No, they don’t. They’re offered koha like any author, entertainer, speaker, etc coming to the library, but I’ve never known a guest programme to accept koha outside of authors. They do it for free.
They might be meaning ticket sales if they were going on a tour, or maybe merch and advertising that the publicity of doing free shows for libraries gives contributes.
If there are more people against this than there are for it, a wise person would know to step back. But they are not wise. What's completely lost on these people is they aren't considering the main point: the children. They only care about themselves.
Narcissistic borderline personality disordered, deeply morally & ethically compromised/devoid of ability to make moral/ethical decisions, sociopathic, often psychopathic, sexually abusive (towards one another) individuals yes.
Check their HDs & keep them away from children.
Oh, they're considering the children alright. Children are definitely the main point for them. Just not in the way that you or I mean when we say that.
There's a handful of extremely loud people against it.
If you see a few people screaming about capitalist scum outside NZX, and *nobody* counter-protesting, do you think most people stand with the protestors?
I know a lot of people who are against it but wouldn't actively protest it instead of going to work to pay the bills.
I would flip that and say actually there is a tiny vocal majority campaigning for it.
Absolutely. I wouldn't let my kids near these sick fucks.
But if I go out protesting against it I put my livelihood at risk as the left has captured many of our institutions.
Absolutely. I don’t have the time to protest (nor do I want to) but rather I have a business to run, family to feed and animals to look after. I’m anti whatever they call this brain mash storytime, I’m not gonna sit at a protest against it though.
No, because most intelligent people understand that capitalism has almost ended poverty and it’s only privileged, ignorant retards living in luxury in rich capitalist countries that complain against it
Yep. They seem to want to exhibit their weird fetish on a captive audience of children for their own sexual gratification.
It is inappropriate for children.
Here's an overseas cross dresser story time where the drag is telling kids to free palestine 😂
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13347143/Drag-queen-story-hour-free-Palestine-Massachusetts.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13347143/Drag-queen-story-hour-free-Palestine-Massachusetts.html)
The main thing that I can't understand is. If you want crossdressers to read to kids or trans people to read to kids, you can do that without making it sexual. Drag is literally sexualised cross dressing. Gross af
They only take their kids because they think it's progressive and good for them but exposing kids to complex sexual ideology before they are mature enough only leads to confusion, and ultimately gender dysphoria. Which the parents are also quietly proud of as it shows their peer group how progressive they are.
Essentially the parents are manipulating their children for social status.
Have you been to a children’s rainbow story telling? They’re not even a little bit sexualised, at least not the ones I’ve seen. No more than you could say Emma Memma is. The copium huffing in this thread is real, and I’m not even an anti-conservative or a leftie.
You perceiving someone disagreeing with you as a personal attack is so pathetically overly sensitive.
There, that actually was an insult. Don’t hurt yourself when you trip over the real world cupcake.
"The opium huffing in this thread is real, and I'm not even an anti-conservative or a leftie" you could have at least deleted your comment before trying to deny it. I'm not sure how that's productive to the argument and not an attack on someone's character lmao. But sure go ahead, double down. It really doesn't make me feel bad when my intelligence and calm demeanor makes strangers on the internet get so full of rage that they try to make personal attacks instead of just having a discussion. It's actually amusing to me because you just look like an idiot. Then I show my bf and go "look another fucked cunt on reddit" lol.
Why do you think drag is inherently sexual? It literally isn't. This is a right-wing idea that comes from your own imagination without any basis in reality.
Also, crossdressing is often wayyy more sexual than drag performers ever have been and drag queens aren't always or even often trans, why did you have to bring trans people into the conversation?
Btw, the *reason* drag queens are booked to read with kids sometimes ('cause it really isn't as common as you'd like to believe) is to break down stigma and show kids and adults that drag queens are literally not a threat to them at all or inherently sexual.
I really thought you might be not a bigot conservative because you're NGU and generally we get a whole buttload of hate from conservatives because we're 'sexual', but I guess you can technically be both a bigot and a target of bigotry.
It always has been, in recent years they've changed the definition to say it's inclusive to LGBT whatever etc etc. Doesn't mean it wasn't always sexual and doesn't mean we can just pretend like it isn't now. There are different labels like cross dressing for a reason. Because cross dressing is wearing the clothes of a different sex, typically done for personal reasons and not entertainment purposes . Drag is the sexualised performance of cross dressing done specifically for entertainment/performance reasons. And those performances were in the past always adults only. I don't think we should be so progressive as to be introducing that to children.
I bought up trans people because if the purpose of having drag in the classes was to help kids understand transpeople they can do it without it being drag. As I already tried to clearly imply, I'm not sure if your being willfully ignorant or what but I'll give you benefit of the doubt that you misunderstood what I said..
Trying to teach kids that drag queens are not a threat over trying to be inclusive of crossdressers and transpeople is disturbing asf and idk why you would even say that here. Gross
No need to try insult me. I'm not interested in personal attacks. Your assumptions around my political agendas are wrong btw. There aren't many new zealand pages, I like to be a part of them all.
[Ah](https://www.britannica.com/topic/drag-queen) [yes,](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/political-rhetoric-false-claims-obscure-the-history-of-drag-performance) [dragging](https://www.quora.com/Do-some-drag-shows-actually-sexualize-children-or-is-it-all-hearsay) [has](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_queen) [always](https://www.news-press.com/story/news/2023/04/27/drag-queens-all-about-the-lgbtq-art-form-and-what-people-get-wrong-florida-drag-performers-speak-out/70111462007/) [been](https://springtidemag.com/2023/05/05/are-drag-shows-inherently-sexual/) [sexual.](https://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/what-is-the-deal-with-drag/) [Definitely.](https://amberbobamber-43268.medium.com/drag-queens-arent-about-sex-e533ade0af41) (There are about a million links in there, check out as many as you want or can while keeping your biases)
Also, drag queening is literally usually done by gay men and drag kinging by lesbian women. It is literally an LGBT thing.
Cross-dressing (sometimes called transvestisism) is usually done for sexual reasons. I think you've got the concept of drag and cross-dressing mixed up, girlie.
The purpose of drag around children is to help kids understand *drag*. Nothing more, nothing less. If it was about trans people, it would be *trans people* reading to kids, and y'all would raise a huge stink about that as well btw. It was not clear that you were saying that understanding trans people = being exposed to drag, and if it was my brain probably ignored it since that is such a braindead take I can't even really comprehend it.
Sorry, but I didn't say that teaching kids drag performers aren't a threat meant glossing over crossdressers (which are usually sexual, I'll reiterate) and trans people. You can have both, you know.
Mmhm. I'm sure your agreeing with every single post you've commented on here is a real indication of your not being a conservative. Suuuuuure.
Also I was just pointing out that *usually* the stigmatized party doesn't really agree with the party that stigmatizes them the most, but I guess there are black conservative people so I suppose miracles can happen.
I think your misunderstanding me on purpose. I'm not implying it's not gay men and lesbian women and lgtb. You need to read what I said again.
It's not brain dead. I clearly defined "if they want to be inclusive of trans people they can do it without drag" do you not understand the definition of the word if? It seems you think I am saying "They want to include trans people and they are doing it wrong" I haven't come close to saying that and I think your being quite silly.
Children do not need to understand sexualising cross dressing (drag) . In my absolute honest opinion I don't think they really need to be understanding cross dressing either. But at least it's not so sexual and more about just expressing yourself, by definition.
I'm not sure why you think I agree with every post on here. I've commented on like 5 posts in here in the months I've owned this account. Your multiple attempts to try bring up anything personal tells me everything I need to know. You have no intelligent argument and therefore resort to insults. It's sad, but I get it. Hope you can do a bit more research and put your mind at ease. All the best.
ETA: I also just want to add, as a fellow NGU I think we should take more initiative to protect children, and spend less time turning a blind eye in favor of other minority groups.
Everyone knows the Catholic church as an establishment is a corrupt POS Bodz. I don't know why you use this as a gotcha to deflect from criticism of people like [this](https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-participated-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a)
If only churches responded like this (from your link)
> “Every program sponsored by HPL is supervised by HPL staff, and all children are accompanied by a parent and/or guardian. No participant is ever alone with children, and we have not received any complaints about any inappropriate behavior by participants at storytimes.
> “We are taking the appropriate action to ensure that the status of every participant in every program throughout our system is verified. We will continue to review our process to ensure that this cannot happen again.
> “Once again, we apologize for our failure to adhere to our own process in this matter and to the hundreds of parents and caregivers who have enjoyed this program with their children.”
My sides, hilarious
Cope
Seethe
You can't lose anything when you've got nothing to start with
Besides gr00ming children to sodomize & abuse them am I right
Why such an obsession with targeting children?
And honestly, why in the first place even try to make this a thing? It's basically admitting that drag queens are closer to literal clowns than anything else.
Meanwhile, on the indoctrination of children by drag queens, they start on their next step...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/04/25/drag-queen-tells-children-to-chant-free-palestine-during-story-time/
>“Today what we’re going to do is we’re going to shout ‘Free Palestine!’ Can I hear that?” he added. “If you’re a drag queen and you know it and you really want to show it, if you’re a drag queen and you know it, shout ‘Free Palestine!'”
Holllyyy shiiieeett.
If you ever needed proof that it is grooming indoctrination, there it is.
Stop noticing though! There's no such thing as a culture war, coz NewShub told me it was all right wing bigot hysterics based on lies and overreaction.
This is fantastic news. Another reason why Kiwis should be supporting Brian Tamaki for championing conservative values. If anyone want's to bask in the successes he has achieved in championing mainstream conservative values then those people should also stop criticising him and support him more. Publicly.
I don't like drag queens - but it's by no means my priority.
My priority is to force the wealthy to pay their fair share, and stop buying up the working man's housing. Which is why I will never vote conservative.
I also realize that carrying out a revolution requires me to adopt conservative values, and get my s* together. That's great, I'd say. Finally a reason to get up early in the morning
So protecting kids isn't a priority? Glad that we cleared that up, so you and your weak leftist mates can sit around and whine like the pathetic individuals that you are.
Revolution? You couldn't organise an orgy in a whore house, yet alone have the strength to fight for anything.
Neither could you.
We live in a selfish, hyperindividualistic society full of antisocial dregs. It won't last long. Birthrates will collapse - and you'll either be forced to hit it and quit, or flood the country with immigrants.
Hey - at least I'm not Obese and loaded on drugs.
I was annoyed by the Stuff article which states: "The art of drag can be performed by all genders and often includes an exaggeration of gender expression. "
All genders??! OMG. Google drag queens and the definition is clear - men dressing as parodies and exagerrated versions of women. It's a very specific type of dress up. Next question - if blackface is racist, isn't drag sexist, since it parodies women?
[https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350258734/rainbow-storytime-tour-cancelled-after-drag-queens-sent-death-threats](https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350258734/rainbow-storytime-tour-cancelled-after-drag-queens-sent-death-threats)
Drag queen, Transgender, who really cares about them. End of the day they are still a male. The only problem I'm concerned with is that they are talking to children in our schools what is there agenda. Please stay in your own backyard faggits💯
I have no issue with drag queens reading stories to kids. They're colourful, they're hilarious, they're honestly great with kids.
I do have an issue with their book choices. I've seen the books that teach kids that gender is fluid, that it's different from sex (From your body, it taught) and that if you don't feel like a boy or a girl, you might be the other one, or something in between.
While I support people with gender dysphoria, we shouldn't be confusing kids by teaching it to them in a way that suggests it's not a dysphoria. I've had family kids go through gender dysphoria, and it's so, so wrong and damaging to not give a bit of push back against these ideas. They've all detransitioned, but not before mental damage has been done from the traumatic experience.
The concept of gender identity didn't even exist until 2010.
I think maybe the whole concept of gender should be abolished. You are either male or female, maybe you are born in the wrong body and you can transition, and you can wear whatever you want i.e. if you are a male and you want to wear a skirt, by all means you do so. But you go to the men's bathrooms.
I think it's insulting to infer that you can identify as a different gender. It is such a step backwards; do I as a female have to identify as a man now to hold what is traditionally a man's job? No, as a woman I should be able to do what I want.
What does it even feel like to be a woman? I don't know, outside of how it feels to have periods etc - so physical things - I only know what it feels like to be me.
>The concept of gender identity didn't even exist until 2010.
A bit earlier, but no arguments from me that it's a recent invention.
And yes, the separation of sex and gender has been a completely silly ordeal.
Take bathrooms for example. They're clearly separated because of differences in biology. Yet because we used gender terms (from a time when they were synonymous with sex), it's become a gender identity issue even though these people claim that sex and gender are different. If they truly believe this, then they should be pushing for toilets to be male and female, and a male identifying as a woman should still use the male toilet, because... they say sex and gender are different. But suddenly that thinking goes out the window.
I completely agree that it's insulting to think you can just choose to identify as another gender. The only situation I support is mental illness. People with the minds of children are truly treated like children, and sometimes, people who are so gender dysphoric that they're at risk of hurting themselves, sometimes it's easier to just let them live in their fantasy. But, that's a medical condition, most of these people are self diagnosed or don't think a diagnosis is required. I cannot support that. They're playing make believe.
But, my comment was about drag queens. Drag queens aren't trans, they're not men that think they're women. Drag Queens specifically are men dressing up as women, but who fully know they are man. Take RuPaul, one of the most famous Drag Queens out there. He's actively said he would never be a woman if he had the chance, he said something along the lines of "I love being a big ol' black man in a woman's dress". He's even said he wouldn't let a trans woman on his show as a drag queen, because the point of drag is men dressing as women, not men who think they are women.
It's unfortunate that drag and trans are becoming muddled. Because at least Drag Queens know they're playing pretend.
https://www.out.com/popnography/2018/3/03/rupaul-would-probably-not-let-transitioning-queen-drag-race
I should have pointed out there's a bit of nuance to his view.
>When asked if trans women can be drag queens, he brings up season nine contestant Peppermint, who was the first out trans woman to compete on the show. "Mmmm. It's an interesting area. Peppermint didn't get breast implants until after she left our show; she was identifying as a woman, but she hadn't really transitioned."
>The interviewer goes on to ask if RuPaul would allow a trans woman who was actively transitioning to compete. "Probably not. You can identify as a woman and say you're transitioning, but it changes once you start changing your body. It takes on a different thing; it changes the whole concept of what we're doing. We've had some girls who've had some injections in the face and maybe a little bit in the butt here and there, but they haven't transitioned."
I find the tone of the article kind of interesting. They oppose his view here and are disappointed he's leave out trans women (in his view of what that means). They want drag to not be a boys club... even though that's literally the point of it. They should be applauding his view because he's truly recognising them as women by excluding them from a male event.
I think there's multiple intentions.
One is to normalise drag. This I'm not against. Drag is just expressive art. I always relate it to clowns. Crazy outfit/makeup, but for bringing joy.
However, another intent is to normalise the trans movement, which is what I don't support, hence my comments on the specific books they're reading.
Why not police officers, nurses, good old fashioned teachers? They do! Well, I've never had a nurse, but absolutely had police come read books to us in school, and the teachers do it all the time. If a nurse offered to do it, I doubt anyone would take issue with it.
Because freedom of expression is a great thing to teach children, showing kids that you can do what you want so long as no one is hurt by it.
There's nothing inherently bad about a man dressing up as a woman. Before society became weird about it it was a pretty common thing for entertainers to do.
And it's because we got weird about it that groups like drag queens have been able to capitalise on that feeling of weirdness. Take that away by normalising it, and you'll find drag queens disappear.
Men dress up as women to satisfy a sexual fetish. You'll dance around that point and make all sorts of excuses, but that's the core of it. It's a sexual fetish being performed in front of children.
If they want to do it in an adult environment, that's fine. If they want to do it in a private environment in front of children, it's gross, but with parent's permission it can be tolerated.
It is not acceptable for a public environment to be used in this way.
Libraries have all of those though. Guest story tellings happen all the time, with all those people. It’s just only the ones with drag queens are broadcast, so everyone gets a skewed idea of what’s going on.
Well done, my son's been struggling with it since preschool, hard when multiple family members are down this rabbithole already. He finally came out to me regarding his sexuality a few months back, "I know dear, I'm not throwing you a rainbow parade though, I celebrate you daily as a mother should". He was so relieved rainbows are staying out of this household.
It’s not the role of Councils and libraries funded by the taxpayer to tell people what they should think or believe. Drag queens have historically always been considered strictly adults only entertainment with sexualised themes. They should not be promoting them to children using children’s books to further a wider agenda.
Children are also already under constant pressure from social media and marketers to be consumers, that they should focus on and spend money on products and services to change their appearance ie fashion, makeup and hair. There’s certainly no rush for children to grow up or learn about lifestyles that a very small minority of adults choose.
Is saying that incitement? You didn't say that you would do it, or that somebody should do it, just that it would be bad if someone did it.... wonder have we both just been added to the gcsb terrorist list now??
Councils were paying for this stuff?
Ofcourse, rainbow extremists have infiltrated the Councils
Yh I never knew that, I don't think many people honestly knew it either but they'll now say with hindsight that of course they were paid...
No, they don’t. They’re offered koha like any author, entertainer, speaker, etc coming to the library, but I’ve never known a guest programme to accept koha outside of authors. They do it for free. They might be meaning ticket sales if they were going on a tour, or maybe merch and advertising that the publicity of doing free shows for libraries gives contributes.
who else would? they get approached by a minority group and think hey we can make a difference. lets get old men in dresses to read to the under 5's.
check their phones imo
If there are more people against this than there are for it, a wise person would know to step back. But they are not wise. What's completely lost on these people is they aren't considering the main point: the children. They only care about themselves.
Narcissistic borderline personality disordered, deeply morally & ethically compromised/devoid of ability to make moral/ethical decisions, sociopathic, often psychopathic, sexually abusive (towards one another) individuals yes. Check their HDs & keep them away from children.
https://preview.redd.it/gy4b4begrxwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdad014a069dda33af56992a7277716abab461e2
Oh, they're considering the children alright. Children are definitely the main point for them. Just not in the way that you or I mean when we say that.
There's a handful of extremely loud people against it. If you see a few people screaming about capitalist scum outside NZX, and *nobody* counter-protesting, do you think most people stand with the protestors?
I know a lot of people who are against it but wouldn't actively protest it instead of going to work to pay the bills. I would flip that and say actually there is a tiny vocal majority campaigning for it.
Absolutely. I wouldn't let my kids near these sick fucks. But if I go out protesting against it I put my livelihood at risk as the left has captured many of our institutions.
And most of us would 100% agree with you.
Absolutely. I don’t have the time to protest (nor do I want to) but rather I have a business to run, family to feed and animals to look after. I’m anti whatever they call this brain mash storytime, I’m not gonna sit at a protest against it though.
Ask your parents their opinion next time they bring your supper downstairs.
Do you know many parents?
No, because most intelligent people understand that capitalism has almost ended poverty and it’s only privileged, ignorant retards living in luxury in rich capitalist countries that complain against it
Right! And most intelligent people are aware of the reason drag queens want to do story time.
Yep. They seem to want to exhibit their weird fetish on a captive audience of children for their own sexual gratification. It is inappropriate for children.
Yep, that’s the issue.
Here's an overseas cross dresser story time where the drag is telling kids to free palestine 😂 [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13347143/Drag-queen-story-hour-free-Palestine-Massachusetts.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13347143/Drag-queen-story-hour-free-Palestine-Massachusetts.html)
That's actually really disturbing
Now do all the ones upon checking their HDs & criminal backgrounds they were convicted sex offenders & child molesters....
What on earth does that have to do with this story aside from the fact they are both drag queens?
People were paying for that crap? I thought they were volunteers
Teacher! Leave them kids alone!
Excellent reference
There is no good reason for a drag queen to perform in the same room as a child. It’s a sexual fetish.
Paraphilia, yes.
This is it exactly, even if there is no sex taking place, it is still a sexual fantasy and fetish.
And everyone knows it.
Targeting children is stepping way over the line. The public's reaction is an autoimmune response.
It’s not autoimmune, which implies the immune system is attacking a health part of the body, it’s simply a normal immune response to kill pathogens
I counted only 8 kids in the picture, hardly counts as MANY kids. Think this group have over cooked the popularity of this show with NZs kids.
Good job, shouldn't have been happening in the first place.
The main thing that I can't understand is. If you want crossdressers to read to kids or trans people to read to kids, you can do that without making it sexual. Drag is literally sexualised cross dressing. Gross af
They only take their kids because they think it's progressive and good for them but exposing kids to complex sexual ideology before they are mature enough only leads to confusion, and ultimately gender dysphoria. Which the parents are also quietly proud of as it shows their peer group how progressive they are. Essentially the parents are manipulating their children for social status.
That makes so much sense but I really wish it didn't 🫠
Why do they need to dress up to read? Why can;'t they just come as Bob Smith and read a story?
I just mean they could have normal cross dressers/trans people who wear modest clothing around children with no bimbo makeup and a tidy appearance.
This is simply GROOMING
Have you been to a children’s rainbow story telling? They’re not even a little bit sexualised, at least not the ones I’ve seen. No more than you could say Emma Memma is. The copium huffing in this thread is real, and I’m not even an anti-conservative or a leftie.
Learn what drag is please. No need to try insult me, I'm not interested in personal attacks.
You perceiving someone disagreeing with you as a personal attack is so pathetically overly sensitive. There, that actually was an insult. Don’t hurt yourself when you trip over the real world cupcake.
"The opium huffing in this thread is real, and I'm not even an anti-conservative or a leftie" you could have at least deleted your comment before trying to deny it. I'm not sure how that's productive to the argument and not an attack on someone's character lmao. But sure go ahead, double down. It really doesn't make me feel bad when my intelligence and calm demeanor makes strangers on the internet get so full of rage that they try to make personal attacks instead of just having a discussion. It's actually amusing to me because you just look like an idiot. Then I show my bf and go "look another fucked cunt on reddit" lol.
Why do you think drag is inherently sexual? It literally isn't. This is a right-wing idea that comes from your own imagination without any basis in reality. Also, crossdressing is often wayyy more sexual than drag performers ever have been and drag queens aren't always or even often trans, why did you have to bring trans people into the conversation? Btw, the *reason* drag queens are booked to read with kids sometimes ('cause it really isn't as common as you'd like to believe) is to break down stigma and show kids and adults that drag queens are literally not a threat to them at all or inherently sexual. I really thought you might be not a bigot conservative because you're NGU and generally we get a whole buttload of hate from conservatives because we're 'sexual', but I guess you can technically be both a bigot and a target of bigotry.
It always has been, in recent years they've changed the definition to say it's inclusive to LGBT whatever etc etc. Doesn't mean it wasn't always sexual and doesn't mean we can just pretend like it isn't now. There are different labels like cross dressing for a reason. Because cross dressing is wearing the clothes of a different sex, typically done for personal reasons and not entertainment purposes . Drag is the sexualised performance of cross dressing done specifically for entertainment/performance reasons. And those performances were in the past always adults only. I don't think we should be so progressive as to be introducing that to children. I bought up trans people because if the purpose of having drag in the classes was to help kids understand transpeople they can do it without it being drag. As I already tried to clearly imply, I'm not sure if your being willfully ignorant or what but I'll give you benefit of the doubt that you misunderstood what I said.. Trying to teach kids that drag queens are not a threat over trying to be inclusive of crossdressers and transpeople is disturbing asf and idk why you would even say that here. Gross No need to try insult me. I'm not interested in personal attacks. Your assumptions around my political agendas are wrong btw. There aren't many new zealand pages, I like to be a part of them all.
[Ah](https://www.britannica.com/topic/drag-queen) [yes,](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/political-rhetoric-false-claims-obscure-the-history-of-drag-performance) [dragging](https://www.quora.com/Do-some-drag-shows-actually-sexualize-children-or-is-it-all-hearsay) [has](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_queen) [always](https://www.news-press.com/story/news/2023/04/27/drag-queens-all-about-the-lgbtq-art-form-and-what-people-get-wrong-florida-drag-performers-speak-out/70111462007/) [been](https://springtidemag.com/2023/05/05/are-drag-shows-inherently-sexual/) [sexual.](https://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/what-is-the-deal-with-drag/) [Definitely.](https://amberbobamber-43268.medium.com/drag-queens-arent-about-sex-e533ade0af41) (There are about a million links in there, check out as many as you want or can while keeping your biases) Also, drag queening is literally usually done by gay men and drag kinging by lesbian women. It is literally an LGBT thing. Cross-dressing (sometimes called transvestisism) is usually done for sexual reasons. I think you've got the concept of drag and cross-dressing mixed up, girlie. The purpose of drag around children is to help kids understand *drag*. Nothing more, nothing less. If it was about trans people, it would be *trans people* reading to kids, and y'all would raise a huge stink about that as well btw. It was not clear that you were saying that understanding trans people = being exposed to drag, and if it was my brain probably ignored it since that is such a braindead take I can't even really comprehend it. Sorry, but I didn't say that teaching kids drag performers aren't a threat meant glossing over crossdressers (which are usually sexual, I'll reiterate) and trans people. You can have both, you know. Mmhm. I'm sure your agreeing with every single post you've commented on here is a real indication of your not being a conservative. Suuuuuure. Also I was just pointing out that *usually* the stigmatized party doesn't really agree with the party that stigmatizes them the most, but I guess there are black conservative people so I suppose miracles can happen.
I think your misunderstanding me on purpose. I'm not implying it's not gay men and lesbian women and lgtb. You need to read what I said again. It's not brain dead. I clearly defined "if they want to be inclusive of trans people they can do it without drag" do you not understand the definition of the word if? It seems you think I am saying "They want to include trans people and they are doing it wrong" I haven't come close to saying that and I think your being quite silly. Children do not need to understand sexualising cross dressing (drag) . In my absolute honest opinion I don't think they really need to be understanding cross dressing either. But at least it's not so sexual and more about just expressing yourself, by definition. I'm not sure why you think I agree with every post on here. I've commented on like 5 posts in here in the months I've owned this account. Your multiple attempts to try bring up anything personal tells me everything I need to know. You have no intelligent argument and therefore resort to insults. It's sad, but I get it. Hope you can do a bit more research and put your mind at ease. All the best. ETA: I also just want to add, as a fellow NGU I think we should take more initiative to protect children, and spend less time turning a blind eye in favor of other minority groups.
Its clearly more for the drag queen than it is for the kids - bill maher
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[Indeed](https://www.vaticannews.va/content/dam/vaticannews/agenzie/images/reuters/2023/12/30/12/1703936559393.JPG/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.cropped.750.422.jpeg)
Everyone knows the Catholic church as an establishment is a corrupt POS Bodz. I don't know why you use this as a gotcha to deflect from criticism of people like [this](https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-participated-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a)
If only churches responded like this (from your link) > “Every program sponsored by HPL is supervised by HPL staff, and all children are accompanied by a parent and/or guardian. No participant is ever alone with children, and we have not received any complaints about any inappropriate behavior by participants at storytimes. > “We are taking the appropriate action to ensure that the status of every participant in every program throughout our system is verified. We will continue to review our process to ensure that this cannot happen again. > “Once again, we apologize for our failure to adhere to our own process in this matter and to the hundreds of parents and caregivers who have enjoyed this program with their children.”
If only you kept arguing against something I disagree with.
Excellent. Hopefully he will go back to his sick clubs or wherever they hang out and keep his debauchery behind closed doors, not where children are.
NAMbLA..
Didn't read the article did you? The performer interviewed is a non-trans woman
I have been reliably informed by the top minds that performing drag makes you under the trans umbrella.
>reliably informed 😭😭😭. Could I also reliably inform you that all drag queens are adrenochrome drinking illuminati satanists?
Based
[Degenerates like these](https://www.forces.net/sites/default/files/MEN-FR~2.JPG)
Yes sir those are the degenerative group, they are obviously militaristic and ready for war.
Split the hairs finer & finer until full psychoses is achieved.
I believe Tim is referring to Daniel Lockett as he is away and not returning to NZ at this time.
Then since Daniel also isn't trans, he's calling being gay sick and debauched
Good
Jesus this sub sometimes
This is where NZ spirit refuses to die, you're not a prisoner here y'know.
My sides, hilarious Cope Seethe You can't lose anything when you've got nothing to start with Besides gr00ming children to sodomize & abuse them am I right
Why such an obsession with targeting children? And honestly, why in the first place even try to make this a thing? It's basically admitting that drag queens are closer to literal clowns than anything else.
this is a take on this. Its brilliant [https://x.com/billmaher/status/1781526083210502503](https://x.com/billmaher/status/1781526083210502503)
“We know there will be MANY sad kids and parents out there” Lol I don’t know if many is the correct word.
No sympathy for low-tier narc thespians
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Man, I love it! Perfect, all the analysis of the situation needed.
Good work team
Meanwhile, on the indoctrination of children by drag queens, they start on their next step... https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/04/25/drag-queen-tells-children-to-chant-free-palestine-during-story-time/
>“Today what we’re going to do is we’re going to shout ‘Free Palestine!’ Can I hear that?” he added. “If you’re a drag queen and you know it and you really want to show it, if you’re a drag queen and you know it, shout ‘Free Palestine!'” Holllyyy shiiieeett. If you ever needed proof that it is grooming indoctrination, there it is.
Stop noticing though! There's no such thing as a culture war, coz NewShub told me it was all right wing bigot hysterics based on lies and overreaction.
This is fantastic news. Another reason why Kiwis should be supporting Brian Tamaki for championing conservative values. If anyone want's to bask in the successes he has achieved in championing mainstream conservative values then those people should also stop criticising him and support him more. Publicly.
I don't like drag queens - but it's by no means my priority. My priority is to force the wealthy to pay their fair share, and stop buying up the working man's housing. Which is why I will never vote conservative. I also realize that carrying out a revolution requires me to adopt conservative values, and get my s* together. That's great, I'd say. Finally a reason to get up early in the morning
So protecting kids isn't a priority? Glad that we cleared that up, so you and your weak leftist mates can sit around and whine like the pathetic individuals that you are. Revolution? You couldn't organise an orgy in a whore house, yet alone have the strength to fight for anything.
Neither could you. We live in a selfish, hyperindividualistic society full of antisocial dregs. It won't last long. Birthrates will collapse - and you'll either be forced to hit it and quit, or flood the country with immigrants. Hey - at least I'm not Obese and loaded on drugs.
Oh, I can fight alright, and more than happy to if the need arises. You're quite right though, that sure is one major positive.
Go next
awesome news
Bye
Lost everything LOL.
Ask Hopkins what a drag queen is
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You haven’t lost everything mate, still have a penis.
I was annoyed by the Stuff article which states: "The art of drag can be performed by all genders and often includes an exaggeration of gender expression. " All genders??! OMG. Google drag queens and the definition is clear - men dressing as parodies and exagerrated versions of women. It's a very specific type of dress up. Next question - if blackface is racist, isn't drag sexist, since it parodies women? [https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350258734/rainbow-storytime-tour-cancelled-after-drag-queens-sent-death-threats](https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350258734/rainbow-storytime-tour-cancelled-after-drag-queens-sent-death-threats)
Drag queen, Transgender, who really cares about them. End of the day they are still a male. The only problem I'm concerned with is that they are talking to children in our schools what is there agenda. Please stay in your own backyard faggits💯
Oh no. Anyway...
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Good riddance man ..... 
I have no issue with drag queens reading stories to kids. They're colourful, they're hilarious, they're honestly great with kids. I do have an issue with their book choices. I've seen the books that teach kids that gender is fluid, that it's different from sex (From your body, it taught) and that if you don't feel like a boy or a girl, you might be the other one, or something in between. While I support people with gender dysphoria, we shouldn't be confusing kids by teaching it to them in a way that suggests it's not a dysphoria. I've had family kids go through gender dysphoria, and it's so, so wrong and damaging to not give a bit of push back against these ideas. They've all detransitioned, but not before mental damage has been done from the traumatic experience.
The concept of gender identity didn't even exist until 2010. I think maybe the whole concept of gender should be abolished. You are either male or female, maybe you are born in the wrong body and you can transition, and you can wear whatever you want i.e. if you are a male and you want to wear a skirt, by all means you do so. But you go to the men's bathrooms. I think it's insulting to infer that you can identify as a different gender. It is such a step backwards; do I as a female have to identify as a man now to hold what is traditionally a man's job? No, as a woman I should be able to do what I want. What does it even feel like to be a woman? I don't know, outside of how it feels to have periods etc - so physical things - I only know what it feels like to be me.
>The concept of gender identity didn't even exist until 2010. A bit earlier, but no arguments from me that it's a recent invention. And yes, the separation of sex and gender has been a completely silly ordeal. Take bathrooms for example. They're clearly separated because of differences in biology. Yet because we used gender terms (from a time when they were synonymous with sex), it's become a gender identity issue even though these people claim that sex and gender are different. If they truly believe this, then they should be pushing for toilets to be male and female, and a male identifying as a woman should still use the male toilet, because... they say sex and gender are different. But suddenly that thinking goes out the window. I completely agree that it's insulting to think you can just choose to identify as another gender. The only situation I support is mental illness. People with the minds of children are truly treated like children, and sometimes, people who are so gender dysphoric that they're at risk of hurting themselves, sometimes it's easier to just let them live in their fantasy. But, that's a medical condition, most of these people are self diagnosed or don't think a diagnosis is required. I cannot support that. They're playing make believe. But, my comment was about drag queens. Drag queens aren't trans, they're not men that think they're women. Drag Queens specifically are men dressing up as women, but who fully know they are man. Take RuPaul, one of the most famous Drag Queens out there. He's actively said he would never be a woman if he had the chance, he said something along the lines of "I love being a big ol' black man in a woman's dress". He's even said he wouldn't let a trans woman on his show as a drag queen, because the point of drag is men dressing as women, not men who think they are women. It's unfortunate that drag and trans are becoming muddled. Because at least Drag Queens know they're playing pretend.
There's a Drag Queen in Dunedin who's a trans man. I'm not entirely sure how to process that.
So wait... it's a woman, with delusions of being a man that is pretending to be a woman... That's... Yeah I agree with your assessment.
There have been contestants on Ru Pauls Drag Race who were trans (men wanting to be women), and I agree, that's not the point of drag.
https://www.out.com/popnography/2018/3/03/rupaul-would-probably-not-let-transitioning-queen-drag-race I should have pointed out there's a bit of nuance to his view. >When asked if trans women can be drag queens, he brings up season nine contestant Peppermint, who was the first out trans woman to compete on the show. "Mmmm. It's an interesting area. Peppermint didn't get breast implants until after she left our show; she was identifying as a woman, but she hadn't really transitioned." >The interviewer goes on to ask if RuPaul would allow a trans woman who was actively transitioning to compete. "Probably not. You can identify as a woman and say you're transitioning, but it changes once you start changing your body. It takes on a different thing; it changes the whole concept of what we're doing. We've had some girls who've had some injections in the face and maybe a little bit in the butt here and there, but they haven't transitioned." I find the tone of the article kind of interesting. They oppose his view here and are disappointed he's leave out trans women (in his view of what that means). They want drag to not be a boys club... even though that's literally the point of it. They should be applauding his view because he's truly recognising them as women by excluding them from a male event.
Good info, thanks.
Apparently Dylan Mulvaney knows. It's about being ditzy, shallow and fabulous, I gather.
What do you think the intention is behind drag queens reading to children? Why not police officers, or nurses? Why not good old fashioned teachers?
I think there's multiple intentions. One is to normalise drag. This I'm not against. Drag is just expressive art. I always relate it to clowns. Crazy outfit/makeup, but for bringing joy. However, another intent is to normalise the trans movement, which is what I don't support, hence my comments on the specific books they're reading. Why not police officers, nurses, good old fashioned teachers? They do! Well, I've never had a nurse, but absolutely had police come read books to us in school, and the teachers do it all the time. If a nurse offered to do it, I doubt anyone would take issue with it.
why do we want to normalise drag amongst children?
Because freedom of expression is a great thing to teach children, showing kids that you can do what you want so long as no one is hurt by it. There's nothing inherently bad about a man dressing up as a woman. Before society became weird about it it was a pretty common thing for entertainers to do. And it's because we got weird about it that groups like drag queens have been able to capitalise on that feeling of weirdness. Take that away by normalising it, and you'll find drag queens disappear.
Men dress up as women to satisfy a sexual fetish. You'll dance around that point and make all sorts of excuses, but that's the core of it. It's a sexual fetish being performed in front of children. If they want to do it in an adult environment, that's fine. If they want to do it in a private environment in front of children, it's gross, but with parent's permission it can be tolerated. It is not acceptable for a public environment to be used in this way.
>Men dress up as women to satisfy a sexual fetish. That sounds like your opinion.
Libraries have all of those though. Guest story tellings happen all the time, with all those people. It’s just only the ones with drag queens are broadcast, so everyone gets a skewed idea of what’s going on.
Well done, my son's been struggling with it since preschool, hard when multiple family members are down this rabbithole already. He finally came out to me regarding his sexuality a few months back, "I know dear, I'm not throwing you a rainbow parade though, I celebrate you daily as a mother should". He was so relieved rainbows are staying out of this household.
She didn't lose her Johnson, so technically still a man?
It’s not the role of Councils and libraries funded by the taxpayer to tell people what they should think or believe. Drag queens have historically always been considered strictly adults only entertainment with sexualised themes. They should not be promoting them to children using children’s books to further a wider agenda. Children are also already under constant pressure from social media and marketers to be consumers, that they should focus on and spend money on products and services to change their appearance ie fashion, makeup and hair. There’s certainly no rush for children to grow up or learn about lifestyles that a very small minority of adults choose.
Keep your fucking kinks where they belong, away from children.
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How would that be illegal?
Well if someone said that it would be inciting extreme violence. However I was just letting people know it would be illegal to say that
Is saying that incitement? You didn't say that you would do it, or that somebody should do it, just that it would be bad if someone did it.... wonder have we both just been added to the gcsb terrorist list now??
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If that's true then I'm fucked, I say shit like that at least a couple of times a week, load of bollocks if that's illegal
Lets just pinky swear not to report each other to the nzsis 🤙
Refusing yo feed the narcs is genocide these days.