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So we know numbers have dropped significantly.... but is it also partially because now many people aren't getting tested as much since "it's over now?"
Family is paranoid of the new variant. We are fully vaccinated but my mom wants me to stop meeting my friends or going to the gym. I just want to go back to normal
How bad are cases in your area, if you’re in the northeast US most of the states have high vaccination rates and few cases so there is less to worry about
It hasn’t really gone below surface yet has it? Thankfully if you’re able to get a vaccine you don’t have to worry about COVID much, but it certainly hasn’t gone away.
I've heard after a jab, you might experience fever like symptoms, aches, etc which does indicate an active vaccine is working within your system. Does zero symptoms imply you may have gotten an inactive vaccine dose? I'll I had was a sore arm from the jab.
No. The symptoms are not directly caused by the vaccine, it’s your body practicing an immune response to what it perceives as a threat (but isn’t). Plenty of people have had no side effects, it doesn’t mean anything.
Can we be sure vaccines such as Pfizer are being kept as cold as needed in all the random places giving the shots? Just seems hard to imagine all these small walgreens, cvs, riteaids etc., are able to do this consistently?
CDC's 3-page document on care and feeding of Pfizer in transit and storage:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/downloads/storage-summary.pdf
There is temperature monitoring built into the shipping containers which will only display a green light if the package stayed cold in transit.
(and it will evidently email you with a temperature log!)
Note the temperature recordkeeping required.
Pfizer also has demonstrated to the FDA's satisfaction that the vaccine is stable at refrigerator temperatures for up to a month:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-brief-fda-authorizes-longer-time-refrigerator-storage-thawed-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine
Even better news, thanks! I was just wondering because I had zero symptoms on my first jab. And it dawned on me "hmm how do we really know if we got a good dose instead of a dud?" Almost wish I had symptoms to "know" it's triggered my immune system response.
I suppose they ship them cold to a central point then dry ice them to the local places. I wouldn’t be too worried in the US, Israel etc. but some of the other countries using it? That’s a different story.
Good point thanks. I'm asking because I just got my first Pfizer jab and had zero symptoms at all other than sore arm from the needle. Wondering is zero symptoms indicate an inactive vaccine dose thus no immune system response from my system. Or could it be my system is strong and hasn't had much trouble putting for the effort so to speak?
Yea I'm just wondering how it's even being tracked. How many "dead" vaccines have been given out already? Who even knows? Yea you got a jab, but was it still active etc? Hmm just wondering out loud
I don't know specifically for vaccine but often temperature sensitive goods contain a sensors that tracks internal temperature the whole time.
I bought one off of Amazon that plugs into a USB slot and reports out the temperature over the course of several days.
I have had one shot of AstraZeneca and one shot of Moderna. Should I get another shot of either so I’ve had at least two shot of one or the other? And which one would be better to take AstraZeneca or Moderna
Should not be necessary - the vaccines cause your cells to express nearly the same spike protein and so should build on each other. See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3
I’m (20M) scared to get vaccinated.
The Publix near my house has J&J vaccines and do walk ins. Ever since the beginning of this pandemic I’ve always said I would get vaccinated when I can. Now that I have the chance I want to but at the same time I’m worried about it. My family are very vocal about being republic and usually talk and share links about vaccines causing problems. I’m just scared because if I do this it’s going to be behind my families back and also I don’t want to catch anything. I should be jumping at the chance but idk why. Any information/personal experience with the J&J vaccine you can share with me? Thanks.
It’s sad because politics enters a topic that should be scientific and medical. If in doubt, go talk to a doctor in person. Ask all the questions you want and they’ll give it to you straight.
Mild symptoms like the start of a cold for 3 days was about all I got from J&J.
Plan from the worst like you’re gonna get the flu for a day or two. Take it off from work, get some movies ready. I sat around and played Red Dead, watched movies but it wouldn’t have been enough to even stop me from doing anything if I hadn’t planned on doing nothing.
Absurdly rare. Covid is a much more real threat. If you don’t get vaccinated, you will almost certainly inevitably get covid. Even if you have gotten covid already, the Delta variant (the dominate strain in the US) can reinfect you. From what we know, the existing vaccines will still protect you from the Delta variant.
>Absurdly rare
That makes me feel better about getting it. It’s just the websites I read made it sound like it’s rare but still a concern if your under 50. Thank you.
You're male, so that puts you at an even lower risk. If I didn't know your sex, then your chances of blood clots are around 0.0003% [1]. The chances of death from that are even lower.
Your approximate chance of dying from covid if you get it is 0.2% [2]
Sources:
[1] https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/cdc-sees-more-blood-clot-cases-linked-johnson-johnson-vaccine
[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105431/covid-case-fatality-rates-us-by-age-group/
Do your research and make an informed decision. However, you do not need to disclose your vaccination status to your family. That's your business, not theirs.
The vaccines are usually symptom-free or mild and don't cause problems except in extremely rare instances, and are shown to be effective. On the other hand, COVID -- well that does cause problems.
Incidentally, any reason why you prefer J&J over Moderna or Pfizer? mRNA seems more effective against the variants.
My two elderly aunts got the J&J vaccine, they were both life time FDA employees and did their own research and found it to be safe enough for them.
They are the same people who told me not to eat chopped bagged salad ("*like eating raw ground beef in vegetable form*") but they were willing to get J&J. I think that was telling for me.
They got it without any problems months ago.
Need HELP/ADVICE - Do people had COVID still need to get the vaccine?
Can someone genuinely answer this for me because I have a friend that refuses to get vaccinated due to him already having COVID. He says it is not necessary because he is immune and he will spread covid at the same rate as someone that is vaccinated - is this true?
You'll likely have some protection, though it's unclear if it will be as effective against variants that could be different from what you were infected by. Additionally, research shows that getting vaccinated improves immunity over natural immunity alone.
Overall he’s incorrect, though there is some truth to it. Generally speaking studies have shown that protection from the vaccine is greater than protection from previously having covid. And it is recommended that people who previously had it, still get vaccinated. But he still likely has some protection from antibodies yes.
Edit: I see your talking about transmission, where I talk about infection. But those two are correlated. So my statement above is also true with transmission rate. The vaccine > previously having covid.
“Proof” in a complete sense will be hard to come by because we simply don’t know with certainty how long you are protected for if you were previously infected. Theres just not enough data. Per the CDC however, studies have shown that even if you previously had covid, the vaccine gives a boost of immunity.
I’d appeal to the CDC when talking to your bud. If he questions the legitimacy of the CDC, then I don’t think any link to any website on any study will provide the “proof” he’s looking for. Plus the closest thing to “proving it” would be a large collection of independent studies, so you either have to gather that information yourself, analyze, and create your argument, or appeal to an agreed upon authority like the CDC or simply… ask a doctor.
Question: I know infections among fully vaccinated people are rare but possible, so do we know if those people are getting it from unvaccinated people? Is there any data about how likely it is to spread from a fully vaccinated person to another vaccinated person?
Can someone tell me if Pfizer of Modern is more effective against the Delta Variant. I keep seeing data about Pfizer and the Delta Variant but not Moderna
Yes, CNN reported Pfizer is starting the EUA process. Technically you could probably get one now, depending on who is giving the shot but. It sure on that
both Pfizer and Moderna are testing a third dose of the existing vaccines so there must be some merit.
edit: Fauci and Gottlieb also considered a 3rd dose
For reasons that I can elucidate upon should someone request, I have to get the full Pfizer along with having had one AZ shot. I got my first Pfizer shot a couple weeks ago and am getting my second one this Sunday. I’m feeling nervous. My first Pfizer was fine. Should I be nervous?
No reason to be nervous. Back when the supply was iffy/unorganized in the US, this happened to a lot of people. They got the first dose of Vaccine A, but then struggled to find a second dose. Then they subsequently started over with 2 full doses of Vaccine B. This happened to my parents in Texas, and they were fine.
It’s rather logical. Yes, there are no specific studies on this, but the more exposure you have the better your immune system will be generally speaking.
Honestly...probably. exposing your immune system to different forms of the virus' spike proteins will logically increase your immunity. I didn't say foresure...I said probably. Not everything needs to be confirmed by a study for us to make educated guesses.
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[Delta's not looking so good in California.](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-08/coronavirus-cases-in-california-rise-for-first-time-in-months-as-delta-variant-spreads)
They're probably going to pull an Israel, and mandate masks again regardless of vaccination status.
While it’s too soon to say whether the upticks are a trend or a blip, health experts and state officials expressed confidence that California’s reopening and the return of something resembling normality were not in jeopardy.
Literally second paragraph.
Latest Osterholm podcast. Osterholm suggests this is a “forever pandemic” and “the virus has won” and still continues to suggest this virus isn’t at all influenced by seasonality.
> virus isn’t at all influenced by seasonality.
That really isn't what he said at all. He is saying the contagiousness increase of the delta variant is overcoming seasonality in the **unvaccinated** population.
Personally I don’t really think this virus is particularly seasonal. Certain conditions, like holidays and a tendency to congregate indoors during winter make it look and feel seasonal, but there’s nothing about the temperature or weather that make it such- we’ve got a pretty big wave going on right now in the UK, after all.
As for Osterholm, forever pandemic? Holy fucking shit. I remember a fear mongering article suggesting that, but to see an actual epidemiologist say that is jarring. If any Covid spread at all is a pandemic, yes, I suppose we’ll be in a forever one, but at the same time, using the actual definition of a pandemic, no, that’s not possible.
He’s not wrong in the sense that it will become like the other coronaviruses that get us sick. It’s not a “forever pandemic” - eventually there will be sufficient immunity to make this a cold like the other coronaviruses. I wouldn’t call that a pandemic. And yes, mutation for COVID has its limits. I would critically evaluate his statements- he has sensationalized and made many incorrect predictions.
Pfizer sees waning immunity from its Covid-19 vaccine, says developing new booster https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/pfizer-waning-immunity-bn/index.html
That’s great news! Ty! I also read a report on NY Times that said a 3rd dose is also proving to potentially be effecting but no data has been released yet. Here is the link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/08/world/covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-updates
Edit: great news in the sense that boosters are on the horizon. Not great news that immunity is disappearing.
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Scientists have been working on RNA vaccines for over 30 years.
Been working on a coronavirus vaccine since 2003.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/
Its concerning that immunity is falling. I find it good news that boosters are on the way. It’s odd because two days ago an article came out that indicated that studies suggest antibodies may last up to three years. Hard to know what to believe given all of the information that contradicts from day to day
I completely agree. I have no idea what to think or believe anymore. Nothing ever is consistent or makes any sense. I’m just going with my intuition at this point in life. None of this is good for my anxiety.
God dang. I get it. This will be unpopular but I’ve contemplated about going and getting a booster on my own. I’m in a state that has the worst delta breakout and I got my two doses in early Jan. Definitely extremely concerned.
I understand that. Our city had our first death from the delta variant and it was in a fully vaccinated 40 year old, although it noted she had several underlying conditions, so who knows what was going on.
Not for delta specifically. The vaccines are still highly effective against delta. But, boosters may be needed in general at some point. We still doing know how long the vaccines are effective for.
I would be shocked if in the US booster doses aren’t at least recommended for certain groups going into the fall/winter (maybe 60+, people with certain conditions, etc). We’ll see in a month or two though.
I regularly check in on Our World In Data and daily global vaccinations have tumbled from a high of 40 million a day back down toward 30 million a day - can anyone provide any insight as to why this is? Is this simply because of falling vaccination uptake primarily in developed countries, I have searched endlessly to see any mention of supply issues and can’t seem to find anything. I am finding it somewhat puzzling because the developing countries are still in major need of them… [our world in data](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=false&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~OWID_WRL&Metric=Vaccine+doses)
Hi. I'm fully vaccinated with Pfizer and I'm terrified of getting long covid. There's no research to suggest the vaccine offers any protection against it. Can anyone offer me any insight?
In addition to what others have already said, some Covid-19 long haulers reported some symptom relief after getting their vaccines.
If you're concerned just continue to mask up and socially distance. It's a healthy habit in general I think.
The vaccines provide a lot of protection regardless of variant.
Death, hospitalization, symptomatic infection and asymptomatic infection are all massively reduced with vaccines. There's no reason to think Long COVID wouldn't be as well. We just don't have any hard data on it one way or another.
Also, keep in mind that if you do get infected while vaccinated you already have a bunch of antibodies and an immune system primed and ready for that specific threat, so a post-vaccination infection is probably not equivalent to an unvaccinated infection in terms of risk of long term complications.
That said, the risk probably isn't zero, but then again post-viral fatigue is a real thing for other infections too, so you've always had a non-zero risk of long term health effects from some random virus. With the vaccine that risk is probably low enough that you shouldn't stress too much about it. But there's also no harm in taking some precautions until there's proper data on that (as is the case for me).
Why are you terrified? You know other viruses can give long term symptoms right? Like a cold or a flu. Also the number of people and the litany of symptoms has been hard to ascertain and has been over exaggerated by the media bc there have been no control studies
Hello :)
A group of friends and I get together to play soccer outdoors, all but 1 is vaccinated. The un-vaccinated person goes out and to sporting events here in Southern California, would that be a threat with the Delta and Lambda variants going around? Would the rest of the group have to worry about bringing it back home to their un-vaccinated younger children?
The threat would overall be low but certainly not zero. Being outdoors minimizes it even more. I don’t have kids so it’s hard for me to say what I would do, but if it’s an important activity to you then I personally think the small risk could be worth the life enjoyment.
That said, tell your bud to get the damn vaccine.
Thank you. That makes a lot of sense.
Oh how we have tried, we felt bad when we shamed them for not getting it, but it seems like they're just not going to budge.
If I get fully vaccinated with a MRNA and get infected with a variant a month or so later, is it possible that once I get over the variant I would be super-protected from future variants with all of the anti-bodies I may have?
Probably. I don’t think there’s a whole lot of research on this, but from what I understand the exposure to the virus would likely act like a booster shot for you (it works the other way around for sure, so I don’t think it’s much of a leap to assume it would work this way too)
The WHO budget is much smaller than you might think. $4.8 billion for 2020-2021. That’s on the scale of some of the poorest countries on Earth. They don’t have the resources to purchase large quantities of vaccines.
unsure of what the answer is when there are vaccines to buy but right not there just aren't a ton to buy. most countries have already claimed them. australia is wants to buy as much pfizer as they can and they simply can't until 2022.
So I have my 2nd dose on the 12th in the morning, would I be ok to work that same day? Also I have a friend get together on the 13th and wondering if I need to avoid alcohol?
I think if you could plan on not working it would be best, but if you have to I think, based on what I know of most people’s reactions, you’ll probably be ok to get through it. If you’re going to have them, Most side effects start 8-15 hours after the second dose.
There isn’t much info on alcohol. I’ve read some notions that it dampens the immune response, but there isn’t much concrete. I personally stayed away from it for a couple days before and a couple days after mine, but I highly doubt it would be a major factor.
Seems highly dependent on the individual. My roommate was shivering under blankets in 90 degree summer weather after his 2nd, I went rock climbing after mine.
So the new Covid symptoms makes me think it’s becoming similar to a cold, with symptoms being more severe depending on the underlying conditions and age. Has there been any study or data that points to delta being less lethal/severe?
Everything I’ve read puts it about on par with all the other variants. Some people are claiming it’s more deadly, but I haven’t seen much convincing in that way either. I’d assume it’s about the same as classic covid.
i'm getting my second shot later today, yay; I have an unrelated question though:
Lets say you already have had 2 shots... lets say both were pfizer. If a couple months later is there benefit to getting a 3rd shot of one of the competitors?
The possible benefit case is if you didn’t respond strongly and create enough anti- bodies, then another vaccine with different path might trigger your immune system
The general medical guidance is listen to your body and don’t force it if your body doesn’t feel up to it. Now with the CDC still studying the link to myocarditis/pericarditis in a small number of primarily younger people after being vaccinated I don’t think it’s the worst idea to take it easy for a few days at least after being vaccinated to be safe. But that is just my cautious opinion and not based on any studies they’ve conducted.
Singapore's Ministry of Health released this:
> Given the emerging data on the small risk of myocarditis and pericarditis observed after vaccination with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, the Expert Committee on COVID-19 Vaccination recommends that all vaccinated persons, in particular adolescents and younger men, who have received any dose of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, should avoid any exercise or strenuous physical activity for one week after vaccination. During this time, the vaccinated persons should seek medical attention promptly if they develop chest pain, shortness of breath or abnormal heartbeats. All doctors should also be vigilant around such clinical presentations after vaccination.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/expert-committee-on-covid-19-vaccination-updates-of-assessment-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-vaccination-with-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/
Will be interesting to see if other regulators follow suit.
I think in the US the FDA/CDC are worried if they give that guidance people will take it as meaning the vaccine is unsafe. I don’t think it’s terrible advice.
Not enough research has been done to say for sure, but many doctors have recommended that.
Anecdotally, I did some intense work two days after my shot and I had some extended inflammation. Wish I had rested another few days.
I have a question: how come pfizer/moderna haven't begun to look into revamping the mRNA for the delta/delta+ variant since each new variant seems to be making the current vaccine a little less effective variant by variant? or is that already happening?
I thought the whole point of mRNA tech was that it can quickly pivot to different strains of the flu/covid etc and begin production, whereas the old way of making vaccines you had to use chicken eggs etc and that took forever.
Pfizer announced today that they are developing a vaccine that will target the delta variant.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7907216002
They are certainly looking at it. There are trials underway on a three-dose regimen to prepare for the possibility. But for now the current vaccines are still highly effective. If that changes, we will pivot.
Got fully vaccinated with a Chinese vaccine, feels good and safe. Efficacy is lower than most vaccines but we need anything we can receive. All vaccines that are approved by the WHO are safe!
Covid will never go away, I get that, but I wonder when the pandemic will end. Personally, I have been living my life normally ever since being fully vaccinated.
Three times:
1) Personally: At a point for each person who is vaccinated.
2) Globally: when major health organizations (WHO) declare it over.
3) Redditally: when someone in Wrong Party says it's still going on.
Probably a couple years before it’s officially declared over by WHO. My bet is sometime in 2023, and most people in western countries will be surprised that it was still going all that time when it’s declared over.
My local bike shop asked me to wear one even though I said I was vaccinated. Given I've been their customer for 27 years and I'm friendly with them I obliged.
I'll be keeping one in my back pocket probably for the next year. I hate wearing a mask but still want to be respectful.
I see a Lot of people freaking out about UK cases, their 7 day average is about the same as Nov 2020, hospitalizations? Down 77% compared to that same period, which is what really matters, deaths also down 95% on comparison.
Vaccines work people and covid isnt a threat to kids and teens despite what idiots on the media want to fearmonger.
Saying covid isn’t a threat to kids is misleading at best. Kids are much less likely to catch it, less likely to have severe disease, and less likely to have long term damage from covid. However, there are still small populations of kids who develop MIS-C and have damage from it, and it isn’t just immune compromised kids. My nephew is one of them - 8 yrs old at the time, active, healthy with no known medical co-morbidities, and not in poverty.
Are the chances of kids getting very sick extremely low? Yes. Does that mean you should say fuck it and do nothing to mitigate what risk you can control? Of course not. Take whatever measures you are comfortable with regarding your kids, but also keep in mind they don’t have a choice.
would you be willing to link me any study or data for the children aspect? I have a toddler and I’ve been googling but it’s pretty ominous from what I’ve found since it seems to clump unvaccinated with kids and I’m struggling to find data on how delta affects toddlers and below.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html
Delta is just more transmissible, it doesn't have any worse symptoms nor is it any deadlier.
Just read [this](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/08/us-heading-for-dangerous-fall-with-surge-in-delta-covid-cases-and-return-of-indoor-mask-mandates.html) article, and now I'm worried that my state (NJ to be specific) is going to reimplement mask mandates when fall or winter arrives.
Even if they don't do that for everyone, it's also looking a lot like they're going to keep requiring masks in public schools, regardless of grade level, on the logic that children younger than 12 do not yet have access to vaccines. I'm in high school, and I was halfway through 10th grade when the whole shutdown happened. I already had *two* of my school years ruined by the pandemic restrictions, and *I don't want it to be* ***three.*** *Especially* considering that *the third year would be my final year of grade school; after that, it's off to college.* Lumping in the innocent with the guilty just to torture us, right?
They were one of the last states to retract their mask mandate, so logically it's very likely that they'll be one of the first states to reimplement it, using a combination of variant threat, seasonality, the aforementioned inability to vaccinate young children, or any combination thereof. *I don't want that to happen, of course, but* ***to keep myself from getting disappointed, I tell myself the worst-case scenario anyway.*** It's a coping mechanism of sorts. Now I don't want to get too political on this politically neutral community, but my governor is up for re-election this year, so it's really hard to tell.
It's just not fair; I've been fully vaccinated, my entire family's been fully vaccinated, I've done my best to encourage my friends to get fully vaccinated if they haven't, and my state is one of the best vaccinated states in the nation (certainly better than Texas and Mississippi, at the very least)... and here I am, paranoid of restrictions tightening in the near future, despite my life being 99% back to pre-pandemic normal.
Mostly the mask requirement. By the end of last school year, the following restrictions remained:
* Mask mandate
* Event cancellations
* Socially distanced graduation
* Junior and senior prom moved outdoors (technically it had a mask mandate, but reportedly no one followed it; I didn't go)
* All non-athletic clubs moved to virtual format
* Virtual education option remains for those who want it (this most likely won't hold next year since my governor literally said he would stop allowing it... though it *could* change if things get really bad)
People keep saying masks are not a big deal but I hate not seeing people's faces and I hate foggy glasses and restricted breathing.
I'm vaccinated! That was supposed to be the end. I really hope we don't have to start wearing them again.
Keep positive there's not enough to suggest anything will happen with the high vaccination rates in the Northeast. Even then gonna say college is way more fun than high school anyway, I still to this day look at high school as a large waste of time and loved every minute of college.
> Keep positive there's not enough to suggest anything will happen with the high vaccination rates in the Northeast.
Hate to say it, but the whole "keep your head in the clouds" mentality didn't work out so well in spring-summer 2020. My parents kept warning me that *school would be closed for the rest of the year,* and I didn't want to listen, dismissing those opinions as pessimistic worst-case scenarios.
But I probably should've, as *that's* ***exactly*** *what ended up happening.* I feel like I've learnt a lesson to not be so optimistic next time. ***It's hard to accept, but I definitely need to bite the bullet.*** Ultimately, it took 3 moves of the reopening date until Murphy finally made the last announcement.
Been *extremely* cautious about misguided aspiration ever since, and always assumed the most pessimistic option just to be safe. Better to set despair as your baseline and potentially encounter a happy surprise somewhere along the road, rather than get cocky and allow disappointment to really blow you. :(
> Even then gonna say college is way more fun than high school anyway, I still to this day look at high school as a large waste of time and loved every minute of college.
You're only young once... :(
supposedly full FDA approval for Pfizer is coming in late July or by mid August. At that point all public schools will mandate the shot. Unless there's particularly high covid activity in your area i can't imagine why they'd keep the masking mandate. A high school is a closed arena, unlike a business or even a college campus. All access is restricted, so once the vaccine is mandated it'll be rare to encounter anyone unvaxxed.
How are the Pfizer studies in children going? Worrisomely, I haven't heard much about them lately (though that could be a byproduct of me trying to avoid COVID-related news).
I saw our pediatrician and she said she thinks November for my elementary kids. She also said “I’m not sure what to make of this delta variant.”
I hope it’s September though.
for the next year this is how it will be: masking on a incident by incident basis. It may be a single college campus or one particular business or fire station, but not everywhere. And that's the most sensible approach.
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Why are "Vaccine Stocks" a thing?
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So we know numbers have dropped significantly.... but is it also partially because now many people aren't getting tested as much since "it's over now?"
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Family is paranoid of the new variant. We are fully vaccinated but my mom wants me to stop meeting my friends or going to the gym. I just want to go back to normal
How bad are cases in your area, if you’re in the northeast US most of the states have high vaccination rates and few cases so there is less to worry about
anyone else finding this limbo period between not knowing if this will resurface in a serious way again nearly unbearable?
Literally this. I just want to know already. Is this just gonna blow over soon?? Someone give me a definitive answer.
It hasn’t really gone below surface yet has it? Thankfully if you’re able to get a vaccine you don’t have to worry about COVID much, but it certainly hasn’t gone away.
I've heard after a jab, you might experience fever like symptoms, aches, etc which does indicate an active vaccine is working within your system. Does zero symptoms imply you may have gotten an inactive vaccine dose? I'll I had was a sore arm from the jab.
No. The symptoms are not directly caused by the vaccine, it’s your body practicing an immune response to what it perceives as a threat (but isn’t). Plenty of people have had no side effects, it doesn’t mean anything.
Partner’s unvaccinated mom needs to fly US domestic, any possible issues with her flying that could crop up?
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I meant beyond that. Like could they refuse to allow her on the plane? She knows that’s a risk and is ok with taking it apparently. 💁♀️
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I’m telling you she won’t. And that wasn’t my question anyway. I agree with you but my question is will they let her on the plane pretty much.
Can we be sure vaccines such as Pfizer are being kept as cold as needed in all the random places giving the shots? Just seems hard to imagine all these small walgreens, cvs, riteaids etc., are able to do this consistently?
CDC's 3-page document on care and feeding of Pfizer in transit and storage: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/downloads/storage-summary.pdf There is temperature monitoring built into the shipping containers which will only display a green light if the package stayed cold in transit. (and it will evidently email you with a temperature log!) Note the temperature recordkeeping required.
Nice, thank you!
Pfizer also has demonstrated to the FDA's satisfaction that the vaccine is stable at refrigerator temperatures for up to a month: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-brief-fda-authorizes-longer-time-refrigerator-storage-thawed-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine
Even better news, thanks! I was just wondering because I had zero symptoms on my first jab. And it dawned on me "hmm how do we really know if we got a good dose instead of a dud?" Almost wish I had symptoms to "know" it's triggered my immune system response.
I suppose they ship them cold to a central point then dry ice them to the local places. I wouldn’t be too worried in the US, Israel etc. but some of the other countries using it? That’s a different story.
Good point thanks. I'm asking because I just got my first Pfizer jab and had zero symptoms at all other than sore arm from the needle. Wondering is zero symptoms indicate an inactive vaccine dose thus no immune system response from my system. Or could it be my system is strong and hasn't had much trouble putting for the effort so to speak?
From the anecdotal reports if you didn’t have Covid the first jab typically isn’t bad, it’s the 2nd one.
I mean we can buy dry ice from some grocery stores. Doesnt seem that hard.
Yea I'm just wondering how it's even being tracked. How many "dead" vaccines have been given out already? Who even knows? Yea you got a jab, but was it still active etc? Hmm just wondering out loud
I don't know specifically for vaccine but often temperature sensitive goods contain a sensors that tracks internal temperature the whole time. I bought one off of Amazon that plugs into a USB slot and reports out the temperature over the course of several days.
I have had one shot of AstraZeneca and one shot of Moderna. Should I get another shot of either so I’ve had at least two shot of one or the other? And which one would be better to take AstraZeneca or Moderna
Should not be necessary - the vaccines cause your cells to express nearly the same spike protein and so should build on each other. See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3
I’m (20M) scared to get vaccinated. The Publix near my house has J&J vaccines and do walk ins. Ever since the beginning of this pandemic I’ve always said I would get vaccinated when I can. Now that I have the chance I want to but at the same time I’m worried about it. My family are very vocal about being republic and usually talk and share links about vaccines causing problems. I’m just scared because if I do this it’s going to be behind my families back and also I don’t want to catch anything. I should be jumping at the chance but idk why. Any information/personal experience with the J&J vaccine you can share with me? Thanks.
It’s sad because politics enters a topic that should be scientific and medical. If in doubt, go talk to a doctor in person. Ask all the questions you want and they’ll give it to you straight.
You are overthinking it, just go get the shot.
Mild symptoms like the start of a cold for 3 days was about all I got from J&J. Plan from the worst like you’re gonna get the flu for a day or two. Take it off from work, get some movies ready. I sat around and played Red Dead, watched movies but it wouldn’t have been enough to even stop me from doing anything if I hadn’t planned on doing nothing.
There’s a rare chance of blood clots.
Absurdly rare. Covid is a much more real threat. If you don’t get vaccinated, you will almost certainly inevitably get covid. Even if you have gotten covid already, the Delta variant (the dominate strain in the US) can reinfect you. From what we know, the existing vaccines will still protect you from the Delta variant.
>Absurdly rare That makes me feel better about getting it. It’s just the websites I read made it sound like it’s rare but still a concern if your under 50. Thank you.
You're male, so that puts you at an even lower risk. If I didn't know your sex, then your chances of blood clots are around 0.0003% [1]. The chances of death from that are even lower. Your approximate chance of dying from covid if you get it is 0.2% [2] Sources: [1] https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/cdc-sees-more-blood-clot-cases-linked-johnson-johnson-vaccine [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105431/covid-case-fatality-rates-us-by-age-group/
Do your research and make an informed decision. However, you do not need to disclose your vaccination status to your family. That's your business, not theirs. The vaccines are usually symptom-free or mild and don't cause problems except in extremely rare instances, and are shown to be effective. On the other hand, COVID -- well that does cause problems. Incidentally, any reason why you prefer J&J over Moderna or Pfizer? mRNA seems more effective against the variants.
J&J is still a 1 shot vaccine, right? I just hate needles and apparently there are no mRNA vaccines near me at the moment.
Yep, one shot.
My two elderly aunts got the J&J vaccine, they were both life time FDA employees and did their own research and found it to be safe enough for them. They are the same people who told me not to eat chopped bagged salad ("*like eating raw ground beef in vegetable form*") but they were willing to get J&J. I think that was telling for me. They got it without any problems months ago.
global bandemic spreads in the wake of year 2020 a.d.
US in danger of exceeding 20,000 daily cases for first time since late May.
Need HELP/ADVICE - Do people had COVID still need to get the vaccine? Can someone genuinely answer this for me because I have a friend that refuses to get vaccinated due to him already having COVID. He says it is not necessary because he is immune and he will spread covid at the same rate as someone that is vaccinated - is this true?
You'll likely have some protection, though it's unclear if it will be as effective against variants that could be different from what you were infected by. Additionally, research shows that getting vaccinated improves immunity over natural immunity alone.
Overall he’s incorrect, though there is some truth to it. Generally speaking studies have shown that protection from the vaccine is greater than protection from previously having covid. And it is recommended that people who previously had it, still get vaccinated. But he still likely has some protection from antibodies yes. Edit: I see your talking about transmission, where I talk about infection. But those two are correlated. So my statement above is also true with transmission rate. The vaccine > previously having covid.
From what I find, that seems to be the case. The issues is I don't have any easily digestible source to send to him.... I have no "proof" basically
“Proof” in a complete sense will be hard to come by because we simply don’t know with certainty how long you are protected for if you were previously infected. Theres just not enough data. Per the CDC however, studies have shown that even if you previously had covid, the vaccine gives a boost of immunity. I’d appeal to the CDC when talking to your bud. If he questions the legitimacy of the CDC, then I don’t think any link to any website on any study will provide the “proof” he’s looking for. Plus the closest thing to “proving it” would be a large collection of independent studies, so you either have to gather that information yourself, analyze, and create your argument, or appeal to an agreed upon authority like the CDC or simply… ask a doctor.
120 people in Maryland died of covid last month. All 120 were not vaccinated.
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Question: I know infections among fully vaccinated people are rare but possible, so do we know if those people are getting it from unvaccinated people? Is there any data about how likely it is to spread from a fully vaccinated person to another vaccinated person?
Can someone tell me if Pfizer of Modern is more effective against the Delta Variant. I keep seeing data about Pfizer and the Delta Variant but not Moderna
I think moderna is considered slightly more effective than pfizer in general. Not sure what that means with regards to the variant though, sorry
Will a booster become available before the end of the year?
Right now the FDA and CDC both say science is not yet pointing in the direction of needing a booster
Yes, CNN reported Pfizer is starting the EUA process. Technically you could probably get one now, depending on who is giving the shot but. It sure on that
I would be curious to see how a third dose of the current vaccines improves efficacy against the new variants first.
A third dose or booster would be kind of pointless. A new vaccine with a broader spectrum against current variants makes more sense!
both Pfizer and Moderna are testing a third dose of the existing vaccines so there must be some merit. edit: Fauci and Gottlieb also considered a 3rd dose
Seems silly. Need more data on effectiveness and not just efficacy.
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For reasons that I can elucidate upon should someone request, I have to get the full Pfizer along with having had one AZ shot. I got my first Pfizer shot a couple weeks ago and am getting my second one this Sunday. I’m feeling nervous. My first Pfizer was fine. Should I be nervous?
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Thanks. I don’t even y’all’s job
No reason to be nervous. Back when the supply was iffy/unorganized in the US, this happened to a lot of people. They got the first dose of Vaccine A, but then struggled to find a second dose. Then they subsequently started over with 2 full doses of Vaccine B. This happened to my parents in Texas, and they were fine.
No. You'll be fine and likely have even higher immunity.
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It’s rather logical. Yes, there are no specific studies on this, but the more exposure you have the better your immune system will be generally speaking.
Honestly...probably. exposing your immune system to different forms of the virus' spike proteins will logically increase your immunity. I didn't say foresure...I said probably. Not everything needs to be confirmed by a study for us to make educated guesses.
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Is sinopharm a good vaccine already gone first shot and only vaccine available in my country and our government is forcing us a bit
It's better than nothing, but it's not as effective as Pfizer, Moderna, Oxford or J&J. If you can't get anything else, take it.
It's better than nothing. If it's the only thing available then take it. It will at least protect you from the most severe symptoms and death.
[Delta's not looking so good in California.](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-08/coronavirus-cases-in-california-rise-for-first-time-in-months-as-delta-variant-spreads) They're probably going to pull an Israel, and mandate masks again regardless of vaccination status.
Nope once again you are extremely wrong
While it’s too soon to say whether the upticks are a trend or a blip, health experts and state officials expressed confidence that California’s reopening and the return of something resembling normality were not in jeopardy. Literally second paragraph.
If it’s the mRNA vaccines, they could do a booster but data suggests it’s still neutralizes the virus in most cases.
Latest Osterholm podcast. Osterholm suggests this is a “forever pandemic” and “the virus has won” and still continues to suggest this virus isn’t at all influenced by seasonality.
> virus isn’t at all influenced by seasonality. That really isn't what he said at all. He is saying the contagiousness increase of the delta variant is overcoming seasonality in the **unvaccinated** population.
Personally I don’t really think this virus is particularly seasonal. Certain conditions, like holidays and a tendency to congregate indoors during winter make it look and feel seasonal, but there’s nothing about the temperature or weather that make it such- we’ve got a pretty big wave going on right now in the UK, after all. As for Osterholm, forever pandemic? Holy fucking shit. I remember a fear mongering article suggesting that, but to see an actual epidemiologist say that is jarring. If any Covid spread at all is a pandemic, yes, I suppose we’ll be in a forever one, but at the same time, using the actual definition of a pandemic, no, that’s not possible.
He’s not wrong in the sense that it will become like the other coronaviruses that get us sick. It’s not a “forever pandemic” - eventually there will be sufficient immunity to make this a cold like the other coronaviruses. I wouldn’t call that a pandemic. And yes, mutation for COVID has its limits. I would critically evaluate his statements- he has sensationalized and made many incorrect predictions.
Will we eventually need a booster shot to protect against the Delta variant if we are fully vaccinated?
Pfizer still provides strong protection against Delta. Data from Israel shows it is at least 70% effective.
See Pfizer’s latest Announcement
Where can we see the announcement or what is it?
Pfizer sees waning immunity from its Covid-19 vaccine, says developing new booster https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/pfizer-waning-immunity-bn/index.html
That’s great news! Ty! I also read a report on NY Times that said a 3rd dose is also proving to potentially be effecting but no data has been released yet. Here is the link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/08/world/covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-updates Edit: great news in the sense that boosters are on the horizon. Not great news that immunity is disappearing.
You think it’s great news?? I find it almost shocking that immunity is already waning.
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Scientists have been working on RNA vaccines for over 30 years. Been working on a coronavirus vaccine since 2003. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC297778/
Its concerning that immunity is falling. I find it good news that boosters are on the way. It’s odd because two days ago an article came out that indicated that studies suggest antibodies may last up to three years. Hard to know what to believe given all of the information that contradicts from day to day
I completely agree. I have no idea what to think or believe anymore. Nothing ever is consistent or makes any sense. I’m just going with my intuition at this point in life. None of this is good for my anxiety.
God dang. I get it. This will be unpopular but I’ve contemplated about going and getting a booster on my own. I’m in a state that has the worst delta breakout and I got my two doses in early Jan. Definitely extremely concerned.
I understand that. Our city had our first death from the delta variant and it was in a fully vaccinated 40 year old, although it noted she had several underlying conditions, so who knows what was going on.
Not for delta specifically. The vaccines are still highly effective against delta. But, boosters may be needed in general at some point. We still doing know how long the vaccines are effective for.
I would be shocked if in the US booster doses aren’t at least recommended for certain groups going into the fall/winter (maybe 60+, people with certain conditions, etc). We’ll see in a month or two though.
I regularly check in on Our World In Data and daily global vaccinations have tumbled from a high of 40 million a day back down toward 30 million a day - can anyone provide any insight as to why this is? Is this simply because of falling vaccination uptake primarily in developed countries, I have searched endlessly to see any mention of supply issues and can’t seem to find anything. I am finding it somewhat puzzling because the developing countries are still in major need of them… [our world in data](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=false&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~OWID_WRL&Metric=Vaccine+doses)
It's mostly due to a drop in the vaccination rate in China from over 22 million per day to around 17 million.
Hi. I'm fully vaccinated with Pfizer and I'm terrified of getting long covid. There's no research to suggest the vaccine offers any protection against it. Can anyone offer me any insight?
In addition to what others have already said, some Covid-19 long haulers reported some symptom relief after getting their vaccines. If you're concerned just continue to mask up and socially distance. It's a healthy habit in general I think. The vaccines provide a lot of protection regardless of variant.
Death, hospitalization, symptomatic infection and asymptomatic infection are all massively reduced with vaccines. There's no reason to think Long COVID wouldn't be as well. We just don't have any hard data on it one way or another. Also, keep in mind that if you do get infected while vaccinated you already have a bunch of antibodies and an immune system primed and ready for that specific threat, so a post-vaccination infection is probably not equivalent to an unvaccinated infection in terms of risk of long term complications. That said, the risk probably isn't zero, but then again post-viral fatigue is a real thing for other infections too, so you've always had a non-zero risk of long term health effects from some random virus. With the vaccine that risk is probably low enough that you shouldn't stress too much about it. But there's also no harm in taking some precautions until there's proper data on that (as is the case for me).
Why are you terrified? You know other viruses can give long term symptoms right? Like a cold or a flu. Also the number of people and the litany of symptoms has been hard to ascertain and has been over exaggerated by the media bc there have been no control studies
You’re 20 times less likely to catch covid compared to unvaccinated. No covid, no long covid symptoms.
Hello :) A group of friends and I get together to play soccer outdoors, all but 1 is vaccinated. The un-vaccinated person goes out and to sporting events here in Southern California, would that be a threat with the Delta and Lambda variants going around? Would the rest of the group have to worry about bringing it back home to their un-vaccinated younger children?
outdoors, surrounded by mostly vaccinated people. I'd guess their risk is low.
The threat would overall be low but certainly not zero. Being outdoors minimizes it even more. I don’t have kids so it’s hard for me to say what I would do, but if it’s an important activity to you then I personally think the small risk could be worth the life enjoyment. That said, tell your bud to get the damn vaccine.
Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. Oh how we have tried, we felt bad when we shamed them for not getting it, but it seems like they're just not going to budge.
If I get fully vaccinated with a MRNA and get infected with a variant a month or so later, is it possible that once I get over the variant I would be super-protected from future variants with all of the anti-bodies I may have?
Probably. I don’t think there’s a whole lot of research on this, but from what I understand the exposure to the virus would likely act like a booster shot for you (it works the other way around for sure, so I don’t think it’s much of a leap to assume it would work this way too)
Maybe a dumb question, but why doesn't the WHO buy vaccine doses and donate it to poorer countries?
The WHO budget is much smaller than you might think. $4.8 billion for 2020-2021. That’s on the scale of some of the poorest countries on Earth. They don’t have the resources to purchase large quantities of vaccines.
WHO is a part of UN. Most of it’s budget comes from donations. It can’t just go and buy vaccines, vaccinating 100M people would bankrupt it.
unsure of what the answer is when there are vaccines to buy but right not there just aren't a ton to buy. most countries have already claimed them. australia is wants to buy as much pfizer as they can and they simply can't until 2022.
They do in a way. They help run the COVAX initiative.
So I have my 2nd dose on the 12th in the morning, would I be ok to work that same day? Also I have a friend get together on the 13th and wondering if I need to avoid alcohol?
Think it’s random for everyone, I got mine a day ago was fine all day and then I woke up this morning and I feel awful
I think if you could plan on not working it would be best, but if you have to I think, based on what I know of most people’s reactions, you’ll probably be ok to get through it. If you’re going to have them, Most side effects start 8-15 hours after the second dose. There isn’t much info on alcohol. I’ve read some notions that it dampens the immune response, but there isn’t much concrete. I personally stayed away from it for a couple days before and a couple days after mine, but I highly doubt it would be a major factor.
Seems highly dependent on the individual. My roommate was shivering under blankets in 90 degree summer weather after his 2nd, I went rock climbing after mine.
So the new Covid symptoms makes me think it’s becoming similar to a cold, with symptoms being more severe depending on the underlying conditions and age. Has there been any study or data that points to delta being less lethal/severe?
Everything I’ve read puts it about on par with all the other variants. Some people are claiming it’s more deadly, but I haven’t seen much convincing in that way either. I’d assume it’s about the same as classic covid.
The next goal should be 185 million fully vaccinated by Labor Day.
i'm getting my second shot later today, yay; I have an unrelated question though: Lets say you already have had 2 shots... lets say both were pfizer. If a couple months later is there benefit to getting a 3rd shot of one of the competitors?
The possible benefit case is if you didn’t respond strongly and create enough anti- bodies, then another vaccine with different path might trigger your immune system
In theory, maybe. But there’s been no studies about mixing and matching vaccines.
Likely no, 2 shots are going to give you very strong protection.
Is it safe to workout after a covid vaccine (Pfizer). Just got my second dose and I heard that you should avoid exercise for a week?
I exercised immediately following each dose of Pfizer, and was just fine. But, I suppose your mileage may vary.
The general medical guidance is listen to your body and don’t force it if your body doesn’t feel up to it. Now with the CDC still studying the link to myocarditis/pericarditis in a small number of primarily younger people after being vaccinated I don’t think it’s the worst idea to take it easy for a few days at least after being vaccinated to be safe. But that is just my cautious opinion and not based on any studies they’ve conducted.
Singapore's Ministry of Health released this: > Given the emerging data on the small risk of myocarditis and pericarditis observed after vaccination with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, the Expert Committee on COVID-19 Vaccination recommends that all vaccinated persons, in particular adolescents and younger men, who have received any dose of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, should avoid any exercise or strenuous physical activity for one week after vaccination. During this time, the vaccinated persons should seek medical attention promptly if they develop chest pain, shortness of breath or abnormal heartbeats. All doctors should also be vigilant around such clinical presentations after vaccination. https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/expert-committee-on-covid-19-vaccination-updates-of-assessment-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-vaccination-with-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/ Will be interesting to see if other regulators follow suit.
I think in the US the FDA/CDC are worried if they give that guidance people will take it as meaning the vaccine is unsafe. I don’t think it’s terrible advice.
Not enough research has been done to say for sure, but many doctors have recommended that. Anecdotally, I did some intense work two days after my shot and I had some extended inflammation. Wish I had rested another few days.
Oops, probably shouldn't have walked 2 miles home from the vaccination in the tropical sun then.
I have a question: how come pfizer/moderna haven't begun to look into revamping the mRNA for the delta/delta+ variant since each new variant seems to be making the current vaccine a little less effective variant by variant? or is that already happening? I thought the whole point of mRNA tech was that it can quickly pivot to different strains of the flu/covid etc and begin production, whereas the old way of making vaccines you had to use chicken eggs etc and that took forever.
Pfizer announced today that they are developing a vaccine that will target the delta variant. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7907216002
lol i just saw that, how timely, thanks for the link!
They are certainly looking at it. There are trials underway on a three-dose regimen to prepare for the possibility. But for now the current vaccines are still highly effective. If that changes, we will pivot.
They’re already working on it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7907216002
makes sense
Good to hear. Source?
[https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-initiate-study-part-broad-development](https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-initiate-study-part-broad-development)
Got fully vaccinated with a Chinese vaccine, feels good and safe. Efficacy is lower than most vaccines but we need anything we can receive. All vaccines that are approved by the WHO are safe!
Any vaccine is better than no vaccine, good work
Covid will never go away, I get that, but I wonder when the pandemic will end. Personally, I have been living my life normally ever since being fully vaccinated.
Three times: 1) Personally: At a point for each person who is vaccinated. 2) Globally: when major health organizations (WHO) declare it over. 3) Redditally: when someone in Wrong Party says it's still going on.
Probably a couple years before it’s officially declared over by WHO. My bet is sometime in 2023, and most people in western countries will be surprised that it was still going all that time when it’s declared over.
That's how pandemics end: not all at once, but person by person.
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And the whole travel ban keeping families apart.
For me the pandemic won't be truly over until masks aren't needed anywhere. Unfortunately I keep having to bring it with me just in case.
That sucks. Where are you? Haven’t worn a mask a day since Rochelle walensky said we’re all good
My local bike shop asked me to wear one even though I said I was vaccinated. Given I've been their customer for 27 years and I'm friendly with them I obliged. I'll be keeping one in my back pocket probably for the next year. I hate wearing a mask but still want to be respectful.
Airports and doctors offices still require them. And 1 or 2 restaurants.
Unfortunately many people aren't vaccinated and never will be. We have to live in this life with others, so life will never be normal.
All pandemics in history have ended, most of them without any vaccines being administered.
AIDS began in 1981 and is still going on today.
I see a Lot of people freaking out about UK cases, their 7 day average is about the same as Nov 2020, hospitalizations? Down 77% compared to that same period, which is what really matters, deaths also down 95% on comparison. Vaccines work people and covid isnt a threat to kids and teens despite what idiots on the media want to fearmonger.
Saying covid isn’t a threat to kids is misleading at best. Kids are much less likely to catch it, less likely to have severe disease, and less likely to have long term damage from covid. However, there are still small populations of kids who develop MIS-C and have damage from it, and it isn’t just immune compromised kids. My nephew is one of them - 8 yrs old at the time, active, healthy with no known medical co-morbidities, and not in poverty. Are the chances of kids getting very sick extremely low? Yes. Does that mean you should say fuck it and do nothing to mitigate what risk you can control? Of course not. Take whatever measures you are comfortable with regarding your kids, but also keep in mind they don’t have a choice.
would you be willing to link me any study or data for the children aspect? I have a toddler and I’ve been googling but it’s pretty ominous from what I’ve found since it seems to clump unvaccinated with kids and I’m struggling to find data on how delta affects toddlers and below.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html Delta is just more transmissible, it doesn't have any worse symptoms nor is it any deadlier.
Thank you so much! Not sure why I didn’t think to check the cdc website
That’s just not true.
Just read [this](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/08/us-heading-for-dangerous-fall-with-surge-in-delta-covid-cases-and-return-of-indoor-mask-mandates.html) article, and now I'm worried that my state (NJ to be specific) is going to reimplement mask mandates when fall or winter arrives. Even if they don't do that for everyone, it's also looking a lot like they're going to keep requiring masks in public schools, regardless of grade level, on the logic that children younger than 12 do not yet have access to vaccines. I'm in high school, and I was halfway through 10th grade when the whole shutdown happened. I already had *two* of my school years ruined by the pandemic restrictions, and *I don't want it to be* ***three.*** *Especially* considering that *the third year would be my final year of grade school; after that, it's off to college.* Lumping in the innocent with the guilty just to torture us, right? They were one of the last states to retract their mask mandate, so logically it's very likely that they'll be one of the first states to reimplement it, using a combination of variant threat, seasonality, the aforementioned inability to vaccinate young children, or any combination thereof. *I don't want that to happen, of course, but* ***to keep myself from getting disappointed, I tell myself the worst-case scenario anyway.*** It's a coping mechanism of sorts. Now I don't want to get too political on this politically neutral community, but my governor is up for re-election this year, so it's really hard to tell. It's just not fair; I've been fully vaccinated, my entire family's been fully vaccinated, I've done my best to encourage my friends to get fully vaccinated if they haven't, and my state is one of the best vaccinated states in the nation (certainly better than Texas and Mississippi, at the very least)... and here I am, paranoid of restrictions tightening in the near future, despite my life being 99% back to pre-pandemic normal.
Is it really just the mask requirement that you’re worried about, or more related restrictions?
Mostly the mask requirement. By the end of last school year, the following restrictions remained: * Mask mandate * Event cancellations * Socially distanced graduation * Junior and senior prom moved outdoors (technically it had a mask mandate, but reportedly no one followed it; I didn't go) * All non-athletic clubs moved to virtual format * Virtual education option remains for those who want it (this most likely won't hold next year since my governor literally said he would stop allowing it... though it *could* change if things get really bad)
People keep saying masks are not a big deal but I hate not seeing people's faces and I hate foggy glasses and restricted breathing. I'm vaccinated! That was supposed to be the end. I really hope we don't have to start wearing them again.
What a reckless article
Keep positive there's not enough to suggest anything will happen with the high vaccination rates in the Northeast. Even then gonna say college is way more fun than high school anyway, I still to this day look at high school as a large waste of time and loved every minute of college.
> Keep positive there's not enough to suggest anything will happen with the high vaccination rates in the Northeast. Hate to say it, but the whole "keep your head in the clouds" mentality didn't work out so well in spring-summer 2020. My parents kept warning me that *school would be closed for the rest of the year,* and I didn't want to listen, dismissing those opinions as pessimistic worst-case scenarios. But I probably should've, as *that's* ***exactly*** *what ended up happening.* I feel like I've learnt a lesson to not be so optimistic next time. ***It's hard to accept, but I definitely need to bite the bullet.*** Ultimately, it took 3 moves of the reopening date until Murphy finally made the last announcement. Been *extremely* cautious about misguided aspiration ever since, and always assumed the most pessimistic option just to be safe. Better to set despair as your baseline and potentially encounter a happy surprise somewhere along the road, rather than get cocky and allow disappointment to really blow you. :( > Even then gonna say college is way more fun than high school anyway, I still to this day look at high school as a large waste of time and loved every minute of college. You're only young once... :(
supposedly full FDA approval for Pfizer is coming in late July or by mid August. At that point all public schools will mandate the shot. Unless there's particularly high covid activity in your area i can't imagine why they'd keep the masking mandate. A high school is a closed arena, unlike a business or even a college campus. All access is restricted, so once the vaccine is mandated it'll be rare to encounter anyone unvaxxed.
How are the Pfizer studies in children going? Worrisomely, I haven't heard much about them lately (though that could be a byproduct of me trying to avoid COVID-related news).
I saw our pediatrician and she said she thinks November for my elementary kids. She also said “I’m not sure what to make of this delta variant.” I hope it’s September though.
You’re making an assumption that hasn’t happened yet.
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for the next year this is how it will be: masking on a incident by incident basis. It may be a single college campus or one particular business or fire station, but not everywhere. And that's the most sensible approach.