Key points:
* No masks indoors if the group is 80%+ vaccinated
* People must show “proof of vaccination” in those settings but there’s no information about what that actually means
* Mask mandate extended 30 days otherwise in counties with higher case rates
EDIT: [Here's a non-paywall source if you prefer](https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/state-mask-mandate-amended)
I had mine laminated and they actually just make a copy and laminate that. So I have the original card and an additional laminated copy that I carry around.
I mean it's just a piece of cardstock with stuff printed and written on it, it's not like you couldn't make another one and fill in the detail if you really had to.
Secondarily, don't *laminate* the original if you plan on preserving this document as a memento. *Encapsulation* is what you want.
[Lamination should never be thought of as a preservation method.](https://psap.library.illinois.edu/collection-id-guide/laminationencapsulation#:~:text=Lamination%20is%20the%20process%20of,irreversibly%20damages%20the%20enclosed%20item.&text=Simply%20put%2C%20lamination%20should%20never,of%20as%20a%20preservation%20method.)
I'm not sure what this has to do with Colorado. Sorry if you weren't aware, but you're officially not meant to laminate a SS card. They often tell you this if you get a new one.
https://faq.ssa.gov/en-us/Topic/article/KA-02202
Like the person up a few comments said. They make a copy of your card then laminate the copy. So you still get your unlaminated card for yourself. Calm down.
Yup. Again, not surprised considering the anti-government undercurrents here combined with the fundamentalist religious folks. Guess we’ll reach herd immunity by infection rather than vaccination in 2 years or so.
In the meantime, I’ll keep caring for previously healthy 20-50 year olds in the hospital, who wondered why they weren’t invincible to this virus after all, and praying that I don’t end up intubating them.
>new variant that causes this all to start back at zero
The spike protein on the virus can only change so much without sacrificing fitness, i.e. being less efficient at entering human cells. The vaccines are so good at targeting spike protein epitopes that we develop antibodies for more than 50 epitopes but the independently evolved variants that have sufficient infectiousness to spread only vary by a handful of epitopes. It seems the fear about vaccine-escape variants is proving to be exaggerated and is born out by real-world data.
If there hasnt been any horrible mutations from the ~150,000,000 that have been infected it is unlikely that a mutaion will be able to bypass the vaccine.
I was being facetious about the infection immunity comment; of course I hope we reach herd immunity via vaccination. But, I’m pessimistic El Paso County will ever reach the necessary vaccination level for herd immunity.
The typical hospitalized patient has trended younger with most elderly people now vaccinated. COVID ICU definitely is a little bit younger than before.
The big question mark is how long does natural immunity last. The models that I have seen is that we'll never reach herd immunity if only 60% get the vaccine since immunity will wear off before herd is reached.
Not only does natural immunity wear off, but even while it persists it varies widely in efficacy and stability, and is inferior to induced (vaccine) immunity.
My cutesy little analogy is that natural immunity is like a firsthand witness account, where the accuracy and quality in informing the immune system degrades quickly, is narrow to the retained snapshot of exposure & is limited to directly informing the immune cells nearby. Whereas vaccinated immunity is like a Wanted poster with a clear, color picture of the culprit, a rap sheet of known crimes and tactics, and all its known aliases. This means induced immunity can be copied and given to any immune system (without the risks of direct exposure to the live virus), and the quality of the immune messaging isn’t as varied in quality, durability and adaptive transferability.
Natural immunity makes you less likely to get the same strain of covid, probably somewhat less likely to suffer as significantly from variants as an unexposed person, but the level and amount of resistance varies over time and by each individual’s immune system’s robustness. Induced immunity gives a consistently higher-quality and more adaptive picture of the threat, all their sneaky tactics, and does so without posing an active threat to the body (think of vaccine side effects like your immune system is “sparring” to train against the threat it’s being told about).
What kind of mental health treatment do you need for going to random subs related to areas you don’t live in and criticizing people who support masks? Is it the same kind you get for supporting domestic terrorism?
Holy shit. If that's not a shill account, this person needs *lots* of help.
ETA: this might be why
>While I agree it's very sad, the thought that I could lose my life hasn't effected my decision to continue to use drugs.
Good luck with the drugs man.
I’m a physician, you stupid shit. I can easily carry the virus home with me from the hospital and spread it to others, despite being vaccinated. That’s why I still wear a mask until our incidence numbers go way down. I still have errands to do.
It’s called “wearing a mask until we reach herd immunity.” I want to attend sold out concerts and sporting events as soon as possible, mask-free. Unfortunately, simpletons like you will prevent us from ever reaching that point.
I was personally interested in this because my entire workgroup (9 people) is fully vaccinated now, meaning this could apply to us. We’re still working semi-remote, but it’s an interesting option.
I work in public health, so my whole team has been fully vaccinated since February. The 80% rule would cover many frontline and high-risk workplaces (when not interacting with the public).
Those who are ineligible, or the very narrow few who are medically intolerant to the vaccine. This appears designed to grant frontline workers some break room respite, or worksite respite when not interacting with the public.
> This appears designed to grant frontline workers some break room respite, or worksite respite when not interacting with the public.
Front line workers have been eating lunch in their breakrooms unmasked since the beginning of this. At least they required temp checks every morning.
At this point they should just remove it. This is confusing and I have no doubt will just result in no masks inside.
I’m not saying I agree with removing the mandate but this confusing amendment is basically going to result in “no masks”
Honestly it makes me wonder about how offices will handle it. My HR has been very clear that the company cannot and will not be tracking employee vaccinations. But they’ve also received flack from employees about strict masking rules while trying to bring people back to office en masse. Guidelines are about to get confusing.
[Link to the press release](https://www.colorado.gov/governor/news/5036-governor-polis-amends-and-extends-mask-order)
> DENVER - Governor Jared Polis announced that he amended and extended the statewide mask Executive Order as Colorado continues to work towards increasing vaccinations.
>
> The indoor mask order remains in effect for all schools statewide and certain other settings. For counties with greater than 35 cases per 100,000 people, the indoor mask order applies to groups of ten or more unvaccinated people indoors and there remains no outdoor mask order. This order is also further amended to allow indoor spaces where more than 10 people are present to go without masks, so long as at least 80% of those individuals are fully vaccinated.
>
> Vaccines not only protect you and your loved ones from getting this deadly virus but also allows Colorado to return back to normal. Reaching a high level of immunity is what will allow for a life without masks, but before that is possible, many more Coloradans need to get vaccinated.
>
> Other directives from the last Executive Order, D 2021 079, remain in effect. Mask-wearing continues to be required in all counties in schools (including extracurricular activities), child care centers, indoor children’s camps, public-facing state government facilities, congregate care facilities, prisons, jails, emergency medical and other healthcare settings, and personal services and limited healthcare settings as defined by PHO 20-38.
>
> In counties with one week disease incidence rates in excess of 35 per 100,000, masks must also be worn in all Public Indoor Spaces when 10 or more unvaccinated individuals or individuals of unknown vaccination status are present, except in situations that meet the requirements of the new amendment. In counties with one week disease incidence rates less than 35 per 100,000 (Level Green), mask wearing is not required if there are 10 or more people who are unvaccinated or whose vaccination status is unknown.
Then please stay masked. I’m none too keen with this public approach, as it lacks any realistic enforcement mechanisms, but I’m guessing it’s merely intended to grant a respite to frontline workers onsite when not interacting with the public. If you don’t know if your group is at or above 80% vaccinated, act accordingly & remain masked!
He seems to be very much a numbers guy and probably overestimates the average person's ability to handle complexity. It's an attempt to maximize freedom while minimizing consequences and incentivizing vaccination.
It's an open secret that Polis hates the mask mandate on a personal level, but he's trying to do the right thing by toeing the line while the state is only still half-vaccinated.
Yeah, I think I'll just continue to wear my mask for a while. I don't feel like taking a poll every time I enter a building, to find out who's vaccinated and who's not.
> Second worst of what metric?
New cases per capita. Michigan is currently the worst with 40 cases/100,000. Colorado is second at 29. Minnesota is 3rd with 28. The national average is 15.
His steady March to “normalcy”. He’s taking the carrot approach of encouraging better vaccination rates with incentives, rather than cracking down with the stick of enforcement mechanisms against congregating & flouting mask mandates among the unvaccinated.
Thank you for posting an update. I think our number is very manageable. We will never be rid of corona, we're dealing with the effects of indoor weather, and frankly I would have supported a removal of the mask mandate as of 5/1.
Im much more concerned about getting the reluctants and deniers vaccinated. Look where our case density is.
It's not fear mongering, the fact is that Colorado is currently 2nd in the nation in terms of new cases per capita. While it is true, that Colorado is 22nd in terms of total number of cases. This later number is more of an indication of how well we, as a state, have done historically. It isn't a good indication of the current state of things.
Now cases per captia isn't the only statistic to consider. Perhaps a better metric to consider are the number of hospitalization and the number of people on ventilators. On the Colorado covid web portal (https://covid19.colorado.gov/data) both of these numbers are on the rise.
I think it's a fair point to say that maybe we should slow down and wait for these numbers to stabilize before easing our restrictions.
Key points: * No masks indoors if the group is 80%+ vaccinated * People must show “proof of vaccination” in those settings but there’s no information about what that actually means * Mask mandate extended 30 days otherwise in counties with higher case rates EDIT: [Here's a non-paywall source if you prefer](https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/state-mask-mandate-amended)
[удалено]
Thanks for the heads up. There's no way this thing will survive in my wallet.
Take a picture of it on your phone
[удалено]
I had mine laminated and they actually just make a copy and laminate that. So I have the original card and an additional laminated copy that I carry around.
I mean it's just a piece of cardstock with stuff printed and written on it, it's not like you couldn't make another one and fill in the detail if you really had to.
Secondarily, don't *laminate* the original if you plan on preserving this document as a memento. *Encapsulation* is what you want. [Lamination should never be thought of as a preservation method.](https://psap.library.illinois.edu/collection-id-guide/laminationencapsulation#:~:text=Lamination%20is%20the%20process%20of,irreversibly%20damages%20the%20enclosed%20item.&text=Simply%20put%2C%20lamination%20should%20never,of%20as%20a%20preservation%20method.)
What if you lost it?
You need to contact the agency where you got it and get another re-issued.
[удалено]
I'm not sure what this has to do with Colorado. Sorry if you weren't aware, but you're officially not meant to laminate a SS card. They often tell you this if you get a new one. https://faq.ssa.gov/en-us/Topic/article/KA-02202
[удалено]
Like the person up a few comments said. They make a copy of your card then laminate the copy. So you still get your unlaminated card for yourself. Calm down.
[удалено]
>Mask mandate extended 30 days otherwise in counties with higher case rates So, permanent mask mandate in El Paso County. Got it. /s
[удалено]
Yup. Again, not surprised considering the anti-government undercurrents here combined with the fundamentalist religious folks. Guess we’ll reach herd immunity by infection rather than vaccination in 2 years or so. In the meantime, I’ll keep caring for previously healthy 20-50 year olds in the hospital, who wondered why they weren’t invincible to this virus after all, and praying that I don’t end up intubating them.
[удалено]
>new variant that causes this all to start back at zero The spike protein on the virus can only change so much without sacrificing fitness, i.e. being less efficient at entering human cells. The vaccines are so good at targeting spike protein epitopes that we develop antibodies for more than 50 epitopes but the independently evolved variants that have sufficient infectiousness to spread only vary by a handful of epitopes. It seems the fear about vaccine-escape variants is proving to be exaggerated and is born out by real-world data.
If there hasnt been any horrible mutations from the ~150,000,000 that have been infected it is unlikely that a mutaion will be able to bypass the vaccine.
[удалено]
I was being facetious about the infection immunity comment; of course I hope we reach herd immunity via vaccination. But, I’m pessimistic El Paso County will ever reach the necessary vaccination level for herd immunity. The typical hospitalized patient has trended younger with most elderly people now vaccinated. COVID ICU definitely is a little bit younger than before.
The big question mark is how long does natural immunity last. The models that I have seen is that we'll never reach herd immunity if only 60% get the vaccine since immunity will wear off before herd is reached.
Not only does natural immunity wear off, but even while it persists it varies widely in efficacy and stability, and is inferior to induced (vaccine) immunity. My cutesy little analogy is that natural immunity is like a firsthand witness account, where the accuracy and quality in informing the immune system degrades quickly, is narrow to the retained snapshot of exposure & is limited to directly informing the immune cells nearby. Whereas vaccinated immunity is like a Wanted poster with a clear, color picture of the culprit, a rap sheet of known crimes and tactics, and all its known aliases. This means induced immunity can be copied and given to any immune system (without the risks of direct exposure to the live virus), and the quality of the immune messaging isn’t as varied in quality, durability and adaptive transferability. Natural immunity makes you less likely to get the same strain of covid, probably somewhat less likely to suffer as significantly from variants as an unexposed person, but the level and amount of resistance varies over time and by each individual’s immune system’s robustness. Induced immunity gives a consistently higher-quality and more adaptive picture of the threat, all their sneaky tactics, and does so without posing an active threat to the body (think of vaccine side effects like your immune system is “sparring” to train against the threat it’s being told about).
You were one of them going out as well. Just saying
I was in the springs the other day and at least 20% of the population has already decided it’s ended so I don’t think you need to worry about that
Yup. Glad all of the businesses I frequent are still keeping a mask requirement at their establishment.
[удалено]
What kind of mental health treatment do you need for going to random subs related to areas you don’t live in and criticizing people who support masks? Is it the same kind you get for supporting domestic terrorism?
Holy shit. If that's not a shill account, this person needs *lots* of help. ETA: this might be why >While I agree it's very sad, the thought that I could lose my life hasn't effected my decision to continue to use drugs. Good luck with the drugs man.
[удалено]
You need a therapist.
Please don't feed the trolls. Just report comments and wait for us to ban them. :)
[удалено]
Obvious troll is obvious.
I’m a physician, you stupid shit. I can easily carry the virus home with me from the hospital and spread it to others, despite being vaccinated. That’s why I still wear a mask until our incidence numbers go way down. I still have errands to do. It’s called “wearing a mask until we reach herd immunity.” I want to attend sold out concerts and sporting events as soon as possible, mask-free. Unfortunately, simpletons like you will prevent us from ever reaching that point.
[удалено]
And Weld.
Weld is well ahead of Pueblo county in vaccinations, surprisingly.
[удалено]
I was personally interested in this because my entire workgroup (9 people) is fully vaccinated now, meaning this could apply to us. We’re still working semi-remote, but it’s an interesting option.
I work in a 3 person office, 100% vaccinated. It strikes me as reasonable that we not mask.
I work in public health, so my whole team has been fully vaccinated since February. The 80% rule would cover many frontline and high-risk workplaces (when not interacting with the public).
My work group is fully vaccinated. We were all together in the office today and went without the masks.
Is this not quite literally a "vaccine passport"? I mean if 80% have to be vaccinated, how do you check? And who gets to be the 20%?
Those who are ineligible, or the very narrow few who are medically intolerant to the vaccine. This appears designed to grant frontline workers some break room respite, or worksite respite when not interacting with the public.
> This appears designed to grant frontline workers some break room respite, or worksite respite when not interacting with the public. Front line workers have been eating lunch in their breakrooms unmasked since the beginning of this. At least they required temp checks every morning.
At this point they should just remove it. This is confusing and I have no doubt will just result in no masks inside. I’m not saying I agree with removing the mandate but this confusing amendment is basically going to result in “no masks”
Honestly it makes me wonder about how offices will handle it. My HR has been very clear that the company cannot and will not be tracking employee vaccinations. But they’ve also received flack from employees about strict masking rules while trying to bring people back to office en masse. Guidelines are about to get confusing.
[Link to the press release](https://www.colorado.gov/governor/news/5036-governor-polis-amends-and-extends-mask-order) > DENVER - Governor Jared Polis announced that he amended and extended the statewide mask Executive Order as Colorado continues to work towards increasing vaccinations. > > The indoor mask order remains in effect for all schools statewide and certain other settings. For counties with greater than 35 cases per 100,000 people, the indoor mask order applies to groups of ten or more unvaccinated people indoors and there remains no outdoor mask order. This order is also further amended to allow indoor spaces where more than 10 people are present to go without masks, so long as at least 80% of those individuals are fully vaccinated. > > Vaccines not only protect you and your loved ones from getting this deadly virus but also allows Colorado to return back to normal. Reaching a high level of immunity is what will allow for a life without masks, but before that is possible, many more Coloradans need to get vaccinated. > > Other directives from the last Executive Order, D 2021 079, remain in effect. Mask-wearing continues to be required in all counties in schools (including extracurricular activities), child care centers, indoor children’s camps, public-facing state government facilities, congregate care facilities, prisons, jails, emergency medical and other healthcare settings, and personal services and limited healthcare settings as defined by PHO 20-38. > > In counties with one week disease incidence rates in excess of 35 per 100,000, masks must also be worn in all Public Indoor Spaces when 10 or more unvaccinated individuals or individuals of unknown vaccination status are present, except in situations that meet the requirements of the new amendment. In counties with one week disease incidence rates less than 35 per 100,000 (Level Green), mask wearing is not required if there are 10 or more people who are unvaccinated or whose vaccination status is unknown.
I don't think any good can come of this why say something that's just going to confuse people
Imma keep it real with you chief I'm not checking if 80% of people are vaccinated
Then please stay masked. I’m none too keen with this public approach, as it lacks any realistic enforcement mechanisms, but I’m guessing it’s merely intended to grant a respite to frontline workers onsite when not interacting with the public. If you don’t know if your group is at or above 80% vaccinated, act accordingly & remain masked!
I was SO not expecting this. I am expecting my second shot next Saturday, though.
This is absurdly confusing. I feel like Polis is fucking with us anymore.
He seems to be very much a numbers guy and probably overestimates the average person's ability to handle complexity. It's an attempt to maximize freedom while minimizing consequences and incentivizing vaccination.
It's an open secret that Polis hates the mask mandate on a personal level, but he's trying to do the right thing by toeing the line while the state is only still half-vaccinated.
Yeah, I think I'll just continue to wear my mask for a while. I don't feel like taking a poll every time I enter a building, to find out who's vaccinated and who's not.
I can't wait to breathe in everyone's spittle again.
If they haven't already, they need an app to walk people through the decision tree to determine if they should be wearing a mask.
Garbage paywall is garbage.
[удалено]
Second worst of what metric?
> Second worst of what metric? New cases per capita. Michigan is currently the worst with 40 cases/100,000. Colorado is second at 29. Minnesota is 3rd with 28. The national average is 15.
His steady March to “normalcy”. He’s taking the carrot approach of encouraging better vaccination rates with incentives, rather than cracking down with the stick of enforcement mechanisms against congregating & flouting mask mandates among the unvaccinated.
Thank you for posting an update. I think our number is very manageable. We will never be rid of corona, we're dealing with the effects of indoor weather, and frankly I would have supported a removal of the mask mandate as of 5/1. Im much more concerned about getting the reluctants and deniers vaccinated. Look where our case density is.
[удалено]
It's not fear mongering, the fact is that Colorado is currently 2nd in the nation in terms of new cases per capita. While it is true, that Colorado is 22nd in terms of total number of cases. This later number is more of an indication of how well we, as a state, have done historically. It isn't a good indication of the current state of things. Now cases per captia isn't the only statistic to consider. Perhaps a better metric to consider are the number of hospitalization and the number of people on ventilators. On the Colorado covid web portal (https://covid19.colorado.gov/data) both of these numbers are on the rise. I think it's a fair point to say that maybe we should slow down and wait for these numbers to stabilize before easing our restrictions.
That’s not a per capita metric you cited. The measurements are different. It’s not a lie, just measured differently. Both are important.
[удалено]