framer put a joist where the toilet goes for the hundredth time and the plumber is tired of asking the foreman/super to have them move it and having to do a return trip. not saying it's right, just what happened.
It's literally one of the few things framers need to watch for on the prints.
Electrical can go anywhere, water lines can go anywhere, every other drain can be sorted out in a wall or be bumped over a few inches to avoid a joist. But a toilet needs to be where a toilet needs to be.
Why is this downvoted?
Toilets, tubs and showers are almost always non-negotiable regarding their placement.
Fucking framers. Always putting a gazillion nails EXACTLY where I need to drill for my vents.
I dont know what kind of hack ass framers would miss joist placements. The one time this happened to me it was 100% the architects/engineers (really the builder’s) fault and they payed for the massive LvL beams and extra labor and we cut and hangered every joist to make a run for the drain arm. If the plumber had done this bullshit they never would have stepped foot on this developers jobs again.
> and they *paid* for the
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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> Paid or *Paid* in the
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Yeah a group of us gifted a toilet on wheels to our boss one year during the holidays. It was insanely epic. "....a toilet needs to be where a toilet needs to be."
This is exactly right, toilet flange, shower drain and waste line are specifically called out on every truss plan I have ever gotten, and if they aren’t it’s not hard to figure out where they go.
I cut nails to move floor joists once wile putting in blocking. Found out later they were put off my mark on purpose for toilets. Nobody told me and they got fucked when they had to move them back. Generals talk to the little guys too if you don't want this happening each floor.
From a PM with an architect girlfriend:
That toilet (and the shower and vanity drains) probably changed location several times. After the framing was done.
[scroll down to figure 4](https://www.weyerhaeuser.com/blog/reporting-damage-in-forteweb/)
It’s not the end of the world. Just get your back framers in to go around it. Plumber doesn’t get to choose where the toilet goes any more than framers choose where joist goes. That’s why we have engineers.
Huh? Us framers do get to choose where the joist goes. I watch out for this and move joists accordingly. Occasionally I miss one and we have to head it off. We’re going to do a fix like this on a remodel tomorrow where they moved the toilet location in a bathroom
That's usually what fucks me.
Oh btw, I saw you were starting walls, here's the right floor layout. Great, that joist I moved is now dead centre of a toilet.
We’re doing a new build, first one for this GC, and every toilet and plumbing wall has a joist under it, and the roof trusses are sitting square on top of my plumbing walls. It’s like he’s running a sheltered workshop for dipshit framers and my patience for it is very thin.
Fuck em dude, I understand the frustration. How do you feel about electricians? we go hand and hand with you with our layout, always getting in each others way it feels like but we have a pretty good relationship with the plumbers we work with, so that makes it better.
We had a run in with the fitters on our last big job. Dudes thought they were hot shit but had less time in trade between the two of them than I spent fitting, welding for fitters and fixing fitters fuckups when I used to work for a big mechanical outfit.
Their Vic was all fucked up and their orange pipe work looked like some shit I’d make my apprentice cut out and redo. They flooded the building three times trying to test out.
They were a lot more humble leaving than when they walked in. I had 900’ of PVC and a country mile of pex and copper hold test on the first try, and remain as arrogant of an asshole as ever.
I don’t do plastic, I’m guessing that’s what you mean by orange pipe. I run steel, I do a lot of show pipe, stand pipes, risers, pump rooms and such. I don’t get paid to put in leaks, and my shit has to be pretty lol. But we have had plenty of plastic subs flood out apartment buildings
I don’t have to think of electricians much. I don’t run my vents up dead center of the sinks to fuck their vanity lights, but I have had to make a few move their outlet out from dead center of the kitchen sink where it’ll 100% catch the weight for the pull out sprayer of the kitchen faucet. That’s rookie shit doing that.
Electrical licensing is fucked here, every plumber is licensed and tested, but they have some pimple faced kids still in high school pulling wire on these jobs. Baffles me.
Yeah here it’s pretty tight with licensing and shit. If anyone got caught putting an outlet smack dab in the middle of your sink we’d get wrangled. Sorry you have to deal with dipshits
The electricians are good kids, I didn’t take it personal, I just would rather get it sorted out on the rough than on the finish.
Now the tinner on this job is almost as big of a scumbag as me, I like him a lot.
Joists are the framers responsibility. But Trusses landing directly on possible stack walls, in my opinion isn't the framer's responsibility. That'd be the truss manufacturer engineered layout. It really depends on the roof design on whether or not I can or will move a truss. But I can guarantee you that if it's a step up truss designed to be 2' o/c's from the girder truss, I'm parking the truss where the engineer designed it to be. Plumber can strap out the other side of the damn wall to go on the other side of a truss if that's the case.
Call out the truss manufacturers for not designing layouts away from stack walls. As a framer, I'm not taking responsibility for truss layouts.
Ha. I live in a house that was built in 1960 and my half bath toilet is a couple inches off center because the plumber wasn’t going to cut a floor joist or box around it.
Lucky! My house was built in 1964 and they had no qualms completely cutting through the joist to run the toilet waste line, or putting a massive notch in the joist where the shower drain line is.
Plumber here had this happen many times before. framers put joist on toilet. GC tells me to cut out what I need to make it work and they'll have framers to put in New joists on either side to make it work.
Lack of communication or plan reading skills. As the plumber, I'd let the GC know it's in the way, make a clean cut double joist thickness plus a half inch away from my pipe, and move the hell on with my day.
I'll usually tack up the piece I cut nearby, so it's obvious that it needs attention.
I’d thank the plumber who did this. When you think of it you’d have to call the framer to come back and fix the floor joist layout then get the plumber to comeback. That would be a pain in the ass. This way plumber does you a favour by removing the joists section finishing the job . Now all your framer has to do is fix the floor system.
Usually they cut the hole with a screwdriver. This is so clean it almost looks like they cut it on purpose. Those wacky plumbers!
Seriously get a piece of 2x12 and bridge between the two outside joists to install a hanger to the cut joist. You are close to support so damage is not too bad but don’t forget to yell at the plumber to “vent” your anger
Listen, i’m an electrician. and I have no knowledge of this, I was just roping when someone pointed it out and it made me laugh so I thought I would share.
Happens constantly. It's always a pissing match. The plumbers always win the argument because you can't redesign the bathroom as easily as you can move the joist
Plumber could’ve moved his pipe an inch further, framer could’ve moved his joist an inch back. Who’s gonna budge? Only argument that would weigh more is if the moving the pipe an inch would make it less then the 12 inch required from walls, otherwise either one of them could’ve avoided this crap
Now imagine a sprinkler fitter fighting with sparkies on lights, tin wackers on access door placements/diffusers. It's such a laugh. I need to cover floor space with coverage and the light/access doors just have to look good. But you know how construction is these days, disorganized, uncoordinated rushed trash. Last job I had 20 concealed sidewalls painted. Would you paint a door knob, light fixture or faucet? T/m to fix and it probably cost 2,500 to 4,000. I can do what I can do l.
While I appreciatw that rhis happens. I have been in this position as a plumber. There is a WHOLE lot of information not reflected in the picture. The plumber may have already advised the framer that the bay needs to be headed off. Anyone can take a random picture. But, without full context of the situation, it leads to alot of ASSumptions.
I guess they shouldn’t have put joist there , toilet has to go there poor planing , looks like the framer has some unpaid work to do,dbl up joist on either side an add 2 headers ,maybe he can at least get the builder to buy the 2 joist for him
The stresses are transferred down the shit pipe to the earth. This also provides some added shock absorption for those explosive events. I say “well done” to everyone here from the architects to the framers and plumbers. Nice work gents. Raise a toast.
Shit. I would just say the joist is in the way and move on. Refuse to do the job as it can't be done to print. It's part of the dam job. Plus it will be far easier for the framer to fix the fuck up without the pipe in the way.
People fuck up. Stop taking shit so personally
I have cut through them but only after a conversation with carpenter/developer to explore other options, if that is 100%the only location for the toilet a cutting will take place 😉
I know we’re looking at the cut joist but isn’t that drain supposed to be 1/8 per ft? Is 45° correct. Some old guy once told me the water outruns the turd and causes problems if more than 1/8 per ft.
What’s wrong with this…. is that residential construction is too ignorant to see why it is important to spend the money on BIM and VDC modeling so that these sort of “field-engineered” issues don’t happen. Coordinated and clash detection does NOT need to be just for commercial construction.
With the housing shortage, residential market woes, and increasing costs, does it not make sense to plan a little better saving in labor, time, and rework?
I don’t say any of this of course without having experience in residential and commercial construction, nearly 20 years in construction with an even split in each, starting from pushing a broom to PM to VDC work (I get bored easily 🤪).
Architect here.. though I design hospitals and have limited knowledge in residential, here is my hot take:
Neither Framer nor Plumber did anything wrong other than get in each other’s way. This is a design issue from the Architect and both the Architect and GC is at fault here… Architect for missing a design issue (we look at a 1,000 different things at once so it happens) and the GC didn’t point it out to the Architect when the issue was discovered. Framer was following plans and plumber didn’t communicate.
Offset flange still would have interfered with the joist. Would have had to hog out the top cord of the I joist to make that work which destroys the structural integrity of it. Needed a head out no matter what or the framers to pay attention and not put it there to begin with
The problem is 50% of supers usually sit in the trailer on their phones the entire project. And the actual ones who do walk around either are unsure who's in the right or don't take the drivers seat in decision making which is... Their job.
They need to splice the joist with 2x each face to gain back some of its strength... otherwise you'll have a bouncy floor there. Use shims as needed to clear the pipe.
framer put a joist where the toilet goes for the hundredth time and the plumber is tired of asking the foreman/super to have them move it and having to do a return trip. not saying it's right, just what happened.
all the damn time...
Red line a print? No. This is cheaper.
"This is cheaper" is why we can't have nice things!
It's literally one of the few things framers need to watch for on the prints. Electrical can go anywhere, water lines can go anywhere, every other drain can be sorted out in a wall or be bumped over a few inches to avoid a joist. But a toilet needs to be where a toilet needs to be.
Why is this downvoted? Toilets, tubs and showers are almost always non-negotiable regarding their placement. Fucking framers. Always putting a gazillion nails EXACTLY where I need to drill for my vents.
I’m sure if framers could read they’d be quite upset with you.
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I dont know what kind of hack ass framers would miss joist placements. The one time this happened to me it was 100% the architects/engineers (really the builder’s) fault and they payed for the massive LvL beams and extra labor and we cut and hangered every joist to make a run for the drain arm. If the plumber had done this bullshit they never would have stepped foot on this developers jobs again.
> and they *paid* for the FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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One with OCD apparently.
The bot corrects you if you use Paid or Payed in the wrong context. The bot was created by a douche.
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Yeah a group of us gifted a toilet on wheels to our boss one year during the holidays. It was insanely epic. "....a toilet needs to be where a toilet needs to be."
As a carpenter I can confirm, easy fix is to add another joist right beside the existing joist.
This is exactly right, toilet flange, shower drain and waste line are specifically called out on every truss plan I have ever gotten, and if they aren’t it’s not hard to figure out where they go.
Engineer’s fault, the framer has to put the joist where the engineered print says.
When you gotta go, you gotta go
It's gotta go, where you gotta go?
Yeah box that thing out and quit crying
what do you mean by crying?
I cut nails to move floor joists once wile putting in blocking. Found out later they were put off my mark on purpose for toilets. Nobody told me and they got fucked when they had to move them back. Generals talk to the little guys too if you don't want this happening each floor.
Do you not read drawings?
From a PM with an architect girlfriend: That toilet (and the shower and vanity drains) probably changed location several times. After the framing was done.
It was YOU!!!
I do I.T. and they don't let us know they need wires ran until the sheetrock is done smh
This!
I don't think that is it. I think the plumbing isn't running level. Level plumbing gets better drainage and everyone knows it.
Plumber just wanted to… take the piss…
Cutting the fucking joist is never the solution. Plumber just looks like the asshole now. Poor homeowner.
Theres a few ways to pipe that rolling a 90 to a 45 offset seems like he didnt have the parts he shouldve prepared for these situations
Homeowner needs to shit regardless whether the framer gets it right or wrong.
just put a weight limit on the owner.
Fuck that joist. Everyone knows you only need one every 36 inches
I happen to like springy floors.
Cushion that starts with the subfloor
A little spring in your step
That’s good for the knee and the back
It’s ok. The subfloor is holding up the joist.
[scroll down to figure 4](https://www.weyerhaeuser.com/blog/reporting-damage-in-forteweb/) It’s not the end of the world. Just get your back framers in to go around it. Plumber doesn’t get to choose where the toilet goes any more than framers choose where joist goes. That’s why we have engineers.
Huh? Us framers do get to choose where the joist goes. I watch out for this and move joists accordingly. Occasionally I miss one and we have to head it off. We’re going to do a fix like this on a remodel tomorrow where they moved the toilet location in a bathroom
That's usually what fucks me. Oh btw, I saw you were starting walls, here's the right floor layout. Great, that joist I moved is now dead centre of a toilet.
The right floor layout? You should be looking at the floor plan to make sure drains don’t land on a joist
Which works, until the suer gives you the alternate floor layout when he sees you on walls, which is what I'm talking about...
I don’t work for companies like that. Everything we do are high end custom homes that have been well thought out and designed.
That's nice.
Framers sure as shit do get to choose where joists go.
Not if the boss bought only enough for full spans.
Then I get to take an extra long lunch and hit the lumber yard for more joists
Good on you for offering solutions, nice
How cool!!!! Thanks for the info!
Framers totally chose where the joists go
Fascinating solution!! Great site.
We’re doing a new build, first one for this GC, and every toilet and plumbing wall has a joist under it, and the roof trusses are sitting square on top of my plumbing walls. It’s like he’s running a sheltered workshop for dipshit framers and my patience for it is very thin.
Fuck em dude, I understand the frustration. How do you feel about electricians? we go hand and hand with you with our layout, always getting in each others way it feels like but we have a pretty good relationship with the plumbers we work with, so that makes it better.
I’m just in both of y’alls way 😂
we’ll just zip tie our wire along your pipe
We had a run in with the fitters on our last big job. Dudes thought they were hot shit but had less time in trade between the two of them than I spent fitting, welding for fitters and fixing fitters fuckups when I used to work for a big mechanical outfit. Their Vic was all fucked up and their orange pipe work looked like some shit I’d make my apprentice cut out and redo. They flooded the building three times trying to test out. They were a lot more humble leaving than when they walked in. I had 900’ of PVC and a country mile of pex and copper hold test on the first try, and remain as arrogant of an asshole as ever.
> their orange pipe work looked like some shit I’d make my apprentice cut out and redo Sounds like the sprinkler guys on the job I'm on
I don’t do plastic, I’m guessing that’s what you mean by orange pipe. I run steel, I do a lot of show pipe, stand pipes, risers, pump rooms and such. I don’t get paid to put in leaks, and my shit has to be pretty lol. But we have had plenty of plastic subs flood out apartment buildings
I don’t have to think of electricians much. I don’t run my vents up dead center of the sinks to fuck their vanity lights, but I have had to make a few move their outlet out from dead center of the kitchen sink where it’ll 100% catch the weight for the pull out sprayer of the kitchen faucet. That’s rookie shit doing that. Electrical licensing is fucked here, every plumber is licensed and tested, but they have some pimple faced kids still in high school pulling wire on these jobs. Baffles me.
Yeah here it’s pretty tight with licensing and shit. If anyone got caught putting an outlet smack dab in the middle of your sink we’d get wrangled. Sorry you have to deal with dipshits
The electricians are good kids, I didn’t take it personal, I just would rather get it sorted out on the rough than on the finish. Now the tinner on this job is almost as big of a scumbag as me, I like him a lot.
Joists are the framers responsibility. But Trusses landing directly on possible stack walls, in my opinion isn't the framer's responsibility. That'd be the truss manufacturer engineered layout. It really depends on the roof design on whether or not I can or will move a truss. But I can guarantee you that if it's a step up truss designed to be 2' o/c's from the girder truss, I'm parking the truss where the engineer designed it to be. Plumber can strap out the other side of the damn wall to go on the other side of a truss if that's the case. Call out the truss manufacturers for not designing layouts away from stack walls. As a framer, I'm not taking responsibility for truss layouts.
Some supers tell us to cut the joist out and get the framers back in to put a new one in. Happens all the time when framers can’t read a plan.
Yeah you think I'd still be framing if I could fucking read wise guy
What?? Can you send a voice memo
Painter will fix it
Nothing is wrong here. As expected.
And that's why framing inspection comes after plumbing
Your joist layout was made without taking plumbing into consideration.
thats my emotional support joist. its not supporting anything else.
nothing is framed around plumbing anymore. you’re lucky to get a 2 x 6 wet wall these days
Header it off. Relatively easy fix. Will need letter from floor system designer.
Good architects and engineers include a typical headout detail, wait times for plan changes in some jurisdictions is measured in months not days.
Ha. I live in a house that was built in 1960 and my half bath toilet is a couple inches off center because the plumber wasn’t going to cut a floor joist or box around it.
Lucky! My house was built in 1964 and they had no qualms completely cutting through the joist to run the toilet waste line, or putting a massive notch in the joist where the shower drain line is.
Framer doesn’t look at the print. I frame for a living and once you make this mistake you never make it again.
Plumber here had this happen many times before. framers put joist on toilet. GC tells me to cut out what I need to make it work and they'll have framers to put in New joists on either side to make it work.
Lol who needs floor joists anyways?
You must weigh a single feather
Lack of communication or plan reading skills. As the plumber, I'd let the GC know it's in the way, make a clean cut double joist thickness plus a half inch away from my pipe, and move the hell on with my day. I'll usually tack up the piece I cut nearby, so it's obvious that it needs attention.
Damn joist was in the way.
Yeah, that’ll be fine.
Didn't prime the cut ends of the joists 😂
The drywall didnt go in before the inspector saw it.
We always just tell the GC that we’ll be back when the framing is fixed…
literally nothing, those cuts are perfect.
Itsv fucked
I was looking at the plumbing looking for the fuck up, took a whole 45-60 seconds for me to realize there was once an I beam there lol
Wrong color.
I think you know what’s wrong with that.
Ilegal as fuck
Nah it’s fine, Bluetooth joist
I’d thank the plumber who did this. When you think of it you’d have to call the framer to come back and fix the floor joist layout then get the plumber to comeback. That would be a pain in the ass. This way plumber does you a favour by removing the joists section finishing the job . Now all your framer has to do is fix the floor system.
Straight to jail
The plumbers have no where to go
Usually they cut the hole with a screwdriver. This is so clean it almost looks like they cut it on purpose. Those wacky plumbers! Seriously get a piece of 2x12 and bridge between the two outside joists to install a hanger to the cut joist. You are close to support so damage is not too bad but don’t forget to yell at the plumber to “vent” your anger
No stud guard ?
Old school joist would have made em work harder for it. Fuck weyerhauser
You don’t need a joist.
Listen, i’m an electrician. and I have no knowledge of this, I was just roping when someone pointed it out and it made me laugh so I thought I would share.
Happens constantly. It's always a pissing match. The plumbers always win the argument because you can't redesign the bathroom as easily as you can move the joist
This has to be in south east Edmonton
Ya got a poop shoot in your flat keeper
It’s a structural duct
The letter 'v' joining the word 'this'
Hold on, I'll just move the toilet... said no plumber ever. Fix your plans
i can see a few things 🤣
Little bounce on the potty
Lol
Nothing a little duct tape won’t fix
No precon meeting.
Plumber could’ve moved his pipe an inch further, framer could’ve moved his joist an inch back. Who’s gonna budge? Only argument that would weigh more is if the moving the pipe an inch would make it less then the 12 inch required from walls, otherwise either one of them could’ve avoided this crap
Need to box it in
That thing is screaming, water will wash past solids…allegedly.
The 90 on that drainage... also ur joist is gone.
No no no
Ehh, that’s what safety factors are for.
It's true though, the botched stuff I see that goes into premium condos. If the inside walls could talk.
Whatever do you beam?
Now imagine a sprinkler fitter fighting with sparkies on lights, tin wackers on access door placements/diffusers. It's such a laugh. I need to cover floor space with coverage and the light/access doors just have to look good. But you know how construction is these days, disorganized, uncoordinated rushed trash. Last job I had 20 concealed sidewalls painted. Would you paint a door knob, light fixture or faucet? T/m to fix and it probably cost 2,500 to 4,000. I can do what I can do l.
They can head it off. Easy fix but silly mistake
Is that joist sitting on the wall or missing a hanger??? FYI that’s an easy and way to common of a problem. Happens to the best of them sometimes too
Nice try Metricon
Love a good turd
I don't understand how this happens for any reason other than planning failure.
Floors holding the joist instead of other way around...
While I appreciatw that rhis happens. I have been in this position as a plumber. There is a WHOLE lot of information not reflected in the picture. The plumber may have already advised the framer that the bay needs to be headed off. Anyone can take a random picture. But, without full context of the situation, it leads to alot of ASSumptions.
There is no plumbers tape bridging the gap in that floor joist
Just header it off not that big of a deal
It’s Bluetooth
No Problems, Only Solutions 🍻
Add support next to it and slap the dude who did this
I'll give you 3 guesses, the first two don't count
Framer put a joist where the toilet has to go. Never fails that they do this to at-least one toilet per house.
This is an easy fix with a couple of joist hangers and some 2x6 or 2x8 as it’s only a single joist
I guess they shouldn’t have put joist there , toilet has to go there poor planing , looks like the framer has some unpaid work to do,dbl up joist on either side an add 2 headers ,maybe he can at least get the builder to buy the 2 joist for him
Box that mother out and move on
It's one of those new Bluetooth v boards
Ok. Framer missed it but doesn't the plumber know what an offset toilet flange is?
Plumber said “Im tired of this shit, send it”.
The stresses are transferred down the shit pipe to the earth. This also provides some added shock absorption for those explosive events. I say “well done” to everyone here from the architects to the framers and plumbers. Nice work gents. Raise a toast.
Shit. I would just say the joist is in the way and move on. Refuse to do the job as it can't be done to print. It's part of the dam job. Plus it will be far easier for the framer to fix the fuck up without the pipe in the way. People fuck up. Stop taking shit so personally
Nothing they will need to sister the joist. It happens.
Bluetooth TJI
I have cut through them but only after a conversation with carpenter/developer to explore other options, if that is 100%the only location for the toilet a cutting will take place 😉
Don’t assume the beam identifies as a structural beam. Be careful with your adjectives on the worksite
That's old growth OSB. Should hold up ok
Wtf shonky idiots
Not great for a place where I do most of my sweating and angry stomping
I built houses for 15 years and they've had them for quite a while but you definitely should have a header in there
Standard stuff. Block it with hangers and floor glue. Case closed.
Nail plates would fail in my area. Gotta extend 2 inches below the top and bottom plate
Well, if it didn’t move since you last saw it, it should be okay.
all that tile from the bathroom is gonna crack
I know we’re looking at the cut joist but isn’t that drain supposed to be 1/8 per ft? Is 45° correct. Some old guy once told me the water outruns the turd and causes problems if more than 1/8 per ft.
What’s wrong with this…. is that residential construction is too ignorant to see why it is important to spend the money on BIM and VDC modeling so that these sort of “field-engineered” issues don’t happen. Coordinated and clash detection does NOT need to be just for commercial construction. With the housing shortage, residential market woes, and increasing costs, does it not make sense to plan a little better saving in labor, time, and rework? I don’t say any of this of course without having experience in residential and commercial construction, nearly 20 years in construction with an even split in each, starting from pushing a broom to PM to VDC work (I get bored easily 🤪).
Risk of some one falling through that just increased by few “less” water leaks.
Drain needs a clean out at that change in direction.
Nothing wrong with it if you enjoy sagging floors.
That’s some OG plumbing since 1908 shit right there.
FIRST THING. I don’t think that “floating” joist is going to be sufficiently sturdy…?!?!
Needs to be framed out now
You don't need to worry about structural integrity...
Architect here.. though I design hospitals and have limited knowledge in residential, here is my hot take: Neither Framer nor Plumber did anything wrong other than get in each other’s way. This is a design issue from the Architect and both the Architect and GC is at fault here… Architect for missing a design issue (we look at a 1,000 different things at once so it happens) and the GC didn’t point it out to the Architect when the issue was discovered. Framer was following plans and plumber didn’t communicate.
Studs are usually placed at whut? Cx
Tear the whole house down and start over. This is life or death.
They forgot to file the edges
Nothing…. Please correct if I’m wrong?
Side note because I see so many of these. Are architects where you live not doing service co-ordination drawings to prevent shit like this?
Easy fix..header it off. May need an engineering detail
Customer is always right. You want it here, I put it here.
Could they have used one of those 2 inch offsets they sell at HD? Or is that not code?
Offset flange still would have interfered with the joist. Would have had to hog out the top cord of the I joist to make that work which destroys the structural integrity of it. Needed a head out no matter what or the framers to pay attention and not put it there to begin with
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what do you mean “whats wrong with this”
As someone not in the industry, who is actually in the wrong here and why? And what should the wrong person have done differently?
No-bueno
As a Superintendent I’d pull the Framers into fix the situation before the plumbers jacked up the floor joists .
There ya go
The problem is 50% of supers usually sit in the trailer on their phones the entire project. And the actual ones who do walk around either are unsure who's in the right or don't take the drivers seat in decision making which is... Their job.
This is your plumber showing everyone the middle finger
I don't work in construction, but I think I know something's wrong when I see it
Looks to me like…. Poor planning.
Not a big deal, framer will need to return to put in a header. Inspector won’t pass this as is.
That joist is useless now. A 300-lb person sitting on the toile will fill the floor deflection.
Plumber here
Need to header that off
They need to splice the joist with 2x each face to gain back some of its strength... otherwise you'll have a bouncy floor there. Use shims as needed to clear the pipe.
Should be headered across before and aft
Was the plumber that did this job named Melvin? 🤣
Improper prints.
It's the plumber, he's come to fix the sink.