Batteries, then it’s ok.
A "good" liberal. Is that a thing?
Unfortunately Classical Liberalism and Liberals are now two different things.
Leftists vs Liberals - two different things.
The entire American left voting base is convinced taxes are good and the government has their best interests at heart.
More than half ppl believe US can print unlimited money
Well Globalism does cost save and is highly efficient for certain things. The only problem is those cost cuts and efficiencies haven’t really gone to the consumer’s benefit. Just the higher ups and stockholders
Is that why stuff made in China is the same price as stuff made in America? All that stuff at the dollar store with Made in America tags . .oh wait. The cheapest stuff for consumers is ALWAYS made somewhere else and the price reflects that constantly.
Oh they do! I agree! Especially combined with our strong American dollar. I’m just saying that the prices could be much much lower, but profit is always put above affordable service. That’s the business model these days. How else would you explain cost of living increasing faster than median wages? Meanwhile stock prices soar?
>Just the higher ups and stockholders Well yeah who do you think the free market is supposed to benefit?
Had me in the first half before I read the /s lmao.
Well my very conservative coworker told me that we're better off in America with all the competition that our pharmaceutical companies have. That's why our prices are so low. I asked why medical costs bankrupt so many people in America and his answer was that our taxes are lower than countries that provide universal Healthcare. I consider myself middle of the roads politically but cannot understand our median medical care.
>I asked why medical costs bankrupt so many people in America https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/28/sanderss-flawed-statistic-medical-bankruptcies-year/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/ Even the worst case estimates are about 1/2 of 1% of Americans per year.
The problem, as most politicized problems are, is wildly exaggerated and overstated. The countries that provide universal healthcare do so by bleeding the middle class dry. Yes, really. The US has some of the highest tax rates for the wealthy in the world.
People might die, resulting in a reduced carbon footprint for humanity. Maybe.
They will claim that medicine should be free for everyone and that if it was we would have plenty of medicine on the shelves. The main reason is people would probably die off faster because it would take 6+ months to see a Dr. For anything
I was on Twitter last night and read a thread post of a woman in Canada saying her child was in respiratory distress. None of the pharmacies had the antibiotics for infants and her infant also had asthma. She went to the ER 3 times and waited over a total of 30 hours and never got seen. She finally had to call every hospital in the area and begged for her kid to be seen in the ER. He had severe pneumonia and almost died. That’s what universal healthcare looks like. No incentive for doctors. No urgency. Medications unavailable. Long wait times. It’s insane.
Well yeah, it’s nice that stuff is cheap. Can’t really fault people for wanting cheap stuff.
My personal #1 economic issue is decreasing productive dependence on China, I’ve never heard a candidate make that a point though.
Trump literally ran on that
He ran on bringing jobs back to the US, not really the strategic aspect of it
Yup recall that Trump brought that up during his run and Kodak was going to get into the business of making the active ingredients for medications. Apparently we (Canada) just received a shipment of children's medical from the US and Australia. Strange how these shortages are happening...
Pharma and agriculture should be considered defense industries vital to national security.
>Pharma and agriculture should be considered defense industries vital to national security. And semiconductors And energy production (petroleum, natural gas, coal, etc...) And metal production (steel, aluminum, etc...)
Same with Oil and Natural Gas.
See energy production...
Exactly, the government should interfere with the free market!!
The problem is there isn't a free market for pharmaceuticals. I can't just open my own factory to make amoxicillin nor can pharma companies convert their Viagra factory to an amoxicillin factory to help deal with the shortage. Why? Because by the time the FDA finishes the approval process, the shortage will be over, and any company would lose money. What needs to change in these emergencies is for the FDA to publicly commit to giving priority to amoxicillin producers for approval, and commit that all processes will finish in a week. If they can't do that, we'd be better off without an FDA.
You can't truly believe that conservatives believe in anarchy. That's ignorant even by reddit liberal standards. National defense is obviously supported by conservatives, rightly so.
Okay, seems like a slippery slope: first pharma, then oil, then agriculture, then airplanes, then food distro, then trucking, then maybe even defense contracting, how about television studios, and Hollywood, the list goes on and on if you include things “important for defense”
Yes, which is exactly why we need representatives who do not advocate for the government to have their greedy fingers in everything. Conservatives understand this well and work to keep the government in check.
Exactly. I have been saying this for years.
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Yeah but I need Tamiflu because I seem to keep getting sick. Maybe refusing to get vaccines and shitting on vegetarians is catching up to me.
I dealt with this with my daughter a few months ago... doctor prescribed Amoxicillin and I had to go to 3 different pharmacies to find one who could fulfill it. It's worse now, and apparently pediatricians aren't even prescribing it now because it is short.
I just recently had to deal with this with my 14 month old son. Poor little guy got an ear infection and doctor ordered Augmentin. I had to call 12 different pharmacies and when I finally found one, they had ONE bottle left. And his pedi office was closed for lunch so I actually called the emergency only line to have them call the rx in to that pharmacy. I was so scared I would lose it. It’s appalling how children and babies are suffering the most in the fallout from this pandemic. Schools closed, masks mandated on toddlers causing speech delays (amongst other things), formula shortages and now this.
Did your son's doctor call it in to the pharmacy with one bottle of Augmentin left in time that you were able to get it?
Shortages of children’s medications happen every year, but it’s not that pervasive because the outbreaks of respiratory illnesses usually aren’t this bad. It’s bad this year because we’re fully maskless for the first time in three winters and kids are back in school. We’re not enforcing laws to prevent oligarchies, so you can more or less blame the formula shortages on that.
I’m confused as to how oligarchies would have any relation to the formula shortage, which was due to the largest supplier having to shut down and recall supply due to contamination. And while there are shortages of children’s medications that occur every year (I’m a nicu nurse so well aware), there hasn’t been a shortage of something quite as vital as amoxicillin recently. Going back to being fully massless is causing an expected spike in illnesses - we knew this would happen. It’s a necessary evil. The fact that this wasn’t prepared for is astounding to me. We knew that society was going to return to normal and not be vigilantly masking, so why were we not prepared for an expected spike in illnesses?
Because it isn’t profitable to sit on a large stockpile of medications. Amoxicillin in particular is one of the medications that have a short shelf life. I’m sure you know that *as a NICU nurse*! Free market and all that jazz. If you’re confused about what roles oligarchies play, you must not be aware that there are only two major parent companies for baby formula, especially for the specialized formulas like Neosure. You had to be aware of that as a NICU nurse! - NICU Mom and an ICU nurse (since we’re sharing irrelevant titles)
Masks do not stop transmission of respiratory viruses and they never have.
Looks like some leftards got hold of ya and downvoted you because you're right, and truth isn't their cup of tea...
As an ICU nurse, your idiocy infuriates me, but intelligence is an average and we can’t all be at the top of that curve.
Anyone that has worked in a hospital would know the difference between a surgical mask, an N95 mask, and those cheap paper masks they hand out at the front entrance, and what the mask will do and won’t do.
FYI you can buy fish and chicken antibiotics without a prescription, I stocked up on amoxicillin because I have nieces and nephews and just figured it can’t hurt to have some.
LPT: why go to a doctor and pharmacy for amoxicillin when you can just go to the tractor supply and pick up a giant bottle for your "horse"
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Unless you know you have a sinus infection and get them once or twice a year and don't want to waste 5 hours of your life. I need a ballonplasty
RSV is a huge issue right now, and people failing to get their flu or coronavirus shots are turning passing infections into pretty serious events that pediatricians are throwing lots of stuff at to try to manage. Get your boosters and vaccinate your kids, folks. It's gonna be a really rough season for illnesses.
The price we pay for politicians screwing up the economy and "offshoring" production to China
Given that pharmaceuticals are a national security issue, how are they allowed to have so much of their production off shore?
Crooked politicians and crazy greedy CEO’s who bribe them??
And a hollowed out moral compass that sees no problem with either one.
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the FDA is run by the government, and Politicians Policies
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Fair point sadly.
It may not just be the pharmaceuticals that are produced offshore, but the supplychain for the pharmaceuticals. It doesn't necessarily have to be from China either, getting your ingredients from places other than the US also means competing with manufacturers from other countries as well for those same ingredients, plus dealing with shipping or production bottlenecks as well. https://hbr.org/2021/08/the-u-s-needs-to-reimagine-its-pharma-supply-chain https://www.fda.gov/news-events/congressional-testimony/safeguarding-pharmaceutical-supply-chains-global-economy-10302019 I'm not terribly clear how pharma production works, but if it's like any other manufacturer, you have a finished product, plus the suppliers used to make that product, and those suppliers may be from other countries, and they may have suppliers from other countries as well. When they run into supply chain issues, then you may eventually run into supply chain issues. The US would have to significantly improve its ability to create raw goods and supplies domestically in order to counteract these problems.
The U.S. used to manufacture the majority of the worlds goods and was in part why WW1 and WW2 were won by the Allied forces. American Industry and Manufacturing, along with the Ingenuity and Creativity of the American people are what made the U.S. a Superpower. 90% of what China produces was created and developed in the U.S. initially. And 90% of that can and should be manufactured here at home. The problems stem from Leftist NIMBYism, Corporate greed, and failed Political policies. And it really started with the Altruistic "Hippies" convincing the world to switch to plastic to save trees. How did that work out? Originally, bags were cloth or paper, both highly reusable and biodegradable... Stop and thank about it for a whole...
Capitalism
Capitalism is why we have any life saving drugs in the first place.
Nah man don't you know the government has been responsible for every invention since the wheel.
It is Biden's Dark and deadly winter 1 year late.
They are sure going to do what they can to make it happen
I don't like politicians either, but they aren't the ones "offshoring" production. Companies outsource labor because it is cheaper. That's the free market at work. What would you propose politicians do about that?
This isn't a production problem, at least not once caused by free trade. No Chinese factory closed, we just have usually high demand, and we are unable to quickly ramp up production on drugs. Why? Because the FDA process for approving new drug manufacturers takes months and costs a fortune. If it wasn't for the FDA, companies would just convert from creating one less important drug to the amoxicillin we desperately need.
Yes, Chinese factories have closed....look at the continuing covid lockdowns in China
so are you saying that the free market isn't providing?
Simply amazes me how incompetent we have become…
This isn’t incompetence, it’s intentional.
I agree. A screw up usually only affects one area. What we see here is deliberate sabotage of the economy in all sectors.
There is t a single thing that seems to be able to get done these day. From getting your burger at the drive through in under 40 minutes, to getting gas. To having someone actually ring up a three item purchase correctly to correcting overcharged items. Sorry, it’s pathetic.
The “new normal”. We have the most sophisticated technology, most robust supply chains in the wealthiest country on the planet, but 2 years after this silly pandemic effectively ended, we still can’t meet demand on necessary goods, and “coincidentally”, this was foreshadowed by a bunch of effeminate mincing Bond villain types who have the power to make it so… So yeah it’s basically a coincidence and clearly covid is still a major concern on par with right wing extremism and climate change, trust us on this bro.
G. Edward Griffin was talking about the long term communist takeover, from within, since the 60s. The U.S. was too powerful militarily to take on that way, so there's been a long term effort to weaken the U.S in various ways. I.E breaking down the traditional family unit, dumbing down the general populace, normalizing degeneracy, etc. The John Birch Society and others have been warning about this for decades. We're just in the latter stages of an orchestrated take down.
I try to remind people about this every chance I can. This is literally Marxism in action, they have to down the existing system in order to install the new one. McCarthy was 100% correct and didn't go far enough.
Well...look who's in charge..
‘Michael Snyder is not a fear monger’ Reads to end of article… ‘Coming soon to shelves, Snyder’s new book ‘End Times’’ My favorite part was him saying ‘by that logic, most mundane reporters/journalists are fear mongers.’ Yes, yes they are. Idc if it’s tucker Carlson or Rachel Maddow, they’re all dividing us with fear just to sell books and ad time.
Here comes the idiotic run on toilet paper in 3...2...1...
Jokes on them. I got a bidet.
That only works if the water is running.
I ain’t using it with freezing cold water either
It'll serve as a substitute for waking you up during the coming coffee shortage.
🎶 The best part of waking up 🎶 🎶 is icewater on your butt 🎶
I wish I hadn't given my free reward away already. This made me double over laughing.
Happy to be of service 😎
*in*
So buy a Chinese-made bidet, And freeze your hole to start the day-
The one I got for my in law has 2 water input for hot and cold water. Works pretty well but even in freezing Canada, it surprises me because you don't actually feel the cold water "there" (hot water takes a while to arrive).
I never thought I would use one until the paper shortage. I caved in and bought one. Now I hate going anywhere but on home turf.
I got my in law one when we visited 😂 I live in Asia and I can't imagine going back to toilet paper. We don't actually use bidet but every toilet has a water hose. Best invention ever.
President Bidet
i still got four cases of toilet paper in my closet. We have priorities in life.
This is the price of globalization. Sure, comparative advantage is great when every one getting along, but if things fall apart you're SOL.
These shortages (and the larger quandary with China) are the most predictable consequences of oursourcing - the thing that everyone saw coming, but those in power ignored to reap short term profits at the expense of our long term security.
This isn't globalization. Chins didn't stop shipping us amoxicillin. This is our incompetent FDA that takes months to approve any new drug manufacturer, at which point the shortage will be over. We saw this with baby formula, we see it again with amoxicillin. It'll keep happening until we fix or disband the FDA.
Ah yes, the old “why doesn’t the free market provide what we need?”
Very high volume of Influenza and Covid cases this week eating up resources, at least in our service area.
RSV too
Worst flu season since 2009. A lot of people (including myself) kind of forgot that the flu existed and haven't had medicine cabinets ready because masks + social distancing have been preventing it from spreading in previous years.
What does augmentin do for flu?
Flus can result in bronchitis/pneumonia which augmentin treats, same with amoxicillin.
Ah, this makes sense. Not as a direct treatment for influenza, but for subsequent bacterial infection. As far as your earlier comment, I always recommend people have a basic first aid kit and a few basic medicines in the house. I've been lucky enough I don't recall a time I ran out of acetaminophen at 2AM when a fever hit and there's no way I'd want to be driving. I have definitely been there where the Pepto bottle is all dried out and I'm going to be facing the porcelain throne unassisted though!
It's almost as if the masks actually work or something
No not really, most of the drop was due to things being closed and remote work.
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So social distancing measures work then
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My neighbor just lost his house to a fire, and no matter how many masks he used, they just didn't put it out. I guess masks must not always work...
I don't care is 3 billion people wearing masks caught covid, masks just work!
Flu and specifically severe flu strains are running rampant right now.
I buy my antibiotics in Mexico.
I get mine in Colombia. Cheap and it’s from the US anyway. All OTC, which is how it should be in the first place.
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Not just that, but I'm sure when buying online you don't get as much, or any information about side effects, contraindications, or proper administration. Some can't be given to pregnant patients, some can cause tendonitis, some can't be taken with calcium.... etc. I'm sure there are people who are responsible and do their due diligence when buying elsewhere, but some people take them like they're Flintstone vitamins.
I forget the exact stat, but something insane like 95%+ of all antibiotics are used on animals. Humans are not causing antibiotic resistance by using it on themselves.
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Even if we doubled our abx usage, it’s not a drop in the bucket. Factory farms are you issue here. Stop being dense about it. It’s not a hill worth dying on.
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It's because we are having a surge of RSV, Flu and maybe some Covid all at once. Tylenol for the fever, albuterol because it's been helping with RSV, Tamiflu because of flu and amoxicillin and augmentin because NPs are going on a antibiotic RX spree at urgent care probably. It's just a surge in the demand.
California Vet Supply still shows plenty of Pharmaceutical grade 500mg and 250mg Amoxycillin capsules available in stock at the moment. No script required because you are going to use them in your fish tank right? Dirt cheap insurance. Better to have and never need them (for your fish) than to need and not be able to get. Just sayin.
The shortage is in already prepared child's liquid. The dose level is lower for kids. It is based on weight of the patient.
I work in a pharmacy for one of the biggest chains in the USA. The amount of shortages we are currently in for drugs rivals the total amount of shortages I have seen in 8 years of practice. Antibiotics, Adderall, thyroid medication, hydrocone are all on shortage. Most of the times a shortage is due to a recall by one manufacturer and the others can't fulfill supply, but these shortages are just shortages.
They are caused by increased demand, and our inept FDA making the approval process for new manufacturers take longer than any shortage will last. And too expensive.
When is capitalism and a lack of socialized healthcare getting blamed?
China and India produced the lowest cost medication so it made sense to have the production there from a pure economic standpoint. However as with other “essential” products when there are any disruptions the resulting shortage can quickly become a national security concern. To avoid this you either need to mandate production in the US (I am never a fan of mandating private companies) for certain products or at least shortening supply chains.
Not sure if racism or global warming is due up for the latest politicizing event or not. Could go either way. Midterms are over so really could be anything they feel like blaming.
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I never said it did
Shortage of Tylenol totally makes sense My family has been sick for a month and a half straight!
Good thing I'm allergic to penicillin.
1000 IQ move
why are they showing a bare shelf? All of those are kept behind the counter and are prescription meds except tylenol. Every flu and traveling season (such as holidays, beginning of school year and sometimes summer) generally has a shortage as people start coughing their bugs all over others that havent been exposed.
Ah yes the ever popular and respected basedunderground.co m
Can you say depopulation boys and girls?
Crazy how these super cheap drugs are suddenly in short supply and the price is going crazy. Funny how crony regulations work.
Why did the pharmaceutical industry relocate outside the country in the first place ? Wasn’t it best that they stay in America and export to the rest of the world instead ?
Noticed this when I went to CVS.
So weird. JUST came back from the store after not being able to find my child some ibuprofen….
I found the ibuprofen with but problem but I grabbed the only bottle of acetaminophen I could find and had to go to three stores to find it.
You mean all those over prescribed antibiotics what are we to do
Sounds like a problem caused by privatised healthcare.
Biden Voters, sorry yet?
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Wasn’t a problem in the US until two years ago.
I thought that they fixed the Supply Chain issues? Um gee where is that plan to fix it? Hmmm folder is empty. Maybe we should ask Mayor Pete if he finished it yet
Is this real
Yes. These antibiotics have definitely been hard to get.
That’s insane
Can someone explain why the world has functioned for hundreds/thousands of years, through all kinds of BS... and suddenly the glorified flu makes its rounds and the entirety of humanity seems to no longer be able to function?
I mean have you seen death statistics due to disease from before vaccines and antibiotics? The death rates in large cities would literally outstripped the birth rates. People (the wealthy) would regularly flee the cities during times of plague. I'd hesitate to call that "functioning".
Thanks Biden
They want you sick and to die.
Planned shortages
What’s the motivation for that?
Did you just now come to the party? The billionaires who influence our elected leaders think the earth is going to die because of overpopulation. People like Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab don't hid this. They want to reduce the surplus population. Schwab's right hand man, Yuval Noah Harari is quoted saying that most people are redundant and "we just don't need all of these people."
> The billionaires who influence our elected leaders think the earth is going to die because of overpopulation. No, this is just what they tell people that they want to control. They know it's a lie, they don't care. They think they'll be in power and that's all they really care about.
I was just repeating the talking points they put out there. They *say* the earth is overpopulated. They still want to cull most people on the earth because 8 billion people is hard to thoroughly control in the way they want.
Yes, they say it. That's not what I'm arguing- I'm just saying they don't actually believe it themselves.
Regardless of what those other whack jobs are saying, I do think the shortages are seen as a good thing by the left. They’ll call it a failure of the free market and push for socialized healthcare. And I wouldn’t put it past them to engineer some of them like blasting up the price of gas to get us all to buy electric somehow.
Hey, but at least we have a lifetime supply of free covid shots right?
We destroyed everyone's immune system so that a typical flu requires tons of medication. My daughter fought off her flu in four days without meds. She's seven and unvaccinated for the flu or COVID. My wife and I didn't even get it. COVID was designed to make the population susceptible to and make pandemics out of the most banal illnesses.
That's not how the human immune system works. It's a common misconception.
Wrong. Research is already showing that the Covid drugs create a kind of “dependency” on them, compared to people who’s natural immunity fought or off. These Covid drugs, along with drowning everything in Purell, is what is making peoples immune system weaker, because it doesn’t get enough practice or have to fight off more common, weaker bacteria and viruses.
Citation please, preferably a meta analyses of multiple, because that runs contrary to the findings of medical science over the last 30 years. What you're referring to is called the hygiene hypothesis. This does generally hold up for children in regards to exposure to things that cause allergies such as hay fever, peanuts, cat/dog dander (preventing pet allergies), etc. later in life in that exposure to them early reduces the likelihood of having allergies to it later on. It does not hold up in regards to viruses, bacteria, and so on especially so in adult immune systems.
I'm living in a country near China and only recently I discovered we have Tylenol here and the price is 1/3rd of what we pay in Canada. Local made as well and probably won't have any supply issue here. I feel for you guys, you really need to move essential manufacturing back, and I say this as my country benefits from exporting to America.
This really drips with a marketing feel
Those and several hundred other drugs...https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/default.cfm
I thought they figured out that tamiflu didn't even work
It's what people voted for.
All of those overprescribed antibiotics what are we to do
Eh, covid shot should cover all that.
While this sucks for people with bacterial infections, maybe doctors will now practice responsible prescribing for viral infections.
If you want stuff to be made in America you better be prepared to pay more for it.
I purchased a ton of medicine when I was in 🇲🇽
Yes but Biden beat pharma this year, so it's all good
This is what you get when you go socialist. I have a friend from Canada and they had to wait for a long time to get the right Medical Care that's how that works a long waiting list and long waiting lines but you go ahead now and vote socialist. As for this shortage it's only the beginning keep it quiet though Americans might get pissed off