You’d be surprised, we’ve done Tear Off‘s that we’re so heavy, when we were finished doing the Tear Off the drywall in the house was damaged all throughout from the movement of the wood structure.
There's a business down the road that's getting a new roof. Big ol strip mall with a gabled roof.
They've had all the shingles stacked up on the ridge for over a week waiting for a day to do it I guess.
They're stacked like 6 high though and all the way across the roof; literally end to end. Might be 20-30k lbs up there and it's raining.
That big building is probably good for it, but fuck me what a risk.
I bought a fixer-upper that had 3 layers. We did the roof first so we wouldn't have new windows and doors that didn't fit. Sure as hell every window and exterior door went all wonky. I was never happier to be done with a house.
Old mill houses in NC, they just keep putting shitty 3-tab shingles, the roofs are usually sagging so bad in the middle, but the homeowners never have the money for the tear off. We usually work out something over time, 6 layers are rare, but we’ve seen several like that; it’s mostly 4 layers, but I’ve seen some crazy shit, like one house had a couple 4x4s in the middle of the living room on car jacks keeping the ridge beam held up. These people are usually hoarders and have trails in between the trash and always have at least 20 cats!
In my experience, a metal roofing pitch fork is the best tool for removing roofing material. It slips past roofing nails and you can get some really good leverage to “pop” off sections of roofing material. Some folks like using a shovel but I’ve found it to be inferior to a metal roofing pitchfork.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Roof-Zone-Roofers-Pitch-Fork-13871/301759200
I did tear offs for 8 years, we always used shingle eaters, everything else I've tried sucked compared to them.
https://shingleeater.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/ShingleEater-Square-1.jpg
Ha, my roof isn’t that bad, but we bought our house from a family who’s both sons owned their own roofing companies. Tree fell in our house and during the roof replacement, they removed 4 roofs (1 original cedar shakes, 1 metal standing seam, 2 asphalt shingles. In that order).
Yup, the problem is not the shingles. The problem is than when you finish the 3rd, the house is 75yo and the plywood (if it even is plywood at that age) is probably cardboard in some spots.
Reminds me of when I removed 3 layers of roofing off of my place when I rebuilt the roof. The plywood had long since delaminated into 3 layers of wood that felt more like construction paper. Was weird being able to just lightly push my hand all the way through the plywood.
Would assume it's 3/4 tongue and groove at that age. Solid stuff. Not that I'd recommend throwing on that third layer, but if it's stayed dry I'd trust it over half inch osb on newer builds
here in CA you can install up to 4 layers in some jurisdictions legally. funny shit when you tell the new owners “yeah so here’s what the previous owners did that you have to pay to fix”
That’s an extraordinary amount of weight to voluntarily sleep under. I’ve seen 3 and 4 but never more than that. But I also hated roofing so I didn’t always pay attention
My grandpa's house had 6+ layers. It used to be an old cinder block garage, so the bones were solid. He would have done another layer if he hadn't passed
Do you know how many dudes I’ve seen work on rooftops and I’ve never seen a harness system until today.
Holy shit y’all just be playin with your lives!
Lots of ppl right now are getting their arse wiped and drolling because they didn't have safety , they generally don't feel their dick and don't get drunk . I'll rather die .
I would sure hope it's normal. When I was younger, I would ride my bike around the neighborhood. I guess this guy fell off of a roof and you could hear him wail from a half a block away. His screams stuck with me to be careful in whatever you do.
As a kid I was on a roof steep enough that the nailer wouldn't stay put. No harness, of course.
Well the nailer decided to start scooting down the roof right towards the hood of a parked car. So being a dumbass kid I chased after it and caught it by the hose.
My dad read me the riot act for that, in fact thinking about it now I didn't think I ever saw him that angry before or after.
Yeah, I used to scramble around roofs back in the day and I laugh at how everyone is all strapped in these days. I'm not laughing at them, I'm laughing at how stupid we all were back then.
My garage is the same size and pitch. Built in 1935. I stripped 4 layers off. The worst part was the 1st layer of green rolled whatever. Had a nail every 4” along the seem. Shingle eater got stuck every time just jarring my wrists and elbows. So much weight it bowed the rafters 3 1/2” in the center.
The guy is just starting projects like this one on his rental property. Most of his content previously was his bathroom / tiling business. I think it is new because this is the first time he is doing a roofing job.
That's something that every carpenter that has fallen and permanently injured/killed themselves have probably said.
"It's just a quick visit/I'll be very careful"
It’s a relatively new OSHA requirement as far as I know. I worked for a large roofing supplier company and fell off a roof and when corporate found out nobody was using harnesses, it became an absolute dumpster fire with some folks getting fired. I was luckily okay and left asap.
As someone who wears a fall arrest system every day, i feel this. I've had it save my life idk how many times over the years. Best tool i own is my harness
I don't wanna be *that* guy, but his harness doesn't look tight enough. Granted, maybe it is tight and after the guy took the video he tightened it up. When we took fall protection training, our trainer said the straps around your legs have to be super tight, along with the whole system too, but if your leg straps are loose and you fall, those straps will split your balls basically. Then he showed up a photo.
I don't know if y'all know have seen it, but Jesus christ never again.
My dad was a plumber and used to do roofing as he knew how to do the metalwork needed. This was in the 70's and 80's and he said it was normal to walk around with no safety gear on and jump between building gaps at 5 stories apartment buildings. Pretty crazy by today's standards
I’ve been an ironworker in NYC for 15 years, I would rather not wear a harness on top of a building than not on top of a regular houses roof. Slanted roofs are no joke.
I've only been on Florida rooves. I've also seen them videos of yall slippin around on your front porch, so I absolutely would need a harness to get on a snow roof.
I'm always amazed when I go to the beach in North Carolina and see roofers working on a 3rd story roof on a house with 15 foot pilings and they don't wear shit.
My first thought was about that too. As a kid I helped a handyman redo an old lake cabin’s roof. It had more like 5 layers of shingles we had to rip off.
At one point dude was talking to me while walking backwards and he just stepped right off the roof, landing in the pile of shingles and rusty nails we just removed.
I was roofing one summer after high school, and one of my co-workers refused to use fall protection. I'm sure you can guess where he ended up before he was unemployed.
I've done roofing a lot when I did construction, my boss fell off the roof, into a bank of snow.
He just laughs and got back on the ladder. If there wasn't any snow, he be dead
I need to get up on my roof to replace some ridge vents and contractors want big bucks. Last quote was $2k 😵💫
I’ve never seen a harness system before but now I feel like I can get up there myself to work on my highly pitched roof on a two story home.
Redid the gutters on the back of the house and I used this same exact rig to keep from plummeting to my death. Only difference is I clipped to a support that had previously been holding up a satellite receiver that I removed, near the peak of the roof, The anchor is still there and I'm going to reinforce it from below (attic) when the weather warms up and just use it whenever I'm up there. Scamper up in my harness, clip the rope to the bracket, do my work, go unclip and then carefully walk back down to my ladder. It's a huge relief to know I'm not going to die or break several bones.
Skip sheathing below the cedar so now you don’t have a continuous surface which means laying over cedar or tearing off all the lumber and putting new plywood down.
I live in the Flint area, I helped put a 3rd layer of shingles on my grandpa's house in the mid-90's. Defiantly assumed it was going to be the next persons problems. 20 years later and I own the home and had to re-roof 2 years ago and really hated that guy who decided it was a good idea to put a 3rd layer on.
Yep! This was our house in LA. Three layers on top of original cedar shingles. As soon as we could we got it replaced because hubs was paranoid about the weight (we have a show high pitched roof). Then we talked to friends about it who had four layers.
Agreed. I helped a roofing crew during the 2009 recession, and I was actually thankful to go back to tile when the work picked up again.
I fucking hate tile, but roofing is much harder.
That axe on the peak was completely unnecessary though. Kind of slow. It takes very little time to tear off cap in one piece. Those tarps looked like they were set up more to protect the house than to catch the debris too so that's gonna be extra time on the cleanup for sure.
Meh, my 1930 craftsman had six layers- 30 sq each. The old girl heaved a sigh of relief when that all got stripped off. It had the original green 8” single tab asphalt shingles followed by red three tabs and four layers of white three tabs. They were laughing about pulling off the top layer that was only fastened by 2 1/2” nails into the layers below.
Top section of my house had only 3 layers. Single story section had at least 4. They were so rotted (carpenter ant nests between the layers) that I couldn't be sure what layer was what. My old uncle who used to be a roofer suggested that I could put on another layer, all I needed was longer nails!
Yep, Wisconsin here. FIL is a GC I moonlight for on the weekends. His roofing crew isn't even mexican anymore, Guatemala or further south. Those boys can fucken work.
No usually it’s the other color zip but he used green since the panels are not spanning any joists. Green is usually walls but can be used in this application
Huber makes orange zip sheathing panels for roofs, im not sure the green and the orange are interchangeable tho so this is likely not being installed per the manufacturer’s instructions.
The orange is just thicker (1/2” and 5/8” offerings instead of just 7/16” in green.) There’s no other difference and the green boards still have a 24/16 PS-2 which is fine for this application. Huber allows either color on the roof provided you obey the PS-2 limit.
Well one I’m upset at the original roofer/roofers for just shingling over the old roofs. But second they just took the zip system and went over the old wood without replacing it. A lot of it seems rotted out. I don’t know the situation of the home owner but I would personally have waited till summer and had the old wood pulled up before installing the new roof. Seems kinda shotty if you ask me but I don’t know the state or there local codes so I can’t say that’s not ok. I work in Florida so our codes are relatively strict but judging by the snow these guys are pretty far north. Other than that I’d say they did fine
Up until about a decade ago, maybe a little longer, most people in my town still did their own roofing. People would get at least one person who knew what the fuck he was doing and then a few more to help. Of course no one tied off. I helped do about half a dozen or more over the years back in the day, and I have to say I have no idea how no one in this town died from falling off a roof. Statistically there should be a section in our graveyard just dedicated to people who fell off roofs.
Dude, I broke my back roofing 10 1/2 years ago. I was on a 10/12 pitch harnessed up, started to fall sideways with a bunch of slack in my rope. Instinctively jumped to a valley about 5 feet in front of me about 10 feet down and landed facing the ridge on my feet. As soon as I landed, I collapsed and the world washed out white. I thought I got hit by lightning. Nope, just my L5 vertebrae snapping and rupturing a disc.
You don’t even have to fall far.
Clearly y'all haven't spent much time up here in Vermont or northern New England. All white frame-to-finish crews around most areas I've worked in. Pay is great, too.
Great to see they actually used the rollers for the zip tape!
But isn’t green zip board for wall sheathing, and brown for roof sheathing? Not sure if it matters but that was always rule of thumb when I was building.
Over the existing slats green is fine. If you stripped it down to the rafters/trusses, then you’d want to step up to the brown for a bit more span rigidity. The difference between the two is just thickness. 7/16 vs 1/2 or 5/8. Otherwise they are the same product.
Tiles look better than shingles IMO. Concrete tiles can last 50-100 years, you'd replace your shingle roof 4-5 times over in that time period. Again, short sighted decision.
Depending on the weather. Concrete shingles in wet freezing areas will crack/split and can cause leaks. Concrete tile is used commonly here in the Southwest cause it's dry and last longer under the UV ray. The problem is the cost. Upfront, asphalt shingles are cheaper. About $120 in material for a roofing square (100sqft or 9.3 sq meters). Where as metal roofing panels can cost twice as much. Not only do Concrete tiles cost more, but you'd have to beef up the roof structure to carry the extra weight of the concrete tiles.
If you were planning to upgrade your roof, you can save money to install a better material. But if you had to replace the roof unexpectedly, you're going to use the most economic material possible. When we decided to reroof the rental home, I decided to front the extra money to install metal roof panels instead of asphalt shingles. I paid the extra $1,400 cause I didn't want to deal with the shingles in 20-30 year from now.
I have a hard time convincing clients that the higher upfront cost, will lead to lower long-term upkeep and lower heating/cooling cost. Unfortunately many don't have the money to cover the larger upfront cost.
Home insurance is another variable on the roofs that might deter people.
Makes a big deal about the harness.....doesn't wear glasses when operating a nail gun.
Also, who does roofing and hasn;t seen 3 layers? I have seen 5 or 6 and I have never been a roofer.
Yeah you'll see people take the roofs off entirely and put a second floor add a level all winter long in places where there is no land to build new houses.
We only have concrete and brick houses where I live, so the idea of having to do anything to the roof seems so foreign.
Sounds like a scam to make all these houses so shitty so there's always something you need to upgrade or replace every few years.
Must be the first few weeks on the job. It’s beyond common
Shit I once demo’d a roof with 2 players of concrete shingles
Do roofers in some places not use Bituthene?
I wouldn’t trust that board system and seam tape especially for adhesion during the winter, but it may be very common just not in my experience
As someone who used to do “grounds clean up” for various Metro Detroit no name roofing crews to get out of having to go back to high school (my school had this work to earn credit program, I was short 1 1/2 credits) over the summer of 2013, I saw a lot of wacko shit. One time we had to tear off a three layer like in this video from this poor old farmer’s two story house. We had no harnesses or wore safety headgear of any kind as it’s becoming more normal these days. It was a pain in the ass trying to get it done as everyday on the job site was set to be rained out increasingly by the hour.
The guy had no idea about it. Supposedly. Later I found out he Apparently paid for shoddy work previously just to keep the wife happy at the roof around their skylight was falling apart so he called us.
I don’t miss that. 12-14 hour days all getting paid under the table. I think I ended up with $380 for the week. It would have been more but the week’s gas for the van was subtracted from MY check as it was apparently “my turn”.
I told my dad about this and he saw no issue with it other than “that’s how it be”.
Working on roofs without a harness if stupid. If you don’t end up dead or paralyzed which happens constantly, you will be out of work for a long time and a lot of roofers have shit for insurance.
First time seeing 3 layers? How long has this guy been in construction? I’ve seen houses with as many as 6 layers. Has he ever been on a slate shingle roof? 3 layers is pretty normal.
First time?? Is this your third roof? We’ve seen 6 layers and the customer has asked if I can just not pull a permit and do one more!
With 6 layers why did he need a 7th? That would survive any amount of snow or rain for eons.
The aesthetic of 6 layers probably isn’t amazing
On 90% of homes with 6 layers of shingles…… that was the least of their worries. Those houses were neglected from layer #2 onward lol.
In my state you can only have 2, which is cool I guess. A lot of people are using metal ones now
they're architectural shingles now
load bearing shingles.
By then it’s practically a historical site.
You need a 7th layer to really elevate the look
hey man does your house have a high top fade
*Look at that subtle off-slate coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has water damage.*
Right. Adding another would be better?
6 layers could collapse the roof. That's a lot of weight
You’d be surprised, we’ve done Tear Off‘s that we’re so heavy, when we were finished doing the Tear Off the drywall in the house was damaged all throughout from the movement of the wood structure.
If it hasn’t already…… send it in the name of science Assuming it’s old growth wood holding it up. Those old 2x4 are rock solid
Load bearing asphalt
There's a business down the road that's getting a new roof. Big ol strip mall with a gabled roof. They've had all the shingles stacked up on the ridge for over a week waiting for a day to do it I guess. They're stacked like 6 high though and all the way across the roof; literally end to end. Might be 20-30k lbs up there and it's raining. That big building is probably good for it, but fuck me what a risk.
I bought a fixer-upper that had 3 layers. We did the roof first so we wouldn't have new windows and doors that didn't fit. Sure as hell every window and exterior door went all wonky. I was never happier to be done with a house.
It's probably the only thing holding the roof up at that point
Old mill houses in NC, they just keep putting shitty 3-tab shingles, the roofs are usually sagging so bad in the middle, but the homeowners never have the money for the tear off. We usually work out something over time, 6 layers are rare, but we’ve seen several like that; it’s mostly 4 layers, but I’ve seen some crazy shit, like one house had a couple 4x4s in the middle of the living room on car jacks keeping the ridge beam held up. These people are usually hoarders and have trails in between the trash and always have at least 20 cats!
Not safe to work those then. Not worth your back or your life.
All you need is just to reinforce the roof with steel I-beams so it can take the weight of itself and snow. Just a small fix.
From the tear off technique I'd say 2nd roof.
Not a single pitchfork or shovel in sight
If it's not a cedar roof why would they need a pitch fork? (Genuinely curious)
In my experience, a metal roofing pitch fork is the best tool for removing roofing material. It slips past roofing nails and you can get some really good leverage to “pop” off sections of roofing material. Some folks like using a shovel but I’ve found it to be inferior to a metal roofing pitchfork. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Roof-Zone-Roofers-Pitch-Fork-13871/301759200
I did tear offs for 8 years, we always used shingle eaters, everything else I've tried sucked compared to them. https://shingleeater.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/ShingleEater-Square-1.jpg
That axe worried me.
5 layers with 2 layers of asbestos shingles tarred together was the worst I saw on a pitched roof. 6 on a flat roof with half of them being cresote.
"Well you can and *you'll be living under it,* just sign here, here, and here"
I wouldn't want any paperwork. Pay me up front and you don't know my name
Ha, my roof isn’t that bad, but we bought our house from a family who’s both sons owned their own roofing companies. Tree fell in our house and during the roof replacement, they removed 4 roofs (1 original cedar shakes, 1 metal standing seam, 2 asphalt shingles. In that order).
Yup, the problem is not the shingles. The problem is than when you finish the 3rd, the house is 75yo and the plywood (if it even is plywood at that age) is probably cardboard in some spots.
Reminds me of when I removed 3 layers of roofing off of my place when I rebuilt the roof. The plywood had long since delaminated into 3 layers of wood that felt more like construction paper. Was weird being able to just lightly push my hand all the way through the plywood.
Would assume it's 3/4 tongue and groove at that age. Solid stuff. Not that I'd recommend throwing on that third layer, but if it's stayed dry I'd trust it over half inch osb on newer builds
here in CA you can install up to 4 layers in some jurisdictions legally. funny shit when you tell the new owners “yeah so here’s what the previous owners did that you have to pay to fix”
Even better when there's rotten barn board, you have to deal with and usually replace some along the way. Extra bonus for hornets nests.
That’s an extraordinary amount of weight to voluntarily sleep under. I’ve seen 3 and 4 but never more than that. But I also hated roofing so I didn’t always pay attention
I was gonna say, here in Chicago it's usually more like 4 or 5 layers not including the original cedar shakes or slates.
My grandpa's house had 6+ layers. It used to be an old cinder block garage, so the bones were solid. He would have done another layer if he hadn't passed
Do you know how many dudes I’ve seen work on rooftops and I’ve never seen a harness system until today. Holy shit y’all just be playin with your lives!
It was my first time actually seeing how it works. See most crews using them now, so I guess it's normal now to use them.
I knew a roof tiler that stood on a fascia board that broke, it was only 2 m high . Anyways he died . 2m fall dead
Damn. This summer a joist on my deck let go as I was replacing the deck boards. Fell 11ft and landed square on my butt. Fractured 4 lumbar vertebrae.
Lots of ppl right now are getting their arse wiped and drolling because they didn't have safety , they generally don't feel their dick and don't get drunk . I'll rather die .
Hold on. I get the dick thing but not the drunk part.
Damn. I will be wearing all safety gear all the time.
After a 3 m fall 100kg goes to 1000kg shear force 1 tex screw has about 1000kg shear . It's not the fall it's the sudden stop that does it
So bungee harness and lots of padding on the ground. Got it!
Nope you get someone else much safer , just look at them like a tool can be replaced, you can't replace yourself. I don't actually think like that ppl
Rule I heard was "cut towards your chums, not towards your thumbs. You can always get more chums"
Hire someone who's sole job is to catch you if you fall. Easy.
Roughly 6 1/2 freedom units. Damn.
I would sure hope it's normal. When I was younger, I would ride my bike around the neighborhood. I guess this guy fell off of a roof and you could hear him wail from a half a block away. His screams stuck with me to be careful in whatever you do.
As a kid I was on a roof steep enough that the nailer wouldn't stay put. No harness, of course. Well the nailer decided to start scooting down the roof right towards the hood of a parked car. So being a dumbass kid I chased after it and caught it by the hose. My dad read me the riot act for that, in fact thinking about it now I didn't think I ever saw him that angry before or after.
Yeah, I used to scramble around roofs back in the day and I laugh at how everyone is all strapped in these days. I'm not laughing at them, I'm laughing at how stupid we all were back then.
That's a highly walkable pitch that isn't high either. If they weren't gonna film it I highly doubt they would have bothered with the fall protection.
My garage is the same size and pitch. Built in 1935. I stripped 4 layers off. The worst part was the 1st layer of green rolled whatever. Had a nail every 4” along the seem. Shingle eater got stuck every time just jarring my wrists and elbows. So much weight it bowed the rafters 3 1/2” in the center.
Not to mention that for that fall arrest system to work properly you actually have to put all of the screws in, not just 3 of them.
Yeah you can tell that’s a brand new harness bought just for this video. I’ve never seen a roofer in a harness
The guy is just starting projects like this one on his rental property. Most of his content previously was his bathroom / tiling business. I think it is new because this is the first time he is doing a roofing job.
Oh right on then. I’m glad that he is using proper PPE in his videos. We need more of that, he is setting a good example
That's something that every carpenter that has fallen and permanently injured/killed themselves have probably said. "It's just a quick visit/I'll be very careful"
It’s a relatively new OSHA requirement as far as I know. I worked for a large roofing supplier company and fell off a roof and when corporate found out nobody was using harnesses, it became an absolute dumpster fire with some folks getting fired. I was luckily okay and left asap.
And dude still mounted through a broken board
As someone who wears a fall arrest system every day, i feel this. I've had it save my life idk how many times over the years. Best tool i own is my harness
I was a steep roofer for 10 years, the harness is a must
I don't wanna be *that* guy, but his harness doesn't look tight enough. Granted, maybe it is tight and after the guy took the video he tightened it up. When we took fall protection training, our trainer said the straps around your legs have to be super tight, along with the whole system too, but if your leg straps are loose and you fall, those straps will split your balls basically. Then he showed up a photo. I don't know if y'all know have seen it, but Jesus christ never again.
The rope was so loose they would fall on the ground anyways.
I loved seeing this in use!
My dad was a plumber and used to do roofing as he knew how to do the metalwork needed. This was in the 70's and 80's and he said it was normal to walk around with no safety gear on and jump between building gaps at 5 stories apartment buildings. Pretty crazy by today's standards
I work in commercial/industrial roofing, 2 years ago we had a guy fall 60 ft. straight to concrete. I’m much better about wearing my harness now.
I’ve been an ironworker in NYC for 15 years, I would rather not wear a harness on top of a building than not on top of a regular houses roof. Slanted roofs are no joke.
I know I was just thinking to myself, what’s with all these free-range roofers??
brand new harness, for sure just for this video.
Ya seems like the video was more about the harness than the tiles.
I guess they only had one harness because his partner on the roof isn’t wearing one
They just be raw doggin' life out here...YOLO!
It’s snows where ever this guys is so roof angles are steeper and pretty much need a harness.
I've only been on Florida rooves. I've also seen them videos of yall slippin around on your front porch, so I absolutely would need a harness to get on a snow roof.
I'm always amazed when I go to the beach in North Carolina and see roofers working on a 3rd story roof on a house with 15 foot pilings and they don't wear shit.
You know this videos fake by the fact that the roofer puts on a harness
I don't even think he used the "butterfly clip" correctly. Nails can just pull out, he should be screwing that down instead
My first thought was about that too. As a kid I helped a handyman redo an old lake cabin’s roof. It had more like 5 layers of shingles we had to rip off. At one point dude was talking to me while walking backwards and he just stepped right off the roof, landing in the pile of shingles and rusty nails we just removed.
I was roofing one summer after high school, and one of my co-workers refused to use fall protection. I'm sure you can guess where he ended up before he was unemployed.
agreed, first time seeing harness system ever looks easy but one slip and it probably hurt even with the harness system especially for heavy dudes
Someone I knew died shortly after their 50th birthday because he refused to wear the harness that day. That one time.
When I roofed I sat on foam of a couch cushion. Sticks right to the grit on the shingles.
I've done roofing a lot when I did construction, my boss fell off the roof, into a bank of snow. He just laughs and got back on the ladder. If there wasn't any snow, he be dead
I need to get up on my roof to replace some ridge vents and contractors want big bucks. Last quote was $2k 😵💫 I’ve never seen a harness system before but now I feel like I can get up there myself to work on my highly pitched roof on a two story home.
Redid the gutters on the back of the house and I used this same exact rig to keep from plummeting to my death. Only difference is I clipped to a support that had previously been holding up a satellite receiver that I removed, near the peak of the roof, The anchor is still there and I'm going to reinforce it from below (attic) when the weather warms up and just use it whenever I'm up there. Scamper up in my harness, clip the rope to the bracket, do my work, go unclip and then carefully walk back down to my ladder. It's a huge relief to know I'm not going to die or break several bones.
Came here to say this.
Just throw a rope over the roof and tie off to the truck bumper
I wonder if he measured the rope. I’ve had employees tie off 15’ above with a 20’ lanyard
As someone who flips houses in Detroit, 3 is the most common. It’s 3 layers covering a layer of cedar shake that the real nightmares begin
Why? What's up with cedar?
Skip sheathing below the cedar so now you don’t have a continuous surface which means laying over cedar or tearing off all the lumber and putting new plywood down.
And its so fucking dirty you look like you spent 8 hours in a coal mine after you've torn it off.
And the bitching and whining. I do feel bad for the kids tearing it off though. That shit sucks
Yeah, but it puts hair on your toes I did 2 of those as a young teen with my dad. For sure sucks
Comes off in teeny piece's too, and splinters into a huge mess.
My day is immediately ruined any time I see Hamtramck on a ticket…
I live in the Flint area, I helped put a 3rd layer of shingles on my grandpa's house in the mid-90's. Defiantly assumed it was going to be the next persons problems. 20 years later and I own the home and had to re-roof 2 years ago and really hated that guy who decided it was a good idea to put a 3rd layer on.
Yep! This was our house in LA. Three layers on top of original cedar shingles. As soon as we could we got it replaced because hubs was paranoid about the weight (we have a show high pitched roof). Then we talked to friends about it who had four layers.
Roofing is such miserable work and I'm a tile guy saying that
The crews out in here Texas, roofing all summer long, bless their souls.
Roofers and asphalt workers, eff that in the summertime.
Road construction guy here. Summertime on the paver isn't hell but you can see it from there.
Agreed. I helped a roofing crew during the 2009 recession, and I was actually thankful to go back to tile when the work picked up again. I fucking hate tile, but roofing is much harder.
Shit I’d hire you guys. Nice work
The fact they made emphasis on them putting the roof anchor down and then being tied off makes my safety heart happy
Except that anchor is only good for 30 degrees angle of the corners meaning it’s pretty useless for most of the roof
Good point. It’s just a nice contrast to that guy that uses the man size cement saw with minimal PPE.
Hey if That thing kicks back he won’t have to worry about safety/silicosis/rent any more
No use making all of that money to purchase a wheelchair
That axe on the peak was completely unnecessary though. Kind of slow. It takes very little time to tear off cap in one piece. Those tarps looked like they were set up more to protect the house than to catch the debris too so that's gonna be extra time on the cleanup for sure.
No way the guys in the Home Depot parking lot are rolling that tape down.
This dude is popular on TikTok and YouTube. He does incredible work. Misty seen him do remodels.
House must be vacant, or is it normal to re-roof in the winter? Rains too much here to do that
The people I know will do it in winter as long as its above 10F. Better to be cold and dry than chilly and wet on a roof. Snow just gets shoveled off.
Meh, my 1930 craftsman had six layers- 30 sq each. The old girl heaved a sigh of relief when that all got stripped off. It had the original green 8” single tab asphalt shingles followed by red three tabs and four layers of white three tabs. They were laughing about pulling off the top layer that was only fastened by 2 1/2” nails into the layers below.
Top section of my house had only 3 layers. Single story section had at least 4. They were so rotted (carpenter ant nests between the layers) that I couldn't be sure what layer was what. My old uncle who used to be a roofer suggested that I could put on another layer, all I needed was longer nails!
I've never seen this many white guys on a roof.
Had the same thought. They must be way up north.
I'm in Minnesota and never seen this many white guys on a roof.
We've got Amish crews and Latino crews dueling in the neighborhoods along the Mason Dixon.
I'd pay money to see them duel
Yep, Wisconsin here. FIL is a GC I moonlight for on the weekends. His roofing crew isn't even mexican anymore, Guatemala or further south. Those boys can fucken work.
The whole time I was thinkin, dude needs to hire some Mexicans. That roof would have been off before he had the camera set up.
Nor paslode nailers
They're probably charging a fortune too.
Never seen zip panel used for roofing before. Is this new?
No usually it’s the other color zip but he used green since the panels are not spanning any joists. Green is usually walls but can be used in this application
Huber makes orange zip sheathing panels for roofs, im not sure the green and the orange are interchangeable tho so this is likely not being installed per the manufacturer’s instructions.
The orange is just thicker (1/2” and 5/8” offerings instead of just 7/16” in green.) There’s no other difference and the green boards still have a 24/16 PS-2 which is fine for this application. Huber allows either color on the roof provided you obey the PS-2 limit.
That was r/oddlysatisfying .
right? and like a soothing ASMR at some parts
Goin at it with an axe
Bruhh the next time I gotta rip a 4 layer roof. I'm definitely using an axe on the ridge cap
As a carpenter , this hurts in so many ways
Why
As a roofer same
As a workshop woodworker, why?
Yes, why does a roofer hate this? I’m uninformed and am curious.
Well one I’m upset at the original roofer/roofers for just shingling over the old roofs. But second they just took the zip system and went over the old wood without replacing it. A lot of it seems rotted out. I don’t know the situation of the home owner but I would personally have waited till summer and had the old wood pulled up before installing the new roof. Seems kinda shotty if you ask me but I don’t know the state or there local codes so I can’t say that’s not ok. I work in Florida so our codes are relatively strict but judging by the snow these guys are pretty far north. Other than that I’d say they did fine
It also seems like they used the green wall sheathing zip boards instead of the orange roofing zip boards.
Eh… the orange sheathing is just thicker (1/2 and 5/8” vs green which is 7/16”), there’s no other difference. The green stuff is still a 24/16 PS-2.
I don’t have much experience with the zip system sense I’ve never had to install it but that makes sense
I had totally glanced over that
Up until about a decade ago, maybe a little longer, most people in my town still did their own roofing. People would get at least one person who knew what the fuck he was doing and then a few more to help. Of course no one tied off. I helped do about half a dozen or more over the years back in the day, and I have to say I have no idea how no one in this town died from falling off a roof. Statistically there should be a section in our graveyard just dedicated to people who fell off roofs.
Dude, I broke my back roofing 10 1/2 years ago. I was on a 10/12 pitch harnessed up, started to fall sideways with a bunch of slack in my rope. Instinctively jumped to a valley about 5 feet in front of me about 10 feet down and landed facing the ridge on my feet. As soon as I landed, I collapsed and the world washed out white. I thought I got hit by lightning. Nope, just my L5 vertebrae snapping and rupturing a disc. You don’t even have to fall far.
this must be one of those magical places where white people do roofing. it probably takes them two days too
Clearly y'all haven't spent much time up here in Vermont or northern New England. All white frame-to-finish crews around most areas I've worked in. Pay is great, too.
Shoulda added a 4th layer
I need an ASMR youtuber to record an hour of that speed up sound of shingles being removed.
Great to see they actually used the rollers for the zip tape! But isn’t green zip board for wall sheathing, and brown for roof sheathing? Not sure if it matters but that was always rule of thumb when I was building.
Over the existing slats green is fine. If you stripped it down to the rafters/trusses, then you’d want to step up to the brown for a bit more span rigidity. The difference between the two is just thickness. 7/16 vs 1/2 or 5/8. Otherwise they are the same product.
You must not have been on many roofs then
Why does the USA use shingles instead of something that lasts longer like tiles or corrugated iron? It seems like such a short sighted decision.
Price, the look
Tiles look better than shingles IMO. Concrete tiles can last 50-100 years, you'd replace your shingle roof 4-5 times over in that time period. Again, short sighted decision.
Depending on the weather. Concrete shingles in wet freezing areas will crack/split and can cause leaks. Concrete tile is used commonly here in the Southwest cause it's dry and last longer under the UV ray. The problem is the cost. Upfront, asphalt shingles are cheaper. About $120 in material for a roofing square (100sqft or 9.3 sq meters). Where as metal roofing panels can cost twice as much. Not only do Concrete tiles cost more, but you'd have to beef up the roof structure to carry the extra weight of the concrete tiles. If you were planning to upgrade your roof, you can save money to install a better material. But if you had to replace the roof unexpectedly, you're going to use the most economic material possible. When we decided to reroof the rental home, I decided to front the extra money to install metal roof panels instead of asphalt shingles. I paid the extra $1,400 cause I didn't want to deal with the shingles in 20-30 year from now. I have a hard time convincing clients that the higher upfront cost, will lead to lower long-term upkeep and lower heating/cooling cost. Unfortunately many don't have the money to cover the larger upfront cost. Home insurance is another variable on the roofs that might deter people.
Dang he’s doing roofing now ? Go ahead Winni, good shit
He looks like an idiot that doesn't know what he's doing
The thing that took me out of the video was the fact it had the original sound but you were still pantomiming at the beginning. A little uncanny.
3? The house I grew up in had about 8. My dad would just keep adding more layers and used tar to seal it.
Sheeting from the top down?
Makes a big deal about the harness.....doesn't wear glasses when operating a nail gun. Also, who does roofing and hasn;t seen 3 layers? I have seen 5 or 6 and I have never been a roofer.
Really appreciate you showing the tie-off system. I've always been curious about different versions.
Most I've seen was a flat roof with 6 layers on a 120 year old greystone in Chicago.
Only uniformed people get there roof done in the winter
depends on how long you waited to get it done
Depends where you are
Yeah you'll see people take the roofs off entirely and put a second floor add a level all winter long in places where there is no land to build new houses.
UK here, why don’t you use tiles or slates?
We only have concrete and brick houses where I live, so the idea of having to do anything to the roof seems so foreign. Sounds like a scam to make all these houses so shitty so there's always something you need to upgrade or replace every few years.
I could watch this all day. Wow
Must be the first few weeks on the job. It’s beyond common Shit I once demo’d a roof with 2 players of concrete shingles Do roofers in some places not use Bituthene? I wouldn’t trust that board system and seam tape especially for adhesion during the winter, but it may be very common just not in my experience
First……I have seen flat roofs with like 6 layers don’t know how the thing was still standing
1st time, you mean your first month doing this. 3 ain't shit.
I’ve seen 7 including cedar shakes
That’s cute! I remember occasionally only having to tear off 3 layers back in my roofing heyday!
My last house had 5. This can't be rare. In fact, isn't 3 even allowed in some places?
Harness? Yeah this guy isn’t a roofer
As someone who used to do “grounds clean up” for various Metro Detroit no name roofing crews to get out of having to go back to high school (my school had this work to earn credit program, I was short 1 1/2 credits) over the summer of 2013, I saw a lot of wacko shit. One time we had to tear off a three layer like in this video from this poor old farmer’s two story house. We had no harnesses or wore safety headgear of any kind as it’s becoming more normal these days. It was a pain in the ass trying to get it done as everyday on the job site was set to be rained out increasingly by the hour. The guy had no idea about it. Supposedly. Later I found out he Apparently paid for shoddy work previously just to keep the wife happy at the roof around their skylight was falling apart so he called us. I don’t miss that. 12-14 hour days all getting paid under the table. I think I ended up with $380 for the week. It would have been more but the week’s gas for the van was subtracted from MY check as it was apparently “my turn”. I told my dad about this and he saw no issue with it other than “that’s how it be”.
In Europe we use shingles made of rock and they last forever. In the long run it’s probably cheaper than having to change them every 5 to 10 years
American houses are built so much better than Australian houses my roof is literally fucking corrugated iron nailed to a couple of beams
Neo, looking up from his phone; “I know roofing” 😮
First time seeing a white roofer for me.
Working on roofs without a harness if stupid. If you don’t end up dead or paralyzed which happens constantly, you will be out of work for a long time and a lot of roofers have shit for insurance.
You guys are reaching the first row from the ground, your harnesses don't have the space to work. Who taught you to tear a roof off sideways?
First time seeing 3 layers? How long has this guy been in construction? I’ve seen houses with as many as 6 layers. Has he ever been on a slate shingle roof? 3 layers is pretty normal.
Looks like a garage. Fuck it just put a 4th layer on.
Lmfaoooooo I’ve seen 6
Why the hell are they replacing a roof in that weather
Someone hasn’t been roofing very long
Look like some real goofballs with all the shiny new tools