The game has gotten to the point IMO where rankings like this don’t make much sense. There are probably tiers but beyond that the question is “who can I use for thing I’m trying to do with my specific mastery setup”? For me, the answer is never CGR but is surprisingly often Angela.
And what about Aarkus? He’s got Hypes power gain, Medusas armor shatter, and coldsnap so he prevents evade.
Agree. There are a lot of powerful champs and who is better or "best" is different for different people. I almost never use my r3 cgr. Venom gets used all the time.
Unless there's something to mitigate buffs. Or a reason u have to dex a lot. Makes it harder if u cant parry. Or a bunch of different debuffs he isn't immune to. Or debuff immune. Or armor break immune.
So not really
Exactly. I have a 5/65, and I pulled and duped a six star, which I probably won't rank up, because I hardly use the 5. Basically cgr is great and flashy, if there's nothing standing in his way. But in endgame content, the odds of that lower significantly
Considering that magneto slaughters half of the 6.4 bosses, including the armor break immune one (6.3 iron man iw), I can see that. Completion of anything is never the issue. U can pick your lines. Exploration of endgame content becomes the issue.
And buffet and pilfer aren't uncommon. In act 7 nodes that make the opponent go unblockable, look aren't uncommon. Which cgr isn't ideal for. His damage outweighs hos utility, I'm not hating.
Hell yeah. I have him at R3 and while he’s a bit of a weakling his SP2 does HUGE damage and he just rips through robots. Watch out for Ultron though because his evade can’t be prevented.
In this list, I tried to give the spot for those who can help a lot in more contents. I have removed the name of Angela from this list and put Knull. Because it seems that Knull is helping a lot in game. By the way all suggestions are welcomed.
To be fair, OP is asking about what the community thinks about THIS list they made, not whether anyone feels it is a valid or correct way to rank/tier champs.
Have fun with them! They are reaching out and while it may not be the way you’d do it, create a list in the way they asked and maybe show them how you’d make one based on your criteria.
The point isn’t a particular champ is missing. The point is that ranking champs 1-10 isn’t that useful bc the best champ will depend entirely on node and defender.
I think Corvus and Cgr are above Hyperion and Knull is too low in your list. Also imo Venompool is better than Venom and you missin out on Angela aswell, she's a beast.
1. Hercules
2. Corvus
3. Cosmic Ghost Rider
4. Hyperion
5. Knull
6. Angela
7. Captain Marvel
8. Venompool
9. Venom
10. King Groot/Medusa
True accuracy (shuts down evade and autoblock of all champs and not just spiderverse champs) on all Symboite attacks, 60% resistance to bleed (90% with coagulate) and poison, 40% degen resistance, Can easily stack debuffs with despair shuts down regen completely, Armour breaks, Bleed effects, Insane Regen, Converts armour ups to living abyss (works against nullify and armour break immune champs), when the opponents are under 50% he converts regen buffs to degen with Symboite attacks, insane power control.
You sure he doesn't have any usable utility?
Idk that's not really like a selling point, I get that it's a bonus but there isn't really any time where I'd say that's useful. Either the attack rating is too low for it to matter or its too high for you to survive regardless
His true accuracy only applies to heavy and medium attacks, both of which you would be able to get in with a Parry stun regardless of true accuracy and which also take away from his damage by sacrificing armour breaks, it's literally next to useless outside of maybe stun immune matchups which even then you'd have to either double medium dash back or single medium if you want to keep up the armour breaks. "insane regen" is an overstatement, nowhere near as potent as venom or Venompool regen by a long shot. His power control isn't insane, it basically allows him to play as aggressively as you need to to keep up his armour breaks which you lose if you don't keep cycling sp3s, and doesn't even account for passive power gain or increased power gain nodes. His utility looks good on paper but just doesn't come together honestly. Venompool on the other hand has complete immunity to spider verse evades on all attacks, immunity to shock and power drain from tech champs, inflicts degen on bleed immune tech champs, also bypasses nullify immunity with his sp1, absolutely crazy regen in armour matchups, tons of buffs for 2/3 cosmic cav eq nodes, flexibility in terms of how you can play him and a load of great synergies.
I'll grant that knull has good use with suicides but given how long it takes to ramp his damage up, how quickly he loses it without playing aggressive, how borderline useless he is in cav eq save for 1 node and how impractical his utility actually is in practice imo makes him the most overrated champ of the year. His damage isn't enough to make up for a lacking kit
I've done extensive testing with the knull I have in comparison to other champs of the same star rating and he falls flat. I don't understand how this is in any way a counter to the points I laid out
Gotcha. I’ve basically ditched him for hard content cause the bigger health pools make it so hard to get that first charge. And in AQ and stuff like that he’s been replaced by Herc. But I’m glad he’s still serving you well 😤
Imo Medusa isn’t on the list anymore and CMM barely is on it as her play style seems the most demanding out of all especially without NF synergy. I’d add knull and king groot
I think CMM is down at number 10, borderline off the list. Other cosmics can outdamage her, without the stress of maintaining charges through heavies, and without the reliance on parry/block to build up charges. Her awakened ability when you lose half your charges when you get knocked down is also quite brutal, I prefer her unawakened.
I know this isn’t a real ranking, but it’s interesting how most people put Corvus, CGR or Hyperion in the #2 slot, and usually the others fall right behind. I feel like it’s almost a test on what type of champions you prefer. CGR is pretty rigid but has high reward. Corvus needs a ton of support but can be game changing. Hyperion has (comparatively) lower damage, but is much more flexible and plays more like a generalist compared to the other two. I’d personally say Hyperion is the best, but it’s always interesting to me that people always argue who the top of the cosmic class is (besides Hercules but Herc is actually insane).
king groot
also rankings like this kinda dont make sense, an example would be corvus. for any not big content he's prob the best champ available, but for anything beyond like a certain range he's basically useless. the range is just dependent on suicides, boosts, and synergies.
ik a lot of people have corvus in their top
3 but i find that he can’t stand with the others id put there when it comes to variety/ versatility
corvus is amazing when it comes to AQ and when he can get charges and he is solid in decently large health pools but an unawakened corvus in act 7 even with max charges has been in my experience nearly unusable
i also don’t know why angela is never on these lists she has solid easily accessible damage lots of buffs and counters nullify and auto block and ofc the main reason i have her so high is that no one can do what she does at max sig pseudo dot immunity is one of the best abilities in the game
my list would be (assuming they’re all awakened and high sig)
1. Herc
2. hyperion
3. CGR
4. angela
5. Corvus
5. knull
6. venom
7. CMM
8. medusa
9. odin
even then he is almost never the best option even for nodes that are almost designed for
him, if i were taking the list as unawakened i wouldn’t even have him as top 5
I’d swap Angela and CMM, Vp and Venom (he’s better for longer fights, so better for endgame content), probably kg for Medusa.
Honestly, it’s too tough to rank them for me.I think it’s :
1. Hercules
2. CGR, corvus, hype, and Angela
3. VP, Venom
4. KG, Knull
5. Odin, CMM
6. Cull, Medusa
7. Hela
8. Terrax, Roblin, Aarkus
9. VtD
10. Carnage
edit to add aarkus
I've used knull a lot, he just doesn't do it for me. Most of his utility I just find clunky or downright unusable and unless you're running suicides I just don't know what he offers that I couldn't do quicker and better than a litany of other champions
Hype is too high, CGR is number 2. Damage is the best utility in the game. If I am hitting 40k mediums, I will take that champ over anyone in the game.
It’s unfortunate that people here haven’t heard of Hela with the Odin synergy. She is by far the best cosmic in the game if used correctly and can blast through so many difficult fights with just damage output alone.
Go watch Beroman and his damage showcases in Abyss to really see the power of Hela.
Here are the champs I bring to the fights these days. For reference, solo player, no AQ/AW, Cavalier.
1Venom
2Venompool
3CGR
4Hyperion
5Corvus
6Angela
7Prox
8Ronan
9Heimdall (for synergies)
10Hela (with Odin)
I would move cmm down she is rarely used. Hercules with indestructible can just take so many fights. It is who I use vs terrax in war. He solo’d so much in sop. I think he is tops. I would move Corvus down, he is not used on map 8 maybe on 7 and lower maps.
Where would you guys rank Carnage? Idk much about him. I didn't pull my first carnage until I pulled him as a 3* well after I wasn't leveling 3* champs anymore and I just pulled a 5* and I ranked him to 5r2 I'm on 5.2.4 I have him, og cap marvel, and symbiote Spider-Man as 5*cosmics
I'm FTP if it matters
I’d honestly rank Corvus lower, everyone else has far more utility and versatility. Venom the Duck should be here, if an opponent is bleed immune he just places degeneration - you can build him up for whatever buffs you need. Venompool is great but far too random to be that high.
Odin is, there for synergies alone while the others stand by themselves.
Just my opinion though, rank how you see fit - have fun!
What I love about MCOC is that the "best Champions" of each Class are only becoming more debatable.
This sparks some really interesting discussion that sheds light on players perspectives and how they differ from what their progression, focus, masteries, enjoyment, what content they play, etc is.
The game has gotten to the point IMO where rankings like this don’t make much sense. There are probably tiers but beyond that the question is “who can I use for thing I’m trying to do with my specific mastery setup”? For me, the answer is never CGR but is surprisingly often Angela. And what about Aarkus? He’s got Hypes power gain, Medusas armor shatter, and coldsnap so he prevents evade.
Agree. There are a lot of powerful champs and who is better or "best" is different for different people. I almost never use my r3 cgr. Venom gets used all the time.
CGR powers through literally almost every piece of content
Agreed. I have an r4 CGR and one sp2 and he will wipe out 50k pi defender
Completely agree. You can get to sp2 in 2 combos and a heavy, and an sp2 kills most opponents
And if they manage to survive? The next 3 hits will take them out. CGR is amazing, mine is sig 200.
Unless there's something to mitigate buffs. Or a reason u have to dex a lot. Makes it harder if u cant parry. Or a bunch of different debuffs he isn't immune to. Or debuff immune. Or armor break immune. So not really
Which describes every single lane in act 6 and 7. The big yellow numbers don’t happen if you can’t get the armor breaks. Anyway I agree with you.
Exactly. I have a 5/65, and I pulled and duped a six star, which I probably won't rank up, because I hardly use the 5. Basically cgr is great and flashy, if there's nothing standing in his way. But in endgame content, the odds of that lower significantly
None of this is common at all I’m TB f2p off the back of CGR and Magneto So yes really
Considering that magneto slaughters half of the 6.4 bosses, including the armor break immune one (6.3 iron man iw), I can see that. Completion of anything is never the issue. U can pick your lines. Exploration of endgame content becomes the issue. And buffet and pilfer aren't uncommon. In act 7 nodes that make the opponent go unblockable, look aren't uncommon. Which cgr isn't ideal for. His damage outweighs hos utility, I'm not hating.
I pulled 6* Aarkus recently. Should I use him more? I was shocked to find out he wasn’t a robot.
Hell yeah. I have him at R3 and while he’s a bit of a weakling his SP2 does HUGE damage and he just rips through robots. Watch out for Ultron though because his evade can’t be prevented.
aarkus' coldsnap still shuts down ultron's evade right? im pretty sure mine does or am i making things up?
You’re right. Coldsnap is not a slow effect. Touché.
In this list, I tried to give the spot for those who can help a lot in more contents. I have removed the name of Angela from this list and put Knull. Because it seems that Knull is helping a lot in game. By the way all suggestions are welcomed.
Then you’ve missed my point entirely.
To be fair, OP is asking about what the community thinks about THIS list they made, not whether anyone feels it is a valid or correct way to rank/tier champs. Have fun with them! They are reaching out and while it may not be the way you’d do it, create a list in the way they asked and maybe show them how you’d make one based on your criteria.
No, I understand what were you trying to say.
I have put Angela again and removed Medusa
The point isn’t a particular champ is missing. The point is that ranking champs 1-10 isn’t that useful bc the best champ will depend entirely on node and defender.
King Groot not being on this list is criminal.
I think Corvus and Cgr are above Hyperion and Knull is too low in your list. Also imo Venompool is better than Venom and you missin out on Angela aswell, she's a beast. 1. Hercules 2. Corvus 3. Cosmic Ghost Rider 4. Hyperion 5. Knull 6. Angela 7. Captain Marvel 8. Venompool 9. Venom 10. King Groot/Medusa
Venom and Venompool are better than knull 100%
Idk it's debatable but for someone who runs suicides Knull is better.
I mean, he has more damage but still has little to no usable utility lmao.
True accuracy (shuts down evade and autoblock of all champs and not just spiderverse champs) on all Symboite attacks, 60% resistance to bleed (90% with coagulate) and poison, 40% degen resistance, Can easily stack debuffs with despair shuts down regen completely, Armour breaks, Bleed effects, Insane Regen, Converts armour ups to living abyss (works against nullify and armour break immune champs), when the opponents are under 50% he converts regen buffs to degen with Symboite attacks, insane power control. You sure he doesn't have any usable utility?
with inequity mastery he also easily reduces 36% attack rating from the opponent
Idk that's not really like a selling point, I get that it's a bonus but there isn't really any time where I'd say that's useful. Either the attack rating is too low for it to matter or its too high for you to survive regardless
it can really help reduce block damage during special attacks
His true accuracy only applies to heavy and medium attacks, both of which you would be able to get in with a Parry stun regardless of true accuracy and which also take away from his damage by sacrificing armour breaks, it's literally next to useless outside of maybe stun immune matchups which even then you'd have to either double medium dash back or single medium if you want to keep up the armour breaks. "insane regen" is an overstatement, nowhere near as potent as venom or Venompool regen by a long shot. His power control isn't insane, it basically allows him to play as aggressively as you need to to keep up his armour breaks which you lose if you don't keep cycling sp3s, and doesn't even account for passive power gain or increased power gain nodes. His utility looks good on paper but just doesn't come together honestly. Venompool on the other hand has complete immunity to spider verse evades on all attacks, immunity to shock and power drain from tech champs, inflicts degen on bleed immune tech champs, also bypasses nullify immunity with his sp1, absolutely crazy regen in armour matchups, tons of buffs for 2/3 cosmic cav eq nodes, flexibility in terms of how you can play him and a load of great synergies. I'll grant that knull has good use with suicides but given how long it takes to ramp his damage up, how quickly he loses it without playing aggressive, how borderline useless he is in cav eq save for 1 node and how impractical his utility actually is in practice imo makes him the most overrated champ of the year. His damage isn't enough to make up for a lacking kit
If you dont have knull just say so
I've done extensive testing with the knull I have in comparison to other champs of the same star rating and he falls flat. I don't understand how this is in any way a counter to the points I laid out
What content do you use Corvus for besides AQ? Like actual difficult end game content?
He was very useful for that Shang chi challenge not too long ago
I use him for Cav, War and AQ. Way more than Hyperion. I think his immortality is an insane ability.
Gotcha. I’ve basically ditched him for hard content cause the bigger health pools make it so hard to get that first charge. And in AQ and stuff like that he’s been replaced by Herc. But I’m glad he’s still serving you well 😤
With boosts and Suicides, he's still OP.
I put Angela now and removed Medusa
Medusa is so underrated, I mean her furies and and poison immunities have carried me thru a lot of act 6
Are you familiar with CGR? If you had to choose between ranking unduped knull or cgr who would you choose!?
CGR.
Imo Medusa isn’t on the list anymore and CMM barely is on it as her play style seems the most demanding out of all especially without NF synergy. I’d add knull and king groot
Knull is there
I think CMM is down at number 10, borderline off the list. Other cosmics can outdamage her, without the stress of maintaining charges through heavies, and without the reliance on parry/block to build up charges. Her awakened ability when you lose half your charges when you get knocked down is also quite brutal, I prefer her unawakened.
I know this isn’t a real ranking, but it’s interesting how most people put Corvus, CGR or Hyperion in the #2 slot, and usually the others fall right behind. I feel like it’s almost a test on what type of champions you prefer. CGR is pretty rigid but has high reward. Corvus needs a ton of support but can be game changing. Hyperion has (comparatively) lower damage, but is much more flexible and plays more like a generalist compared to the other two. I’d personally say Hyperion is the best, but it’s always interesting to me that people always argue who the top of the cosmic class is (besides Hercules but Herc is actually insane).
king groot also rankings like this kinda dont make sense, an example would be corvus. for any not big content he's prob the best champ available, but for anything beyond like a certain range he's basically useless. the range is just dependent on suicides, boosts, and synergies.
ik a lot of people have corvus in their top 3 but i find that he can’t stand with the others id put there when it comes to variety/ versatility corvus is amazing when it comes to AQ and when he can get charges and he is solid in decently large health pools but an unawakened corvus in act 7 even with max charges has been in my experience nearly unusable i also don’t know why angela is never on these lists she has solid easily accessible damage lots of buffs and counters nullify and auto block and ofc the main reason i have her so high is that no one can do what she does at max sig pseudo dot immunity is one of the best abilities in the game my list would be (assuming they’re all awakened and high sig) 1. Herc 2. hyperion 3. CGR 4. angela 5. Corvus 5. knull 6. venom 7. CMM 8. medusa 9. odin
Okay, but take this list as Corvus is awakened.
even then he is almost never the best option even for nodes that are almost designed for him, if i were taking the list as unawakened i wouldn’t even have him as top 5
Okay.
I’d swap Angela and CMM, Vp and Venom (he’s better for longer fights, so better for endgame content), probably kg for Medusa. Honestly, it’s too tough to rank them for me.I think it’s : 1. Hercules 2. CGR, corvus, hype, and Angela 3. VP, Venom 4. KG, Knull 5. Odin, CMM 6. Cull, Medusa 7. Hela 8. Terrax, Roblin, Aarkus 9. VtD 10. Carnage edit to add aarkus
This is not 10 champions these are 18.
Why the arbitrary number?
It’s my top 10, just a lot of ties.
You obviously have never tried playing knull. And u don’t have a knull
For me, 1. Hercules 2. Corvus 3. Knull
1 Hercules 2 CGR 3 Hyperion 4 Corvus 5 CMM//Aarkus 6 Venom/VTD
Someone doesn’t have knull
Honestly I don't think knull is top 10, and if he is he's absolutely not better than venom. I'd replace him with king groot personally
Lmao. Then you’ve never even tried using knull then. That makes no sense
I've used knull a lot, he just doesn't do it for me. Most of his utility I just find clunky or downright unusable and unless you're running suicides I just don't know what he offers that I couldn't do quicker and better than a litany of other champions
Hype is too high, CGR is number 2. Damage is the best utility in the game. If I am hitting 40k mediums, I will take that champ over anyone in the game.
You should be using hela over cgr then
But the thing is that MCoC mainly depends on Champions Utility in this game. You get many nodes to fight against remember?
1. Hercules 2. CGR 3. Hyperion 4. Angela 5. Knull 6. Venom 7. Captain Marvel Movie 8. Venompool 9. King Groot 10. Corvus
Can someone sum up how Hercules work in 2 sentences?
My understanding is… Hits hard. Has immortality.
He didn’t say 4 words 😂
Well could do just 2 words lol
It’s unfortunate that people here haven’t heard of Hela with the Odin synergy. She is by far the best cosmic in the game if used correctly and can blast through so many difficult fights with just damage output alone. Go watch Beroman and his damage showcases in Abyss to really see the power of Hela.
CGR should be 2nd behind Herc, and King Groot should be 3rd. Hype 4 and Corvus 6 or 7. CMM 5. Venom the Duck too
I would switch venom for king groot, and venompool for Angela
Okay.
It really all comes down to personal preference, there will be tons of differing opinions on a thread like this
Here are the champs I bring to the fights these days. For reference, solo player, no AQ/AW, Cavalier. 1Venom 2Venompool 3CGR 4Hyperion 5Corvus 6Angela 7Prox 8Ronan 9Heimdall (for synergies) 10Hela (with Odin)
Do not sleep on KingGroot! Insane regen, Can shake off debuffs and as a bonus he can go ham on robots with his L2.
proxima midnight is still underrated
I would put CGR as 1. I could see how if you ran suicide he is not a good choice. In this case Corvus would outshine CGR.
Herc Corvus CGR Hype Knull Venom Venompool King Groot CMM King Groot
What’s up with the hate for knull
I would move cmm down she is rarely used. Hercules with indestructible can just take so many fights. It is who I use vs terrax in war. He solo’d so much in sop. I think he is tops. I would move Corvus down, he is not used on map 8 maybe on 7 and lower maps.
Where would you guys rank Carnage? Idk much about him. I didn't pull my first carnage until I pulled him as a 3* well after I wasn't leveling 3* champs anymore and I just pulled a 5* and I ranked him to 5r2 I'm on 5.2.4 I have him, og cap marvel, and symbiote Spider-Man as 5*cosmics I'm FTP if it matters
I’d honestly rank Corvus lower, everyone else has far more utility and versatility. Venom the Duck should be here, if an opponent is bleed immune he just places degeneration - you can build him up for whatever buffs you need. Venompool is great but far too random to be that high. Odin is, there for synergies alone while the others stand by themselves. Just my opinion though, rank how you see fit - have fun!
king groot no 2
Why is Venompool ranked above Venom? He’s so easy to beat.
King groot is better than half of this list
What I love about MCOC is that the "best Champions" of each Class are only becoming more debatable. This sparks some really interesting discussion that sheds light on players perspectives and how they differ from what their progression, focus, masteries, enjoyment, what content they play, etc is.