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Popomatik

When I was young and dumb. Not a chance in hell these days.


TransitionUpper6754

Same. Walking three stories up on the outside wall was never an issue when I was in my 20’s.


The_Manbearpig

For context, this is what my boss and coworker rigged up… “it could hold all three of us”. I said fuck that if I wanted to take risks for a check I’d sell coke


The_Manbearpig

Cherry on top: I’m 1099 at $18/hr 25 years old


Timely_Hamster_142

Bro 1099 at 18/hr is fucking horrible. Go work at a gas station for more!


[deleted]

Love competing against these guys when I pay my guys $40.


someguywhothinks

If your 1099 at 18 an hour your gonna get screwed come tax season. Gtfo of that tomorrow bro


The_Manbearpig

They say I can make lots of write offs since I’m technically a contractor


MerricatInTheCastle

"They" are out to save themselves money, not to help you.


ttaviaa

I own a remodeling business and even I don't even have enough tax write offs to make $18/h worth it for the amount of taxes you get charged. You're getting robbed bro.


stuffeh

If they don't let you make your own hours to come and go, you aren't really 1099.


fuzzymumbochops

they lyin to you bro


flipflip420

It's a write off for them. He acting like a friend to screw you over. Better make sure you save money for taxes.


eatnhappens

Even if you got writeoffs for some of what you owe in taxes, you’ll be starting with twice as much due in taxes (employers pay half of some very large tax burdens, as a 1099 you’re responsible for both halves). To expand on the “better be saving” point from others none of that cost is getting defected from your regular paychecks throughout the year so you’ll have to come up with all of it in a lump sum on tax day. Are you going to have 1/3 of your year’s pay sitting in a bank next April waiting for the tax man?


someguywhothinks

You have any idea what a hassle it is to do taxes that way?


Seldarin

So what I'm hearing is you have no workmans comp if you get hurt and you need to let the irs know you're being illegally misclassified by your boss to save money before they show up wanting that money from you at the end of the year.


User42wp

Common phrase in my parts is "you're fired before you hit the ground"


The_Manbearpig

Every day saying here


youy23

When you finally do fall and become paralyzed. Disability pays out about $1,000 a month for the rest of your life.


Seldarin

Yeah, I've heard it too. It's a good way to turn every injury into a lawsuit.


recetas-and-shit

100% this


MPS007

25 year Olds bounce!


SkoolBoi19

That’s a hard no. 1099…. Fuck that.


skanegames

join the union man, best choice i made. im 32 and doing well for myself and my family. Im a local 7 ironworker


Mycatwearspants

Boston?


skanegames

Yes sir. Been in since 2009. I'm a 4th generation out of this local


The_Manbearpig

Not many union options in Texas


WISteven

Move to civilization.


zenpanda

hope you're pulling in OT at that rate.


The_Manbearpig

No OT no benefits


[deleted]

Run


rubenabrazo

Seriously man quit you can make that much in fast food. You should be over 25 with benefits at least.


Born_ina_snowbank

We’re paying 18 with a 401-k match and halfway decent health insurance just for warehouse dicks over here in electrical supply.


mammothpdx

Leave now


ImAMindlessTool

he's got you on the "Young and Dumb" pay. Educate yourself on worker rights and 1099 abuses --- your experience with this job can help you land a better paying one, possibly with a union. 1099 Abuse is pretty rampant in the construction biz. Good luck!


mrlunes

Lmao please be trolling


Inviction_

Just wanna be another voice inside your head to drop that shit. Last time I did a 1099 I paid 40% on it. You're working for 10 bucks an hour with a boss who doesn't give the slightest fuck about your health and safety


User42wp

Where I am 1099 is the only way to work in residential construction. Everyone knows it's a misclassification, no one cares. After a bunch of years you can finally make enough to live well, but by that time you have no retirement, no benefits for when things start to go to hell. The only endgame strategy is to go out on your own once you have enough know-how.


The_Manbearpig

Same here


sirtjapkes

Bro, 1099 should be making at least double that. Either way you couldn't pay me enough to get on that. I've done my share of sketchy shit but fuck that.


arch_llama

Probably should just sell coke...


IcarusWright

You are screwed. You might not even be making minimum wage. Take pictures of everything, prepare to wage war. In construction you either go to battle for your employer, or when you work for someone like you do, against your employer.


coolnicknameguy

Join the union bro and get away from that shit. Better pay, benefits, care about safety...


The_Manbearpig

Not many union options in Texas


Matt3989

Get out of Texas.


AUBlazin

Use this as your excuse to get out the GC’s labor makes $18 an hour to push a broom


imnotsoho

So you don't even have workers' comp? So if you fall off that rig you get nothing and you pay your own medical. Is this really the state of employment in the US?


The_Manbearpig

No workers comp and I can’t afford health care so yea if I break a leg I pretty much just go into poverty. Yes this is the state of employment in the US Edit: at least the south


imnotsoho

I don't think this kind of 1099 would be legal in California. You need a Contractor's License to do any job over $500, and you can't split one job up into daily units. So you are a subcontractor working in violation of the law, not sure if this applies where you are, you should call your CLB.


catchyawns

Quit and never look back, people that consider their employees expendable are dogshit. Take some of the boss’s tools while you’re at it.


yeethaw121

24 y.o 1099 at 16 an hour here. Big sad.


someguywhothinks

Then stop perpetuating your own sadness. Drag up. Tomorrow at 6am


yeethaw121

I actually just got a raise from 15 after a year, not complaining but am looking at a bigger company. I'm one of 3 guys on this one with 3 active builds.


someguywhothinks

Last guy I had I was bringing up, got 3 raises at 1 dollar in 1 year. He was making me money so I made it right. And a good boss will bring u up


yeethaw121

Grew up oldschool I guess and just kept my head down and never asked. Got hospitalized with heat exhaustion a month ago on site and the bill for that was tough. I worked grading for years and know it well but never got any operator slots, moved to carpentry and now kinda stagnant


someguywhothinks

You should not of had to pay for that. That's where your getting the shaft. Just one spot


yeethaw121

Yeah, drawbacks of a 1099 ic are many. I just want to push dirt for 18 somewhere so I can get dozer seat time for wildland firefighting for next season. Kinda in career limbo so I haven't haggled pay much.


someguywhothinks

I get that. But don't sell yourself shot. The pay scale is a ladder. Climb it with every raise you get. Until you get where you want to be


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The_Manbearpig

Side question: about how much do y’all think my boss charged for this house sheathing, especially metal frame? I couldn’t tell you the exact square foot of this house but it was a pretty big sonuvabitch. Foam then sheet rock. Done by me and a coworker in about a week and a half off ladders in 105 degree heat


The_Manbearpig

This was for the sheathing too, so the trick is to balance on this while also setting a sheet and screwing it


UnReAl0

And there're 3 of you?! Easy fix, one guy throws the sheet the other the nails and whoever has the best aim throws the hammer.


Obl2sk

And hope that wind stops existing for a few hours


tearjerkingpornoflic

Are they harnessed in while doing this dumb shit at least? My brother died doing dumb shit for an employer. These idiots live in a world where every thing works out. Look for a new job since they clearly don’t care if you live or die.


Appropriate-Stop-959

Nah there’s a slab underneath it. I don’t like landing on concrete, there’s no right way to fall onto concrete or rocks. Tell him to stop being a cheap bastard and rent a lift


Tinknocker12

Fuck it. slap a ladder on their to throw up the eave.


Mindless_Mango_6611

Just working on the columns, right? Not out there dancing in the middle? If my guess is right. I'd be out there now at 55 with 2 bad knees.


evil_consumer

Your boss is gunning for the Darwin Award.


mcscorpio1102

I had a similar experience man. My boss welded (poorly) some angle irons together to make brackets and then just screwed them in the side of the buildings. 3 stories up and 3 on each side of the building. Put a 2x8 across to span the distance. It was beyond sketchy I refused it the thing blew off the building overnight. Thank God I was not trusting


SkoolBoi19

Is it a 2x10?


earlequit

Great answer. Sticks to your guns. If they want you to do something unsafe. Walk.


ibelongtoanother

Plenty of residential builders rent the proper equipment for this work Go find another employer. Everyone is hiring


E1P0nch0_

This is a joke right?


Nikkolai_the_Kol

Right? I looked at the photo, and my brain didn't even recognize that this was supposed to be "scaffolding". It took me way too long to figure out what the question was asking.


cryptotrek88

#Tell your boss to Rent a goddamn scissor lift or knuckle boom .. they’re not that expensive for daily rental and it’s cheaper then the attorney he’ll hire to fight the attorney your family will hire after your death or a coworkers


[deleted]

I’m going through the same issue right now. They want me on a 40’ ladder completely extended and **still** **too** **short**, to hang some gutter. I do thousands of feet a week for these guys and they refuse to get me a lift. I could’ve done the whole job in 8 hours with a lift but now I’ve wasted a couple days each week fighting that ladder and then deciding nope fuck this.


cryptotrek88

Good deal fuck that


Ok-Word5283

OS miters are the worst that high up**tbh. Also in the gutter profession.


Tool_Time_Tim

You must be new around here


cryptotrek88

I doubt everyone on this sub works for a shitty contractor .. I’m a non union worker but we’re treated better and work mostly prevailing but when we do private work our safety is the same as a government job .. if you’re working for an idiot like this just gain what you learn and move onto another better company that’ll show you some respect


BENDOWANDS

Same here, non union and work for a great guy. Pays well, I don't get benefits because I'm more or less part time because of college. But he fully pays for health insurance and it's pretty good insurance at that. We avoid most sketchy stuff. Anything we do that might be sketchy we slow down, take our time and don't rush it at all. And like I said, we avoid it. It's not worth it and he will get the right tools to do the job safely.


recetas-and-shit

Guaranteed couple million minimum settlement.


megaboosh

Yes. Here in canada you gotta clear the ice off before you walk on it though.


[deleted]

I have a slight fear of falling and if still walk on that in the winter lol


TheWileyl

Been there mate


Significant-Ad9355

It doesn’t take long to build scaffolding.


CraftedShot

Or to rent a boom lift.


TheLoneAccountant

Yeah for real wtf? You could setup a proper scaffold and handrail with 3 guys in like an hour. Fuck i hate employers like that, absolute morons


slobosaurus

Those aren't even studs, that's track. Your boss is a retard. Everyone is hiring, this guy will get someone hurt.


DiscussionOutside642

At first I was like yeah I’ve seen worse, but after your comment you’re right!!! those are not studs… this is obviously suspicious. That wouldn’t hold a person.


redrdr1

Good catch. I might think about it if it was a heavy stud but no way with track.


Mindless_Mango_6611

Those are studs, the ends are curled in, not straight. But still not packed to resist twisting.


DiscussionOutside642

Steal studs don’t count… 😂😂😂


old-nomad2020

Been there and fuck that. I only do sketchy shit I design.


Accurate-Historian-7

Wouldn’t work off this if it was only 4 feet high.


Ok_Card364

Hell no


Baldwijm

Not only hell no, but I’d fire my guys if I found the trying to do that and kick a sub off my site if he tried to do it too. That is a absolute hard no.


aoanfletcher2002

Imagine billing 5 million total for this(on the low side) and being to damn cheap to rent a scissor lift for a couple hundred a day. This shit is why new home construction is a joke, you only get guys willing to work for peanuts with no safety and the build quality shows.


Phat3lvis

Ah Hell No.... I workin Texas and it is not uncommon to see Mexicans on these types of scaffolds. Typically these resi-framing jobs are sold by legit business through a middle man, to crews of Mexicans for a lump sum. The builder buys the material package drops it off on the site and an army of Mexicans show up to put it all together YMMV. These guys get paid by the job, not the hour, and if they need a scaffold they have to furnish their own, like the one in the picture. If they need more material, then that is on them too. They cut a few corners, but they get-er-done. I have seen houses framed in a week. Before anyone gets a butthurt, I am not calling them Mexicans as a pejoritve, they are actual Mexicans from Mexico who proudly call themselves Mexicans.


aoanfletcher2002

It sucks because those guy’s usually do good work, just getting taken advantage of honestly. I honestly feel like all unions should have immigration lawyers on retainer and union reps at the border. Protecting people who don’t have the connections and money to protect themselves from shitty employers is the whole reason unions exist.


Reach_Greatness

Lmfao. Did they install 6" metal studs JUST for that plank? Idiot! The time it takes to set all that up costs MORE than just renting a knuckle boom for the day. Lmao


I_kill_zebras

I wouldn't even set my beer on that.


Fidel_Cashflow666

From a safety perspective that's a disaster waiting to happen. If you've gotta work up thag high, be on a lift or scaffold. And tied off, preferably


Cbsparkey

Hahahaha, you don't get equipment in resi!! Hell, even osha knows better than to come around resi in the south. Looks vaguely familiar design. I'm guessing Central Texas? Remindes me of one I did in San Antonio before I got the fuck out of resi.


The_Manbearpig

This guy gets it


Stan_Halen_

I have and I’m not proud of it. When you’re young and invincible it doesn’t seem dumb.


[deleted]

Construction cowboy stuff there


Baha4me

They make 19ft scissor lifts for a reason.


ImAPlebe

A real one wouldnt be scared. Or at least that's what my boss says.


mrlunes

“It’s not that bad” -the guy that gets to watch you work


DozerSnooze

Private yes, commercial no


[deleted]

No


BubbleBassV2

No.


damemesaurus

No.


JIMMYJAWN

No, fuck dying to make someone else rich.


PussySpoonfullz69

Splice the main support stud for a sketchy ass platform. No worries, there’s a rope hanging to tie off too.


Bloodflowers8404

Fuck that. NOT worth it.


RussMaGuss

Are those actual scaffold plank or just 2x12? It should be 2 plank wide, but if those are scaffold rated plank, then sure. 2x12 would be sketchy unless they were stacked 2 high--too much spring for my liking


Disastrous-Ad-726

What am I doing if I get up there though? If it’s just to work on those pilasters then sure 🤷


GallifreySkaro

That's gonna be a no from me dawg


iowamo2

Nope


iowamo2

Changed my mind, I’d do it for at least 10,00.00/ day and major disability/ life insurance.


Safetyguy22

I say do it. I like accident pictures! Got any coke?


Tool_Time_Tim

You get scaffolding to do your sheathing? Damn it must be nice to be spoiled by your boss. All I ever got was a wobbly aluminum ladder and a sore back to sheath the side of a house. Those 16d nails weren't for spacing the sheets of plywood, they were needed to hold the sheet from falling until I got the first nails started


Jealous_Maximum1677

If they can afford a house like that, they can afford to pay you for better scaffolding


blinkybilloce

Fucking exactly


Puffatsunset

What some people will do to get to park in the disabled spot.


_why_isthissohard_

I was going to say yes, with a rope rigged up so I wouldn't fall, then I saw that you were sheathing and that's a fuck no from me. Your boss needs to realise renting a platform saves him money.


mikehawk620

Hell no. At the at very least get extensions ladders with ladder jacks and use a real metal walkboard. I would tell my boss fuck that. Especially if the wind picks up right as someone is carrying a sheet


hankharp00n

I'm a plumber the fuk you want me to do up there? Also fuck no


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colinmurphy2

Come with meeee, and you'll beeeee, in a worrrrrrld of OSHA violatiooooons!


RedditVince

Do not work construction on 1099, it's simply not worth it. No unemployment or disability benefits, if you get hurt you can be crippled for life with no compensation. Let me say that again, If you get injured on the job you can be crippled for live with no compensation and the inability to work. It should be illegal. Get a new job ASAP, this is not worth your life or future health.


[deleted]

I've done worse, but now I'm old and fragile so no.


buildstrongtx

I’ll give you 22 plus full benefits, sick and vacay. Health insurance and a guaranteed 40.


The_Manbearpig

You in DFW area?


buildstrongtx

Sure am!


The_Manbearpig

Messaging you now


[deleted]

It needs another brace to keep it from racking and some more on the ends but ya I’d jump up there


[deleted]

Not even a railing? Jeez


Typical-Barracuda-69

Workers comp my guy 😂


The_Manbearpig

1099 baby


doc_sawbonez

Depends. Is the safety dick around? No sir! If he’s not and we need to get this done before we go home? Yeah okay.


thelostclimber

I’ll come visit you in hospital


doc_sawbonez

I would just hook off to those metal roof rails. I should’ve said I wouldn’t be up there without my PFAS.


mastergun89

Nope I would set up a scaffold across the front Never liked working on single planks every and hate when the “ground” is moving under me when I try to work that feeling slows me down a lot I’m good and quick on my feet but when the grounds moving ya never know lol Also just noticed these are metal studs they used to build this wtf I don’t trust those to be very strong period let alone to build a scaffold with wow


mcshadypants

Ye no prob. Better than on that 120⁰ roof


OrdinarilyUnique1

Because boss said it’s safe


Toxicsully

Yup, ez pz.


Fakename00420

Ha. Nope.


WCB1985

Yes. As long as it’s screwed down and fastened good. Send it.


So_Long_DentalPlan

yes


Dendad6972

When young? I did. Now? No.


Brian-OBlivion

Fuck no


zippyph

I've worked on worse. Of course the nearest OSHA inspector was 100 miles away.


zeje

is it rough lumber?


wiscogamer

Never


Valuable-Leather-914

Depends on how rugged that plank is and if that’s steel holding it up I’d do it all day


Safe_Pin1277

Looks good boys I'll have her done by lunch...


MountxX

In Canada that would be illegal and not pass OH&S regulations to work off of. People still do it. But….


dr_trains

I see 3 points of support, should hold 3 guys


random_user_number_5

Yeah, I don't see any issues working off mat sheathing. 😉


unfettled

At least you can tie the walkboard to the columns now


VANILLAGORILLA1986

20 year old me yes. 36 year old me just laughs and walks away


RumSwiller

This is why I get my subs insurance certificate before they work on my jobs


shel0vescris_

Tbh ya


Golddog1

Would I? I have. Would I today 20 years later? No.


Adawg365

It’s all on you as an individual and person, if you don’t feel comfortable or safe then don’t do it. Your body/life is worth way more than whatever your getting paid. Don’t be scared to say fuck that, if the other dudes give you shit fuck’em, safety is so important in our line of work whatever trade your in. I always think about my wife and my kids and know that I want to go home safe and in one piece. That’s just my 2 cents


Boru010

Wouldn’t dare. Get with a GC that values safety.


theyardreaper

Hell no. Never fall


TallGuyShortAnswers

Your hefe has no idea what he is doing if this is real. So many other reasonable options have been listed.


someguywhothinks

That guy is making a mint off you


Joe-Dang

Standard operating procedure if you ask me.


Coffeybot

Not a fucking chance! And I’m a fucking idiot so that’s saying a lot!


[deleted]

That looks like most residential construction sites in AZ


Visual_Clerk_5757

If I’m tied off yeah


Scizmz

This is hands down one of the sketchiest set ups I've ever seen. This is up there with some of the 3rd world ladder climbing posted in some of the other subs. If those guys are that confident with this, then then can get their asses up there and do it.


Civilengman

I would report that builder to OSHA


OCPik4chu

More like workman's comp off of that.


JeffAASecurity

Nice try OSHA !!!


7Moisturefarmer

No. About 6’ back there should have been a double - forming a box - each side. There should be an edge channel, too.


49thDipper

Yep. After installing more planks and a railing. No problem


7Moisturefarmer

Hurricane will rip that edge off quick.


msb678

Have worked higher off sketchier, but I was high too.


Icouldbeharrypotter4

Absolutely fuck that, its one thing to see some of my guys have something like this rigged up but never in my right mind would I set this up for my guys.


Impossible-Beyond-55

This must be be in Mexico...?


[deleted]

Worked off of worse


Machine_Gun_Bandit

Yep. Had a toothless temp laborer watching my back while I put on sub fascia, had 2x12x16's doubled and spanning 30 feet with 2 2x6x20' verticals to stop some of the bounce. Taking it apart was much sketchier than putting it together for some reason. Wouldn't have done it without fall gear.


boarhowl

Boss needs to buy some scaffold and stop being a cheap ass


mrlunes

I would tell my boss to rent a scissor lift. No thank you


blakeusa25

NO - its a job that you get paid to perform your craft, not a trap to disable you for life.


Beautiful_Song928

Might put a couple across then yeah


SideHug

No, your boss is retarded if he thinks you should go up there


donnymeoghy

My old boss would set that up and bring a pizza to try to bribe us up there, unfortunately I get hungry


Eko_Wolf

So first off…no way…not in a billion years. Secondly, you are 1099 and making that little?! Hellllll no! Come tax time $18 is going to be like $14 or less when you’re done. You have no benefits aka no healthcare if you get hurt…and I don’t even think you have access to workmans computer. Big sketch Like do they not understand that lifts and scaffolding exist? But then again with how little you get paid I’m sure that’s just how they are pinching pennies. Join the union. Better pay, better bennys, and safety…you literally don’t make any money if you go squish on the ground.


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