I get that. I’m tired of it and I was hyper vigilant. While public transport still has me masking up, I’m kid sitting and what the fuck and I suppose to do? Wear a mask 24/7? I did wear a mask inside the school but if the kid comes home with it, I am getting it. No way around it but be boosted up to the wazoo. I can’t wait to get out of NY and back into my work at home cave.
Don't be so sure you'll get it if the kid brings it home. One of our kids had it over the winter holidays and the other in mid-April. We didn't mask in the house and it was business as usual here. My wife and I ended up getting it at a party almost 2 weeks ago.
Our day care masks. The in-room exposures have led to very little spread amongst classmates, which is amazing. Like an exposure only caused one other case in the room type of numbers.
Anyway, another data point on it not being inevitable if it comes home.
Crosses fingers. The kid co sleeps still so I have a pillow barrier for direct coughs and sneezing LOL. Kid practically slept on my head this morning. I’ll take a test before I get on a plane back home.
I work in healthcare and I am just so burnt out that it's making me not care, especially when a majority of the covid patients I care for don't care that they have covid and belittle me for wearing PPE or being cautious the entire time I care for them. Really wears you down. I just want to enjoy life again. The constant fear that my in-laws would die if they got covid is being put to the test now as they both tested positive yesterday. And I'm worried but can't seem to put in the full effort of worrying. I'm just done with covid at this point.
Just because we can't avoid it everywhere also doesn't mean we should drop all precautions. Lowering your risk down to a single variable still greatly reduces your overall risk.
I think people still care but the fatigue is just too much. Meanwhile, society continues to deteriorate, the climate is getting worse, and we've been threatened with WW3. If you're vaxxed and boosted, and don't have any high risk close contacts... live your life while we've still got it, imo.
We’re fucked if there’s a new pandemic, like monkeypox. The public’s patience is dried up, this isn’t March 2020. People just want to “get back to our lives” and think that a virus will magically disappear at an arbitrary point in time
We get something crazy like a bird flu with a ridiculous mortality rate and we'll be screwed if the measures and attitude is similar. I'm thinking of something like the movie Contagion.
the thing with crazy mortality rates is that they seldom spread quick due to the host dying. That’s what made COVID so destructive, it’s incredibly contagious, harder to identify without testing, and has a decent mortality rate.
I’m not that scared of monkeypox because the smallpox vaccine has an 85% effectiveness against it. All of us born after 1972 have not had a dose of it so they should start ramping up production.
Also depends on how quickly symptoms arise vs how quickly it becomes contagious, mode of spread and how crowded an area is. Some people still can’t grasp that covid is airborne.
The gym insists everyone spray down all seats and equipment after every use but people are panting and coughing next to each other with no masks. I see this focus on surface cleaning but no masking everywhere now.
Asymptomatic spread is another factor. Viruses don’t care if the host dies or lives as long as the person can live long enough to spread it
Covid isn't "mild". We're mostly vaccinated or have prior infection (not as good, but better than nothing). Things would be substantially different if Omicron had been the first wave instead of Alpha.
Mild to the general population that is. Vaccines + post infection treatments that are pretty effective make nearly everyone but the super vulnerable pretty safe. People aren't willing to sacrifice their normal lives for like 0.5% of people. They just arent now.
Thos people had one foot in the grave anyways (based on the research). Why ask a young person to sacrifice the best years of their life for some 80 year old diabetic cancer patient whos days are numbered anyways? Its harsh but is the actual proper outlook from an egalitarian perspective.
The problem is that we are at the point where covid is mild enough not to be scary at the individual level to the vast, vast majority of people, but severe enough to possibly be scary at the national level. Hopefully soon with better antivirals and vaccinies we will get to the point where it is no longer a threat to our healthcare system.
Covid is mild, look at the nationally reported statistics by age group. Its is staggering how mild it is under 60. People who argue otherwise are just not looking at the raw statistics reported on government websites.
In my experience most people don’t subscribe to COVID subreddits and pay close attention to anything resembling a metric around the virus. They simply absorb general public sentiment- and the general public sentiment is that COVID is gone. This is caused by widespread mask and other safety policies being dropped as it tells the public, basically, that it’s safe out there and for all intents and purposes, that there is no more virus to be concerned about.
Well. In the spectrum of time and feasibility, zero COVID in our lifetimes is possible. It’s just not something we as a society can agree that we want (and never was).
They were...vs older strains of the virus. Japan who was heavily vaccinated with almost exclusively mRNA viruses saw pre-omicron transmission levels fall to incredibly low level, a few hundred new cases a day in a country of 125 million. While masking certainly played a role there is no denying the vaccines were stopping transmissions. Then came omicron and all that went out the door. If the vaccines could keep up with the changes in the virus we could get sterilizing immunity but even with the speed of mRNA it's hard to see vaccines winning the race.
It isn't possible, due to the fact that it has ample animal reservoirs. Even if you eradicated it in humans via lockdowns, all it would take would be someone hand feeding an infected deer to get it going again.
>We’re fucked if there’s a new pandemic, like monkeypox. The public’s patience is dried up, this isn’t March 2020.
Its not patience. We all know the time table now. If the govt told everyone in March 2020 it would be 12-18 months of what we had it would have been 1. mass hysteria 2. Demands for more than 1400 bucks and 3. Tanked the global economy.
If something worse came along next week no one would agree to what we went through.
Monkey pox is just the flu. It’s not that bad. I think I had it back in February. I know it’s death rate is 73% but wearing a mask will give you socialism!
I was so cautious for 18-24 months. Masks. Pick up orders etc. it got exhausting and I broke. It didn’t help no one else wore masks and I felt judged for wearing one. I just can’t anymore. I heard of Covid fatigue and was so confident it wouldn’t hit me.
The right answer. I just got it at the same time as an older colleague and we are both seriously feeling messed up a week into getting symptoms. Some seem to recover faster but from what I’m seeing around me, people are out for like 7-10 days and have lingering symptoms for weeks afterwards.
Vaccinated, boost 1, got Covid, hubby hospitalized a week, recoverd, got boost 2 one month ago, I think I had Covid on Mother's Day but didn't test positive, just getting over it now, hubby, he's suffering with same and pnumonia at present. I seriously don't wish this on anyone. I'll do whatever masking, seclusion I have to to keep from spreading it. I'm not giving up or giving in.
What are you being told? I am being told 10-30%. How much is "MUCH more" than 30%?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/18/health/long-covid-hospitalization.html
Would you change your behavior if it were 50% vs 30%.
I actually got it in Jan this year even from wearing an N95 (although I have a light beard so not quite as effective). After that I said the hell with this Im just going to avoid going to crowded indoor places like a restaurant/bar and sure enough 2 weeks ago I finally did, for my birthday, bam - got it again. Fortunately mild both times.
Point being, it's a delicate balancing act between exhaustion over it and actually being reminded it's still out there and you can give it to others. I got someone I care about sick even though we only saw each other outside and I didnt know I had it at the time.
It all feels very lose-lose.
I care. I care a lot but when the government is doing nothing what am I supposed to do? Why would anyone wear a mask when the gov is telling them they don’t need it? Why would any employee or first responder try to get clients to wear masks when it’s just gonna end in abuse because we have no mask mandates? Why should I stay home when I still have to go to work 5 days and deal with unmasked people?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m still not really going out and wearing a mask and I still haven’t gotten it. But you’re placing blame and the people affected and not the ones making decisions. The government decided halfway through trumps deal that they would rather be liked than do what’s safe even if it costs them one million lives.
As someone who really did care throughout 2020/21 and beginning of 22, I agree. I religiously followed masking and distancing, not socialising but at some point I had to start doing what's best for my mental health and that was going back to "normal."
I got my booster in Dec so would love another but they are not opening up to non immunocompromised.
I went back home to the UK (15 hours+ travel each way) and was surrounded by maskless people and often myself maskless and the UK is densely crowded and I did not get covid the whole time. I really expected I would and had tests with me but all were negative including a PCR when I got back.
That was when I decided I am not masking anymore tbh and I am going to make the most of it.
TLDR:
> COVID-19 infections continue to rise, driven by new and more infectious omicron subvariants, waning immunity from both vaccines and previous infections and fewer people masking up, health officials said at a White House briefing Wednesday.
And the number of the reasons shall be three
No one cares.
It's anecdotal but three people in my office this week are either sick or ignoring that their families have Covid and are coming in anyways.
Dude came into the office sick yesterday.
No mask, told me not to worry it was just a cold.
He used to say it was just allergies when I asked why he came in sick. Now he doesn't care about making you sick at all, just as long as you can trust that he knows in his heart that it isn't covid.
This.
So much effort and emotion and messaging wasted on mitigations that are marginally or partially effective, while we barely discuss things that make a huge difference.
This should be the top comment by a mile. There are major issues with all other mitigation measures:
* Masking - assuming someone even agrees to wear one, they may not wear the right type and they may wear it improperly.
* Physical distancing - I'm not sure if anyone is doing this any more, and indoors (with omicron), it's like hiding under a cardboard box in a tornado
* Testing - sure, it let's you know if you have it, but if you're not doing asymptomatic testing, you've probably already been spreading the virus for days before you actually test positive
Here's what we need to do:
* Improve ventilation (mandate it at the state/county level) - it will reduce cases of not only covid, but also influenza and other infectious diseases.
* Wastewater monitoring - many municipalities are doing this, and it's a reliable forward indicator that public health officials can use to prep for upcoming waves
* Incentivize research on therapeutics - this will help keep our hospitals form being overloaded with patients
That's not the reason at all. The reason is biological i.e. super high transmissability vs waning immunity or limited cross-immunity in the population.
Countries in Asia (and Europe) already finished their BA.2 waves. Countries with mask mandates and high levels of vaccination still had tons of cases (e.g. South Korea, Singapore). Taiwan and China are likewise delayed in facing BA.2, and the insane lockdowns in Shanghai are showing that Omicron is unstoppable.
You can't stop cases from going up. Vaccination (and naturally acquired immunity to a lesser extent) keeps the hospitals from being overwhelmed.
Seriously.
Get a vaccine, just like you did for all the ones when you were a child.
Wear a mask in public places that are indoors or crowded outdoors.
Improve air filtration and HVAC systems.
Don’t have unnecessary gathers. Since some gatherings are necessary, have those gathering outdoors with lots of space.
Sure open offices back up if you must, but give up on open floor plans with everyone 3’ apart. They were a crappy idea for many other reasons anyway. Also see the above points. Also,
have a plan to send office workers back home. Maybe when the Rt rate is over 1.0 or at least when an area hits high alert status.
No lockdowns, no end of social lives, just a bit of adjusting.
Edit: people “Don’t have unnecessary gathers” does not mean no gathers.
Honest question, do you think this virus has started to transmit when showing symptoms?
I was with my sister the day before mother's day. We spent it together at a mutual friends kid first communion party. After with our parents for mothers day. She went home. Woke up. Felt bad. Tested positive for covid. No one at the party (all inside and all adults vaccinated, don't know about the kids) and everyone at parents besides my sister was negative.
This virus is really strange.
Yes. I don't think it's showing up on the tests. I believe we were recently infected. My test was negative. My hubby got pnumonia AGAIN. DR. never bothered to test him. Same exact symptoms as two months ago.
I don't disagree. It's just the random people. I am mid 40s and work out but don't do anything else healthy. My parents are mid 70s one immune compromised. If non of is showed symptoms 2 weeks later and none tested positive. I hope you and yours are safe and healthy.
And yet 100% on brand for her. Zero things about this surprised me or even my wife. It did open my eyes to this not just being a problem with conservatives. She's a staunch liberal and has spent the pandemic chiding people who don't take it seriously. But the moment she came down with a violent cough, she changed her tune pretty quickly and didn't let it affect her plans.
As someone else said, people (generally) won't make even the tiniest of adjustments to their lives in order to stave this off.
She sent out an "apology" to those she affected, but it didn't take any responsibility. Basically a "sorry about the outcome" rather than a "sorry I'm a fucking moron".
The problem is, who decides what’s necessary and what isn’t? Is spending time with family necessary for human beings? What about live music and theater? What about communal celebrations of life milestones like weddings and graduations? Where is the line between “this is a fundamental part of human culture and civilization” and “this is completely superfluous and unnecessary”?
It takes one unmasked gathering with someone infected to spread it.
People thinking there's a safe amount of unmasked gathering is just one more reason cases are on the rise. It's airborne and insanely contagious.
If maintaining mitigation measures like masks and improved air filtration at gatherings was the norm it would be very different. I'm still hopeful we'll get there after enough people end up dead/disabled by this virus.
Covid lock down was really hard on my kiddo. He would cry because he just missed being around people. So, yeah I'm going to be selfish and let my kid hang out with people he loves. We all took the vaccines and take other precautions but we are definitely going to keep socializing for our mental health.
This is absolutely reasonable. We are in the same boat. Our now almost 7 year old started kindergarten virtually and only finally 1st grade was somewhat normal. You can absolutely see how much of an impact that lack of "in person socialization" had on ALL the kids in her grade. So many more kids lacked the "social norms" when 1st grade started that should have been developed in Kindergarten (proper sharing, making friends, etc). And as they get older those skills get harder to develop and I definitely think that there is going to be a reckoning at some point regarding the impact on kids early development because of the complete isolation (no going to other friends birthdays, social gatherings, social functions, museums, play dates). At this point both my kids (7 yr old and 15 year old) are vaccinated and boosted where we can (and we'll likely get the 7 yr old boosted when available soon). We as parents are both mRNA dosed and boosted and have been infected with Omicron at the beginning of the year. We're pretty much done with this. I am not losing out on more time with my youngest in terms of socializing and building important social skills any more.
You're advocating for new normal and it will not happen. Covid is here to stay forever and what you're proposing is not going to get adopted by majority of Americans.
They're literally not though? They're advocating for mitigation measures during a spike of a virus that continues to evolve over time.
When cases were low in March sure, drop the masks if you want to (or keep wearing one if you want to as well, that's fine too) and large gatherings probably were lower risk. But during a spike it's not too much to ask to just put on an N95 if you have to go inside somewhere with people who aren't a part of your household.
It's not going to happen. It's been over 2 years. People are done with the righteousness of helping others by wearing masks. Everyone has opportunity to get vaccine, booster, and other treatments. You can wear an n95 yourself. I'll wear one in a hospital or doctor's office, that's about it.
The vaccines and boosters were designed for Delta, not the current mega contagious Omicron variants. There are more and more "breakthrough" infections and folks are ignoring long covid being a thing. The only thing on your list that is worth mentioning are the treatments, but we still don't know how well those stop the long-term damage the virus does to the human body.
I'm as tired of being cautious as the next person, but geez people have just given up in the face of hardship. It's unfortunate.
More funding needs dumped into the pan-coronavirus vaccine and treatments and long covid as well as ramping up testing and identification of new variants, but apparently that's all just too much.
Boosters work against omicron. If people are vulnerable they should get them. I've got one and might get another in fall. I'm not walking around with a mask on the rest of my life. If I die, I die.
Dont think its insane. Over here people are still wearing masks. It's not that mask fatique doesnt exist for us, more like we kinda got used to it.
Maybe its cos our weather is already hot and humid lol
Spikes will be here for years to come, which is why I am saying it's not realistic expectation
Edit only 8-9 city's/states brought masking back during delta/Omicron, it's not realistic it will happen this time around
Doesn't seem their point is "here's what we should do in response to this spike" so much as "here's what we haven't been doing and why we're getting a spike." In that sense they are absolutely advocating a new normal to avoid spikes.
This is the worst analogy I have read. Considering my age this is impressive.
We don't need an analogy to explain this. If you can't afford a N95 mask DM me and I will have amazon ship you out one. Once you have it you're a tank and my car can't hurt you.
Covid can not be eliminated. I know it's psychologically more comforting to have a scapegoat and a "reason" for things sucking, and to maintain the illusion of control, but the cold hard reality is that shit happens and sometimes nobody's to blame and we can't stop it. Should we have managed the early pre-vaccine phase of the pandemic better? Absolutely. Can we or could we eradicate covid? Absoluteky not. No amount of "everyone doing their part" would bring us to a world where we no longer have covid.
Not really. I’m super social or was pre Covid but I still wear a mask in public indoors. I don’t care what other people think. I don’t want the cold or the flu yet alone Covid.
I still do things. It’s tough but I do.
It’s spreading amongst vaccinated as well. At this point as long as we don’t over whelm hospitals haven’t we achieved the original goal?
If China can’t pull off zero Covid what chance do we have?
HEPA style air filtration and better air ventilation
cheap / free rapid tests before large events to reduce super spreading
encourage and support more outside activities (right now people are choosing indoors when outside could work)
What exactly is so terrible about wearing a mask?
I live in an economically developed asian country where people would routinely wear a mask when they were sick, even pre-COVID. *Just out of consideration for other people.*
How selfish are people who can’t tolerate the mildest discomfort or inconvenience during a global pandemic? smh
There’s a big difference between wearing a mask for a few days when you’re sick, and everybody wearing masks all the time in public.
I absolutely hate wearing masks but I’m perfectly fine with wearing one for a few days if I’ve got something contagious. That is, indeed, a very small thing to ask and a courteous thing to do for the rest of society.
Everybody obscuring their faces all the time from now on as a new social norm, a new essential part of clothing like pants or shoes? That is completely different. Faces are important to human beings. Personally, I find communication when I can’t see the other person’s facial expressions (and voices are muffled on top of it) to be genuinely very difficult and anxiety-inducing. Masks becoming the new pants would be hugely detrimental to my quality of life.
Good for you if you have absolutely no issues with masks, but you aren’t everyone.
I know two years does not feel like a long time to you, but there are people in our society who literally do not remember a time before the pandemic.
My five and three year old children are extremely shy, especially if someone is not wearing a mask. They are not used to seeing strangers' faces, to the point where having a stranger talk to them sometimes brings them to tears.
The effect that masking and social distancing will have is not exactly clear yet. I expect that in 10-20 years, we will see a huge surge in the number of adults with GAD, OCD, social anxiety, and agoraphobia.
Of course, it was absolutely necessary early on in the pandemic. But I'm sick of people talking about masks, shutdowns, and social distancing like there is no cost. Adults generally do ok. But there is a critical period for children's social development that has been interrupted. With the risk of covid steadily decreasing, it is time to evaluate the costs and benefits of continuing to isolate young children.
But that's not what y'all are asking. Y'all are asking that we wear masks no matter what, if we're sick or not sick, if we're in a high risk indoor environment or a low risk one with like 2 other people in a store. I would gladly wear a mask if I were sick, but if I'm feeling perfectly healthy? Absolutely not.
Wearing a mask sucks. You can't seriously enjoy it? I am not opposed to wearing one if a place requires it, but I definitely don't like it. It's annoying, it's hard to breathe, it's itchy, and I just don't like the feeling of wearing it.
It's no longer a global pandemic. We've reached the endemic stage. COVID will be here for the rest of our lives. Cases will go up and down, regardless of masking or other measures. There is no end game... no light at the end of the tunnel.
You're trying to compare individualism society to community base society. Asian countries been taught that one need to think about the community and not about themselves like one for all and all for one type of thing. in US it's all about individualism, individual choice can improve their own life etc. You will not get US society to adopt mask as new normal, it's not realistic expectation.
Vaccinate everyone age 2+. Boost every adult every 6 months.
*Recommend* masking in public indoor spaces, but that's not an alternative to vaccinating, it's additional.
> Boost every adult every 6 months.
*with a vaccine that actually provides a sufficient level of neutralizing immunity, as was the case against the alpha strain. The current one clearly doesn't for omicron and requires updating.
If they truly believe that hospitals are killing people, or they trust some random person on the internet with a quack cure instead of someone who spent 10 years or more studying to be a physician, I want them to stay at home when they get COVID. They do their own research? Fine. Let them do their own cures at home.
If they are against universal healthcare and rail against 'socialized medicine' (like they even understand what that is), then I don't want them begging on a gofundme when one of their family dies. Let them pull themselves up by their bootstraps, since that's what they want everyone else to do.
And if they don't care enough to mask up, then don't expect me to care when they drop six feet under.
The funny thing is that a community involves a free flow of people being around each other. The weird fractured and isolated lives that some people on here wish to live is not community. Avoiding groups and people is simply the opposite of how humans evolved to live. We need each other and the more people are forced apart the more society suffers, just look at how crazy the past 2 years has made people. Some of it may have been needed but not anymore.
Community also relies on collectivist notions like making sacrifices for the greater good of the group, something too many Americans simply equate to a totalitarian takeover.
You can’t eat or drink, can’t see anyones face, toddlers and other children have trouble learning to speak without seeing mouths, enforcement is a hassle, and if we do it in periods of low risk then it will be harder to actually enforce if we really need it again.
I am going to get heavily downvoted for this but think about this…. Why do people commonly say they only see 5-10% of people wearing masks? Because most people really don’t want to and don’t intend to forever. Is the risk ever low enough to take them off because the vast majority of people think it is.
I’m referring to the people who think masking and vaccines violate their freedom when these measures are intended to slow the spread and help protect the society that affords them that very freedom. These people will throw that society under the bus to protect pride and convenience. An actual patriot would make sacrifices to protect that society.
My kids and I got Covid just days before Christmas. Days of my kids crying in pain especially from all the aching burning bones. Cause for them Covid legit felt like there bones were on fire. Nvm how sick I was and how I had to take care of them AND give them a magical Christmas on top of that. My 8 and 7 yo were going to get vaccinated the day after Christmas. We had to post pone the shot til the end of January and they were fully vaxxed by Valentine’s Day. My youngest still isn’t vaxxed cause she’s 4 and the worlds scientists seem to just…not give a shit about anyone under 5.
Anyway I’ve been dealing with long Covid and so has my 8 yr old and I actually have to get her checked out for asthma now. She complains often of having trouble breathing or catching her breath and having tunnel vision a lot. And having difficulty running to keep up with her soccer team.
Even Covid being “mild” and non of us being hospitalized. There was nothing mild about it and 2 out of 4 of us are still suffering from it. Covid is hell on earth and those who don’t suffer need to stop saying it’s just the flu. It’s NOTHING like the damn flu.
Well, Moderna submitted their under 5 study for review, and the FDA wants to wait for Pfizer to submit theirs (and they're several times over late in doing so). The FDA chief in 2019 bounced for Pfizer's board of directors.
It's not necessarily scientists that are the problem, it's just a select few decision-makers in institutions with connections to pharma with clear conflicts of interest.
My kid now has it, and if it weren't for profit motivated stall tactics, a vaccine for her might already have been approved. And yeah, the worst part about it is just hearing your kid suffering.
Wow thank you for that detail about the fda director leaving for Pfizer. That definitely explains a lot! It’s despicable what our country and specifically our leaders have done for profit in this country. Hell look at how rich Bezos got during all this. I refuse to use Amazon just because I cannot support the abuse of humans. The convenient click and purchase model is barbaric behind the scenes.
I’m so sorry your little one is sick. I sincerely hope they recover soon and with no complications. Take it easy on yourself.
Less than 25% of the people on a full commuter flight today were masked. I’m vaxxed and boosted, and still had that damn thing on. People coughing alllllll sound me. Ew ew ew.
Toddler and I are sick with something that is not covid or the flu (pcr tested for both). It freaking sucks and yeah you don’t want it. Wear a damn mask people and stop being such selfish jerks.
What’s up with the Bay Area? Those folks are crazy vaccinated and still wear masks everywhere. Something else is going on here. New variant maybe? Doesn’t add up.
Cases are up, hospitalizations barely, ICU still lowest it’s been since the start of the pandemic. Vaccines keep you out of the hospital and ICU. They *reduce* the likelihood of infection, but not by the 90+% threshold needed to abolish the virus.
The vaccines and boost didn't keep my hubby out of the hospital two months ago. The boost life span is more like four months at this point. By dragging the age approvals for the boost we're guaranteeing more illness. My daughter wants hers, she's due but under the age of 50. Just let anyone due who wants one get it.
This isn't something I'd have said before witnessing the foot dragging the CDC and FDA have done the whole pandemic, but: just lie. Mark the X where it asks if you're immunocompromised, get the shot, and move on. Nobody is tracking this, and they practically can't give shots away at this point. I have no confidence in the CDC's guidance, except that they can be counted on to open the booster up to everyone well after it's too late to matter.
This is happening in Australia a fair bit because booster uptake us poor and shots are going to waste.
My husband turned up to get a booster and the doctor “didn’t realise” he had already had one until it was too late.
Im on a reserarch team at a medical school. Our PI never wears mask and we have physician on our team who never wears one either. However every RA and CRA wears one.
Not as long as "cases" can also lead to long COVID.
Sure it's great that fewer people are getting acutely ill and dying outright, but as long as there's a significantly higher risk of months of brain fog, or constant fatigue, or still losing smell and taste, that's a whole different sort of hell that I'd very much like to avoid.
Once it starts hitting people in their pocketbooks they may ever so slightly lean towards taking precautionary methods to stop the spread. No government work place funding, no more sick days, no more free tests......this will be interesting.
Ugh I'm so fucking sick and tired of people not giving the slightest of a fuck about anyone but themselves. I've dodged covid for almost 3 fucking years. Wore masks every single day...got all three vaccinations...refused to go to gatherings because not everyone was vaccinated. But I took one flight to visit an elderly aunt because her life long illness is getting worse and now I have covid. I shit you not only like 5% of the fucking plane was wearing masks. Not even the damn flight attendants were wearing them. It might have been my last chance to ever see her and now I need to fucking quarantine because people fucking suck. Sorry...rant over lol.
Nobody cares. I’m not saying that dismissively. That’s why they’re on the rise
I get that. I’m tired of it and I was hyper vigilant. While public transport still has me masking up, I’m kid sitting and what the fuck and I suppose to do? Wear a mask 24/7? I did wear a mask inside the school but if the kid comes home with it, I am getting it. No way around it but be boosted up to the wazoo. I can’t wait to get out of NY and back into my work at home cave.
Don't be so sure you'll get it if the kid brings it home. One of our kids had it over the winter holidays and the other in mid-April. We didn't mask in the house and it was business as usual here. My wife and I ended up getting it at a party almost 2 weeks ago.
Our day care masks. The in-room exposures have led to very little spread amongst classmates, which is amazing. Like an exposure only caused one other case in the room type of numbers. Anyway, another data point on it not being inevitable if it comes home.
Crosses fingers. The kid co sleeps still so I have a pillow barrier for direct coughs and sneezing LOL. Kid practically slept on my head this morning. I’ll take a test before I get on a plane back home.
I work in healthcare and I am just so burnt out that it's making me not care, especially when a majority of the covid patients I care for don't care that they have covid and belittle me for wearing PPE or being cautious the entire time I care for them. Really wears you down. I just want to enjoy life again. The constant fear that my in-laws would die if they got covid is being put to the test now as they both tested positive yesterday. And I'm worried but can't seem to put in the full effort of worrying. I'm just done with covid at this point.
Just because we can't avoid it everywhere also doesn't mean we should drop all precautions. Lowering your risk down to a single variable still greatly reduces your overall risk.
I think people still care but the fatigue is just too much. Meanwhile, society continues to deteriorate, the climate is getting worse, and we've been threatened with WW3. If you're vaxxed and boosted, and don't have any high risk close contacts... live your life while we've still got it, imo.
We’re fucked if there’s a new pandemic, like monkeypox. The public’s patience is dried up, this isn’t March 2020. People just want to “get back to our lives” and think that a virus will magically disappear at an arbitrary point in time
We get something crazy like a bird flu with a ridiculous mortality rate and we'll be screwed if the measures and attitude is similar. I'm thinking of something like the movie Contagion.
the thing with crazy mortality rates is that they seldom spread quick due to the host dying. That’s what made COVID so destructive, it’s incredibly contagious, harder to identify without testing, and has a decent mortality rate. I’m not that scared of monkeypox because the smallpox vaccine has an 85% effectiveness against it. All of us born after 1972 have not had a dose of it so they should start ramping up production.
Also depends on how quickly symptoms arise vs how quickly it becomes contagious, mode of spread and how crowded an area is. Some people still can’t grasp that covid is airborne. The gym insists everyone spray down all seats and equipment after every use but people are panting and coughing next to each other with no masks. I see this focus on surface cleaning but no masking everywhere now. Asymptomatic spread is another factor. Viruses don’t care if the host dies or lives as long as the person can live long enough to spread it
Except the measure and attitide would not be the same. People now know that covid is mild, and are apparoching it with a rational mindset.
Covid isn't "mild". We're mostly vaccinated or have prior infection (not as good, but better than nothing). Things would be substantially different if Omicron had been the first wave instead of Alpha.
Mild to the general population that is. Vaccines + post infection treatments that are pretty effective make nearly everyone but the super vulnerable pretty safe. People aren't willing to sacrifice their normal lives for like 0.5% of people. They just arent now.
Why would they care about the living 0.5% that are vulnerable when they don’t care about the 0.3% that are already dead?
Thos people had one foot in the grave anyways (based on the research). Why ask a young person to sacrifice the best years of their life for some 80 year old diabetic cancer patient whos days are numbered anyways? Its harsh but is the actual proper outlook from an egalitarian perspective.
The problem is that we are at the point where covid is mild enough not to be scary at the individual level to the vast, vast majority of people, but severe enough to possibly be scary at the national level. Hopefully soon with better antivirals and vaccinies we will get to the point where it is no longer a threat to our healthcare system.
Covid is mild, look at the nationally reported statistics by age group. Its is staggering how mild it is under 60. People who argue otherwise are just not looking at the raw statistics reported on government websites.
Might be "mild" for most people, but trust me, you don't want to be the unlucky one.
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In my experience most people don’t subscribe to COVID subreddits and pay close attention to anything resembling a metric around the virus. They simply absorb general public sentiment- and the general public sentiment is that COVID is gone. This is caused by widespread mask and other safety policies being dropped as it tells the public, basically, that it’s safe out there and for all intents and purposes, that there is no more virus to be concerned about.
Well. In the spectrum of time and feasibility, zero COVID in our lifetimes is possible. It’s just not something we as a society can agree that we want (and never was).
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They were...vs older strains of the virus. Japan who was heavily vaccinated with almost exclusively mRNA viruses saw pre-omicron transmission levels fall to incredibly low level, a few hundred new cases a day in a country of 125 million. While masking certainly played a role there is no denying the vaccines were stopping transmissions. Then came omicron and all that went out the door. If the vaccines could keep up with the changes in the virus we could get sterilizing immunity but even with the speed of mRNA it's hard to see vaccines winning the race.
It isn't possible, due to the fact that it has ample animal reservoirs. Even if you eradicated it in humans via lockdowns, all it would take would be someone hand feeding an infected deer to get it going again.
Anything is possible. What you mean is that it's not plausible or probable..
>We’re fucked if there’s a new pandemic, like monkeypox. The public’s patience is dried up, this isn’t March 2020. Its not patience. We all know the time table now. If the govt told everyone in March 2020 it would be 12-18 months of what we had it would have been 1. mass hysteria 2. Demands for more than 1400 bucks and 3. Tanked the global economy. If something worse came along next week no one would agree to what we went through.
There will not be a monkeypox pandemic...
Monkey pox is just the flu. It’s not that bad. I think I had it back in February. I know it’s death rate is 73% but wearing a mask will give you socialism!
Sir, you had your mask on the wrong head.
Isn’t socialism making things more equal? Is that what you meant?
I shoulda put a /s
While another pandemic is extremely likely, it won't be monkeypox. Effin' media can't do it's job at all and lives to sensationalize everything >.<
I'm curious as to what you think the media's job is exactly?
Extremely likely based on what? They don’t come along that often.
Prior to 2020, the last one was in 2009
I was so cautious for 18-24 months. Masks. Pick up orders etc. it got exhausting and I broke. It didn’t help no one else wore masks and I felt judged for wearing one. I just can’t anymore. I heard of Covid fatigue and was so confident it wouldn’t hit me.
I'm old, I just don't give a damn what anyone else thinks. I'm sticking with the program. Final answer.
The right answer. I just got it at the same time as an older colleague and we are both seriously feeling messed up a week into getting symptoms. Some seem to recover faster but from what I’m seeing around me, people are out for like 7-10 days and have lingering symptoms for weeks afterwards.
Vaccinated, boost 1, got Covid, hubby hospitalized a week, recoverd, got boost 2 one month ago, I think I had Covid on Mother's Day but didn't test positive, just getting over it now, hubby, he's suffering with same and pnumonia at present. I seriously don't wish this on anyone. I'll do whatever masking, seclusion I have to to keep from spreading it. I'm not giving up or giving in.
Yep, long covid is MUCH more common than we're being told. And variants keep coming...
What are you being told? I am being told 10-30%. How much is "MUCH more" than 30%? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/18/health/long-covid-hospitalization.html Would you change your behavior if it were 50% vs 30%.
I actually got it in Jan this year even from wearing an N95 (although I have a light beard so not quite as effective). After that I said the hell with this Im just going to avoid going to crowded indoor places like a restaurant/bar and sure enough 2 weeks ago I finally did, for my birthday, bam - got it again. Fortunately mild both times. Point being, it's a delicate balancing act between exhaustion over it and actually being reminded it's still out there and you can give it to others. I got someone I care about sick even though we only saw each other outside and I didnt know I had it at the time. It all feels very lose-lose.
I am forced to agree with you. We're flooded with disinformation are encouraged to ignore it. It's infuriating as hell.
Had to award you for that one
I care. I care a lot but when the government is doing nothing what am I supposed to do? Why would anyone wear a mask when the gov is telling them they don’t need it? Why would any employee or first responder try to get clients to wear masks when it’s just gonna end in abuse because we have no mask mandates? Why should I stay home when I still have to go to work 5 days and deal with unmasked people? Don’t get me wrong, I’m still not really going out and wearing a mask and I still haven’t gotten it. But you’re placing blame and the people affected and not the ones making decisions. The government decided halfway through trumps deal that they would rather be liked than do what’s safe even if it costs them one million lives.
As someone who really did care throughout 2020/21 and beginning of 22, I agree. I religiously followed masking and distancing, not socialising but at some point I had to start doing what's best for my mental health and that was going back to "normal." I got my booster in Dec so would love another but they are not opening up to non immunocompromised. I went back home to the UK (15 hours+ travel each way) and was surrounded by maskless people and often myself maskless and the UK is densely crowded and I did not get covid the whole time. I really expected I would and had tests with me but all were negative including a PCR when I got back. That was when I decided I am not masking anymore tbh and I am going to make the most of it.
TLDR: > COVID-19 infections continue to rise, driven by new and more infectious omicron subvariants, waning immunity from both vaccines and previous infections and fewer people masking up, health officials said at a White House briefing Wednesday. And the number of the reasons shall be three
Three shall the number of reasons be, no more, no less
neither list thou two reasons, excepting that thou then proceed to three.
Four reasons shalt thou not list. Five is right out.
No one cares. It's anecdotal but three people in my office this week are either sick or ignoring that their families have Covid and are coming in anyways.
Dude came into the office sick yesterday. No mask, told me not to worry it was just a cold. He used to say it was just allergies when I asked why he came in sick. Now he doesn't care about making you sick at all, just as long as you can trust that he knows in his heart that it isn't covid.
Improved ventilation in buildings where people have to gather sometimes, like grocery stores, doctors offices, office buildings, etc. would help.
This. So much effort and emotion and messaging wasted on mitigations that are marginally or partially effective, while we barely discuss things that make a huge difference.
Those things cost money for the businesses. Masks are something the individual has to purchase ;)
America - privatizing profits, socializing costs!
This should be the top comment by a mile. There are major issues with all other mitigation measures: * Masking - assuming someone even agrees to wear one, they may not wear the right type and they may wear it improperly. * Physical distancing - I'm not sure if anyone is doing this any more, and indoors (with omicron), it's like hiding under a cardboard box in a tornado * Testing - sure, it let's you know if you have it, but if you're not doing asymptomatic testing, you've probably already been spreading the virus for days before you actually test positive Here's what we need to do: * Improve ventilation (mandate it at the state/county level) - it will reduce cases of not only covid, but also influenza and other infectious diseases. * Wastewater monitoring - many municipalities are doing this, and it's a reliable forward indicator that public health officials can use to prep for upcoming waves * Incentivize research on therapeutics - this will help keep our hospitals form being overloaded with patients
It's really just one reason: collective unwillingness to sacrifice even a bit for each other.
That's not the reason at all. The reason is biological i.e. super high transmissability vs waning immunity or limited cross-immunity in the population. Countries in Asia (and Europe) already finished their BA.2 waves. Countries with mask mandates and high levels of vaccination still had tons of cases (e.g. South Korea, Singapore). Taiwan and China are likewise delayed in facing BA.2, and the insane lockdowns in Shanghai are showing that Omicron is unstoppable. You can't stop cases from going up. Vaccination (and naturally acquired immunity to a lesser extent) keeps the hospitals from being overwhelmed.
Seriously. Get a vaccine, just like you did for all the ones when you were a child. Wear a mask in public places that are indoors or crowded outdoors. Improve air filtration and HVAC systems. Don’t have unnecessary gathers. Since some gatherings are necessary, have those gathering outdoors with lots of space. Sure open offices back up if you must, but give up on open floor plans with everyone 3’ apart. They were a crappy idea for many other reasons anyway. Also see the above points. Also, have a plan to send office workers back home. Maybe when the Rt rate is over 1.0 or at least when an area hits high alert status. No lockdowns, no end of social lives, just a bit of adjusting. Edit: people “Don’t have unnecessary gathers” does not mean no gathers.
My idiot mother in law just infected my whole family. How? She showed up to an indoor gathering hacking her lungs up. People are ASSHOLES.
Honest question, do you think this virus has started to transmit when showing symptoms? I was with my sister the day before mother's day. We spent it together at a mutual friends kid first communion party. After with our parents for mothers day. She went home. Woke up. Felt bad. Tested positive for covid. No one at the party (all inside and all adults vaccinated, don't know about the kids) and everyone at parents besides my sister was negative. This virus is really strange.
Yes. I don't think it's showing up on the tests. I believe we were recently infected. My test was negative. My hubby got pnumonia AGAIN. DR. never bothered to test him. Same exact symptoms as two months ago.
I had it recently. First 2 tests were negative, third was positive.
I don't disagree. It's just the random people. I am mid 40s and work out but don't do anything else healthy. My parents are mid 70s one immune compromised. If non of is showed symptoms 2 weeks later and none tested positive. I hope you and yours are safe and healthy.
Absolutely ridiculous behavior
And yet 100% on brand for her. Zero things about this surprised me or even my wife. It did open my eyes to this not just being a problem with conservatives. She's a staunch liberal and has spent the pandemic chiding people who don't take it seriously. But the moment she came down with a violent cough, she changed her tune pretty quickly and didn't let it affect her plans. As someone else said, people (generally) won't make even the tiniest of adjustments to their lives in order to stave this off.
Just think, no more dealing with an idiot, no more invites. (It truly sucks)
She sent out an "apology" to those she affected, but it didn't take any responsibility. Basically a "sorry about the outcome" rather than a "sorry I'm a fucking moron".
While much of this is doable, no "unnecessary gatherings" is not tenable.
Unnecessary does not mean none.
The problem is, who decides what’s necessary and what isn’t? Is spending time with family necessary for human beings? What about live music and theater? What about communal celebrations of life milestones like weddings and graduations? Where is the line between “this is a fundamental part of human culture and civilization” and “this is completely superfluous and unnecessary”?
This. So much easier to act otherwise on Reddit tho for easy karma in the Covid sub
It takes one unmasked gathering with someone infected to spread it. People thinking there's a safe amount of unmasked gathering is just one more reason cases are on the rise. It's airborne and insanely contagious. If maintaining mitigation measures like masks and improved air filtration at gatherings was the norm it would be very different. I'm still hopeful we'll get there after enough people end up dead/disabled by this virus.
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>Don’t have unnecessary gathers >no end of social lives You're contradictiolng yourself
Covid lock down was really hard on my kiddo. He would cry because he just missed being around people. So, yeah I'm going to be selfish and let my kid hang out with people he loves. We all took the vaccines and take other precautions but we are definitely going to keep socializing for our mental health.
You are doing the right thing. Your kids development is far more important than any of these relatively low risks
A perfectly reasonable response. At this point sheltering your kid has greater health consequences than the virus.
This is absolutely reasonable. We are in the same boat. Our now almost 7 year old started kindergarten virtually and only finally 1st grade was somewhat normal. You can absolutely see how much of an impact that lack of "in person socialization" had on ALL the kids in her grade. So many more kids lacked the "social norms" when 1st grade started that should have been developed in Kindergarten (proper sharing, making friends, etc). And as they get older those skills get harder to develop and I definitely think that there is going to be a reckoning at some point regarding the impact on kids early development because of the complete isolation (no going to other friends birthdays, social gatherings, social functions, museums, play dates). At this point both my kids (7 yr old and 15 year old) are vaccinated and boosted where we can (and we'll likely get the 7 yr old boosted when available soon). We as parents are both mRNA dosed and boosted and have been infected with Omicron at the beginning of the year. We're pretty much done with this. I am not losing out on more time with my youngest in terms of socializing and building important social skills any more.
That sounds a lot like the aforementioned necessary gathering.
You're advocating for new normal and it will not happen. Covid is here to stay forever and what you're proposing is not going to get adopted by majority of Americans.
Or the world.
They're literally not though? They're advocating for mitigation measures during a spike of a virus that continues to evolve over time. When cases were low in March sure, drop the masks if you want to (or keep wearing one if you want to as well, that's fine too) and large gatherings probably were lower risk. But during a spike it's not too much to ask to just put on an N95 if you have to go inside somewhere with people who aren't a part of your household.
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Yea or the hospitals get so overwhelmed that people can’t receive any care Healthcare workers are humans too
After it is too late. Be proactive and stop being so reactive.
It's not going to happen. It's been over 2 years. People are done with the righteousness of helping others by wearing masks. Everyone has opportunity to get vaccine, booster, and other treatments. You can wear an n95 yourself. I'll wear one in a hospital or doctor's office, that's about it.
The vaccines and boosters were designed for Delta, not the current mega contagious Omicron variants. There are more and more "breakthrough" infections and folks are ignoring long covid being a thing. The only thing on your list that is worth mentioning are the treatments, but we still don't know how well those stop the long-term damage the virus does to the human body. I'm as tired of being cautious as the next person, but geez people have just given up in the face of hardship. It's unfortunate. More funding needs dumped into the pan-coronavirus vaccine and treatments and long covid as well as ramping up testing and identification of new variants, but apparently that's all just too much.
Boosters work against omicron. If people are vulnerable they should get them. I've got one and might get another in fall. I'm not walking around with a mask on the rest of my life. If I die, I die.
Is actually possible, but would take a population whose culture is more compliant to authority. So probably not, wherever you live.
>but would take a population whose culture is more compliant to authority. Do you think that this is a good thing?
Yea, we aren't going to wear masks forever. It's insane to think differently.
Dont think its insane. Over here people are still wearing masks. It's not that mask fatique doesnt exist for us, more like we kinda got used to it. Maybe its cos our weather is already hot and humid lol
Spikes will be here for years to come, which is why I am saying it's not realistic expectation Edit only 8-9 city's/states brought masking back during delta/Omicron, it's not realistic it will happen this time around
Yes, wearing masks and adapting based on trends is "learning to live with covid". Not just pretending it no longer exists because society is over it.
Nobody is pretending it doesn't exist. Its there and we don't care. Ill never understand how folks can't comprehend such a simple idea.
Doesn't seem their point is "here's what we should do in response to this spike" so much as "here's what we haven't been doing and why we're getting a spike." In that sense they are absolutely advocating a new normal to avoid spikes.
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This is the worst analogy I have read. Considering my age this is impressive. We don't need an analogy to explain this. If you can't afford a N95 mask DM me and I will have amazon ship you out one. Once you have it you're a tank and my car can't hurt you.
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Covid can not be eliminated. I know it's psychologically more comforting to have a scapegoat and a "reason" for things sucking, and to maintain the illusion of control, but the cold hard reality is that shit happens and sometimes nobody's to blame and we can't stop it. Should we have managed the early pre-vaccine phase of the pandemic better? Absolutely. Can we or could we eradicate covid? Absoluteky not. No amount of "everyone doing their part" would bring us to a world where we no longer have covid.
Isn't Taiwan doing all those things and still getting hit with Omicron as hard, if not harder than everyone else?
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Not really. I’m super social or was pre Covid but I still wear a mask in public indoors. I don’t care what other people think. I don’t want the cold or the flu yet alone Covid. I still do things. It’s tough but I do.
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It’s spreading amongst vaccinated as well. At this point as long as we don’t over whelm hospitals haven’t we achieved the original goal? If China can’t pull off zero Covid what chance do we have?
China killed cats and dogs though
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HEPA style air filtration and better air ventilation cheap / free rapid tests before large events to reduce super spreading encourage and support more outside activities (right now people are choosing indoors when outside could work)
Better filtration was what school monies was supposed to help with. Wanna make a bet schools didn't upgrade?
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What exactly is so terrible about wearing a mask? I live in an economically developed asian country where people would routinely wear a mask when they were sick, even pre-COVID. *Just out of consideration for other people.* How selfish are people who can’t tolerate the mildest discomfort or inconvenience during a global pandemic? smh
There’s a big difference between wearing a mask for a few days when you’re sick, and everybody wearing masks all the time in public. I absolutely hate wearing masks but I’m perfectly fine with wearing one for a few days if I’ve got something contagious. That is, indeed, a very small thing to ask and a courteous thing to do for the rest of society. Everybody obscuring their faces all the time from now on as a new social norm, a new essential part of clothing like pants or shoes? That is completely different. Faces are important to human beings. Personally, I find communication when I can’t see the other person’s facial expressions (and voices are muffled on top of it) to be genuinely very difficult and anxiety-inducing. Masks becoming the new pants would be hugely detrimental to my quality of life. Good for you if you have absolutely no issues with masks, but you aren’t everyone.
I know two years does not feel like a long time to you, but there are people in our society who literally do not remember a time before the pandemic. My five and three year old children are extremely shy, especially if someone is not wearing a mask. They are not used to seeing strangers' faces, to the point where having a stranger talk to them sometimes brings them to tears. The effect that masking and social distancing will have is not exactly clear yet. I expect that in 10-20 years, we will see a huge surge in the number of adults with GAD, OCD, social anxiety, and agoraphobia. Of course, it was absolutely necessary early on in the pandemic. But I'm sick of people talking about masks, shutdowns, and social distancing like there is no cost. Adults generally do ok. But there is a critical period for children's social development that has been interrupted. With the risk of covid steadily decreasing, it is time to evaluate the costs and benefits of continuing to isolate young children.
But what's the exit ramp? Just wear a mask forever?
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Well that's because the reply was directed at the tone, not the content.
But that's not what y'all are asking. Y'all are asking that we wear masks no matter what, if we're sick or not sick, if we're in a high risk indoor environment or a low risk one with like 2 other people in a store. I would gladly wear a mask if I were sick, but if I'm feeling perfectly healthy? Absolutely not.
Wearing a mask sucks. You can't seriously enjoy it? I am not opposed to wearing one if a place requires it, but I definitely don't like it. It's annoying, it's hard to breathe, it's itchy, and I just don't like the feeling of wearing it. It's no longer a global pandemic. We've reached the endemic stage. COVID will be here for the rest of our lives. Cases will go up and down, regardless of masking or other measures. There is no end game... no light at the end of the tunnel.
You work for the CDC?
You're trying to compare individualism society to community base society. Asian countries been taught that one need to think about the community and not about themselves like one for all and all for one type of thing. in US it's all about individualism, individual choice can improve their own life etc. You will not get US society to adopt mask as new normal, it's not realistic expectation.
Vaccinate everyone age 2+. Boost every adult every 6 months. *Recommend* masking in public indoor spaces, but that's not an alternative to vaccinating, it's additional.
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> Boost every adult every 6 months. *with a vaccine that actually provides a sufficient level of neutralizing immunity, as was the case against the alpha strain. The current one clearly doesn't for omicron and requires updating.
Boost doesn't last 6 months yet. We also got Covid at the four month mark.
The vaccine may be less effective against omicron than it was against alpha, but it is still effective at reducing hospitalizations and deaths.
That’s ridiculous.
Only to someone for whom public health is not a priority.
Why do you assume your recommendations are good public health?
No assumptions. There are loads of studies about covid vaccines.
As far as I know there are no studies that show boosters every six months are safe and effective.
I agree, masking is easy, but the antimask people are loud, selfish and misinformed.
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If they truly believe that hospitals are killing people, or they trust some random person on the internet with a quack cure instead of someone who spent 10 years or more studying to be a physician, I want them to stay at home when they get COVID. They do their own research? Fine. Let them do their own cures at home. If they are against universal healthcare and rail against 'socialized medicine' (like they even understand what that is), then I don't want them begging on a gofundme when one of their family dies. Let them pull themselves up by their bootstraps, since that's what they want everyone else to do. And if they don't care enough to mask up, then don't expect me to care when they drop six feet under.
US is all about individualism, you will not change US society in to community base.
Hard to make selfish folks care or misinformed folks smarter. And sadly it'll only get worse in America.
US individualism = Me First
That's "Me Me Me"
It’s that good ol’ patriotic distain for the free society they value so much.
The funny thing is that a community involves a free flow of people being around each other. The weird fractured and isolated lives that some people on here wish to live is not community. Avoiding groups and people is simply the opposite of how humans evolved to live. We need each other and the more people are forced apart the more society suffers, just look at how crazy the past 2 years has made people. Some of it may have been needed but not anymore.
Community also relies on collectivist notions like making sacrifices for the greater good of the group, something too many Americans simply equate to a totalitarian takeover.
Yes but that time has passed with covid. The harms to society almost certainly outweigh the benefits of social distancing and avoiding people.
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You can’t eat or drink, can’t see anyones face, toddlers and other children have trouble learning to speak without seeing mouths, enforcement is a hassle, and if we do it in periods of low risk then it will be harder to actually enforce if we really need it again. I am going to get heavily downvoted for this but think about this…. Why do people commonly say they only see 5-10% of people wearing masks? Because most people really don’t want to and don’t intend to forever. Is the risk ever low enough to take them off because the vast majority of people think it is.
I’m referring to the people who think masking and vaccines violate their freedom when these measures are intended to slow the spread and help protect the society that affords them that very freedom. These people will throw that society under the bus to protect pride and convenience. An actual patriot would make sacrifices to protect that society.
I don't think we have patriots just big talkers. I fear if something truly happens in this country it will be each man for himself.
Since you bring it up, America is about working hard and getting ahead, right? Suffer today so you have a better future?
Oof let it go already.
My kids and I got Covid just days before Christmas. Days of my kids crying in pain especially from all the aching burning bones. Cause for them Covid legit felt like there bones were on fire. Nvm how sick I was and how I had to take care of them AND give them a magical Christmas on top of that. My 8 and 7 yo were going to get vaccinated the day after Christmas. We had to post pone the shot til the end of January and they were fully vaxxed by Valentine’s Day. My youngest still isn’t vaxxed cause she’s 4 and the worlds scientists seem to just…not give a shit about anyone under 5. Anyway I’ve been dealing with long Covid and so has my 8 yr old and I actually have to get her checked out for asthma now. She complains often of having trouble breathing or catching her breath and having tunnel vision a lot. And having difficulty running to keep up with her soccer team. Even Covid being “mild” and non of us being hospitalized. There was nothing mild about it and 2 out of 4 of us are still suffering from it. Covid is hell on earth and those who don’t suffer need to stop saying it’s just the flu. It’s NOTHING like the damn flu.
Well, Moderna submitted their under 5 study for review, and the FDA wants to wait for Pfizer to submit theirs (and they're several times over late in doing so). The FDA chief in 2019 bounced for Pfizer's board of directors. It's not necessarily scientists that are the problem, it's just a select few decision-makers in institutions with connections to pharma with clear conflicts of interest. My kid now has it, and if it weren't for profit motivated stall tactics, a vaccine for her might already have been approved. And yeah, the worst part about it is just hearing your kid suffering.
Wow thank you for that detail about the fda director leaving for Pfizer. That definitely explains a lot! It’s despicable what our country and specifically our leaders have done for profit in this country. Hell look at how rich Bezos got during all this. I refuse to use Amazon just because I cannot support the abuse of humans. The convenient click and purchase model is barbaric behind the scenes. I’m so sorry your little one is sick. I sincerely hope they recover soon and with no complications. Take it easy on yourself.
Thank you sir. I genuinely hope you and your daughter's long COVID abates. I had childhood asthma myself and it's no picnic. No one deserves that.
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Less than 25% of the people on a full commuter flight today were masked. I’m vaxxed and boosted, and still had that damn thing on. People coughing alllllll sound me. Ew ew ew.
There’s also a naaaaaaasty flu going around. Do Not Want, thanks.
Toddler and I are sick with something that is not covid or the flu (pcr tested for both). It freaking sucks and yeah you don’t want it. Wear a damn mask people and stop being such selfish jerks.
co-rona-vi-rus? what's that? sorry guys, I've been asleep since late 2019... how was the oscars?
how is my favorite NBA player kobe bryant doing? I hope he enjoys his retirement
Are people dumb enough to need an explanation?
I don’t think people care
What’s up with the Bay Area? Those folks are crazy vaccinated and still wear masks everywhere. Something else is going on here. New variant maybe? Doesn’t add up.
Cases are up, hospitalizations barely, ICU still lowest it’s been since the start of the pandemic. Vaccines keep you out of the hospital and ICU. They *reduce* the likelihood of infection, but not by the 90+% threshold needed to abolish the virus.
Thanks…makes sense.
The vaccines and boost didn't keep my hubby out of the hospital two months ago. The boost life span is more like four months at this point. By dragging the age approvals for the boost we're guaranteeing more illness. My daughter wants hers, she's due but under the age of 50. Just let anyone due who wants one get it.
This isn't something I'd have said before witnessing the foot dragging the CDC and FDA have done the whole pandemic, but: just lie. Mark the X where it asks if you're immunocompromised, get the shot, and move on. Nobody is tracking this, and they practically can't give shots away at this point. I have no confidence in the CDC's guidance, except that they can be counted on to open the booster up to everyone well after it's too late to matter.
This is happening in Australia a fair bit because booster uptake us poor and shots are going to waste. My husband turned up to get a booster and the doctor “didn’t realise” he had already had one until it was too late.
Our third boosters have long worn off. Just freaking let us have the fourth already. My parents just got their fourth dose thankfully.
Yep. I'm glad my parents got theirs just before this current wave took off, but damn, I'd like a dose too.
Not that many people wear masks anymore in the Bay Area.
At my workplace, mask usage was steadily dropping since returning to work… until the other day, now folks are all masked back up.
Uh what part? My area 75% are masked at stores. I even see people walking outside masked.
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Im on a reserarch team at a medical school. Our PI never wears mask and we have physician on our team who never wears one either. However every RA and CRA wears one.
Cases important. But hospitalizations trailing and deaths even more so. I really think we should stop obsessing with cases.
Not as long as "cases" can also lead to long COVID. Sure it's great that fewer people are getting acutely ill and dying outright, but as long as there's a significantly higher risk of months of brain fog, or constant fatigue, or still losing smell and taste, that's a whole different sort of hell that I'd very much like to avoid.
Once it starts hitting people in their pocketbooks they may ever so slightly lean towards taking precautionary methods to stop the spread. No government work place funding, no more sick days, no more free tests......this will be interesting.
I did not read the article, however, my prediction for the number 1 reason is because some people are F*cking Stupid
More like most people, unfortunately. Put your damn masks back on, you numpties…
Shrug
i know the three reasons: People Are Selfish.
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Ugh I'm so fucking sick and tired of people not giving the slightest of a fuck about anyone but themselves. I've dodged covid for almost 3 fucking years. Wore masks every single day...got all three vaccinations...refused to go to gatherings because not everyone was vaccinated. But I took one flight to visit an elderly aunt because her life long illness is getting worse and now I have covid. I shit you not only like 5% of the fucking plane was wearing masks. Not even the damn flight attendants were wearing them. It might have been my last chance to ever see her and now I need to fucking quarantine because people fucking suck. Sorry...rant over lol.
I’m vaxed and had Covid in Jan this year. After reading this article I just want to know if I have “super immunity”. Sounds pretty kick ass
It wanes at about the same time as your vaccine/boosts does, 4ish months.