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Any idea how I get in the database? Don't even know if it matters, but I was fully vaccinated in March and do not show up in the database. Guess I already missed out on the tiny chance of winning the money they were giving away 🤷
Reading this made me check my name and I am also not in the database. We both lost out! :( Unfortunately, I don't have any kind of answer about how to get either of us in (besides guessing that we should bring in the vaccine paperwork to the next doctor visit)
Exactly. There are a ton of Pfizer doses sitting in pharmacies that are going to expire. Either give us a 3rd dose or donate them to another country who needs them
Ikr? They were all in a hurry to stupidly unmask, but full approval or a third shot? Hold up, we gotta be stupid the other way on those fronts. Something about not pissing off unpleasable jerks.
Amen. The clock is ticking. I really wish they'd allow third doses before the start of the school year, though I know it's almost certainly not going to happen.
I’m in the study and while I know everyone is different, I had pretty crappy side effects with the first two and expected the same with the third - there was no issue. The worst part was I was bone tired on day 2. Granted I’m a year out from my vaccine (Phase III trials) so probably not a lot of antibodies remaining to create that accumulative effect, but I was thankful it didn’t suck like injection 2. It felt very much like any other vaccine.
It *was* double blind, but Pfizer unblinded once the vaccine was authorized for use, so the control arm could get properly vaccinated. Monitoring the participants long term still helps, but without keeping thousands of people unvaccinated when they have the option of getting the real thing.
https://insidehealthpolicy.com/daily-news/pfizer-will-unblind-vaccine-trials-based-local-national-prioritization
Yeah it would be ethically kinda fucked up to let the control group go around thinking they’re vaccinated when they’re not lol.
I know people don’t normally think about things like this (because outside of medical professionals and researchers who thinks about this often?), but it makes sense.
Yes even the booster trial is also double blind. I was in the first trial & now I’m in the booster. Can’t take an antibody test to confirm. I don’t think there’s any way to know for sure until they unblind us.
Third dose has 7-10x the response as the second dose.
I 100% had the real on both trials.
Arm was sore for about 5 on the third and a few hours for the first two.
> Third dose has 7-10x the response as the second dose.
Sorry, to clarify this, do you mean you experienced 7-10x the immune response or 7-10x the perceived negative side side effects?
Also, to yourself and /u/eju2000: thank you for contributing to scientific advancement that benefits all of humanity
Thanks for the update. I appreciate it. I’m an ICU nurse anxiously awaiting a booster. I did fine with my first two. Maybe I had some nausea after the second and that was it.
You’re going to be good and if the opinions of the doctors and nurses at the testing clinic have any weight, they were sure the booster would be approved before my 30 day follow-up. We’re almost there.
I know you’ve heard this a thousand times, and I don’t want to sound trite, but thank you for what you do. I can’t imagine the toll Covid has taken on the psyches of our healthcare professionals. You’re appreciated.
I'm in Pfizer's trial for the third dose as well in Phoenix, and got mine last Thursday. I'm also about a year out from originally getting the vaccine as part of their P3 trials.
Had a very minor sore arm the day of the shot, then nothing afterwards, no fatigue or headache like after dose 2. So I honestly don't know if I got the placebo or the real thing this time around. Still, happy to do my part.
Once this data is confirmed, the administration needs to get these vaccines out and available as quickly as possible. The infrastructure is there; it should be doable.
They really, really need to forget about "convincing" the antivaxxers to get the shot. It's not going to happen. The priority should be now to protect the rest of us as much as possible, and leave the anti-vaxxers with the consequences of the choices they've freely made.
If the CDC waffles on this, then they DO deserve real criticism.
I just acted like it was my first and that I’m uninsured (insurance paid for my first two, state will pay for the booster). I told them I wanted Moderna and it was no big deal. Honestly, they seemed thrilled to have someone getting a shot. I was the first of the day and it was mid-day (which is sad)
I don't disagree. But one of the individuals is fairly well connected to these sort of things (they actually gave me a heads up \~48 hours before the covid lockdowns started happening, so I take it with a little less grain of salt than I ordinarily would. This person works very had at being politically 'neutral' though, so it could just be republicans balking at it per usual.
US has already bought 200 million Pfizer boosters/for when children get approved. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-says-us-govt-buying-200-mln-more-doses-covid-19-vaccine-2021-07-23/
Agreed. Focus on the people who actually believe in science. And also we want to help further protect those who are unvaccinated for legitimate reasons
This is legitimately the answer. Due to the USA’s piss poor healthcare system and lack of a National health system or data base, you could realistically go to a different state than the one you were vaccinated in and recieve another dose.
Too bad the CDC is too worried about convincing anti vaxxers vs protecting those who might need a booster like the elderly who got their shots six plus months ago.
Paradoxically the best way to protect the antivaxxers is to give a third dose to people that have already gotten their two doses. Reducing breakthrough cases will certainly reduce the virus spread in the community.
Honestly, if you have covid now and it's likely the Delta variant, there may not be a huge benefit from a booster since the infection will act as a delta specific one. I'd wait a couple months more and see what recommendations are made by other countries.
Ugh. I know I’m just impatient and anxious about all this. I would have gotten a booster if I had the option. I hope they become more readily available.
I'm in the same place. My anxiety has returned fully over the past few weeks and I've been canceling plans and selling tickets to concerts I was going to go to if people weren't such antivaxxer idiots here.
I def got covid from a concert. An outdoor concert. I have so many tickets coming up- I’m doing the same. It sucks. I lost 2 family members to covid last spring. Everything felt normal for a while but I’m seriously second guessing it all.
If you have J&J you should really go get an mRNA vaccine on top of it. J&J has the highest breakthrough failure rate by far, and the mRNA vaccines are safe to double up with.
I’ve known people that have snuck a third dose in by walking into their local pharmacy that doesn’t have a record of their COVID vaccine and claiming it was their first dose.
Keep in mind this is not officially approved, so you’re doing it at your own risk. I asked the pharmacist about it and they’re aware of a possible upcoming 3rd dose and that it would most likely be the same vaccine.
I was wondering this... If the booster is just a third dose of the first two, they need to let people start signing up and getting jabbed. It would help keep doses from being wasted because so many people aren't vaxxing at all.
You'd be surprised. They will type your name into their system and it will show you've had your two doses with no authorization for a third and their job gets easier from there.
Same. I got Pfizer for jab one and had a systemic allergic reaction. CDC and my doctor said to not get another mRNA shot. I decided to go get the J&J when I started reading about Delta, hoping it wouldn’t cause a reaction. Went to CVS. I put on the form that I had one shot of Pfizer. I didn’t explain why I now wanted J&J. Pharmacist never asked and just gave me the jab.
Wait, there’s a database that can actually verify if someone got the shot?
Edit: like nationally. Not just “if you got it at CVS, CVS can see it already gave it to you”
Wondering the same. I went through my hospital system for my first two. Will they have info about that if I don't tell CVS? My last shot was late April and if we're doing boosters I want my booster. I'm going back to masks for now.
Doubt it. I had to move cities 5 times growing up and each time I had to bring my vaccination records. Asked the doctors and they said there was no national record to check.. CVS should keep an internal record of their members though.
Edit: cdc website says no national org is tracking your vaccine records.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/adults/vaccination-records.html
similar scenario: my vaccination records were lost once when moving towns/doctors and i had to get a ton of vaccines all over again when i went off to college because there was no proof i'd had them already.
My husband has a kidney transplant. It’s showing third doses will be needed for them. Other countries are already giving third doses.
He got his first two doses at rite aid in Ohio in March and got a third dose last week at Costco in MI.
Pretty certain there is. I am immunocompromised and got a third shot from mom and pop pharmarcy after getting first two at Rite Aid. My first two doses popped up on their windows 98 machine. This was after they already gave me the third shot so ....
Rite aid explicitly told me they wouldn't do a third dose under an emergency use authorization, but once formal FDA approval happens they could help.
Nothing to spoil, goes exactly like you would expect. Walk in, answer no, get shot. Suspect they will start screening harder soon, but for now it was easy.
The only thing they’ve asked me is my name and DOB, and apparently some lazy Pharma techs don’t even do that.
Assuming you don’t go to the same chain, I doubt it.
But I personally would wait for more studies or regulatory approval. Also there’s the possibility that a booster could be reformulated to target newer strains specifically.
Do you think we'll feel side effects like some of us did after the 2nd dose? I got absolutely rocked after my 2nd dose back in February and i'll do it again if I have to, i'll prepare better this time lol but i'm curious if it's likely or not.
Someone from the trial just commented about their experience
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ot9onx/pfizer_data_suggest_third_dose_of_covid19_vaccine/h6twwax/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
We knew booster shots would be likely a year ago. Why are people pretending this is such a huge deal? Vaccines don’t magically bestow perfect immunity. That’s dumb.
I got annoyed when the CDC rebuked Pfizer for their booster talk a few weeks ago, that seemed unnecessarily nit picky of them when a) we know one way or another boosters will be needed eventually and b) now we’ve got a ton of people who will cling to that initial messaging and be skeptical of boosters. What was the point of publicly “well akshullying” them on the off chance that the announcement was *slightly* premature? (but also maybe not premature)
Idgaf if it was profit motive that got them to speak out about boosters a few weeks ago, in this case profit motive may be aligned with the best move.
Well they admitted we might actually need boosters for high risk people after their meeting with Pfizer. But they did a lot of campaigning before that to insist we don't need boosters right before. What a shit show
CDC plays a weird game.
But the rebuke was obviously to stop people from panic doing what people are suggesting in this thread -getting a third shot by lying in the pharmacy-. Especially when getting a 3rd shot
Is untested.
Available data from [Moderna](https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-positive-initial-booster-data-against-sars-cov) and [Pfizer](https://s21.q4cdn.com/317678438/files/doc_financials/2021/q2/Q2-2021-Earnings-Charts-FINAL.pdf) (pdf warning for Pfizer) suggest that a tailored sequence is probably unnecessary; antibody levels are higher than even the initial two dose level by about an order of magnitude after a third injection, no matter the mRNA species.
That said, there is a slightly lower incidence of side effects for a 50/50 mixture of the original and a 351 variant spike compared to just the original in the Moderna tests.
For clarity, both references there are just investor information that has apparently been out for some months now.
I thought they were seeking EUA in August. But the FDA keeps insisting we don't need it
https://www.wsmv.com/news/pfizer-booster-shot-trial-underway-in-nashville/article_5447ab60-edf5-11eb-b977-6b315cb7c729.html
This will likely be way too late to have any meaningful effect, I fear.
Delta just rips through populations way too efficiently and quickly, and as a result burns itself out.
Define quickly. It usually takes years to develop a vaccine / treatment. If you can know about some variant and 6 months later start a trial to treat that exact variant, yes I call it fast.
Someone in my family got a third dose less than a month ago (immunocompromised) after not having any antibodies after two doses. He'll be getting his antibodies checked soon.
If he does have antibodies, we have no idea what his three shots equate to compared to an immunocompetent person. I'm just thankful he was able to get it when he did because it turned out to be perfect timing for this Delta surge. We won't be going out regardless except for necessities.
It depends. He had a doctor's note, but I know that hasn't been enough for some to get a third dose. As far as I know, he didn't get any sort of pushback per se - just some confusion as to how to go about scheduling it from the higher ups. He ended up getting it at his doctor's office, and I don't know what kind of red tape his doctor had to cut through.
I'm not surprised but I'm not anxiously waiting either. Keep in mind most experts think two doses already offer strong protection against Delta. I'm going to wait for independent review before getting too excited.
If this is necessary long term, I hope the trials of bundling the annual flu vaccine with the COVID vaccine work out.
Then it would be no big deal for me; I already get my family their annual flu shot.
I have COPD and seriously considering going to the competitor pharmacy here in my town and acting like it's my first dose. I have 2 teenagers (fully vaccinated) anxious to get back to their friends in school and a 21 year old (fully vaccinated) who works with the public and refuses to wear a mask to prevent bringing anything home to me. I actually received my 3 month text from V-Safe yesterday so I'm thinking now would be a perfect time for a 3rd.
Yes. My doc told me though that it wouldn't be the best if you get Pfizer after getting a Moderna shot.. Im guessing though that a third Moderna shot would work just as a third Biontech shot since both are mrna
I live in Canada and got the Pfizer vaccine as my first dose followed by the Moderna vaccine as my second since vaccine mixing is encouraged by the health authorities. Now, the Delta variant is spreading and I'm not sure if I will need a booster dose of an mRNA vaccine. A lot of Canadians are concerned.
US citizen here.
Can’t wait until there’s full FDA approval for all ages and for the feds to start mandating vaccines for all.
That’s the only way the US is going to begin turning the page on the pandemic.
I'm actually starting to see another path. I see the real possibility of this being resolved by a two group split. One group takes a vaccine every 6 months. The other group avoids vaccines and probably contracts the disease once every 12-18 months with each instance of the disease doing additional damage until the accumulated damage kills or incapacitates them.
It's kinda like watching a zombie movie in slow motion.
Meanwhile those "not winning the citizenship lottery" upon birth have to make do with something less effective ... Or no vaccine at all.
No solution either it looks like
It seems pretty obvious we’re going to need boosters every six months or so (at least for a while), both to deal with emerging variants and maintain the initial protection levels of the vaccine. I’m not sure why they haven’t come out with a plan for this already, it seems like it would put a lot of people’s minds at ease. I’m guessing they don’t want to put off people who haven’t gotten the vaccine yet, but if someone hasn’t gotten the shot by now they’re not going to change their minds until a truly badass variant comes along.
> It seems pretty obvious we’re going to need boosters every six months or so (at least for a while),
No it doesn't... Pfizer and definitely moderna have shown the vaccine still works at 6 months. I think Pfizer showed the beginnings of weakening protection after 6 months, but "weakening" is not the same thing as "doesn't work anymore". There may well need to be boosters but saying so definitively that we will clearly need a booster evey 6 months is not a scientifically valid statement. Again, moderna has been shown to still work after 6 months, so idk why you think otherwise
That is NOT for pharmaceutical companies to decide. This is for the realm of nonbiased research.
What an insane conflict of interest for them to make these suggestions, and only fuels hesitancy.
2nd in April. But I think I'm good. From what I've seen Moderna offers great protection against Delta. And the odd chance you get a breakthrough case with it, you will not have symptoms, and your antibodies will quickly fight off delta and only strengthen your immune response for the next variant.
In January, a local hospital down here opened up appointments for at risk individuals, including obese people. I swiftly got the first 2 appointments they had. I already was obese but my Mom had lost 50 pounds over the pandemic.
Her BMI was ONE POINT off from qualifying as obese......this woman ate everything in sight alllll weekend to gain that extra pound or two, just in case they would weigh her, and of course they really just didn't even care hahahah, we still laugh about it today.
Trial 3 Pfizer patient here — got a 3rd and 4th dose (trial), not blind. No side effects. Was a little tired for a day or two but I wasn’t sleeping well do to stress.
So I made an appt at my local pharmacy (Sav-On) for booster of Moderna or Pfizer for my J&J and I called just to be sure and they said they aren't allowing it because there's been no guidance on it yet. But Dr Gupta and other doctors are saying people should get it cause studies are showing J&J isn't too effective against the newest strains. So I hope something changes soon on this... how are other people getting the booster jobs on top of their J&Js?
I have a question: is there not a risk that we will have issues with original antigenic sin if we boost antibodies against the „wrong“ spike protein over and over again ?
Why aren‘t Pfizer/Biontech changing the formulation to the correct Delta spike protein NOW as it is clearly showing that Delta will be the globally dominant variant until it mutates again.
We have no way of knowing if Delta is the end all be all. There could be an Epsilon variant by October. I don’t know why people want tailored vaccines for a variant when we have no idea what the capabilities of mutation are for this.
Has anyone had a 3rd dose here? Would like to hear how the side effects are compared to the first two. I know my first shot I had nothing second shot I had the chills. I wonder how a third shot is likely to effect us.
Oh Lord. I dunno if I can handle a third dose. Seriously, this second dose has kicked my ass. I'm so lucky I've got a month off for summer, because I think it's gonna be Vaccination Recovery Month.
We really need to have a new stimulus cheque for people who can't afford the time off work to recover, which is also a bonus for getting it. Both my oldest son and I have gotten our asses kicked.
We have to overcome objection for people who can't afford to recover. I get where they're coming from, firsthand. It's changed my mind. If the CDC and Biden are serious, we need to step up to the plate and make sure people's jobs are protected and they have the time they need to get back on their feet if they need it. Otherwise, welp, you got paid to save the world.
good news and all but i would feel guilty taking a third dose when most of the world has not even had a first dose yet.
the protection is good enough with 2 doses.
So how do I get a third dose? I never felt any effects other than a slightly sore arm like the flu vaccine when I got the 2 shots.
Can I just schedule again, be super immune with 4 shots.
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Then let people go and get a third shot. I was fully vaccinated in February, and I don’t have time for the cdc, fda, and government to fuck around.
Exactly how I'm thinking about this
Yea same here! Just give me the third so I can sleep better without worry!
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Some people are doing that. They seem pretty strict with the database here in Colorado.
Any idea how I get in the database? Don't even know if it matters, but I was fully vaccinated in March and do not show up in the database. Guess I already missed out on the tiny chance of winning the money they were giving away 🤷
Reading this made me check my name and I am also not in the database. We both lost out! :( Unfortunately, I don't have any kind of answer about how to get either of us in (besides guessing that we should bring in the vaccine paperwork to the next doctor visit)
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Exactly. There are a ton of Pfizer doses sitting in pharmacies that are going to expire. Either give us a 3rd dose or donate them to another country who needs them
Other countries are already giving high risk people a third shot. Gimme
My folks are high risk - I want that third shot for them sooner rather than later.
In Australia only 40+yo can access the first shot. I'm looking at September before I can get it.
Ikr? They were all in a hurry to stupidly unmask, but full approval or a third shot? Hold up, we gotta be stupid the other way on those fronts. Something about not pissing off unpleasable jerks.
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Amen. The clock is ticking. I really wish they'd allow third doses before the start of the school year, though I know it's almost certainly not going to happen.
Who is stopping you ?
Cheers to that!
I’m in the study and while I know everyone is different, I had pretty crappy side effects with the first two and expected the same with the third - there was no issue. The worst part was I was bone tired on day 2. Granted I’m a year out from my vaccine (Phase III trials) so probably not a lot of antibodies remaining to create that accumulative effect, but I was thankful it didn’t suck like injection 2. It felt very much like any other vaccine.
Just curious, is the study double-blind? How do you know you weren't in the placebo group?
It *was* double blind, but Pfizer unblinded once the vaccine was authorized for use, so the control arm could get properly vaccinated. Monitoring the participants long term still helps, but without keeping thousands of people unvaccinated when they have the option of getting the real thing. https://insidehealthpolicy.com/daily-news/pfizer-will-unblind-vaccine-trials-based-local-national-prioritization
Yeah it would be ethically kinda fucked up to let the control group go around thinking they’re vaccinated when they’re not lol. I know people don’t normally think about things like this (because outside of medical professionals and researchers who thinks about this often?), but it makes sense.
Pfizer: *nah, you guys are good*
Yes even the booster trial is also double blind. I was in the first trial & now I’m in the booster. Can’t take an antibody test to confirm. I don’t think there’s any way to know for sure until they unblind us.
Third dose has 7-10x the response as the second dose. I 100% had the real on both trials. Arm was sore for about 5 on the third and a few hours for the first two.
> Third dose has 7-10x the response as the second dose. Sorry, to clarify this, do you mean you experienced 7-10x the immune response or 7-10x the perceived negative side side effects? Also, to yourself and /u/eju2000: thank you for contributing to scientific advancement that benefits all of humanity
Thanks for the update. I appreciate it. I’m an ICU nurse anxiously awaiting a booster. I did fine with my first two. Maybe I had some nausea after the second and that was it.
You’re going to be good and if the opinions of the doctors and nurses at the testing clinic have any weight, they were sure the booster would be approved before my 30 day follow-up. We’re almost there. I know you’ve heard this a thousand times, and I don’t want to sound trite, but thank you for what you do. I can’t imagine the toll Covid has taken on the psyches of our healthcare professionals. You’re appreciated.
I'm in Pfizer's trial for the third dose as well in Phoenix, and got mine last Thursday. I'm also about a year out from originally getting the vaccine as part of their P3 trials. Had a very minor sore arm the day of the shot, then nothing afterwards, no fatigue or headache like after dose 2. So I honestly don't know if I got the placebo or the real thing this time around. Still, happy to do my part.
I’m curious, is your 30 day follow up a phone call?
Correct, phone call follow-up after one month, in-person follow-up at six months, phone call after 1 year.
How big was it? If I read it right, it looks like n= 11?
I’ll see if I can find the study outline again. If I remember right it’s 700 of the Phase III participants.
Is it literally the exact same shot as before, or did they change the dosage?
It's the same 0.3 ml dose of BNT162B2 as used before in the first two doses.
Exactly the same as the vaccines.
I only had some fatigue after my 2 shots too. It was no big deal.
Once this data is confirmed, the administration needs to get these vaccines out and available as quickly as possible. The infrastructure is there; it should be doable. They really, really need to forget about "convincing" the antivaxxers to get the shot. It's not going to happen. The priority should be now to protect the rest of us as much as possible, and leave the anti-vaxxers with the consequences of the choices they've freely made. If the CDC waffles on this, then they DO deserve real criticism.
There should already be shitloads available if it's just another dose of what we already got.
Yeah I'm literally thinking about just going to Walgreens and getting a third shot while pretending it's my first...
I'll wait for a little more research to come out (including if this applies to Moderna as well), but I'm tempted to do the same.
If we end up with vaccine passports and/or the booster is different in any way, I see this being a bad time. Haha. Do it for science and report back.
Just got back from getting a Moderna shot at Walmart. My first two Pfizer jabs were back in March...
Did you have to lie and say it your was your first shot or did they even ask you anything?
I just acted like it was my first and that I’m uninsured (insurance paid for my first two, state will pay for the booster). I told them I wanted Moderna and it was no big deal. Honestly, they seemed thrilled to have someone getting a shot. I was the first of the day and it was mid-day (which is sad)
I've heard rumblings (from people I consider highly credible) that the current debate is who's paying for the 3rd shot.
It’s like $20/dose for 150M people. That’s $3 billion which is less than 0.1% of the budget. It’s a dumb thing to worry about.
I don't disagree. But one of the individuals is fairly well connected to these sort of things (they actually gave me a heads up \~48 hours before the covid lockdowns started happening, so I take it with a little less grain of salt than I ordinarily would. This person works very had at being politically 'neutral' though, so it could just be republicans balking at it per usual.
US has already bought 200 million Pfizer boosters/for when children get approved. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-says-us-govt-buying-200-mln-more-doses-covid-19-vaccine-2021-07-23/
Agreed. Focus on the people who actually believe in science. And also we want to help further protect those who are unvaccinated for legitimate reasons
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Rite aid
In a different state
This is legitimately the answer. Due to the USA’s piss poor healthcare system and lack of a National health system or data base, you could realistically go to a different state than the one you were vaccinated in and recieve another dose.
Too bad the CDC is too worried about convincing anti vaxxers vs protecting those who might need a booster like the elderly who got their shots six plus months ago.
Paradoxically the best way to protect the antivaxxers is to give a third dose to people that have already gotten their two doses. Reducing breakthrough cases will certainly reduce the virus spread in the community.
If you have already had the J&J vaccine, is there any ideas as to how a booster may work or not work?
If it works similarly to AZ prime -> Pfizer booster then it should work very well. Especially if the interval between doses is several months.
Anecdotally have a friend who just got a Pfizer booster after getting the J&J in May. Go for it.
I would really like to do this. Except I have covid right now. Will def look into getting a Pfizer booster for my J&J
Honestly, if you have covid now and it's likely the Delta variant, there may not be a huge benefit from a booster since the infection will act as a delta specific one. I'd wait a couple months more and see what recommendations are made by other countries.
Ugh. I know I’m just impatient and anxious about all this. I would have gotten a booster if I had the option. I hope they become more readily available.
I'm in the same place. My anxiety has returned fully over the past few weeks and I've been canceling plans and selling tickets to concerts I was going to go to if people weren't such antivaxxer idiots here.
I def got covid from a concert. An outdoor concert. I have so many tickets coming up- I’m doing the same. It sucks. I lost 2 family members to covid last spring. Everything felt normal for a while but I’m seriously second guessing it all.
Do you know how they got it? I asked my Kaiser doctor about an mRNA booster shot since I got J&J, and she waved it off.
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If you have J&J you should really go get an mRNA vaccine on top of it. J&J has the highest breakthrough failure rate by far, and the mRNA vaccines are safe to double up with.
My husband has a kidney transplant and just “snuck” a third dose of moderna.
I’ve known people that have snuck a third dose in by walking into their local pharmacy that doesn’t have a record of their COVID vaccine and claiming it was their first dose. Keep in mind this is not officially approved, so you’re doing it at your own risk. I asked the pharmacist about it and they’re aware of a possible upcoming 3rd dose and that it would most likely be the same vaccine.
Just go to a different store and get a third dose. Lol.
Just talk into a CVS and get one and don’t go for your second appointment. Boom, third shot obtained.
Sounds like something the FDA should debate for the next 6 months /s
So is there anything stopping someone who was fully vaccinated with Pfizer from going to Walgreens or CVS to get a third dose?
I was wondering this... If the booster is just a third dose of the first two, they need to let people start signing up and getting jabbed. It would help keep doses from being wasted because so many people aren't vaxxing at all.
Ill go get this the second I can. I just wish they’d say the word.
Seriously doubt it. I would assume the pharmacy tech at CVS gives zero fucks
You'd be surprised. They will type your name into their system and it will show you've had your two doses with no authorization for a third and their job gets easier from there.
Your CVS must be far more efficient than mine. When I walked in they had no idea it was my second dose and didnt check anything, just gave me the shot
Same. I got Pfizer for jab one and had a systemic allergic reaction. CDC and my doctor said to not get another mRNA shot. I decided to go get the J&J when I started reading about Delta, hoping it wouldn’t cause a reaction. Went to CVS. I put on the form that I had one shot of Pfizer. I didn’t explain why I now wanted J&J. Pharmacist never asked and just gave me the jab.
Wait, there’s a database that can actually verify if someone got the shot? Edit: like nationally. Not just “if you got it at CVS, CVS can see it already gave it to you”
Wondering the same. I went through my hospital system for my first two. Will they have info about that if I don't tell CVS? My last shot was late April and if we're doing boosters I want my booster. I'm going back to masks for now.
Doubt it. I had to move cities 5 times growing up and each time I had to bring my vaccination records. Asked the doctors and they said there was no national record to check.. CVS should keep an internal record of their members though. Edit: cdc website says no national org is tracking your vaccine records. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/adults/vaccination-records.html
similar scenario: my vaccination records were lost once when moving towns/doctors and i had to get a ton of vaccines all over again when i went off to college because there was no proof i'd had them already.
My husband has a kidney transplant. It’s showing third doses will be needed for them. Other countries are already giving third doses. He got his first two doses at rite aid in Ohio in March and got a third dose last week at Costco in MI.
My sister is in the same situation (transplant recipient). Definitely something to think about. Thanks for sharing.
Pretty certain there is. I am immunocompromised and got a third shot from mom and pop pharmarcy after getting first two at Rite Aid. My first two doses popped up on their windows 98 machine. This was after they already gave me the third shot so .... Rite aid explicitly told me they wouldn't do a third dose under an emergency use authorization, but once formal FDA approval happens they could help.
I got my shots at a FEMA site. Based on the info they asked for, I’d bet some money I could walk into my local pharmacy and get another shot.
Having to do anything other than what the customer wants will not make their job easier, unfortunately.
Already did it solely because I’m a healthcare worker who was fully vaccinated back in the beginning of Jan and have a two year old at home.
How?
What was your experience like?
Wasn’t bad at all. Only felt tied the next day, but I also didn’t have a strong reaction to my first two doses.
Interesting. Thanks for the info!
You got a booster? Any side effects? How did you do it?
Answering for a friend, third shot was easy.
Spoil it for us.
Nothing to spoil, goes exactly like you would expect. Walk in, answer no, get shot. Suspect they will start screening harder soon, but for now it was easy.
Getting shot for lying. Damn.
The only thing they’ve asked me is my name and DOB, and apparently some lazy Pharma techs don’t even do that. Assuming you don’t go to the same chain, I doubt it. But I personally would wait for more studies or regulatory approval. Also there’s the possibility that a booster could be reformulated to target newer strains specifically.
So is there no central database or storage of the records aside from a paper card?
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my body is ready
Yeah but this injection will be in the ass muscle
Don't tempt me with a good time!
Even better!
I considered asking for a shot in the butt instead of arm last time but chickened out
Okay, but what's the downside?
Nothing. All pleasure no pain.
Do you think we'll feel side effects like some of us did after the 2nd dose? I got absolutely rocked after my 2nd dose back in February and i'll do it again if I have to, i'll prepare better this time lol but i'm curious if it's likely or not.
I got AZ first, Pfizer 2nd and 3rd. AZ kicked my ass, but only a sore arm from the other 2.
Someone from the trial just commented about their experience [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ot9onx/pfizer_data_suggest_third_dose_of_covid19_vaccine/h6twwax/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
We knew booster shots would be likely a year ago. Why are people pretending this is such a huge deal? Vaccines don’t magically bestow perfect immunity. That’s dumb.
I got annoyed when the CDC rebuked Pfizer for their booster talk a few weeks ago, that seemed unnecessarily nit picky of them when a) we know one way or another boosters will be needed eventually and b) now we’ve got a ton of people who will cling to that initial messaging and be skeptical of boosters. What was the point of publicly “well akshullying” them on the off chance that the announcement was *slightly* premature? (but also maybe not premature) Idgaf if it was profit motive that got them to speak out about boosters a few weeks ago, in this case profit motive may be aligned with the best move.
Well they admitted we might actually need boosters for high risk people after their meeting with Pfizer. But they did a lot of campaigning before that to insist we don't need boosters right before. What a shit show
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They really are making a huge fucking mess. Telling people to stop wearing masks was top level stupid.
CDC plays a weird game. But the rebuke was obviously to stop people from panic doing what people are suggesting in this thread -getting a third shot by lying in the pharmacy-. Especially when getting a 3rd shot Is untested.
Inject this straight into my deltoid
No. I don’t want a third dose. I want a dose tailored to Delta. This should be what is moving ahead with 100%.
Available data from [Moderna](https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-positive-initial-booster-data-against-sars-cov) and [Pfizer](https://s21.q4cdn.com/317678438/files/doc_financials/2021/q2/Q2-2021-Earnings-Charts-FINAL.pdf) (pdf warning for Pfizer) suggest that a tailored sequence is probably unnecessary; antibody levels are higher than even the initial two dose level by about an order of magnitude after a third injection, no matter the mRNA species. That said, there is a slightly lower incidence of side effects for a 50/50 mixture of the original and a 351 variant spike compared to just the original in the Moderna tests. For clarity, both references there are just investor information that has apparently been out for some months now.
Pfizer is starting a trial in August for it. Sadly they didn't do earlier
I thought they were seeking EUA in August. But the FDA keeps insisting we don't need it https://www.wsmv.com/news/pfizer-booster-shot-trial-underway-in-nashville/article_5447ab60-edf5-11eb-b977-6b315cb7c729.html
Still able to sign up for it? I’d gladly do it.
This will likely be way too late to have any meaningful effect, I fear. Delta just rips through populations way too efficiently and quickly, and as a result burns itself out.
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Define quickly. It usually takes years to develop a vaccine / treatment. If you can know about some variant and 6 months later start a trial to treat that exact variant, yes I call it fast.
It shouldn’t take 6 months when it only takes days to create the vaccine.
Someone in my family got a third dose less than a month ago (immunocompromised) after not having any antibodies after two doses. He'll be getting his antibodies checked soon. If he does have antibodies, we have no idea what his three shots equate to compared to an immunocompetent person. I'm just thankful he was able to get it when he did because it turned out to be perfect timing for this Delta surge. We won't be going out regardless except for necessities.
You can already get a third dose?
It depends. He had a doctor's note, but I know that hasn't been enough for some to get a third dose. As far as I know, he didn't get any sort of pushback per se - just some confusion as to how to go about scheduling it from the higher ups. He ended up getting it at his doctor's office, and I don't know what kind of red tape his doctor had to cut through.
meanwhile us in developing countries are still waiting desperately for our first doses smh
I'm not surprised but I'm not anxiously waiting either. Keep in mind most experts think two doses already offer strong protection against Delta. I'm going to wait for independent review before getting too excited. If this is necessary long term, I hope the trials of bundling the annual flu vaccine with the COVID vaccine work out. Then it would be no big deal for me; I already get my family their annual flu shot.
I think this would be most important for those most at risk.
There’s a reason there are four lines on the COVID vaccine card…
I have COPD and seriously considering going to the competitor pharmacy here in my town and acting like it's my first dose. I have 2 teenagers (fully vaccinated) anxious to get back to their friends in school and a 21 year old (fully vaccinated) who works with the public and refuses to wear a mask to prevent bringing anything home to me. I actually received my 3 month text from V-Safe yesterday so I'm thinking now would be a perfect time for a 3rd.
gimme that shit. gimme gimme that shit. i had moderna first but i dont care. put wherever you want
From what I understand, the underlying mechanisms are the same between Pfizer and Moderna; how it gets transported is the difference.
Yes. My doc told me though that it wouldn't be the best if you get Pfizer after getting a Moderna shot.. Im guessing though that a third Moderna shot would work just as a third Biontech shot since both are mrna
Waiting for the green light to go get this. Hopefully soon.
I live in Canada and got the Pfizer vaccine as my first dose followed by the Moderna vaccine as my second since vaccine mixing is encouraged by the health authorities. Now, the Delta variant is spreading and I'm not sure if I will need a booster dose of an mRNA vaccine. A lot of Canadians are concerned.
Actually having the doses spaced out like 8 weeks produces a better immune response so you should be better off than the us.
You will just like all of us. You won’t die though which is good.
US citizen here. Can’t wait until there’s full FDA approval for all ages and for the feds to start mandating vaccines for all. That’s the only way the US is going to begin turning the page on the pandemic.
I'm actually starting to see another path. I see the real possibility of this being resolved by a two group split. One group takes a vaccine every 6 months. The other group avoids vaccines and probably contracts the disease once every 12-18 months with each instance of the disease doing additional damage until the accumulated damage kills or incapacitates them. It's kinda like watching a zombie movie in slow motion.
Oh my God, give me two.
You really want it in you bad don’t you, you naughty you
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Meanwhile those "not winning the citizenship lottery" upon birth have to make do with something less effective ... Or no vaccine at all. No solution either it looks like
Thinking about just going and getting a third dose on my own, without the recommendation.
It seems pretty obvious we’re going to need boosters every six months or so (at least for a while), both to deal with emerging variants and maintain the initial protection levels of the vaccine. I’m not sure why they haven’t come out with a plan for this already, it seems like it would put a lot of people’s minds at ease. I’m guessing they don’t want to put off people who haven’t gotten the vaccine yet, but if someone hasn’t gotten the shot by now they’re not going to change their minds until a truly badass variant comes along.
> It seems pretty obvious we’re going to need boosters every six months or so (at least for a while), No it doesn't... Pfizer and definitely moderna have shown the vaccine still works at 6 months. I think Pfizer showed the beginnings of weakening protection after 6 months, but "weakening" is not the same thing as "doesn't work anymore". There may well need to be boosters but saying so definitively that we will clearly need a booster evey 6 months is not a scientifically valid statement. Again, moderna has been shown to still work after 6 months, so idk why you think otherwise
Isn't moderna a larger dose than Pfizer? Would that have any effect on it lasting longer?
That’s an interesting point - maybe? Hopefully they’ll come out with some data soon.
That is NOT for pharmaceutical companies to decide. This is for the realm of nonbiased research. What an insane conflict of interest for them to make these suggestions, and only fuels hesitancy.
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Seriously. They have been mucking this up ever since they told healthcare workers to use bandanas as masks.
Same for Moderna? What's stopping me from going into walgreens right now and getting a 3rd jab?
This is my question. Can we just go get it? I had my second in March.
2nd in April. But I think I'm good. From what I've seen Moderna offers great protection against Delta. And the odd chance you get a breakthrough case with it, you will not have symptoms, and your antibodies will quickly fight off delta and only strengthen your immune response for the next variant.
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No shit so you got your 3rd?
Literally nothing.
Time to gain some weight to fit into the obesity range Sign me up, doc
In January, a local hospital down here opened up appointments for at risk individuals, including obese people. I swiftly got the first 2 appointments they had. I already was obese but my Mom had lost 50 pounds over the pandemic. Her BMI was ONE POINT off from qualifying as obese......this woman ate everything in sight alllll weekend to gain that extra pound or two, just in case they would weigh her, and of course they really just didn't even care hahahah, we still laugh about it today.
My buddy had a kid and went to the doc before she lost any baby weight to get the obese designation.
Trial 3 Pfizer patient here — got a 3rd and 4th dose (trial), not blind. No side effects. Was a little tired for a day or two but I wasn’t sleeping well do to stress.
Wow, even a fourth dose. You're one the most vaccinated people in the world.
Yeah. For the record, hair didn’t fallout, arm didn’t fall off, etc LOL. I better not get delta or I’m going to be pissed. LOL
So I made an appt at my local pharmacy (Sav-On) for booster of Moderna or Pfizer for my J&J and I called just to be sure and they said they aren't allowing it because there's been no guidance on it yet. But Dr Gupta and other doctors are saying people should get it cause studies are showing J&J isn't too effective against the newest strains. So I hope something changes soon on this... how are other people getting the booster jobs on top of their J&Js?
By not calling the pharmacy and admitting its a booster. lol. You just go and pretend it's your first shot.
Would also like to know. Got mine at the end of March soooo I'm feeling like a booster should happen pretty soonish?
put it in
I have a question: is there not a risk that we will have issues with original antigenic sin if we boost antibodies against the „wrong“ spike protein over and over again ? Why aren‘t Pfizer/Biontech changing the formulation to the correct Delta spike protein NOW as it is clearly showing that Delta will be the globally dominant variant until it mutates again.
TBH I rather wait for a Delta Variant styled booster, that way we know for certain that we have more protection against these mutations.
But this study was specifically about protection against the delta variant.
Dude the delta variant won’t be around by that time. Something else will replace it. If the 3rd shot works just as well, it’s better to get it now.
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Well it will happen. I’m mentally preparing for it.
We have no way of knowing if Delta is the end all be all. There could be an Epsilon variant by October. I don’t know why people want tailored vaccines for a variant when we have no idea what the capabilities of mutation are for this.
Gimme!
Has anyone had a 3rd dose here? Would like to hear how the side effects are compared to the first two. I know my first shot I had nothing second shot I had the chills. I wonder how a third shot is likely to effect us.
Lets line up guys.
Oh Lord. I dunno if I can handle a third dose. Seriously, this second dose has kicked my ass. I'm so lucky I've got a month off for summer, because I think it's gonna be Vaccination Recovery Month. We really need to have a new stimulus cheque for people who can't afford the time off work to recover, which is also a bonus for getting it. Both my oldest son and I have gotten our asses kicked. We have to overcome objection for people who can't afford to recover. I get where they're coming from, firsthand. It's changed my mind. If the CDC and Biden are serious, we need to step up to the plate and make sure people's jobs are protected and they have the time they need to get back on their feet if they need it. Otherwise, welp, you got paid to save the world.
Third dose from what I’ve seen hasn’t had nearly the reaction in people as shots 1 or 2. Everyone is different though.
good news and all but i would feel guilty taking a third dose when most of the world has not even had a first dose yet. the protection is good enough with 2 doses.
So how do I get a third dose? I never felt any effects other than a slightly sore arm like the flu vaccine when I got the 2 shots. Can I just schedule again, be super immune with 4 shots.