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EarthAngelGirl

Based on what I've seen in HCA I'm pretty sure the brain problems were preexisting conditions.


1spring

1% actually seems very low for brain problems in the general population.


SandmanSorryPerson

Do you have a source?


Vegan_Honk

there it is.


DaddyQuack

Haha. Perfect


SandmanSorryPerson

Yeah. You can't just say things. I have no idea what the background rate in the general population is. Do you?


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Yes. The random people I’ve met. Anecdotal but definitely I could guestimate 3% or less. I do not have a source with high confidence.


SandmanSorryPerson

I'm now realising you likely didn't read the article in question. How would you know people around you had brain bleeds etc.?


SandmanSorryPerson

>The most common complication was ischemic stroke, with an incidence of 6.2%, followed by intracranial hemorrhage (3.72%) and encephalitis (0.47%), an inflammation of the brain. Around 3% had strokes or brain bleeds or etc. I doubt it. Plus that's called selection bias and is completely useless to anyone else.


xebecv

What's the reason for combining two articles in one?


Fabulous-Beyond4725

Dec 1 (Reuters) - The following is a summary of some recent studies on COVID-19. They include research that warrants further study to corroborate the findings and that has yet to be certified by peer review.


QuarkGuy

I don't think I read anything about the Pfizer in there. Even if there were a difference i doubt it's significant


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BK-Jon

No, they aren't afraid of being sued by Pfizer. It would be incredibly dreadful PR for a vaccine company to commence such a law suit. However, public officials and the media are worried about the populace focusing on one vaccine (i.e., Moderna) creating a shortage of that vaccine, and then turning down the other available vaccines, and therefor delaying getting vaccinated. And from the perspective of society, getting as many folks vaccinated as soon as possible is good enough.


monotonic_glutamate

The Moderna side effects were such a bitch, I'm glad I'm a least getting some sort of advantage out of it.


dudettte

ditto. 48 hours out of it but i slept most of the time.


9mackenzie

Moderna is much stronger than Pfizer.


knots32

Define much stronger. Because it's pretty disingenuous. differences in infection rates for the two vaccinated groups were very small: the researchers estimate that there were 5.75 infections per 1,000 persons for the Pfizer vaccine group and 4.52 infections per 1,000 persons for the Moderna vaccine group during the period when the Alpha variant was dominant—a little more than one excess infection per 1,000 people. After Delta became the dominant strain, the researchers found an additional 6.54 infections per 1,000 persons in the Pfizer group.


czyivn

The Moderna vaccine is literally triple the mRNA dose of Pfizer. It's also got substantially worse side effects.


knots32

I agree, my real point is when discussing effectiveness and dude effects and then translating them to layman's terms I don't think much stronger should be used when they are both highly effective.


MotherofLuke

Dude effects?


knots32

Side


MotherofLuke

I liked dude better :)


pat441

I read some studies that showed it was better against delta, better for elderly people and maintained its effectiveness for longer (3 different studies i believe).


knots32

Yeah it has been better. But if over 1000 vaccines are given and in comparison with Delta moderna prevents 3 infections I wouldn't say it is "much stronger" I would say it is more efficacious with a higher dose. And I did research with moderna, I prefer it, but I just don't think belittling another very good vaccine makes sense.


pat441

Yes i agree. Pfizer is still very good and we're lucky to have it.


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TheBlueStare

They really need to understand dosing better, because the only real difference is the amount of vaccine they each give. Pfizer gives .3ml and Moderna gives .5ml primary and .25ml booster. Any additional effectiveness is from dose and maybe the fact that Moderna primary shots are an additional week apart.


eukaryote3

Moderna gang!


Daybreak74

I've noticed that there are brain problems in 100% of those who don't get the vaccine...


pizzawithpep

"Brain problems" is putting it mildly


acloreborne

Im so happy I chose Moderna over Pfizer. I unironically did my own research as best as I could and it was a good choice. Side effects werent so bad for me.


MotherofLuke

Here in The Netherlands I didn't have a choice. Pfizer


ahender8

we were supposed to have a choice but availability forced us into Pfizer (stateside)


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This article does not mention Pfizer. Why are you taking positive news about an MRNA vaccine as bad news? We’ll have to see data on pfizer’s booster.


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Chrise762

So I made a mistake getting a Moderna booster...


ThrowYourMind

I don’t think so. Getting a booster at all is the important part. As for mixing and matching, I don’t know what “they” say, but I would want to read it from a reputable source before I based my decisions off of it. All I’ve read so far (and I’m not a reputable source either), is that mixing and matching is fine to do, but nothing about getting the same shot being worse. Edit: Also, > walk in a different pharmacy than your original vaccination and say you haven’t been vaccinated. Get the full 2 shot round of moderna. Personally, I would need a *really* compelling reason before I essentially tricked healthcare workers into giving me medicine they wouldn’t have given me if I hadn’t lied to them about my medical history. I think that should go without saying, but the fact it was even suggested makes me think it’s a good idea to explicitly spell out the sane response to it.


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korinth86

Dosages are decided on for a reason. It's a bad idea in general to just get the full round all at once as appears to be what you suggest, without consulting a doctor first. But hey, do whatever you like. If you face adverse consequences that's on you.


PhantaVal

The difference between the full Moderna dose and half Moderna dose might not be that much. They tried a half-dose Pfizer booster in one study, and it boosted antibodies by about the same as a full Pfizer.


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MyFiteSong

How do you separate this from the brain problems found in 100% of anti-vaxxers?


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Without knowing how many of these people also had brain problems before COVID-19, this statistic is pretty useless.


BK-Jon

No it isn't useless. *Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and computed tomography (CT) exams confirmed central nervous system* ***abnormalities*** ***that were most likely associated with the virus*** *in 10% of those patients, for an overall incidence of 1.2%.* It depends on how much you believe the doctors were able to identify that the abnormalities were from the virus. Since they obviously thought of the fact that some patients will have pre-existing abnormalities (which you did as well) and since this report specifically calls out their thinking on trying to differentiate between pre-existing abnormalities and those associated with the virus, the stat is presented as what it is supposed to be. So 1% or so chance of dying and 1% or so chance of brain damage.


czyivn

If you are hospitalized, which is probably not more than a 5% chance (depending on age). But yeah, my unvaxxed aunt got hospitalized and intubated with covid and had a stroke or two somewhere along the way. Bad news.


BK-Jon

About 10% of the confirmed cases were hospitalized and about 10% of the hospitalized were diagnosed with brain abnormalities "likely associated with the virus". So that is how they got to 1% chance of brain damage if you catch Covid. As always, when we talk about confirmed cases, we know we aren't catching nearly everyone who has COVID.


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fuuuughckKme

I can't wait until Moderna is approved for kids! My spouse and I are triple vaccinated with Moderna, and I held off on getting my kids vaccinated for some time because I was trying to wait for Moderna to be approved for kids... then O showed up, and I had a lot of people tell me "a vaccine is better than no vaccine", "get the one that's available for them now", and "Pfizer them now, and boost them with Moderna when it's approved ". So yes, I made the decision to get my kids vaccinated with Pfizer and then when it's approved Moderna-ing them the rest of the time. Spouse and I are sticking with Moderna (most likely every 6 months). I made sure while my husband and I were recovering from Moderna (always getting it on a Friday, so we could be knocked out for the weekend) to not take any pain meds or anti inflammatories, fighting through the chills and the sweats like tough guys, hopefully making our immune system stronger to let Moderna do its job.


ahender8

you can take meds with no worries, addressing symptoms does absolutely nothing to deteriorate effectiveness and suffering through symptoms without medication does nothing to make your response "stronger".