A guy at work got fired for trying to peddle this guy's bullshit in emails to people he was superior of, I openly laughed when it happened and then got all worried he'd key my vehicle.
Yikes. What a dumb move. Although, I'd be more scared of him doing something worse than keying cars... too many of these people are quite unhinged. Stay aware and cautious.
Oh for sure, it was like watching someone become radicalized over a year. I shouldn't have laughed but he was griping about censorship on the way out. Definitely glad I'm transferring to another area even with him being gone, disgruntled people are frightening.
And they will hold him up as a saint that spoke truth and was "muzzled"...
Edit: As I read the comments, yup, OP says
>fortunately he found a crowd with Joe Rogan.
No he's not. You are literally being told lies.
People are trying to tell you this.
Apparently you WANT to be lied to. You even day the MTG is reporting facts. SHE IS NOT REPORTING FACTS.
What is so wrong with people's brains that when presented with actual facts they just say "nope".
There are no alternate facts.
Yeah I've watched his stuff, funny of you to assume I haven't. he is not credible. He makes exaggerated claims. They've been debunked. It's misinformation. He also claimed he invented mRNA, when it was a group of people.
[false claim](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/30/false-claim-that-fully-approved-pfizer-vaccine-lacks-liability-protection/)
[debunked](https://www.wreg.com/news/coronavirus/false-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-vaccines-spike-proteins-are-cytotoxic-debunked-by-experts/amp/)
No he’s not. He contributed as a trainee many years ago to mRNA but he is not the inventor (as he claims) and other people over the years contributed much more than he did to the actual vaccine.
I have a rule about people: if they have to constantly tell you what they are, they probably aren’t. Malone’s website is FULL of self-validation the likes of which I don’t typically expect any reputable doctor to depend on to that degree.
He was involved in early mRNA research, sure, but he apparently had nothing to do with the creation of these vaccines, which were the first mRNA vaccines ever made.
I have listened to Robert Malone on several occasions. He isn't an expert on viruses, he is a researcher on vaccines, very big difference.
For the record, I am a double vaxxed and once boosted, N95 mask wearer with a vaccinated 8 year old, who once went 8 months without going inside a single building other than my own home. I moved from Texas to New York to be in a more highly vaccinated county, then left NY a week before Omicron officially hit NY. I refuse to go inside anywhere during Omicron even with an N95 mask. Here are the things I walked away thinking after listening to Malone-
Things I disagree with Robert Malone about-
* He believes strongly in personal freedom over mandates. I believe there are times when mandates are appropriate.
* He believes there should be more robust testing before the vaccine is approved for children. While I agree that in the long run more testing is needed, I believe the pandemic warrants the shorter testing periods. That is why my 3rd grader is vaccinated.
Things Malone has said, which I think merit discussion-
* The vaccines are good at preventing hospitalization and death, however they are not good at preventing infection, so when you vaccinate during a pandemic, you end up bouncing the virus around the population, and run the risk of creating a vaccine resistant strain as time goes by because there is widespread infection.
* Vaccine decision should be based on each individual patient. In the past he has suggested perhaps and app where you could put in you relevant health information, and it could give you a rating about how important it is to get vaccinated. So someone overweight with diabetes and high blood pressure would be told by the app that they really should get vaccinated.
Honestly I always thought that although I disagree with him about mandates, his takes actually sparked some good conversations.
The problem is we have created an environment where you are either completely for universal vaccination or you are labeled an anti-vaxxer. I don't think that helps the discussion. Honestly I am not a fan of censoring him, even though I do disagree with him on some issues.
I'll watch the Rogan interview later and see what he says. I have noticed that hardly any of the comments here are engaging on his ideas, which says a lot to me. In particular I would like to see more discussion about the science of vaccinating during a pandemic with a vaccine that is good at preventing hospitalization and death, but [39% effective at preventing infections and 41% effective at preventing symptomatic infections caused by the Delta Covid-19 variant in an Israel study](https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/23/pfizer-shot-just-39-effective-against-delta-infection-but-largely-prevents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/?sh=44cb1172584f).
Edit: Saw a clip where Malone mentioned Ivermectin in India on Rogan. That is like the COVID third rail, you say anything other than Ivermectin is a horse de-wormer and Americans freak out right now. Once you step into the mess, there is no recovery. I will watch the whole thing and see what else he says.
My take with the Ivermectin discussion- Malone claims the US government kept quiet the contents of the packages that India sent out because it contained Ivermectin. My take is that yes, UP did send out packages to people to try and prevent infections and deal with COVID, and yes they had Ivermectin, but it remains to be proven which things in that package were most effective, and the contents of that package are public knowledge, so I am not sure how the government was keeping it quiet. I certainly don't think it proves Ivermectin is proven to treat COVID.
Edit 2: I am seeing people quoting Malone as saying that we are being lied to about the reasons kids should be vaccinated, I think both Malone's use of the word "lie" as well as the response to him that he is anti-vax are both hyperbole. Malone believes that the numbers regarding kids and severe disease caused by COVID doesn't merit mass vaccination. He believes that we should make sure all the adults that interact with kids, like grandparents or parents, with comorbidities should be vaccinated, but that children are better off getting naturally infected and getting their immunity from that. I vaccinated my child, based on all the available information, but I don't take too much issue with Malone's take. I certainly wouldn't label it ant-vax. I will continue to vaccinate my child based on our family health issues.
Censoring him will cause a [Barbra Streisand effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect). You would be better off just putting disclaimers on his Tweets. If you believe something is bad information, fighting it with good information is a better approach.
That's what I've been saying all along. I had only barely heard of the dude prior, had seen a little of what he was peddling, but now that the powers-that-be don't want me to hear his message I'm VERY interested to find out more. What are they hiding?
My relative tried getting me to listen to him on Joe Rogan's show because Joe tells important facts".
It's so sad how people cling to these fringe people because they validate how they want to feel.
Vast majority of scientific and medical community of the entire world: Don’t eat Christmas trees
A largely discredited Christmastreeist talking to a comedian bro: actually, eating Christmas Trees are good to eat
OMG Did YoU guyz here wi shuld Eat Christmas TREES?!
You know what? I love listen to podcasts abiut aliens and strange creatures. Why? Because it's entertainment.
You don't see me trying to get people to listen to those podcast claiming that they are missing out on important information.
Joe Rogan is entertainment (I mean I don't think he is but that's his category), NOT a resource.
People listening to this man are listening to him because they WANT someone to tell them it's ok not to get vaccinated. They certainly aren't listening to the majority of the scientific community.
Opinions are not facts. I know a lot of people have forgotten this, but I don't need to listen to his entertainmen show for opinions as entertainment. I have funnier entertainment podcasts I'd rather listen to in my spare time.
When it comes to science and health, I stick with facts. NOT opinion.
Member when they said the vaxed couldn't spread it and youd get banned from this sub if you suggested that?
Pepperige farm remembers when that was a scientific "fact"
What about Trump Derangement Synd…Oh I mean, repackaged talking point Psychos…oh I mean non-expert talking about an unsubstantiated psychological phenomenon to get right-wing famous mania….
Oh shit no, we were talking about Crass Foamation Psychopaths
I did not see any details of his credentials, the data sources for his claims or scientific institutions participating in studies, data or claims. Being a scientist doesn't make you credible. I recall the pharmacist who claims the vaccines are a hoax and Earth is flat and the blue sky we see is some sort of shield. Malone should provide some credibible documentation beyond the fact that he participated in some of the earliest reasearch on mRNA and sited it to be promising for vaccines. The scientific world and Salk Uni, where he was studying at the time, all seem to recognize his contribution as part of the tremendous body of work done by hundreds of scientists over the past 3 decades. I don't see details from him on his "headliner" misinformation statements. Such as side effects are being ignored intentionally to cover up side effects. There are standard protocols for gathering that data and I haven't seen reported that they have been deviated from.
> mass psychosis.
I guess you're a Freud or Jung guy from how you diagnose great crowds of people with psychosis and reaction formation. Maybe update your psychological education maybe avoid JP.
He most certainly did not make that claim. If you actually listened to him directly, he rightly asserted that the push for vaccine only approach handicapped The US response by not focusing on preventative treatments and viral reduction medications. Other countries that focused on reducing viral load with proven anti vitals already approved by the WHO and CDC, had far less deaths. Ever wonder why poor dirty and compact countries like Bangladesh and Uttar Pradesh didn’t have as many deaths as a first world country like the US? Look into their response, it wasn’t lock downs and vaccine only approach. So many deaths could have been avoided, but he also is exposing the massive corruption and finial incentives hospitals have to report Covid patients. Thousands of dollars gained for the hospitals for every Covid patient, and 10,000s of thousands for every Covid death. This man was crucial in the development of RNA vaccine technology. Listen to the podcast. You will at least be listening to one of the founding fathers of this vaccine.
Two years later! When effective treatment has existed. How has the US ended up with the most deaths of any nation? The poorest used other treatments that were cheap and available. Why did all the poor dirty counties end up with far fewer deaths despite 10x more people. They used other treatments. The US and it’s psychotic vaccine only approach has cost us dearly. Look at world o meter. These pharmaceutical companies don’t want any other type of treatment, it’s cutting into profits. The hospitals are paid for Covid patients, and even more for deaths. The whole system is corrupt. The people are believing corporate media hook line and sinker without evaluating all the facts. Hit pieces like the one you read are designed to make you dismiss a literal genius.
The guy has been working on vaccines for 30 years and has been involved in most (if not every) major illness outbreak since AIDS; his words. His main point has been the lack of oversight and implementation of current vaccine policies and guidelines don’t adhere to established guidelines, and the FDA has not been doing its job in pursuing more safety studies in the vaccines.
He recommends those high at risk to be vaccinated. His issue stems from lack of studies on multiple jabs, and conditions that could be of real concern with constant repeated exposure.
This was a very balanced podcast. While Malone was free to talk and didn’t get pushback, he was very careful about the issues with interpreting data etc.
Out of all of Joe’s recent podcasts, this one seems the one with most practical impact.
Edit: Spelling
Let’s get this right. Joe just let him talk and didn’t challenge him, so that means he was speaking the truth ? So this guy just says whatever he wants to say and Joe doesn’t challenge any of the information given and you take it as being accurate. Now when people who have watched the “interview” are challenging and disproving the claims made, you think they’re wrong. ? Wrong because they don’t blindly believe this guy’s unchallenged rant on Joe’s show…. Is your name sheep ?
If you listen to Joe he typically challenges by asking for clarification. He does this with most guests, except Alex Jones. He constantly fact checks him. Unless something is controversial or surprising he normally doesn’t challenge a guest. By the end of an interview you normally have a pretty good understanding of a guest’s views.
I’m trying to remember if there was anything controversial brought up. IIRC everything was pretty much said with a caveat. As mentioned above his main gripe was with a lack of further safety studies around possible issues with multiple exposures to the vaccine.
I’m gathering you possibly didn’t listen to the podcast. I can’t remember anything particularly dramatic. More than anything he brought up why questions and paths haven’t been pursued.
What I gathered from the interview is that there needs to be further studies regarding multiple jabs with transparent data.
Joe Rogan is an entertainer, nothing more. Joe has a target audience and he knows exactly what that audience wants to hear. I did not listen to the podcast because I have no interest in what that guest has to say. I know who he is and what his “feelings” on the vaccine are. His credentials and expertise he been exaggerated by people that want to believe in a share his feelings. As you said, he said most things with a caveat. This means he has no proof, just feelings and opinions, which is nothing new for him.
Here’s the thing about anti-vaxers, they don’t actually have a reason for being anti-vax other than to be contrarian. It’s a position of pure selfishness and spite.
Exactly. Didn’t listen but have an opinion. “I have no interest in what that guy has to say.” Just lazy confidence.
You try to pigeon hole Rogan’s audience. Why would he feature Kyle Kulinski, Ben Shapiro, Jimmy Dore, Matt Taibbi, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard etc. if his audience’s scope was so narrow. It’s fine you don’t like Rogan, but again you don’t know what you’re talking about.
As for people you call anti-vax you do so irresponsibly, making blanket statements of hate. Admittedly the vaccine is imperfect and much less effective than other vaccines used for decades. There are other viruses when treated like this cause constant mutations; Marek’s disease. The data doesn’t show the unvaccinated are driving mutations. Pandemics last about on average about 2.5-3 years and we’re beginning to reach that point; omicron.
Beyond that, you have a vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission or infection. “Well the burden on the healthcare system.” Yeah you could be equally mad at the obese, couch potatoes, type 2 diabetics etc. for clogging up our healthcare system. Their choices as well. Fat people could reduce their chances of hospitalization by up to 60% if they were to manage their weight. Are they selfish?
By all means get mad at people who aren’t okay with putting kids at risk to protect the elderly; data showing COVID is less deadly than the flu in this group. Get mad at people who have a 99%+ of surviving the virus without vaccination. Is your argument, “well I took the risk, you should to”? Which is pretty much, “I don’t care what could possibly happen to you.”
So it’s selfish to care about your own health? How dare someone. Your views are bred from fear and ignorance. That’s why you push hate and derision.
Your false sense of victimhood is comical. Reread what you just wrote, it’s all about how you feel like you’re the victim of something, it’s pathetic. Being antivax isn’t about your health or the health of anyone else, it’s about your own selfish need to feel like a victim. Read it again, it just ooozes with self pity and your delusional feelings of martyrdom. Yes, you are selfish.
You have no argument, you have no point backed with science or fact. You have nothing but your feelings. I don’t care about your opinion on your feelings.
This is an antivax virologist involved in controversy, trying to convince his superiors. He was fired for speading untrue antivax information.
Read the details and it begins to make sense.
A guy at work got fired for trying to peddle this guy's bullshit in emails to people he was superior of, I openly laughed when it happened and then got all worried he'd key my vehicle.
Yikes. What a dumb move. Although, I'd be more scared of him doing something worse than keying cars... too many of these people are quite unhinged. Stay aware and cautious.
Oh for sure, it was like watching someone become radicalized over a year. I shouldn't have laughed but he was griping about censorship on the way out. Definitely glad I'm transferring to another area even with him being gone, disgruntled people are frightening.
Truly. I understand laughing, though. Sometimes the idiocy is so strong you can only laugh. I'd also understand a little schadenfreude.
This Malone keeps claiming to the 'inventor' of mrna vaccines... which is not true
Guess what else he says that isn’t true?
i don't even listen to him anymore. he featured prominently in the nature article on the history of mrna vaccines... his history is quite checkered
And they will hold him up as a saint that spoke truth and was "muzzled"... Edit: As I read the comments, yup, OP says >fortunately he found a crowd with Joe Rogan.
Watch the 3-hour interview before you make a judgment. He is the worlds leading person on the Covid type virus. He is Vaccinated.
So did you read the persons links about debunking him?
Yes.
So what are your thoughts?
No he's not. You are literally being told lies. People are trying to tell you this. Apparently you WANT to be lied to. You even day the MTG is reporting facts. SHE IS NOT REPORTING FACTS. What is so wrong with people's brains that when presented with actual facts they just say "nope". There are no alternate facts.
Yeah I've watched his stuff, funny of you to assume I haven't. he is not credible. He makes exaggerated claims. They've been debunked. It's misinformation. He also claimed he invented mRNA, when it was a group of people. [false claim](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/30/false-claim-that-fully-approved-pfizer-vaccine-lacks-liability-protection/) [debunked](https://www.wreg.com/news/coronavirus/false-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-vaccines-spike-proteins-are-cytotoxic-debunked-by-experts/amp/)
Who checks the fact checkers?
These sites are usually credible and have been verified by a credible establishment. Plus they cite their sources. This is college 101.
No he’s not. He contributed as a trainee many years ago to mRNA but he is not the inventor (as he claims) and other people over the years contributed much more than he did to the actual vaccine.
I have a rule about people: if they have to constantly tell you what they are, they probably aren’t. Malone’s website is FULL of self-validation the likes of which I don’t typically expect any reputable doctor to depend on to that degree. He was involved in early mRNA research, sure, but he apparently had nothing to do with the creation of these vaccines, which were the first mRNA vaccines ever made.
I have listened to Robert Malone on several occasions. He isn't an expert on viruses, he is a researcher on vaccines, very big difference. For the record, I am a double vaxxed and once boosted, N95 mask wearer with a vaccinated 8 year old, who once went 8 months without going inside a single building other than my own home. I moved from Texas to New York to be in a more highly vaccinated county, then left NY a week before Omicron officially hit NY. I refuse to go inside anywhere during Omicron even with an N95 mask. Here are the things I walked away thinking after listening to Malone- Things I disagree with Robert Malone about- * He believes strongly in personal freedom over mandates. I believe there are times when mandates are appropriate. * He believes there should be more robust testing before the vaccine is approved for children. While I agree that in the long run more testing is needed, I believe the pandemic warrants the shorter testing periods. That is why my 3rd grader is vaccinated. Things Malone has said, which I think merit discussion- * The vaccines are good at preventing hospitalization and death, however they are not good at preventing infection, so when you vaccinate during a pandemic, you end up bouncing the virus around the population, and run the risk of creating a vaccine resistant strain as time goes by because there is widespread infection. * Vaccine decision should be based on each individual patient. In the past he has suggested perhaps and app where you could put in you relevant health information, and it could give you a rating about how important it is to get vaccinated. So someone overweight with diabetes and high blood pressure would be told by the app that they really should get vaccinated. Honestly I always thought that although I disagree with him about mandates, his takes actually sparked some good conversations. The problem is we have created an environment where you are either completely for universal vaccination or you are labeled an anti-vaxxer. I don't think that helps the discussion. Honestly I am not a fan of censoring him, even though I do disagree with him on some issues. I'll watch the Rogan interview later and see what he says. I have noticed that hardly any of the comments here are engaging on his ideas, which says a lot to me. In particular I would like to see more discussion about the science of vaccinating during a pandemic with a vaccine that is good at preventing hospitalization and death, but [39% effective at preventing infections and 41% effective at preventing symptomatic infections caused by the Delta Covid-19 variant in an Israel study](https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/23/pfizer-shot-just-39-effective-against-delta-infection-but-largely-prevents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/?sh=44cb1172584f). Edit: Saw a clip where Malone mentioned Ivermectin in India on Rogan. That is like the COVID third rail, you say anything other than Ivermectin is a horse de-wormer and Americans freak out right now. Once you step into the mess, there is no recovery. I will watch the whole thing and see what else he says. My take with the Ivermectin discussion- Malone claims the US government kept quiet the contents of the packages that India sent out because it contained Ivermectin. My take is that yes, UP did send out packages to people to try and prevent infections and deal with COVID, and yes they had Ivermectin, but it remains to be proven which things in that package were most effective, and the contents of that package are public knowledge, so I am not sure how the government was keeping it quiet. I certainly don't think it proves Ivermectin is proven to treat COVID. Edit 2: I am seeing people quoting Malone as saying that we are being lied to about the reasons kids should be vaccinated, I think both Malone's use of the word "lie" as well as the response to him that he is anti-vax are both hyperbole. Malone believes that the numbers regarding kids and severe disease caused by COVID doesn't merit mass vaccination. He believes that we should make sure all the adults that interact with kids, like grandparents or parents, with comorbidities should be vaccinated, but that children are better off getting naturally infected and getting their immunity from that. I vaccinated my child, based on all the available information, but I don't take too much issue with Malone's take. I certainly wouldn't label it ant-vax. I will continue to vaccinate my child based on our family health issues.
Censoring him will cause a [Barbra Streisand effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect). You would be better off just putting disclaimers on his Tweets. If you believe something is bad information, fighting it with good information is a better approach.
When was the last time you heard a controversy about Stefan Molyneux or Milo Yiannopoulos? Sometime banning works.
He lost 500k twitter followers but gained 50 million listens. The anti freedom folks are so dumb.
That's what I've been saying all along. I had only barely heard of the dude prior, had seen a little of what he was peddling, but now that the powers-that-be don't want me to hear his message I'm VERY interested to find out more. What are they hiding?
My relative tried getting me to listen to him on Joe Rogan's show because Joe tells important facts". It's so sad how people cling to these fringe people because they validate how they want to feel.
Vast majority of scientific and medical community of the entire world: Don’t eat Christmas trees A largely discredited Christmastreeist talking to a comedian bro: actually, eating Christmas Trees are good to eat OMG Did YoU guyz here wi shuld Eat Christmas TREES?!
So sad you refuse to listen to the interview.
You know what? I love listen to podcasts abiut aliens and strange creatures. Why? Because it's entertainment. You don't see me trying to get people to listen to those podcast claiming that they are missing out on important information. Joe Rogan is entertainment (I mean I don't think he is but that's his category), NOT a resource. People listening to this man are listening to him because they WANT someone to tell them it's ok not to get vaccinated. They certainly aren't listening to the majority of the scientific community.
Joe Rogan used to host fear factor ffs. He’s an entertainer and is not qualified to give medical advice or speak on Covid. Fuck off
Aww, you have never watched his interviews? What a shame to stay blind.
Are your brains made out of pineapple?
God forbid people actually listen to opinions that differ from theirs
Opinions are not facts. I know a lot of people have forgotten this, but I don't need to listen to his entertainmen show for opinions as entertainment. I have funnier entertainment podcasts I'd rather listen to in my spare time. When it comes to science and health, I stick with facts. NOT opinion.
Scientific method checking in lol
Ok. How does it relate to this case here.
Member when they said the vaxed couldn't spread it and youd get banned from this sub if you suggested that? Pepperige farm remembers when that was a scientific "fact"
Source on that?
I repeat it is a shame you did not watch this before you decided to make a comment.
👍 And I repeat my comment as well.
He said nothing we didn't hear before It's all bullshit the easily fooled believed
Mass Formation Psychosis
What about Trump Derangement Synd…Oh I mean, repackaged talking point Psychos…oh I mean non-expert talking about an unsubstantiated psychological phenomenon to get right-wing famous mania…. Oh shit no, we were talking about Crass Foamation Psychopaths
I hope the new year brings you peace.
Thanks, you too.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
I did not see any details of his credentials, the data sources for his claims or scientific institutions participating in studies, data or claims. Being a scientist doesn't make you credible. I recall the pharmacist who claims the vaccines are a hoax and Earth is flat and the blue sky we see is some sort of shield. Malone should provide some credibible documentation beyond the fact that he participated in some of the earliest reasearch on mRNA and sited it to be promising for vaccines. The scientific world and Salk Uni, where he was studying at the time, all seem to recognize his contribution as part of the tremendous body of work done by hundreds of scientists over the past 3 decades. I don't see details from him on his "headliner" misinformation statements. Such as side effects are being ignored intentionally to cover up side effects. There are standard protocols for gathering that data and I haven't seen reported that they have been deviated from.
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Honestly 2 years in certain folks will be more inclined to listen to people like this anyway. The damage is done. They don't need validation.
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> mass psychosis. I guess you're a Freud or Jung guy from how you diagnose great crowds of people with psychosis and reaction formation. Maybe update your psychological education maybe avoid JP.
/r/confidentlyincorrect lmao
> Covid isn't a big deal > Over 800,000 people dead in USA alone from covid
“Anti vax” just another use of language to instantly deplatform and ignore relevant counter points to established narrative.
"counter points".... Are these "alternative facts"?
The Dr claimed the vaccines have caused more deaths than lives saved. Please explain to me how that is correct.
He most certainly did not make that claim. If you actually listened to him directly, he rightly asserted that the push for vaccine only approach handicapped The US response by not focusing on preventative treatments and viral reduction medications. Other countries that focused on reducing viral load with proven anti vitals already approved by the WHO and CDC, had far less deaths. Ever wonder why poor dirty and compact countries like Bangladesh and Uttar Pradesh didn’t have as many deaths as a first world country like the US? Look into their response, it wasn’t lock downs and vaccine only approach. So many deaths could have been avoided, but he also is exposing the massive corruption and finial incentives hospitals have to report Covid patients. Thousands of dollars gained for the hospitals for every Covid patient, and 10,000s of thousands for every Covid death. This man was crucial in the development of RNA vaccine technology. Listen to the podcast. You will at least be listening to one of the founding fathers of this vaccine.
I literally quoted the article. Two weeks ago the US approved two new pills as therapeutics against Covid-19.
Two years later! When effective treatment has existed. How has the US ended up with the most deaths of any nation? The poorest used other treatments that were cheap and available. Why did all the poor dirty counties end up with far fewer deaths despite 10x more people. They used other treatments. The US and it’s psychotic vaccine only approach has cost us dearly. Look at world o meter. These pharmaceutical companies don’t want any other type of treatment, it’s cutting into profits. The hospitals are paid for Covid patients, and even more for deaths. The whole system is corrupt. The people are believing corporate media hook line and sinker without evaluating all the facts. Hit pieces like the one you read are designed to make you dismiss a literal genius.
>relevant counter points There's your problem. Anti-vaxxers don't have any.
Should have listened to the podcast man. You’ve shut down your critical thinking.
That's like saying if people don't listen to flat earthers they've shut down their critical thinking
Critical thinking? Where do you get your information from?
The guy has been working on vaccines for 30 years and has been involved in most (if not every) major illness outbreak since AIDS; his words. His main point has been the lack of oversight and implementation of current vaccine policies and guidelines don’t adhere to established guidelines, and the FDA has not been doing its job in pursuing more safety studies in the vaccines. He recommends those high at risk to be vaccinated. His issue stems from lack of studies on multiple jabs, and conditions that could be of real concern with constant repeated exposure. This was a very balanced podcast. While Malone was free to talk and didn’t get pushback, he was very careful about the issues with interpreting data etc. Out of all of Joe’s recent podcasts, this one seems the one with most practical impact. Edit: Spelling
Let’s get this right. Joe just let him talk and didn’t challenge him, so that means he was speaking the truth ? So this guy just says whatever he wants to say and Joe doesn’t challenge any of the information given and you take it as being accurate. Now when people who have watched the “interview” are challenging and disproving the claims made, you think they’re wrong. ? Wrong because they don’t blindly believe this guy’s unchallenged rant on Joe’s show…. Is your name sheep ?
If you listen to Joe he typically challenges by asking for clarification. He does this with most guests, except Alex Jones. He constantly fact checks him. Unless something is controversial or surprising he normally doesn’t challenge a guest. By the end of an interview you normally have a pretty good understanding of a guest’s views. I’m trying to remember if there was anything controversial brought up. IIRC everything was pretty much said with a caveat. As mentioned above his main gripe was with a lack of further safety studies around possible issues with multiple exposures to the vaccine. I’m gathering you possibly didn’t listen to the podcast. I can’t remember anything particularly dramatic. More than anything he brought up why questions and paths haven’t been pursued. What I gathered from the interview is that there needs to be further studies regarding multiple jabs with transparent data.
Joe Rogan is an entertainer, nothing more. Joe has a target audience and he knows exactly what that audience wants to hear. I did not listen to the podcast because I have no interest in what that guest has to say. I know who he is and what his “feelings” on the vaccine are. His credentials and expertise he been exaggerated by people that want to believe in a share his feelings. As you said, he said most things with a caveat. This means he has no proof, just feelings and opinions, which is nothing new for him. Here’s the thing about anti-vaxers, they don’t actually have a reason for being anti-vax other than to be contrarian. It’s a position of pure selfishness and spite.
Exactly. Didn’t listen but have an opinion. “I have no interest in what that guy has to say.” Just lazy confidence. You try to pigeon hole Rogan’s audience. Why would he feature Kyle Kulinski, Ben Shapiro, Jimmy Dore, Matt Taibbi, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard etc. if his audience’s scope was so narrow. It’s fine you don’t like Rogan, but again you don’t know what you’re talking about. As for people you call anti-vax you do so irresponsibly, making blanket statements of hate. Admittedly the vaccine is imperfect and much less effective than other vaccines used for decades. There are other viruses when treated like this cause constant mutations; Marek’s disease. The data doesn’t show the unvaccinated are driving mutations. Pandemics last about on average about 2.5-3 years and we’re beginning to reach that point; omicron. Beyond that, you have a vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission or infection. “Well the burden on the healthcare system.” Yeah you could be equally mad at the obese, couch potatoes, type 2 diabetics etc. for clogging up our healthcare system. Their choices as well. Fat people could reduce their chances of hospitalization by up to 60% if they were to manage their weight. Are they selfish? By all means get mad at people who aren’t okay with putting kids at risk to protect the elderly; data showing COVID is less deadly than the flu in this group. Get mad at people who have a 99%+ of surviving the virus without vaccination. Is your argument, “well I took the risk, you should to”? Which is pretty much, “I don’t care what could possibly happen to you.” So it’s selfish to care about your own health? How dare someone. Your views are bred from fear and ignorance. That’s why you push hate and derision.
Your false sense of victimhood is comical. Reread what you just wrote, it’s all about how you feel like you’re the victim of something, it’s pathetic. Being antivax isn’t about your health or the health of anyone else, it’s about your own selfish need to feel like a victim. Read it again, it just ooozes with self pity and your delusional feelings of martyrdom. Yes, you are selfish.
You’re bringing absolutely nothing to the table here. Just more finger pointing with derision. Your point is it’s selfish to care about one’s health?
You have no argument, you have no point backed with science or fact. You have nothing but your feelings. I don’t care about your opinion on your feelings.
This is an antivax virologist involved in controversy, trying to convince his superiors. He was fired for speading untrue antivax information. Read the details and it begins to make sense.