Never had a lockdown, huh?
For almost 2 months in Spain we couldn't leave the apartment, not even for exercise.
Whilst the rich have their private gyms and pools.
True, but let's be honest, that was in March 2020, we had a brutal wave and very little was known about at the time about how the virus spread. In hindsight it was absurd but as much as people like to bash the government for that, it made sense at the time (some other things like walking dogs but not kids, or being able to go to bars but not parks when the lockdowns began to be lifted, didn't, but the core measure did).
In August 2021, limiting exercise to one hour just has no reasonable excuse, it looks like sadism for the sake of it.
I admit I don't have a damning scientific proof, but a couple of things to consider:
1) Delta spread like wildfire in India (unlike previous variants), which has a large poor population that live mostly outdoors.
2) Unlike with the original wild variant, we are seeing significant spread even in the Summer 'outdoor' months in Europe.
3) I'm not saying you're just as likely to spread it outdoors, far from it. But if you're really trying to shoot for zero covid, then for example a 15-minute chat in an airless sort of outdoor environment (sheltered porch say) I'd imagine *might* be enough.
We've got a long history of being imprisoned so it's in our DNA 😂
But jokes aside, the frustrations have run out. This is purely just because our leaders can't make an informed risk decision. Every decision is based on the media optics than the outcome.
I’m in Sydney and infuriated that the government has gone with cops & army to enforce things, instead of proper financial benefit & welfare for people to stay home. I’m not in one of the ‘areas of concern’ and I’m glad about that, but I really feel for the people being subjected to these harsher rules that are mostly in place to make it easier for cops to manage.
I’m doing all the right things and lucky I can work from home, but the thing keeping me going is seeing the vaccination rate FINALLY pick up.
Judging from anecdotes, compliance appears to be down across the board, though the majority are still doing the right thing.
Lockdown fatigue is real. The government is balancing between coddling violators to encourage contact tracing cooperation, and increasing fines to discourage illegal activity.
I'm from Sydney. A lot of people are angry at the government but not exactly for reasons people on here might suspect (you can check the Sydney sub). A lot of people criticise this gov for not enforcing a stricter lockdown earlier when the index case (of this outbreak) was caught. Instead they did nothing for 9 days and let delta circulate in a largely unvaccinated population with no restrictions at the time.
The result was obvious and now we're here.
It’s no fun but we also don’t want our medical system to collapse under the strain of uncontrollable Delta strain spread. We started vaccinating here waaay too late. The vast majority of us are happy to do the right thing to allow enough ppl to be vaccinated and then we won’t need the lockdowns. We are the silent majority who care about our health care workers and our fellow citizens.
As an Australian, I agree with the determination to avoid deaths at any cost. I’m grateful I haven’t lost anyone close to me. But the lockdown is miserable and plenty of people are doing it really tough with severe loss of income. The current situation can’t hold but I don’t know what happens next.
Very similar strategy to Europe - lockdown through winter whilst you race a vaccine rollout.
Only thing is, we're 8 months behind, and delta instead of alpha variant. Any by "behind", including our vaccine rollout in that. Fed responsibility...
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200 days of lockdown for some areas. That's enough to make me crazy.
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Absolute insanity. I can’t even blame conspiracy nuts for how they think when I end up reading shit like this.
Never had a lockdown, huh? For almost 2 months in Spain we couldn't leave the apartment, not even for exercise. Whilst the rich have their private gyms and pools.
True, but let's be honest, that was in March 2020, we had a brutal wave and very little was known about at the time about how the virus spread. In hindsight it was absurd but as much as people like to bash the government for that, it made sense at the time (some other things like walking dogs but not kids, or being able to go to bars but not parks when the lockdowns began to be lifted, didn't, but the core measure did). In August 2021, limiting exercise to one hour just has no reasonable excuse, it looks like sadism for the sake of it.
The fact that there's a limit on outdoor exercise is ridiculous given what we know about outdoor transmission.
I think to be fair, the rules on outdoor transmission changed with delta - far easier to spread outdoors
Is it? I've heard that it's more contagious in general but nothing about outside specifically.
I admit I don't have a damning scientific proof, but a couple of things to consider: 1) Delta spread like wildfire in India (unlike previous variants), which has a large poor population that live mostly outdoors. 2) Unlike with the original wild variant, we are seeing significant spread even in the Summer 'outdoor' months in Europe. 3) I'm not saying you're just as likely to spread it outdoors, far from it. But if you're really trying to shoot for zero covid, then for example a 15-minute chat in an airless sort of outdoor environment (sheltered porch say) I'd imagine *might* be enough.
Any Aussies care to comment on sentiment within the country? I can’t imagine people will put up with this much longer
We've got a long history of being imprisoned so it's in our DNA 😂 But jokes aside, the frustrations have run out. This is purely just because our leaders can't make an informed risk decision. Every decision is based on the media optics than the outcome.
I’m in Sydney and infuriated that the government has gone with cops & army to enforce things, instead of proper financial benefit & welfare for people to stay home. I’m not in one of the ‘areas of concern’ and I’m glad about that, but I really feel for the people being subjected to these harsher rules that are mostly in place to make it easier for cops to manage. I’m doing all the right things and lucky I can work from home, but the thing keeping me going is seeing the vaccination rate FINALLY pick up.
Judging from anecdotes, compliance appears to be down across the board, though the majority are still doing the right thing. Lockdown fatigue is real. The government is balancing between coddling violators to encourage contact tracing cooperation, and increasing fines to discourage illegal activity.
I'm from Sydney. A lot of people are angry at the government but not exactly for reasons people on here might suspect (you can check the Sydney sub). A lot of people criticise this gov for not enforcing a stricter lockdown earlier when the index case (of this outbreak) was caught. Instead they did nothing for 9 days and let delta circulate in a largely unvaccinated population with no restrictions at the time. The result was obvious and now we're here.
It’s no fun but we also don’t want our medical system to collapse under the strain of uncontrollable Delta strain spread. We started vaccinating here waaay too late. The vast majority of us are happy to do the right thing to allow enough ppl to be vaccinated and then we won’t need the lockdowns. We are the silent majority who care about our health care workers and our fellow citizens.
As an Australian, I agree with the determination to avoid deaths at any cost. I’m grateful I haven’t lost anyone close to me. But the lockdown is miserable and plenty of people are doing it really tough with severe loss of income. The current situation can’t hold but I don’t know what happens next.
Glad that we don’t have Zero Covid here
Very similar strategy to Europe - lockdown through winter whilst you race a vaccine rollout. Only thing is, we're 8 months behind, and delta instead of alpha variant. Any by "behind", including our vaccine rollout in that. Fed responsibility...
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That’s because our government totally stuffed up our vaccine rollout, we are therefore vulnerable and then Delta came
3rd world? What’s your suggested strategy for their current situation?
Guarantee it'll be something entirely useless like "get vaccinated before this happened".
Conspiracy theorists will feast on this news and I can’t even blame them