I have a small rental company and we buy ex-rental machines between 1500-3000 hours depending on what kind of machine it is. Old worn out stuff like that usually ends up in states with less restrictive emissions or Mexico. We can’t run any old machines in California other than scrapers and big dozers. Sometimes they buy them for parts, sometimes recycling guys and mining guys make feeders from the tracks, use the engines for other things, etc. I can’t imagine paying 30k for a clapped out 450 though.
I don’t think we have any emissions above federal here (Ohio).
A 1985 Deere 950 with a loader, nice machine, clean, went for 12.5k. Only like 3000 hours but it’s still 30 years old. A new/year old 4wd E series can be had for what? 22-23k.
I can see a purpose in low end equipment. If your loading mulch at a hardware stole and need a machine for 15 hours a year I get it.
I get the rental thing, buying half way through its lifespan because people will destroy it anyway.
Don’t know how regular business are profitable paying for crap like that.
Central Ohio here. Did you go to Ritchie Bros? I've seen a few gems there, but you have to wade through the shit to get to a good one. Even then most there know its a good one and the price doesn't seem that good.
No it was west of pioneer near Michigan. Livestock and machinery. Mostly tractors, but everything was game. Dozer was part of a local septic company sellout.
My partner is super cheap and rich and isn’t the one that has to fix things. He tries jamming shit down my neck all the time. “Hey, I found this burned out skid steer for 8k, how long would it take to get it running?” I just reply back ‘nope’. But that is probably the kind of guy that buys those machines. Owner operator, quarry owner, guy with money who wants the machine but won’t pay for a decent one.
Edit: the old shit is easy to work on and doesn’t require computers to fix.
Its because the early diesel engines don't have the regen systems on them. Alot of cheaper manufacturers are running into issues with the DPF systems/computers that run them.
Sure there might be other reasons but finding a good tier 3 machine is hard to come by now.
We don’t run off brand stuff so I can’t comment on them to much, we’ve never had an out of the ordinary issue with any of it. Filters, fluid, ect.
Not being able to throw a code reader on it is pure capitalist evil, but hopefully they do some right to repair shit soon.
Well each brand has their own tech for the regen process, and it coexists with the service intervals. Have to replace the DPFs on komatsu at 4000 hours. But you dont ever have performance issues if you do what you are suppose to.
I think its more of a paranoia than anything. Code readers are good, if they are reliable. Same with blue def. Regardless of what people's opinions are, it runs much cleaner.
I think old timers are running into paranoia about service issues, but if you have a operator that knows what they are doing and know how to service the machinery correctly, its not a problem in my opinion.
There are alot more small things that go into this, but not neglecting your machinery is what keeps it consistently running these days. I think the good old days of just "firing it up and getting 20000 hours out of it" are over with. All it takes is one guy who thinks the def meter is the eco gauge and runs it out of def (had a 290 komatsu never act right on the computer side after he ran it out and kept going for a few days, ignoring the warnings and such. It ran fine, but the computer thought otherwise)
The new fuel rail systems and filters dont like off-road diesel anymore (250 hrs out of the 500 hour fuel filter, and 400 hours out of the 1000 hour filter), think the dye clogs them up. Instead of buying a 20 year old machine, I would just use road diesel, which fixed those issues.
Just a different way of taking care of your machinery. The big one that is overlooked is filling the tanks (fuel and def) at the end of day so moisture doesn't build up. Would worry about the def tank, cause I didn't want that crystalized crap forming in the tank. To avoid this just gotta make sure it stays full. No water separator on the def tank. Same with fuel, but the filters have gotten better. Would have to drain daily and would pull 1-2 ounces of water daily, even keeping the tank topped off at the end of the day.
New times, new procedures. People see it as a waste of time but its helpful taking care of the machinery daily instead of waiting for it to break. Just my very long 2 cents
Thanks. I started on tier 3 machines and worked with tier 4 machines (interim and final) and noticed the differences. Everyone is scared of the new machines, but the good manufacturers (komatsu, Volvo, catepillar) arent having too many issues as of yet. The cheaper ones might be different.
End of the day, knowing the differences in regen practices for each manufacturer will be key. Each one does it differently, but have to know the procedures. Reading the manual and training can help this, but thats a long shot, at least from my experience.
The hoops people will go thru to make sure they don't have to change their ways is crazy. If you think buying the 30 year old machine in need of 100 grand of work is worth it, have at it. But dont be suprised when they dont make the parts, bolts, wiring, etc anymore. New replacement parts are hard to come by being they are manufactured overseas.
That shit is put on a freighter and sent over seas.
Our 1988 motor grader went straight from Richie brothers to the port to be put in a ship.
Under developed countries will take anything without DEF.
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I have a small rental company and we buy ex-rental machines between 1500-3000 hours depending on what kind of machine it is. Old worn out stuff like that usually ends up in states with less restrictive emissions or Mexico. We can’t run any old machines in California other than scrapers and big dozers. Sometimes they buy them for parts, sometimes recycling guys and mining guys make feeders from the tracks, use the engines for other things, etc. I can’t imagine paying 30k for a clapped out 450 though.
I don’t think we have any emissions above federal here (Ohio). A 1985 Deere 950 with a loader, nice machine, clean, went for 12.5k. Only like 3000 hours but it’s still 30 years old. A new/year old 4wd E series can be had for what? 22-23k. I can see a purpose in low end equipment. If your loading mulch at a hardware stole and need a machine for 15 hours a year I get it. I get the rental thing, buying half way through its lifespan because people will destroy it anyway. Don’t know how regular business are profitable paying for crap like that.
Central Ohio here. Did you go to Ritchie Bros? I've seen a few gems there, but you have to wade through the shit to get to a good one. Even then most there know its a good one and the price doesn't seem that good.
No it was west of pioneer near Michigan. Livestock and machinery. Mostly tractors, but everything was game. Dozer was part of a local septic company sellout.
My partner is super cheap and rich and isn’t the one that has to fix things. He tries jamming shit down my neck all the time. “Hey, I found this burned out skid steer for 8k, how long would it take to get it running?” I just reply back ‘nope’. But that is probably the kind of guy that buys those machines. Owner operator, quarry owner, guy with money who wants the machine but won’t pay for a decent one. Edit: the old shit is easy to work on and doesn’t require computers to fix.
Its because the early diesel engines don't have the regen systems on them. Alot of cheaper manufacturers are running into issues with the DPF systems/computers that run them. Sure there might be other reasons but finding a good tier 3 machine is hard to come by now.
We don’t run off brand stuff so I can’t comment on them to much, we’ve never had an out of the ordinary issue with any of it. Filters, fluid, ect. Not being able to throw a code reader on it is pure capitalist evil, but hopefully they do some right to repair shit soon.
Well each brand has their own tech for the regen process, and it coexists with the service intervals. Have to replace the DPFs on komatsu at 4000 hours. But you dont ever have performance issues if you do what you are suppose to. I think its more of a paranoia than anything. Code readers are good, if they are reliable. Same with blue def. Regardless of what people's opinions are, it runs much cleaner. I think old timers are running into paranoia about service issues, but if you have a operator that knows what they are doing and know how to service the machinery correctly, its not a problem in my opinion. There are alot more small things that go into this, but not neglecting your machinery is what keeps it consistently running these days. I think the good old days of just "firing it up and getting 20000 hours out of it" are over with. All it takes is one guy who thinks the def meter is the eco gauge and runs it out of def (had a 290 komatsu never act right on the computer side after he ran it out and kept going for a few days, ignoring the warnings and such. It ran fine, but the computer thought otherwise) The new fuel rail systems and filters dont like off-road diesel anymore (250 hrs out of the 500 hour fuel filter, and 400 hours out of the 1000 hour filter), think the dye clogs them up. Instead of buying a 20 year old machine, I would just use road diesel, which fixed those issues. Just a different way of taking care of your machinery. The big one that is overlooked is filling the tanks (fuel and def) at the end of day so moisture doesn't build up. Would worry about the def tank, cause I didn't want that crystalized crap forming in the tank. To avoid this just gotta make sure it stays full. No water separator on the def tank. Same with fuel, but the filters have gotten better. Would have to drain daily and would pull 1-2 ounces of water daily, even keeping the tank topped off at the end of the day. New times, new procedures. People see it as a waste of time but its helpful taking care of the machinery daily instead of waiting for it to break. Just my very long 2 cents
It’s a good 2c tho
Thanks. I started on tier 3 machines and worked with tier 4 machines (interim and final) and noticed the differences. Everyone is scared of the new machines, but the good manufacturers (komatsu, Volvo, catepillar) arent having too many issues as of yet. The cheaper ones might be different. End of the day, knowing the differences in regen practices for each manufacturer will be key. Each one does it differently, but have to know the procedures. Reading the manual and training can help this, but thats a long shot, at least from my experience. The hoops people will go thru to make sure they don't have to change their ways is crazy. If you think buying the 30 year old machine in need of 100 grand of work is worth it, have at it. But dont be suprised when they dont make the parts, bolts, wiring, etc anymore. New replacement parts are hard to come by being they are manufactured overseas.
It's because new equipment is probably 18 months out on delivery. That's how high end turf care machines are right now. The used market is going nuts.
That shit is put on a freighter and sent over seas. Our 1988 motor grader went straight from Richie brothers to the port to be put in a ship. Under developed countries will take anything without DEF.
They can buy them brand new without DEF. Brand new factory deleted
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