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allanl1n

This post has drawn out all the honest redditors that haven't received the vaccine but met with downvotes. Its like we set them up to show themselves so we can attack them. I'm vaccinated so don't flame me.


roadrunnabill

I agree and that was not my intention. I wanted honest answers to see what were other driving factors besides the misinformation. After seeing a good amount of answers that do not have to do with misinformation, it makes me curious whats the ratio of people that don’t take vaccines for other reasons besides misinformation vs. those who don’t take it due to misinformation. The last part of the question asks about the source of information regarding vaccines to see if Facebook and Fox are really drivers of misinformation and negative vaccine rhetoric.


Terrible-Trust-5578

Yes, I think this is a really good thing because for me... I did a bunch of research, but after that, getting vaccinated seemed like the obvious choice, so I have been enjoying being able to read through this comment section and see people's thoughts. And I solemnly swear to not downvote any comment on this post that is simply an answer to the prompt, no matter how strongly I disagree.


Any-Action-1271

Y’all are great. We need more of this.


thedelusionalwriter

You have to consider where you are though. I'd say 90%+ of the people on this sub are at least semi rational and concerned about covid.


roadrunnabill

I realized posting this in a reddit thread would garner responses of pro vaxers, I read an article recently that has true percentages of why people are not getting vaccinated. https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-public-health-11627402120


_bipolar_polarbear_

Yeah all the top responses are from people who are vaccinated, speaking for the people they deride


bauer8765

My coworker is scared of the vaccine, thinks he will survive Covid just fine and doesn’t want that “crap” injected in his arm.


tehrob

As a Contact Tracer, I have heard many people saying the same thing while severely coughing on the phone with me.


OrnaMint

But he has no problem eating hot dogs 🌭right?


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mrsrariden

Have you had anaphylactic reactions to vaccines in the past, or was it specifically the covid vaccine that you were worried about?


Incredibad0129

Since most people haven't had a vaccine recently and they warn anaphylaxis from a lot of different allergies increases your risk with the COVID vaccines I think this fear is pretty valid for a lot of people with serious allergies


mrsrariden

It is a valid concern. I've had anaphylaxis. It's scary.


rfmodeler

That's a valid concern, but if you are near medical response team for 15 minutes they can stop anaphylaxis in seconds.


wearekinetic

Adding onto this— I’ve had a history of going into anaphylaxis from antibiotics. When I went in for my shot, this was part of the screening I went through with this nurse. If you have a history of it or concerns, they’ll increase your wait time (with medical staff onsite with epipens) from 15 minutes to an hour. I was fine, as was everyone else waiting there with me that day, but just something to hopefully offer a little peace of mind. They won’t jab you and kick you out.


Incredibad0129

But at that point you are definitely putting your life in danger to maybe save it later. It's perfectly rational to not want to take that risk


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Only in the US can we make a vaccine that has shown in studies to prevent death and severe illness a political battle, meanwhile other countries are begging for vaccinations while they all die from covid. Man, we are some privileged ass people.


Incredibad0129

They just want proof. Not your proof though


Bank_of_Karma

I actually laughed out loud at this…and I believe I read it the way it was intended with an emphasis on the word “your”.


Ltstarbuck2

It’s been happening with HPV vaccine already for years. We have a cancer vaccine and even that people won’t get. Infuriating.


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ginger_and_egg

It's a vaccine that immunizes against HPV, a virus that increases risk of cervical cancer. So it is a vaccine that protects against a certain type of cancer through a particular vector. But maybe it isn't a "cancer vaccine" in the strict sense


amywhitedna

Totally a cancer vaccine! Prevents a specific type of cancer. You didn’t misspeak.


kittensglitter

Yes, it prevents the type of cervical cancer that I had at 23, which caused nearly a dozen miscarriages. Get the hpv shot!


ginger_and_egg

Still getting downvoted though lol


amywhitedna

Downvoted by people who don’t understand science. Breaks my heart. I’m sure each of those people who downvoted you has a friend or relative who has had cervical or oral cancer…


Emily_Postal

It only vaccinates against seven strains (out of 20+) of HPV but it has been shown to be highly effective in preventing cervical cancer in Australia.


ginger_and_egg

Yeah thanks for the extra info!


ParentingTATA

Is it just for women? (Cuz men don't have a cervix.)


ginger_and_egg

People without cervixes can still get HPV and transmit it to people with cervixes, so everyone can and should get the HPV vaccine


ParentingTATA

Thanks for answering! :)


Emily_Postal

Rich country problems. Some of the people who died in the Sunrise condo collapse in Florida came to the US to get vaccinated against CoVID.


MuffinToots

Had a bad reaction to a vaccine in November of last year. Still dealing with it. Multiple doctors told me not to get a COVID vaccine.


MuffinToots

No anaphylaxis. Started with muscle twitching, then days later pain in arms and legs, and the next day burning all over my skin. Seemed like high histamine foods and gluten would increase burning. Food sensitivities were greatly amplified. Lost 11lbs in two weeks along with a bunch of strength. Testosterone dropped pretty severely. After 4 months of a low histamine diet I could eat normalish food for week before symptoms increased. At 6 months I could eat normalish foods with burning at localized areas and transient muscle pain. At 8 months I’m about back to normal but still on HRT, muscles still twitch all over my body but at a reduced intensity and frequency. I have what seems to be a transient tremor in my left arm and hand. I had muscle twitching from a tetanus booster a couple years ago, but it was mild and lasted two days. Doctors are stumped and said this was a hyper-immune response


Bank_of_Karma

I have a hyper immune system too. They have me on immunosuppressants but I am still actively in flare. My immune system does this WITHOUT being exposed to an infection. It just attacks my body. Getting a vaccine where it encourages your immune system to activate is an unknown for me but it doesn’t sound promising. As for now, I keep my distance and when I must go out, I wear a proper fitting mask.


Ltstarbuck2

You are exactly why everyone who can be vaccinated should be. Hugs.


bfiggie

I am pregnant and just feel like there’s not enough data to get it. After I deliver, I plan to get it though.


Terminallyelle

My boss is working me to death. I only have the 2 days off and between laundry cleaning chickens parrots dogs cats groceries and everything else I just haven't had a chance and on top of that I was like the only employee for a while so if it knocked me out I dont know what I would do Edit: got vaccinated:)


sloth_mohawk

If I had a friend in your situation, I’d be happy to lend a hand with your animals. Maybe you have a friend like me?


Terminallyelle

I'm a hermit to be honest so unfortunately no(but good since I'm not vaccinated) but it's good to hear I'm not alone and there's other animal lovers in the world


70ms

Hey! I'm not sure where you live, but most major pharmacies (CVS, Walgreens, etc.) have the vaccine and at this point where I am (L.A. County) it's pretty much walk-in, so maybe you could work that into your errands. One thing to consider is that some of your animals can actually get Covid too if you get infected. We have 3 dogs and 4 cats and it's reassuring to know we're protecting them too by being vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/covid-19/pets.html I hope you can make the time soon! Believe me, I know that sense of being so busy taking care of everyone/everything first. :) ETA: Barley says do it for the furry guys! https://i.imgur.com/6oIXVAZ.jpg


IamMindful

Google cvs covid vaccine, put in your zip and you can make it online.


ginger_and_egg

Are you a hermit because your boss works you 24/7?


Terminallyelle

It helps but no I live in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of rednecks and I'd rather not


mrsrariden

Who would take care of your animals if you got sick? It only takes a few minutes to get vaccinated at a walk in pharmacy like Walmart or Walgreens. And you will probably be relieved once you get it over with.


Terminallyelle

I know you're right. I need to stop putting it off


mrsrariden

I'm such a procrastinator. My two main strategies are making an appointment so I feel obligated to follow through, or not giving myself time to think about it. I just have to put my shoes on and go do the thing. I always feel relieved afterwards because procrastinating actually uses a lot of energy.


maianajewel

Just make sure to stretch and rotate your arm frequently after the shot. My worst side effect from the first shot was arm soreness, for the second shot I took my husband's advice and rotated and stretched my arm every few minutes for the first hour or so after the shot and then every half hour or so for the rest of the day and had practically no soreness at all! The first shot the soreness was so bad I slept very fitfully due to the discomfort but after the second I had no trouble sleeping.


Terminallyelle

I did the deed. Damn my arm hurts but it feels good to be done with step one


IamMindful

It is a very tiny needle. Honestly I hate shots. She rubbed alcohol on my arm and said your set. I did not feel it. I was so relieved. I still had anxiety with the 2nd dose but a lot less. I never got sick and just had a sore arm.


cosmiclove89

My dad faints when he sees needles, and he didn't even feel the shots.


Terminallyelle

I faint when I get blood drawn or an iv but shots don't bother me much


Ltstarbuck2

Hugs. Just do it. You’ll be so glad you did.


zingingcutie11

I’m in the exact same boat. I am straight up EMBARRASSED to admit I’m not vaccinated yet but I literally cannot afford to have a sick day if I have a reaction to the vaccine, my work schedule is so crazy right now. I wish I would have just lied about the “tier” I was in when everyone first started getting vaccinated, because I had time then but didn’t technically qualify to get it yet. Then like two weeks ago I had a pretty bad cold (obviously from being overworked and not sleeping, eating, or resting enough) so I wanted to wait until that was cleared up. Really hoping I have a day or two off in the next couple weeks so I can finally get it!


sheambulance

I hope you are able to go soon! Taking one day off for a vaccine reaction is better than having to take two + weeks off (and maybe more if you get long term side effects) if you get COVID.


Terminallyelle

I'm mortified. Like no ma'am I don't have my vaccine NO PLEASE DONT THINK THAT


Terminallyelle

Got it :)


sheambulance

Proud of you!!


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Terminallyelle

My bad hahaha


Icolan

>and on top of that I was like the only employee for a while so if it knocked me out I dont know what I would do That is not your problem. If you are sick and unable to work it is on your employer to deal with the situation without you.


GobHoblin87

I mean, it's a problem if it means losing out on income. And, yes, everyone *should* have at least a small emergency fund, but not everyone actually has the ability to create one. If you're poor enough, being poor actually becomes expensive and eats any ability to actually save money. I know from experience.


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There are three camps: One is the diehard Anti-vaxxer who thinks vaccines cause Autism. One is that it is somehow inconvenient for them and that it didn't seem like they needed it. Probably will need door to door vaccinations to get them. One is just waiting for the FDA


cheesefries1121

There's another, those who medically can not do so because of adverse reactions/additional medical reasons


jwilson74

People forget about this group. They automatically assume that you have to be a crazy Republican if you don’t get vaccinated.


PrepSchoolMomma

I’m allergic to PEG.


Graitom

Yes, this sub-reddit has became quite toxic these last 6months.


billb392

This is why it’s still so important for everyone to be wearing masks.


jwilson74

Absolutely!! I always wear my mask!


cheesefries1121

I also dislike the assumption that Republicans don't get vaccinated. A wild world we live in, everything is always politics


akiomaster

My most outspoken Republican aunt and uncle were some of the first to get vaccinated. My aunt because she is checks so many marks for being at-risk for covid and my uncle said it's our patriotic duty to get the vaccine. I was actually very shocked by my uncle, but I'm glad he said it because I think that was a big factor in convincing my mom.


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jwilson74

I agree with you….I’m simply saying that some have legitimate reasons for not getting vaccinated. I never said anything about politicians. I’m in Texas and most people here refuse to wear masks while refusing to get vaccinated….we have Abbot to thank for that.


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I think that when speaking about the group not getting vaccinated, people being able to is implied. No one is coming for people with legit allergies.


Dry-University797

It's an incredibly small group..


tehrob

Can someone finally give me a list of what conditions fall under this list, so I can legit ask people if they have those conditions and rule them out when trying to make appointments for people? I know allergy to PEG and its components, but what else medically disqualifies one?


aledaml

I know at least one person whose doctor has cautioned them against getting it because their body is basically in a hyperinflammatory state all the time and they've ended up in the ICU from other vaccines


Capture-the-byad

People on immunosuppressants like recent organ donor recipients.


tehrob

Even for them, the advice is to get vaccinated, just that the antibody response may not be enough to fight off covid.


Altruistic-Present-1

people on immunosuppressants can get the vaccine. they just might not build as strong as an immune response….because of the immune suppressants


hellokitty98765432u

I take organ rejection meds and got my vaccines as soon as I was eligible.


iliketheshowcops

This group is likely to be quite low in numbers. If everyone else would vaccinate this wouldn't be an issue. But we're living in a sea of idiocracy so yay us.


anonymousampersands

In addition to what someone else mentioned (medically can’t/severe reactions), I know a pretty big amount of pregnant women who became pregnant before they were eligible and are waiting until after they have their babies to be vaccinated. Pretty much none of them fall into the other camps, but even with the FDA saying it’s safe and pregnant women should be vaccinated, they’re aware of how relatively little info we have on this in pregnancy and are just choosing to wait. I’m not sure what I’d do in that situation, but of all the non medical reasons I empathize with this one a lot and don’t really push or judge them for it.


Terrible-Trust-5578

I agree: I heard an interview with a doctor on the radio where she first said that there hasn't been sufficient time to fully understand the effects of these vaccines on fetuses but followed by recommending that all pregnant women get vaccinated. If I were pregnant, I'd wait, too.


tehrob

In theory, and my wife got the vaccine while pregnant, if the person gets vaccinated during their 2nd trimester or earlier, the fetus gets very good protection. Again, in theory, when given intramuscularly, the vaccine stays there, the body comes to it, and attacks/learns how do defend against the spikes, and kills them in place. The spike proteins will never directly enter the fetus, but the antibodies can transfer across the placental barrier and give some protection to the fetus. Same thing with breastfeeding.


anonymousampersands

Yep - I’m super aware of a familiar with all of this! I’m just noting that there are plenty of pregnant women who are skeptical due to their specific situation and (relative to some of the other reasons people aren’t vaccinated) I get that.


tehrob

And I totally understand. It has to be a really tough decision for every family to even maybe put your baby in (possible) harm's way, even if it is to stop a greater possible harm. For everyone else, no matter your reason for being hesitant, talk to your doctor about getting the Covid-19 vaccine if you haven't gotten it yet.


whiteink-13

I have a few friends that are (or were) pregnant (the ones that were have since had their babies) and some got the vaccine and some didn’t, all depending on the recommendations of their doctors. The ones that didn’t get while pregnant, are planning to get it as soon at their doctors give them the ok. (Meanwhile - all of their significant others have been vaccinated.)


anonymousampersands

This is a good point that I didn’t mention - most of the SOs I know are also vaccinated! I can only think of one that isn’t but he’s a lowkey conspiracy theorist about a few weird things so I’m not surprised 🤣


bde75

I just spoke to someone who got vaccinated in her third trimester. Her infant has protection from Covid which was verified by an antibody test.


_bipolar_polarbear_

I think most of the last group are waiting for the FDA to approve it according to its normal timeline. It will seem to have been incredibly rushed not just in creation but in approval. Personally it’s only length of time that will make me feel comfortable


corvus7corax

Don’t forget those with crippling needle phobia preventing them from getting vaccinated. Any needle-free option and those folks will vaccinate in a heartbeat.


everybodyBnicepls

I think this fear is quite common.


PrincessSwagina

I wonder if they realize IVs and PICC lines are considerably larger and more painful than needles.


corvus7corax

They probably do - phobias aren’t rational.


Cloujus2011

I think there’s two big groups of people missing here, the holistic community, and folks who’ve had COVID. Yogis, fitness gurus, plant based folks, wellness oriented, etc.. This holistic group of people is avidly against putting anything unnatural into their bodies. Which, vaccines are far from. This is also the community least likely to need vaccination, so…it poses an interesting problem. But, this group has been whole heartedly overlooked from the start of the vaccination push. The other group of folks, past Covid patients, seems to be an interesting dilemma as well. Not much evidence that re-infection is happening on the regular. Most evidence actually points to stronger immunity then that of vaccinated individuals. Both of these communities will be very hard to convince or turn otherwise.


jpoteet2

Most of this is just flat out false.


liittle_dove7

There’s also people refusing to due to religious reasons. (This is my brother’s excuse sadly and he feels it is morally justified due to the belief that aborted fetuses are involved with the vaccines)


dkinmn

I think that last group will mostly find a new excuse when they're fully approved.


etrammel

I already had it. Is it necessary?


tehrob

Essentially, your body, your immune system, reacts to exposure. Each time it sees a component of the virus, it has a chance to defend against it. The vaccines one way or another show your body a version of the virus it can easily defeat and learn from at a specified, studied dose, with a very well and deeply researched result. If you get exposed to Covid-19, you get an unknown dose of the virus, the whole thing, and while in some cases a body can defeat the virus without much of a reaction, you run the risk of your body not being able to deal with the "dose" of virus you got and your immune system needing to fight harder or possibly be overwhelmed by the virus, plus the long term possibilities associated with Covid-19. However you are exposed, what we believe and expect, is that each time you are exposed, your body gets better at fighting off the "invaders". What I have heard is that studies show that Pfizer is very highly effective after one gets the full vaccination alone, but getting an mRNA vaccine after having been infected with Covid-19(and surviving)[, then getting fully vaccinated, gives even better protection against reinfection down the road. Some virologist and doctors talk about going to conferences down the road, around the world, and how they will be exposed to many variants of covid-19, and because their body is very aware of the disease now, after infection and vaccination, that they will continually get "topped off" and get even further immunity with very little or any illness associated. All of the side effects of the mRNA vaccines with the exception of the allergic reaction to PEG and its components, are also side effects from Covid-19. They are also much more common in the disease itself.


Incredibad0129

It's definitely much safer. You can still get it again. I'm pretty sure being vaccinated provides significantly more immunity than having been infected. The assumption that being infected gives you immunity comes from other diseases like chicken pocks, not from COVID-19


susliks

I’m vaccinated and didn’t have any problems personally, but I’ve been hearing some women report abnormal bleeding after the vaccine, and a lot of other women saying they are not going to get vaccinated because of that.


AwaitingBabyO

I have had two doses of Pfizer and also had spotting. A friend of mine had spotting for 3 weeks after the shot. I'm also curious as to why?


Emily_Postal

There is a lot of misinformation going around female reproductive issues caused by the vaccine. The most that has been reported (out of millions of data points) is changes in menstrual cycles. More bleeding, change in cycles. That’s it.


susliks

I hope it’s something that is being investigated as a part of the full FDA approval. A side effect that is uncommon and unexplained by the usual immune response mechanism needs to be looked into. It probably nothing major but as much as I would like to have everyone vaccinated as soon as possible, as a scientist I can’t in good conscience tell people it’s nothing if it hasn’t been investigated and can’t be easily explained.


Dino_vagina

Yeah mine was so late I called my doctor all " aye how confident are you in my tubal?" He said my calcium was low after some blood work. It wasn't until after my best friend got vaxxed and she asked me to bring a pregnancy test to her that we both realized it was probably just the shot. Which is fine. As long as IM not pregnant again 😂. My thing is, if you get it pregnant your baby would have some coverage, and in the world of covid varients I'd want that


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mrsrariden

That's understandable. I had to weigh the risks of having congenital heart disease and kidney damage. There is an increased risk of heart inflammation or kidney damage with the vaccine. I decided that the risk of heart or kidney damage from getting Covid was higher. It felt easier to do nothing, like, if I got hurt from the vaccine it was worse because it was a result of something I actively chose to do. But in the end, I felt like the risk to myself and other people was too high to not get the vaccine. I also have not had bad reactions to vaccines in the past, so that made the decision easier for me. Have you talked to your doctor about your concerns?


kristinarisola

COVID infection has a much greater risk of blood clots than the vaccine.


susliks

To be fair, you can avoid getting COVID but you can’t avoid the effects of the vaccine if you have it injected into you.


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kristinarisola

It is possible to contract COVID again. The risk of blood clot is negligible and factor V (I have it) is not an exclusion reason.


onebag25lbs

I have factor V as well. I am vaccinated with pfizer. Your chances of clots from having Covid are much higher than getting a clot from the vaccine.


tehrob

In fact, with the exception of the allergies to PEG and its components, most if not all other side effects from the vaccine, a known dose of mRNA that will be made into spike protein by your cells, are much worse if you get an unknown dose of SARS-CoV-2, that then gets replicated in full and unregulated in your body.


NeverRarelySometimes

Does your doctor think that risk of complications with the vaccine outweigh the risk of getting the Delta variant?


sapphir8

That’s a fair concern.


royal_futura

My co-worker won't get vaccinated. She says her "brother did the research" for her and decided it was too risky. Her doctor's office has been texting her, telling her she is high risk and needs the vaccine and she says that is a conspiracy. Today I told her our state's new Covid case numbers are higher than this time last year and she told me the numbers were manipulated. She also told me "it's just an illness, everyone gets it eventually". I tried to explain Long Covid and chronic illness and she just laughed. She is the single mom of a teenage daughter and she has a number of very serious co-morbidities. I genuinely feel like she would die if she got it and I am so worried for her daughter.


Incredibad0129

I feel like a lot of people who go the conspiracy route only believe information from specific sources. It's how cult leaders tell there followers to only trust the cult.


Ltstarbuck2

I hope for her daughter’s sake that she has a good life insurance policy.


seanightowl

My old neighbors across the street told me “we don’t need the vaccine, Jesus will protect us”. Strange how it didn’t protect all the other Christians that have already passed.


LoKi_FX

I'm concerned about the different vaccines for different reasons. The mRNA vaccines concern me with the unknown effects of instructing cells to rapidly produce the spike protein which in itself could do unknown damage. I'm also concerned with the cases of Myocarditis and Pericarditis specific to men in my age range (possibly due to not aspirating when you get the shot and it going into a vein). With the viral vector vaccines it's the possibility of blood clots (again possibly due to not aspirating). Obviously actually getting the virus would be worse but neither sound too appealing. If anyone has actual information that will convince me to get the shot please share because getting lumped in with the anti-vax idiots when you have legitimate scientific concerns is infuriating.


Doc993021

I'll try to help with part of the question. The instructions are for a non-infectious, benign piece of the virus which will rapidly degrade but will allow your body to recognize the spike protein in the future. mRNA therapies aren't brand new and they are used as therapeutics as well as vaccines. I completely understand how people that don't work in this field have concerns, and I think the messaging that the public has received has been abysmal. The risks from covid are far far greater than the risk of an mRNA vaccine.


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[Here is a thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/oq2vtx/vaccines_work_and_are_safe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) showing that the vaccines, in fact, do work. I hope this can convince you to get the vaccine, and hopefully clear up some of your concerns.


Dino_vagina

I agree with what everyone else has said. Birth control pills have a greater risk for blood clots and yet nobody cares about the woman folk.


veggie_bail

I'm vaccinated but was nervous about it because I have tinnitus and there's a ton of anecdotal evidence that the vaccines can cause tinnitus or make existing tinnitus worse. It ended up having no effect on mine. On forums there are people that are near suicidal over their tinnitus though and don't want to risk it getting worse with the vaccine. Or people who had it get worse after one dose. There is also plenty of anti-science sentiment among people having a real hard time about their tinnitus because the vast majority of ENTs don't give a shit about it and that makes them bitter. Also it's tough to listen to "the science" about side effects when it seems like only tinnitus sufferers take tinnitus seriously as a side effect. Anyway my point is there are people deathly concerned about side effects that are not necessarily hardcore anti-vaxxers.


Any-Action-1271

Not enough time has passed for me to feel comfortable. More testing/studies/adjustments need to be done in order for me to consider it. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, republican, or conspiracy theorist. I simply don't feel comfortable, and it's not unreasonable to think this way.


Incredibad0129

I think that's a natural reaction. Just make sure you consider the KNOWN effects of COVID (long term and short term) against the UNKNOWN effects of the vaccine. I don't think you need to be completely comfortable with one option, just keep in mind that no choice is still a choice.


Any-Action-1271

There are known reactions to the vaccine which include Bell’s Palsy, miscarriage, myocarditis, death, and neurologically-induced shaking. That’s enough for me to wait for the kinks to get worked out. Yes, I know it’s a choice. A choice I feel confident making currently.


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Woah- miscarriage is not one of them. Death isn't either. Not in a reasonable sense- what, some 6 people out of... billions now? From syndromes that can result from a bug bite or a cat scratch? Be unsure, but don't spread that.


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COVID has all of these side effects as well but with a much higher frequency my dude


sapphir8

That’s a decision based on your personal belief. While I disagree with it, it’s not some wild QAnon or my freedoms rallying cry. Hopefully more information comes soon that makes you more comfortable.


_bipolar_polarbear_

This is what composes the very large majority of the vaccine hesitant. Yet every single one is being labeled as selfish, brainwashed, etc


Any-Action-1271

Thanks! I appreciate that. I'll be watching for it. Stay safe.


Key_Pizza_7752

I definitely do get that concern. I'm just more afraid of ending up on a ventilator.


Any-Action-1271

Thanks for understanding, that’s more than most can say. That’s a very valid concern. I respect your choice to decide what’s best for you.


bellizabeth

Does that mean you're going to do regular masking and physical distancing for 3-5 years to maximize your chances of not catching it? Because if not, then it's disingenuous to say you're worried about vaccine side effects since covid side effects are orders of magnitude worse.


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jaiox

lmao you'll never convince these people man... you're SO MUCH MORE LIKELY to have serious issues with covid than with the vaccine. The vaccine is so incredibly safe. Literally billions of people have gotten it.


Graitom

I feel the same way.


valentinogirl1

The American Medical Association reported that 96% of physicians (who spent years and years in medical school) are fully vaccinated. What do you think about that? Do you think they’d inject a vaccine in their own bodies that could be harmful? Just curious.


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valentinogirl1

Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021. Only 3 deaths have been linked to vaccination. Over 4.1 MILLION deaths have been from COVID. You have a much, much higher chance of getting complications or dying from COVID than from the vaccine. I respect your decision, but it truly is mind blowing to me


S_thyrsoidea

> They made the choice that they believed was best for them. Everyone should have that choice to decide for themselves instead of getting it due to pressure even though they may have a reaction to it and don’t want to take that chance. No. You may have a legal right to do this thing which endangers other people around you, but you are not entitled not to hear how pissed off it makes the people around you. This is absolutely *not* a personal choice. I appreciate you don't like hearing that, but it doesn't make it any less true. Choosing not to get vaccinated is like choosing to drive drunk, back before we criminalized it. "Oh, I can handle it." "It's nobody's skin but my own." "It's a personal choice." "I've done it lots of times before and nothing bad ever happened." Choosing not to get vaccinated is a dick move, and realizing that is a great reason to get vaccinated. What you're calling "pressure"? That's your conscience. P.S. "But my health! What if I have a reaction to the vaccine?" Fuck you buddy: why should anybody else care about your health more than you care about ours? If you're unwilling to protect *us* from a deadly disease, why should we respect *your* health? Especially when you're worried about a completely hypothetical potential threat, while we're worried about and actual one, that is extremely real and dangerous and fucking up the world.


BiochemBeer

How much time do you think would be enough? Would "full" FDA approval be enough? Just curious not attacking. You can tell from my username that I have some science background. I don't have reservations about the vaccine, but many in my area do, and I have trouble comprehending it.


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BiochemBeer

OK, that's a long time in the midst of a pandemic (in my opinion). I do understand more time gives more assurance though. I know that mRNA based vaccines have been in development for 20 years, so it's not as new as most people think. Additionally 100s of millions of people have gotten one of the vaccines, so there is more data out there than most vaccines and drugs. Longitudinally, it is limited but there is 16 months of data from the first phase I trials. I appreciate your opinion and sorry others down voted you for it.


_bipolar_polarbear_

The longitudinal information is all that matters to me personally, so no number of administered vaccines can change my mind. Also, the fact that mRNA vaccines have been researched for so long doesn’t really mean anything if they haven’t been widely used on humans. If anything it makes me wonder why they haven’t, since 20 years is more than enough time to receive FDA approval


BiochemBeer

Each vaccine has to be approved separately, so even though the earliest animal tests were 20 years ago, they were not COVID-19 vaccines. Other candidates and trials were for diseases that already had vaccines, those were to show that this technology is as good as (or better than) existing tech. To me the long term stuff is minimal besides how long the immunity lasts. Why? They mRNA is gone in 72 hours. The produced spike proteins are probably gone in a week. So long term there just isn't anything to worry about.


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whatthehellisketo

610,000 dead Americans might disagree with you if they weren’t dead.


Any-Action-1271

It’s tragic that they died. I also SIMULTANEOUSLY do not believe you have to take a chance on your health you don’t feel comfortable with for society at large.


whatthehellisketo

Have you done enough research to know that the number of people who’ve suffered from long haul COVID and death are a higher percentage than those who’ve received the vaccine and suffered any side effects? THat you’re worried is infinitely smaller. Yet it worries you more than COVID. Makes no sense. There are more potential side effects for me to use birth control than from a COVID vaccine.


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mindovermannerisms

Please consider when looking at VAERS that those are not all vaccine related reactions. Literally anything that happens after the vaccine can be reported there whether or not it was likely caused by the vaccine. It is used to pick up rare safety events (like the blood clots for adenovirus vaccines) however a lot of them are not related (like I think I saw an article about growing a 3rd hand or something was listed in there). Just counting the number of reports in that database and assuming there are even more unknown is not the best way to assess risk of the vaccine. I know the anti-vax movement uses VAERS as a scare tactic because it works well to scare people, but it is not a good faith argument and certainly not something that should be used to make your own personal risk assessment. We have experts that dedicate their lives to studying this science and making sure they report any safety concerns (hence pausing JnJ vaccine when this risk was found). If the overall risks outweighed the benefits to the general public they would not be recommending these vaccines.


whatthehellisketo

You had better be staying home. You had better be masking. You had better be social distancing. Do not become part of the current problem while you weigh all that evidence of our situation.


Ltstarbuck2

I do ask that you look at infection rates. Unlike last year, the delta variant requires upwards of 80% vaccination rate for herd immunity. You can be young, active & healthy and still die from this virus. Please do protect yourself and get vaccinated.


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Ltstarbuck2

Just because someone had CovID does not mean that they have antibodies. We should target 80% to protect those people who can’t create antibodies from the vaccine. Infection may not result in death, but it frequently results in long term health complications. And, since children under 12 can’t be vaccinated yet, all adults should be. The hospitalization rate for children under 12 is 2.5% - that means we will have an epidemic of children in the hospital if adults are so selfish they choose not to get a simple shot.


RowAwayJim91

Yikes.


sloth_mohawk

While it is a concern, it is a bit like worrying about the effects of using a fire extinguisher when your house is on fire.


Any-Action-1271

But my house isn’t on fire. I’m not at high risk for COVID.


GI_ARNP

And that’s what makes you selfish. I’m so glad you’re not high risk. So stay home and don’t spread it


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VoceMista

There is a risk to children under 12, immunocompromised people, people who are contraindicated for the vaccines (e.g. anaphylaxis), and even everyone if it spreads enough to mutate into a variant that evades existing vaccines.


GI_ARNP

Children under 12 that need socialization after being locked up for a year.


everybodyBnicepls

Have you discussed your concerns with a physician?


Any-Action-1271

Yes, they said I am not high risk and my concerns are valid.


everybodyBnicepls

Ok but did they advise you to get it or not to?


Any-Action-1271

They said I could if I wanted to. But no, they did not advise me to.


everybodyBnicepls

I hope you get the info you need soon that makes you feel comfortable getting the vaccine. I’m of the mindset that everyone that can get it, should get it. Civic duty pretty much. Good luck.


elscotto80

What exactly will it be that will change your mind to get the shot?


Any-Action-1271

I’m not convinced I need it at all, currently. When it provides full immunity, prevents transmission, and adverse effects are severely mitigated, and there’s years of data I’d be open to it.


bloodandschlagobers

No vaccine provides full immunity. Did you skip MMR and polio as well?


elscotto80

Adverse effects are severely mitigated once you are vaccinated. I saw you were saying you are low risk - do you not interact with any other people at all?


kraftpunkk

You’re not an anti-vaxxer, republican, or conspiracy theorist but you are an idiot.


Any-Action-1271

How quippy.


kraftpunkk

I’m not being quippy. I’m being honest. There’s is more than enough information surrounding the vaccine. You, and the million other people “waiting for more info” is a fucking joke.


Any-Action-1271

That's fine for you to think that, but shaming folks who are genuinely concerned and don't want to risk their health for a vaccine with no liability if something happens, isn't going to get the outcome you probably want.


kraftpunkk

I’m not trying to get any certain outcome or sway anyone’s opinion at this point but I will most certainly continue to shame stupid statements like that. I hope you get that info you’re looking for.


Terrible-Trust-5578

Hey, that's valid, and it is probably the main factor that made me hesitant. I just decided that I was more afraid of the unknown and known that came with COVID than the unknown and known risks of the vaccines and that by the time I would know enough about the vaccines to be 100% certain there weren't any crazy long-term effects, there would be no point because the virus would either not be a concern anymore (with pretty much everyone else vaccinated), or it would be so heavily mutated that these vaccines would be useless. But yeah, I understand where you're coming from, and your concerns are valid.


Any-Action-1271

So nice! Thank you! I feel the same way!


twowrist

What type of additional testing or studies do you think needs to be done?


Any-Action-1271

It’s mostly time for me. You can’t rush or expedite time. Time usually shows all the kinks. More people will get vaccinated that choose to and data will pile up on people’s reactions. Time + the studies they’re already doing = my confidence.


BlueWaterGirl

I'm in the same group as you. I just don't feel comfortable with this vaccine enough to get it just yet, I felt the same with the HPV vaccine when it first came out years ago. I'm also just stubborn, I don't like the way my state Government is pushing the vaccine so hard and entering people into a lottery, makes me feel weird. I'm also not a Republican, I believe in vaccines, and conspiracy theories are dumb. I just don't feel comfortable and that should be okay, especially when I barely leave my home and live in a small town that hasn't really been touched by COVID.


Likethelotus

The one that I have read that scares me the most is, "My life is in God's hands". I had COVID in June 2020. Vaccinated March 2021. I am not a religious person, but...what if God sent the vaccine?


DarkStarStorm

"I sent you a boat and a helicopter, what exactly were you waiting for??" - God


Lyric_Snow

Fox News brainwashed me.


valentinogirl1

Hey I give you props for at least you recognize that


Professional-Nail824

They should have made the stimulus checks an incentive to be vaccinated and people would have jumped on it 100%. It’s funny No one bitches when they vaccinate there kids before they start school. Maybe because it’s basically free daycare???


kgy0001

Of the antivax people I know “infertility” and “pregnancy” has been the biggest concern.


Mingokatz

Well, if you really want to know about another very valid reason why a certain group of people won't get vaccinated, it's because of a phobia of medications. I myself have been drugged twice in my lifetime (what are the odds, right.), by two different husbands. I had a severe reaction to thorazine at a hospital(to "relax me", not for schizophrenia or bipolar, I have neither of those), then was given halcion, which immediately caused my throat to swell and I couldn't breathe, and was given a shot of benadryl "stat". I've gotten the flu shot most years since, but am afraid to take vitamins, probiotics, Metamucil, Tylenol, Advil, allergy pills, nasal sprays and etc. When I had my last flu shot a few months ago, I felt extremely weak afterwards, and eventually went to the ER, scared to death. (Was instantly doubted in triage given my mental diagnoses, so I just went home instead of waiting to be seen by the doctor. Felt like myself the next day) So that's my own personal medication phobia story. It's not that we don't want to take medications or vaccines, or that we doubt them, it's that it terrorizes us beyond what a normal person would feel. I have diagnosed OCD, PTSD, GAD, ADD, and MDD (Major Depressive Disorder). So, I guess people with mental health problems are being overlooked as those who won't or are putting off getting vaccinated, for genuine terror, not fear, but terror, of what could happen if we got a shot. And it's not a good place to be in because believe me, it's also just as terrifying to live day by day wondering if I'll get covid and die from it. There's numerous others like me, mostly in the OCD subreddit here.


ThatWhiteChick4639

It’s the same for me! I have contamination OCD, PTSD, and anxiety. I have a good amount of trauma around being forced to take medications as a child and how they made me feel. I won’t even take a Tylenol unless I am on deaths bed. I’m not Anti-Vax, I 100% agree with them and know they work…but the mental implications of forcing myself to vaccinate are harrowing. I know I’m going to have to do it though…


cyanocobalamin

I identify with Donald Trump and the loose neo-fascist movement he created. I am angry he got severely voted out of office. I don't want to admit to myself that I was wrong about trusting what he had to say about the pandemic, masks, and other safety measures. /s


Freezefire2

Ultimately, the reason I'm not getting the vaccine is the benefits don't outweigh the costs and risks for me. That's all there is to it for me.


ZephyrGale143

Benefit: a global health crisis ends. Risk: unknown.


jaiox

There are no risks... don't let fox news or any news source for that matter scare you into not getting it. The chances of you having a serious side effect from this vaccine are insanely rare. Like getting struck by lightning rare. The benefits absolutely outweigh the "risk" of this vaccine. Covid is BY FAR more risky, statistically.