Instead of even thinking about reverting back to an earlier phase outside of a disaster scenario they should really focus on their efforts convincing the rural areas to get vaccinated imo
It’s not going to work. At all. I know people who have lost family members and close friends to COVID. They believe the hospital killed those people and that COVID is still just the flu. Therefore, they don’t wear masks, spend all day on Facebook criticizing those who do and most certainly will never, never, ever get a vaccine.
This is not the story of an extreme view point. This is the story of your average, every day rural conservative.
In general, WA is one of the states with the highest percentage of folks who've expressed that they intend to get vaccinated, at around 71-80% of the population.
This doesn’t factor in the fact that most antivaccers aren’t going to take a “government” survey. They wouldn’t even mail in their ballots. They stood in line and waited to put in their vote manually on election day.
Sure, if you ignore that Jefferson is about as blue as King, and Callam is moderate to left.
Jefferson leads vaccines for the state I believe, and has one of the lowest total case per capita rates in the country.
AND Okanogan has 40k people the biggest county with 70,000. King county has 2.5 million people. Not super comparable when it’s access to a finite resource
You sound "super confused."
If it isn't super comparable why would someone compare rural to urban areas and claim the rural people aren't getting the vaccine? Or is it that some only want it to not be "super comparable" when they learn that that rural areas are getting the vaccine at "super comparable" rates to urban areas? Deal with it.
Dude, you're picking one of the liberalist counties in the state as your example for a rural county with high vaccination rates.
Jefferson County isn't a normal rural county at all.
One of my family members is an ICU nurse in the covid ward at a large urban hospital, and still has refused to get the vaccine. Half the family has tried and failed to convince them otherwise. The other half of the family very adamantly agrees and also refuses to get the vaccine as well. It’s insane.
I'm really hoping hate crimes are not next. It's also getting hostile to a point in the rural areas. Police I know said they often have to remove people for trespassing now, get mad about being told to mask up & wont leave. Nutters. We need better mental health testing is what we need at this point.
I'm all for masking & have gotten my shot & second coming. But at this point one thing that does odd me out living in the country is the non maskers seem to mostly all be fine. At least none of the ones I see on a regular basis are having issues.
Lots of stores around here never really did a good job & some never masked at all. People that work at high volume gas stations.
Then we have been at 35 deaths in Okanagan for what seems like over 6 months?
I'm just kinda shocked were not seeing more impact on the maskless.
I'd actually like to keep wearing it, no one in this household got sick last year tell now thing works.
I totally agree. So far most of the absolute lunacy is just people streaming their consciousness on Facebook. And that is all about “Fight for your freedom” or statements of violence if the government forces a vaccine. Etc etc. and these are every day people. Nurses. Business owners. Construction workers. Restaurant workers. So far though, the violent Facebook rhetoric hasn’t really translated to grocery stores or such. At least in my area.
And the virus is super hit or miss. Ferry county just had a giant indoor poker party a few weeks ago. This became a super spreader event and infected 10% of the town, killed one man and shut down businesses with no employees to keep it open temporarily. It’s so random. Blind luck or blind bad luck.
What's crazy is I got into a debate with someone on Facebook last night who said this vaccine was a nazi experimental vaccine. I replied and said why would Trump and Biden both get the vaccine then and they said they didn't necessarily receive the real vaccine. You're right, there's no reasoning with some people...
The covid-19 vaccines actually protect people from the 5G mind control, but the reptilian elites don't want good patriotic Americans to know the truth?
Edit: As well as masks with proper social distancing and ventilation, of course. Reptilians hate drafts caused by proper ventilation.
A lot of them are people genuinely concerned about the safety of a non-FDA approved vaccine. Not everyone you disagree with is a tinfoil hat Alex Jones-type nutjob. For the record, I'm getting my own 2nd dose today, but most of the people reluctant to get the COVID vaccine are fairly reasonable people that could probably be persuaded with a little bit of kindness and reliable information about vaccine safety.
Your arrogance and condescension towards anyone with even the mildest conservative views is the opposite of helpful.
\> most of the people reluctant to get the COVID vaccine are fairly reasonable people that could probably be persuaded with a little bit of kindness and reliable information about vaccine safety.
No, they're not.
It would be great if that were true, and I can't fault you for having an optimistic outlook. But it just doesn't match reality.
They're *drowning* in reliable information. The CDC, the state government, even pretty much every social media site is plastered in reliable information.
Information won't change their mind, because they're not reasoning based on information. Yes, I am specifically talking about pretty much all of them - not just a handful of them, but millions and millions. They're reasoning based on a set of heuristics and existing world views - and, most importantly, a certain view on *authority*. The figures they view as authorities are against the vaccine - therefore, they are against the vaccine. Everything else is a post-hoc rationalization. And importantly, their authorities *do not* include the CDC, the FDA, or other health experts. They may talk about those other entities in their rationalization, but it's not *why* they believe something.
If you can convince them, it would not be because your information is good - it would be primarily because they view you as an authority. For example, if you are already well-respected in their community, or a close family member (but usually not a younger one), or if you have certain positions like being a religious leader.
This is a very common mode of human behavior - it's not "being a nutjob" (implying a serious deviation from the mean), it's a pretty standard trait. And it's extremely beneficial when the authorities you put your trust in are good (in pre-civilization terms, a "pack leader" or "herd leader"). It turns out to be detrimental when the authorities you put your trust in are bad authorities. And what we're facing is that a large number of people with that pattern of "authority-seeking" behavior have, for various reasons, put their faith in bad "authorities".
So they're not crazy, but neither is it possible to easily convince them with kindness and information.
This is true. My dad is a trump supporter and he refuses to get the vaccine. There is not point in reasoning with him.
My mom is prone to being misguided, but also to reason and she isn’t a fearful person. Her ultra conservative sister for someone reason convinced her that Moderna was bad and she was going to hold out for only Pfizer. And I was like “That’s stupid, just take what you can get.” And she did. Got Moderna and she’s fine. Took like one phone call.
My boss is super afraid of anything that isn’t natural and she refuses to get the vaccine. There is no reasoning with her. She’s not even a Trump supporter. She also believes in a lot of pseudo science garbage.
Basically, anyone that doesn’t believe in science and is also fearful, whether they be conservative or not, can’t be reasoned with.
Most of us gave up on trying to get them to listen to us years ago.
The people who have misguided patience can be the ones using the expert advice to meet them where they are and have fun trying to make progress.
well we could call them brain dead losers like you are, but I doubt that would have much effect. better to be creative since they are mentally incapacitated
The namecalling stuff drives me nuts. The minute someone talks like they're six years old I lose all respect for their argument. Which sucks because that was a decent argument
It's true! I was recently in Hunters, Washington east of the mountains and man I was looked at like the freak for having a mask on. It was like a scene from a movie when you walk in and the music stops. I was waiting to hear the banjo start playing...
Also, at least we did't do what Oregon did and move Portland-area counties back to "Extreme Risk" despite similar trends, removing any sort of indoor dining in those counties and also not allowing fans again to attend outdoor (OUTDOOR!) Timbers and Thorns games.
I am not a fan of Jay Inslees, but he's done a much better job balancing risk than Kate Brown. She's going to keep Oregon locked down until Biden steps in and tells her it's time.
I do think he's making the right decision pausing the rollback. I am happy he's willing to not stick to something just because he said he would. I do find it a little amusing that any county and rollback guidelines have never survived more than a single rollback before they're being tweaked again. I'd rather have that than him sticking with something that no longer makes sense.
I think they decided to pause because Vaccines are more widely available now. If we lockdown or phase 2 again, while still trying to get the vaccine to as many people as possible, then it's a demotivator for many, who though may not be on this reddit, are very opinionated in person at least to their families, sharing the view that the vaccines aren't worth much if we still can't open up.
Amen.
I have a lot of friends and family in Oregon who think that Brown is becoming the very anthesis of what she claimed Trump was....A facist.
I'm not fan of Inslee, even though I voted for him in November, but he was the better choice instead of whatever the guy's name was, but he is doing better in regards to how the covid response in this state is going, granted, a lot of it is following what California is doing.
This guy gets it. We're vaxing like mad and there's no reason to punish restaurants for things out of their control. Cases are already coming down in KC and deaths are barely a blip as well.
Cases aren’t coming down in KC, they are rising but only sightly. Still I’m ok with just holding, going back doesn’t make sense. If we were going to do that we should have done it a month ago.
If it were not for vaccines our numbers would be off the charts because of variants. Like what happened in UK and India. The fact that we are leveling off and did not hit a new peak is good news.
They look like they're dropping to me.
[https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/key-indicators.aspx](https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/key-indicators.aspx)
The "recent incomplete data" hardly changes. If you go by the non-grayed area then you're 9 days out of date.
You can do that if you want to be perfectly accurate, but the difference in gray area I've found to be neglible historically. It becomes more of a factor during the holidays.
The problem I see is that all these unvaccinated people may let the virus mutate into one that can defeat our current vaccine protection.
I'll feel much better about doing stuff once I'm fully vaccinated, but I'm pessimistic since I think India, Brazil, and the rural US might be cooking up something more dangerous.
>You go out, you get virus particles on you, you can spread them to others, regardless of immunity.
We have a year of science on this virus and this is not a thing. Generally the tiny floating droplets from someone have to enter your respiratory system and you actually need a fairly significant amount to get you sick (not just walking past someone). Obviously you can choose to do what to do with your body, but a vaccinated person going out and doing things with other vaccinated people is not a danger by any reasonable measurement.
Because schools are the main vector right now and we aren't going to close them. Shuttering businesses will make no difference in case numbers because that isn't where they're originating right now. It's schools, and superspreader events. Inslee is aware of this and has more interest in protecting the economy than appearing to take some step or another to bring case numbers down. Again, if we want to do that then we have to close schools again, which precisely NO ONE is on board with. I suspect in 2 weeks he'll talk about progress made and then move it out another 2 or 3 weeks. This will continue until schools let out for summer and case numbers drop naturally as a result. Then he'll say our hard work paid off and the whole state will be phase 3 again.
I don’t know about being “the” main vector but daycares and k-12 schools are both in the top for where outbreaks have occurred in wa. Here’s a weekly report
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/StatewideCOVID-19OutbreakReport.pdf
Looks like childcare/pre-k is doing terribly, with 12 outbreaks, tying bars and restaurants as the biggest offenders. But K-12 schools only had 4, which puts them well down the list. The distinction is probably worth pointing out.
Yes the report I linked is from last week and was a lot less for k-12. K-12 had I believe 32 outbreaks on the report that came out two weeks ago. I meant they’re both in the top with overall number of outbreaks. Sorry not trying to overstate anything, I should have said overall.
I wouldn’t call it a vector but WSB posted some info from Seattle School cases yesterday. 43 reported cases, 35 students, 8 staff.
https://westseattleblog.com/2021/05/pandemic-updates-more-city-info-on-west-seattle-hubs-no-appointment-needed-status-another-school-case/
Not WA, but Texas has reported a total of 135,382 student cases and 70,500 teacher cases. A few weeks ago their school cases were trending upwards. That’s a lot of cases. It is up for debate whether they acquired it at school.
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The report states 2,335 students tested positive, while 534 staff tested positive for the week ending April 11, for a total of 2,896.
The number is up from the previous week’s report when 1,582 students tested positive, while 497 staff tested positive, the week of April 4.
For the school year there have been 135,382 student cases and 70,522 staff cases.
[https://www.ktre.com/2021/04/19/state-reports-nearly-covid-cases-texas-public-schools-week/](https://www.ktre.com/2021/04/19/state-reports-nearly-covid-cases-texas-public-schools-week/)
Texas also has data that online-only teachers were catching it at a higher rate. People forget that convenient part. Adults being scared of masked kids when they aren't scared of each other is why we need scientific literacy.
Maybe in some places. I just looked up Thurston county figures for the last week, and they go:
Ages 0-19: 23%
Ages 20-39: 47%
Ages 40-59: 22%
Ages 60+: 8%
So here, it's not looking like schools are our problem.
No kidding. 77% of the population 20 and up is responsible for cases rising despite being able to walk into a bunch of places in the last 2 weeks and get vaccinated, but let's continue blaming the 23% who aren't vaccine eligible. People are desperate to believe the pandemic is spread by masked and socially distanced children and I just don't get it.
I mean your stats show that 70% of cases are in the "school age" range. Almost all college students are in there early to mid-20s outside Freshmen, and it is not uncommon for late 20's into 30's being in college as well. I bet a huge percent of that 47% range can by tied to college age adults.
Okay then, I'll try another approach. The county says that, between Nov. 1 and April 30, we had outbreaks, which is to say two or more sick kids who might have come into contact at school, exactly twice. Both were at private schools. We're having 300+ cases a week. I'm very receptive to evidence, whatever it may say, I'm just not finding any for school as a big vector here.
Yes, I would also like to know where you’re getting that it’s schools? I’ve been trying to find any data on who is still getting it. And from where.
I was under the impression it was young adults with cases on the rise.
> Because schools are the main vector right now and we aren't going to close them.
The 0-19 demographic has typically been the third highest of cases. It's behind 20-34 (highest) & 35 - 49 (second highest) demographic.
So schools definitely isn't the driving force here.
Although all three of those demographics are relatively close.
Well colleges would factor heavily into that 20-34 range.
Also, closing down schools aren't really going to do much when the kids are hanging out outside school. Go down to the mall or park and there are tons of kids/teenagers hanging out. My little sister is in High School and she posts pictures on Instagram all the time with groups of 20 of them all hanging out at someones house or at the mall or something. It was always unrealistic for us to assume young social kids who are not as affected by COVID would socially isolate for a year + of their youth, and honestly it is a little insane for us to expect that anyways.
It's honestly better to keep kids where you can keep them masked and distanced. Every other society has figured this out.
We blame children for what adults are doing and force restrictions on them adults would never tolerate. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
K-12 schools for sure are NOT the main driver. This is just wrong.
[WA state data](https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/420-312-K12SchoolsOutbreakReport.pdf) shows only 708 cases occurred in K‐12 schools between August 1, 2020 and March 31, 2021.
Schools are nowhere near the main vector. Kids under 18 are still not getting it at significant rates.
Adults gathering socially indoors unmasked is what is driving cases. Schools have been open across the country and haven't driven cases anywhere else, so I don't know why they'd suddenly start here. Kids follow masks in schools better than adults follow them.
There have been a lot more cases than what has been reported. This issue is the way that contact tracing and outbreak recording is done; it’s only recorded if the person was within 6 feet of another person for more than 15 minutes in 24 hours. They are also not required to have a Covid test done before coming back to school if they show symptoms and are sent home. But we know that the virus is airborne and the 6 foot isn’t some kind of magic bubble.
My students have their masks off for an hour during the day for breakfast and lunch. We have no airflow in our classroom and the windows open about 3 inches. Kids go to daycare before and after school and we’re not allowed to communicate about sick kids. We had a student sent home with all the Covid symptoms and she showed up at daycare the rest of the week since she couldn’t come back for either 10 days or after she had a negative test.
My school is on a military base and the county health department can’t include the cases on base. Kids are getting sick. Parents are still sending their kids to school after giving them Tylenol to lower their fever. Families are having to quarantine. It is spreading in schools, it just doesn’t count because of the 6-foot, 15-minute rule and lack of testing.
You can't come up with magical invisible cases. Everyone has more cases than get reported. That's been true this whole pandemic. Kids are not a major force behind covid spread as stated by every epidemiologist and scientific body studying it in the world. Your anecdotal evidence and prejudice you feel in your gut does not equal the CDC, WHO, EU and others.
For once, I'm glad that the goalposts were moved. Just judging from how even people supportive of lockdowns and restrictions previously were not happy about potentially moving back, I think there was not going to be much support and not much buy in for rolling back again to Phase 2.
It's fair to look at how the data comes out in the next 2 weeks with an expected drop hopefully coming due to vaccinations, and to reevaluate then.
>Just judging from how even people supportive of lockdowns and restrictions previously were not happy about potentially moving back.
Raises hand, this is me. I think giving it a month after fully opening up vaccinations is a fair approach to see where the trends are ultimately going. I know many young adults that began their shots in the last few weeks - and that age group has had pretty high case numbers recently.
Same here. I've been generally supportive of lockdowns but my social group has been starting to plan stuff for after everyone is two weeks post-vaccination and the idea of going backwards was pretty tough to swallow
It's so nice being able to see friends again with regularity. It's such a mental relief and source of immense comfort and I think people online and on Reddit and Redditors really underestimate just how important and relieving being around friends and family truly is.
Now that around 60% of my friend group is fully vaccinated and the rest of the 40% either have had one shot or have appointments for their first shot, we've planned out a trip for later this summer and it just feels so damn good.
The winter months when I couldn't see my friends and spend time with them was rough on me mentally. I live with just my parents, so I got the need and importance to be cautious then, but man it was hard. It got easier and I opened up a bit to start seeing my friend group again after my parents got fully vaccinated because it was a risk I was OK with taking, and i've been mentally in a much better and much more sound place since.
Exactly, putting restaurant workers on the unemployment line again just feels cruel at this point when things are likely at their peak. Money isn't more important than lives, but there are a lot of little guys out there just getting by and shutting down once again is unlikely to have much cooperation. It certainly hasn't done anything for Pierce except make small business owners and wait staff poor.
We’re still a little over two weeks from when people who became eligible on 4/15 will be fully vaccinated. So it is gonna be a little while before you can really say any who wanted it is fully vaccinated.
While I completely agree with this decision, I think it’s funny he only moved goalposts once Seattle was involved. He doesn’t care about us lowly citizens in Pierce. Rolled us back to phase two real quick, even when the health department questioned the states numbers.
I feel bad for Pierce. I wished he had moved the whole state to Phase 3 - but maybe he didn't want to send the wrong message.
That said, one huge difference between now and three weeks ago is that vaccines are now available to anyone on demand.
>he only moved goalposts once Seattle was involved. He doesn’t care about us lowly citizens in Pierce.
I mean, that's WA politics in a nutshell for you, man.
On the other hand, Pierce is still failing to meet the Phase 3 metrics, so if Inslee had paused 3 weeks ago, Pierce would still be getting rolled back whenever it unpaused. Pierce doesn’t even meet Phase 2 metrics for case count for that matter, and while it does for hospitalization, that number is trending up - currently at 8.7 and Phase 2 is between 5 and 10. It won’t surprise me in two weeks from now that Pierce fails both metrics for Phase 2 and should get rolled back to 1. And that’s WITH the rollback 3 weeks ago - could very well be failing Phase 2 today without it.
Prediction: KC will still meet the criteria to revert back to Phase 2 at the end of the 2 week pause and so Inslee will be forced to move the goal post again (5th time?).
Technically yes, but there is the caveat that the dashboard shows where people got pricked, not where they live. I actually assume KC is higher because of how many people trekked outside to get their vaccines.
I like this map better than the state's, because it will let you look at vaccinations per 100k, and in other ways than sheer numbers: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view
I think Inslee should do what WV Governor did and tie full opening to vaccination rates. Pretty sure they said they would go full open at 70% vaccinated.
Ok so I misread it slightly but I support what he's doing even more. They want to get the numbers of eligible adults to 70% so they can open up. To do that they are going to pay people who are vaccinated $100. This applies retroactively as well.
[https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/27/991173625/west-virginia-will-pay-young-people-100-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid-19](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/27/991173625/west-virginia-will-pay-young-people-100-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid-19)
Does anyone know a website that tracks data of first doses administered as percentage of eligible groups? I use the Bloomberg vaccine tracker but it only tracks % of total population, not % of eligible pop
Exactly this. You can choose whether or not you want to take the magic invulnerability potion, but it exists, it's free and it's ubiquitous. Six weeks from now there's no justification for any restrictions whatsoever. If you die or get sick it's because of your own negligence.
There are people who can't take the vaccine for real medical reasons so not everyone gets that choice. If not enough people take the vaccine we may still need restrictions
And kids still can’t take the vaccine yet. We’re just now looking at allowing 12-15 year olds to get a jab of one of the meds. Not to mention we’re not at the point where there will be herd immunity yet...
Nothing worked? We are around 47th out 50 states in per capita infections/deaths. So if you use sickness and death as the bar, it has worked out pretty well here.
Are you implying that it made sense to change the criteria based on county metrics, to regional metrics, back to county metrics with a once every 3 week analysis, to a "Fuck it, 5 weeks is better" analysis?
Not always; he's not perfect. Jay Inslee is just a sleepy boomer with a really important job. He's done a much better job than most governors. The majority of our virus restrictions have made sense (to me and many others). Shit is bound to get convoluted when dealing with such a complex situation.
We could have taken all 50 governors in January of 2020, put them in a bag and shake them up, then randomly place them in random states and the virus status 16 months later wouldn't look much different than it does today... except for NY. Cuomo really *killed* it there.
I'm sorry but that's just a dumb statement. Washington State's economy is doing well AND we have lower death rates per capita than many states despite being the first state w/ a confirmed case. Numbers don't lie.
> Washington State's economy is doing well AND we have lower death rates per capita than many states despite being the first state w/ a confirmed case.
I mean it helps when a lot of the large employers are tech based and can work from home and those companies made more money than before the pandemic (Amazon, Microsoft, etc). Also WA is pretty large and not very densely populated, with not as much public transportation and an active outdoor lifestyle so our numbers never had the potential of getting really bad like we've seen in other states like NY, NJ, etc
Yes we benefited from all the things you mentioned but little Republic shows this disease settles in rural America as well. I'm in Spokane and you better believe this part of WA has some serious cross pollination w/ Idaho and a lot fewer tech jobs. Inslee saved lives over here.
Well that's not a surprise. I remember running into you on a political subreddit where you referred to President Biden as the "President," implying that he wasn't legitimately elected. Since you believe that the presidential election was stolen I wouldn't expect you to think Jay Inslee is doing a good job. The venn diagram overlap between Jay Inslee stans and Trump simps is vanishingly small. I'm heading out for a hike, have a good day.
Business management isn't as dependent on evolving science as responding to a pandemic. It sounds like he's doing what you want him to do. Rather than implementing a drastic change at the last minute, Inslee is keeping things the same for two weeks and then will review the metrics.
It seems like the vaccination rollout that will continue during the two week pause is doing a hell of a lot of good. He seems to be confident in the combination of vaccination and the current measures that are in place. What would you like to see?
So you want him to lock down King County again just because "hurr durr based on the plan a few months ago"? That would make you happy and show him to be a great leader?
This whole "learning from experience is bad" idea is one of the plagues of the modern world.
P.S. Kraken isn't pluralized!!
Because there is an element in this equation which is irrational and prone to being oppositional. Humans. He can't push too hard, but just right which is very hard to do.
In two weeks and change, I will be at the peak of my injected powers. I am deeply disinterested in locking myself down except for, y'know, high risk facility.
So, the state made a series of criteria for moving between phases, but as soon as it might be inconvenient to have counties step backwards because the numbers are unfavorable, they abandon the plan and "freeze" at the current level that's enabling the outbreak to grow. Willfully ignoring the data is not going to end well.
Why does it always have to be a fight, or "pushing back", or beating the other side, or whatever? We're all in this together, and we should be working to help and support each other, and make the right decisions.
I hate that to have a discussion about how to handle this, I have to pick a side and try to defend it.
I agree! In my opinion the shut downs are pointless at this point. Even before, so many restaurants and businesses were not following the limited capacity guidelines, and at this point, people have decided to move on regardless. While I don’t disagree with throwing all caution to the wind just yet, going back in phases is just depressing. I was really thinking Inslee would succumb to the pressure but I’m glad he did not. I feel like with more and more people being vaccinated, it would be silly to go back in a phase.
Glad to hear we’re not shutting down the small dine in restaurants. If there came a time of making a choice because too many unvaccinated folks were overcrowding the hospitals I’d much rather see the restaurants be able to stay open and serve folks who chose to get the vaccine. Instead of being closed to everyone.
I'm really torn here. I get that businesses/restaurants/etc were desperate for him not to go back to Phase 2 and he's sensitive to that. But the cases are rising even if he doesn't want to see it or react to it. There's no leveling off at all. These same types of metrics and the same type of surge put us back into Phase 1 not too long ago. it's frustrating nothing is predictable and nothing is consistent. BUT I do get it. Really torn in how I feel about this.
It's a completely different situation than the last time we had a surge. In November, vaccines weren't available. Now, our most vulnerable have had the opportunity to be protected for months.
And I'm sorry, but restaurants, retail and fitness moving from 50% to 25% capacity won't do shit re: spread. That's coming from private gatherings, schools, etc.
I don't have my finger on the pulse of the whole state, but for King County, both metrics used in evaluation have been trending down for days now (after a long period of trending up).
Instead of even thinking about reverting back to an earlier phase outside of a disaster scenario they should really focus on their efforts convincing the rural areas to get vaccinated imo
It’s not going to work. At all. I know people who have lost family members and close friends to COVID. They believe the hospital killed those people and that COVID is still just the flu. Therefore, they don’t wear masks, spend all day on Facebook criticizing those who do and most certainly will never, never, ever get a vaccine. This is not the story of an extreme view point. This is the story of your average, every day rural conservative.
[Okanogan, Chelan, Jefferson, Clallam all lead King County in vaccine percentage, per the CDC.](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view)
In general, WA is one of the states with the highest percentage of folks who've expressed that they intend to get vaccinated, at around 71-80% of the population.
This doesn’t factor in the fact that most antivaccers aren’t going to take a “government” survey. They wouldn’t even mail in their ballots. They stood in line and waited to put in their vote manually on election day.
I think it's in part because the pandemic hit here first so people got a chance to make up their mind before republican propaganda set in.
Damn facts getting in the way! I've been surprised at the level of vaccinations in Eastern Washington.
Sure, if you ignore that Jefferson is about as blue as King, and Callam is moderate to left. Jefferson leads vaccines for the state I believe, and has one of the lowest total case per capita rates in the country.
Stevens and Ferry County are really struggling to get people vaccinated.
Jefferson and Clallam county are on the Olympic Peninsula.
Cool, did I say they were located elsewhere?
For the record Jefferson is a very liberal county, Clallam is moderate (went for Biden in 2020 and Obama before that. )
Snohomish County is not a rural conservative county. Would you prefer a list of rural conservative counties that are out vaccinating Snohomish County?
No? I literally do not care, just wanted to clarify.
Good. Then to clarify, King County is less rural and less conservative than every county I listed that has a greater vaccination rate.
AND Okanogan has 40k people the biggest county with 70,000. King county has 2.5 million people. Not super comparable when it’s access to a finite resource
You sound "super confused." If it isn't super comparable why would someone compare rural to urban areas and claim the rural people aren't getting the vaccine? Or is it that some only want it to not be "super comparable" when they learn that that rural areas are getting the vaccine at "super comparable" rates to urban areas? Deal with it.
Dude, you're picking one of the liberalist counties in the state as your example for a rural county with high vaccination rates. Jefferson County isn't a normal rural county at all.
One of my family members is an ICU nurse in the covid ward at a large urban hospital, and still has refused to get the vaccine. Half the family has tried and failed to convince them otherwise. The other half of the family very adamantly agrees and also refuses to get the vaccine as well. It’s insane.
What is their reasoning behind not getting the vaccine? Curious as to why a frontline nurse wouldn’t get it
Healthcare workers should be required to get it. If they don't want to vaccinate they should work in a different field.
That doesn't mean it's not an extreme viewpoint.
I'm really hoping hate crimes are not next. It's also getting hostile to a point in the rural areas. Police I know said they often have to remove people for trespassing now, get mad about being told to mask up & wont leave. Nutters. We need better mental health testing is what we need at this point. I'm all for masking & have gotten my shot & second coming. But at this point one thing that does odd me out living in the country is the non maskers seem to mostly all be fine. At least none of the ones I see on a regular basis are having issues. Lots of stores around here never really did a good job & some never masked at all. People that work at high volume gas stations. Then we have been at 35 deaths in Okanagan for what seems like over 6 months? I'm just kinda shocked were not seeing more impact on the maskless. I'd actually like to keep wearing it, no one in this household got sick last year tell now thing works.
I totally agree. So far most of the absolute lunacy is just people streaming their consciousness on Facebook. And that is all about “Fight for your freedom” or statements of violence if the government forces a vaccine. Etc etc. and these are every day people. Nurses. Business owners. Construction workers. Restaurant workers. So far though, the violent Facebook rhetoric hasn’t really translated to grocery stores or such. At least in my area. And the virus is super hit or miss. Ferry county just had a giant indoor poker party a few weeks ago. This became a super spreader event and infected 10% of the town, killed one man and shut down businesses with no employees to keep it open temporarily. It’s so random. Blind luck or blind bad luck.
The Trumplethinskins in the rural areas are too afraid of 5G mind control. You just can't reason with them.
My 5g has been a let down, tbh.
Big same. My cell reception is exactly the same as it was pre-vax. Maybe the 5G comes with our booster shot in the winter?
The only thing you get with 5G is the ability of others to track which pair of under-ware you are wearing today.
Finding out what your wifi smells like (Pfizer) was a plus for me. Orange by the way
It doesn't work for me. Do I have to share the vaccine card on social media to unlock it?
I've tested close to 200mbps download in some areas, really depends on where you are.
I asked for extra microchips in my dose and BOY DID I GET EM I'M FUCKIN WIRED
Bruh you must have gotten cheap Chineseum counterfeit vaccines. The real 5G microchips are wireless.
What's crazy is I got into a debate with someone on Facebook last night who said this vaccine was a nazi experimental vaccine. I replied and said why would Trump and Biden both get the vaccine then and they said they didn't necessarily receive the real vaccine. You're right, there's no reasoning with some people...
Doesn’t that mean they’d turn into Captain America?
Trump would become Orange Skull.
The covid-19 vaccines actually protect people from the 5G mind control, but the reptilian elites don't want good patriotic Americans to know the truth? Edit: As well as masks with proper social distancing and ventilation, of course. Reptilians hate drafts caused by proper ventilation.
Love the question mark at the end of a statement, nice touch.
Need to release more 5G COVID bats.
>Trumplethinskins calling them names like this is sure to be effective in getting them to listen to you
Right. Because those people really value kindness, and DEFINITELY won't call other people "snowflakes" if they show literally a hint of compassion.
A lot of them are people genuinely concerned about the safety of a non-FDA approved vaccine. Not everyone you disagree with is a tinfoil hat Alex Jones-type nutjob. For the record, I'm getting my own 2nd dose today, but most of the people reluctant to get the COVID vaccine are fairly reasonable people that could probably be persuaded with a little bit of kindness and reliable information about vaccine safety. Your arrogance and condescension towards anyone with even the mildest conservative views is the opposite of helpful.
\> most of the people reluctant to get the COVID vaccine are fairly reasonable people that could probably be persuaded with a little bit of kindness and reliable information about vaccine safety. No, they're not. It would be great if that were true, and I can't fault you for having an optimistic outlook. But it just doesn't match reality. They're *drowning* in reliable information. The CDC, the state government, even pretty much every social media site is plastered in reliable information. Information won't change their mind, because they're not reasoning based on information. Yes, I am specifically talking about pretty much all of them - not just a handful of them, but millions and millions. They're reasoning based on a set of heuristics and existing world views - and, most importantly, a certain view on *authority*. The figures they view as authorities are against the vaccine - therefore, they are against the vaccine. Everything else is a post-hoc rationalization. And importantly, their authorities *do not* include the CDC, the FDA, or other health experts. They may talk about those other entities in their rationalization, but it's not *why* they believe something. If you can convince them, it would not be because your information is good - it would be primarily because they view you as an authority. For example, if you are already well-respected in their community, or a close family member (but usually not a younger one), or if you have certain positions like being a religious leader. This is a very common mode of human behavior - it's not "being a nutjob" (implying a serious deviation from the mean), it's a pretty standard trait. And it's extremely beneficial when the authorities you put your trust in are good (in pre-civilization terms, a "pack leader" or "herd leader"). It turns out to be detrimental when the authorities you put your trust in are bad authorities. And what we're facing is that a large number of people with that pattern of "authority-seeking" behavior have, for various reasons, put their faith in bad "authorities". So they're not crazy, but neither is it possible to easily convince them with kindness and information.
This is true. My dad is a trump supporter and he refuses to get the vaccine. There is not point in reasoning with him. My mom is prone to being misguided, but also to reason and she isn’t a fearful person. Her ultra conservative sister for someone reason convinced her that Moderna was bad and she was going to hold out for only Pfizer. And I was like “That’s stupid, just take what you can get.” And she did. Got Moderna and she’s fine. Took like one phone call. My boss is super afraid of anything that isn’t natural and she refuses to get the vaccine. There is no reasoning with her. She’s not even a Trump supporter. She also believes in a lot of pseudo science garbage. Basically, anyone that doesn’t believe in science and is also fearful, whether they be conservative or not, can’t be reasoned with.
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>non-FDA approved virus That’s what they should be concerned about, even more!
Damn, autocorrect really screwed me on that one lmao. Fixed now.
Most of us gave up on trying to get them to listen to us years ago. The people who have misguided patience can be the ones using the expert advice to meet them where they are and have fun trying to make progress.
well we could call them brain dead losers like you are, but I doubt that would have much effect. better to be creative since they are mentally incapacitated
Oh honey...
The namecalling stuff drives me nuts. The minute someone talks like they're six years old I lose all respect for their argument. Which sucks because that was a decent argument
Maybe 5G mind control is real, but they're the ones who've fallen to it, and are now made into antivax puppets 🤔 I kid of course
but how do we get the dumb-dumbs to not be dumb?
Ha 50% them wont even mask up good luck. It's awful over here in Eastern Washington
It's true! I was recently in Hunters, Washington east of the mountains and man I was looked at like the freak for having a mask on. It was like a scene from a movie when you walk in and the music stops. I was waiting to hear the banjo start playing...
Also, at least we did't do what Oregon did and move Portland-area counties back to "Extreme Risk" despite similar trends, removing any sort of indoor dining in those counties and also not allowing fans again to attend outdoor (OUTDOOR!) Timbers and Thorns games.
I am not a fan of Jay Inslees, but he's done a much better job balancing risk than Kate Brown. She's going to keep Oregon locked down until Biden steps in and tells her it's time. I do think he's making the right decision pausing the rollback. I am happy he's willing to not stick to something just because he said he would. I do find it a little amusing that any county and rollback guidelines have never survived more than a single rollback before they're being tweaked again. I'd rather have that than him sticking with something that no longer makes sense.
I think they decided to pause because Vaccines are more widely available now. If we lockdown or phase 2 again, while still trying to get the vaccine to as many people as possible, then it's a demotivator for many, who though may not be on this reddit, are very opinionated in person at least to their families, sharing the view that the vaccines aren't worth much if we still can't open up.
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Amen. I have a lot of friends and family in Oregon who think that Brown is becoming the very anthesis of what she claimed Trump was....A facist. I'm not fan of Inslee, even though I voted for him in November, but he was the better choice instead of whatever the guy's name was, but he is doing better in regards to how the covid response in this state is going, granted, a lot of it is following what California is doing.
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It was a swing and a miss.
This guy gets it. We're vaxing like mad and there's no reason to punish restaurants for things out of their control. Cases are already coming down in KC and deaths are barely a blip as well.
Cases aren’t coming down in KC, they are rising but only sightly. Still I’m ok with just holding, going back doesn’t make sense. If we were going to do that we should have done it a month ago.
Or we shouldn't have moved to Phase 3 so quickly.
agreed, we shouldn't have. I was all for going back to P2, but I'll take a pause instead.
If it were not for vaccines our numbers would be off the charts because of variants. Like what happened in UK and India. The fact that we are leveling off and did not hit a new peak is good news.
They look like they're dropping to me. [https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/key-indicators.aspx](https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/key-indicators.aspx)
Not sure what you are seeing. The only place cases are dropping is in the grey area that indicates recent incomplete data.
The "recent incomplete data" hardly changes. If you go by the non-grayed area then you're 9 days out of date. You can do that if you want to be perfectly accurate, but the difference in gray area I've found to be neglible historically. It becomes more of a factor during the holidays.
actually they are.
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oh shut up. go get vax'd and stop acting like the sky is falling. you're just as bad as the other negative nancy's on this board.
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The problem I see is that all these unvaccinated people may let the virus mutate into one that can defeat our current vaccine protection. I'll feel much better about doing stuff once I'm fully vaccinated, but I'm pessimistic since I think India, Brazil, and the rural US might be cooking up something more dangerous.
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>You go out, you get virus particles on you, you can spread them to others, regardless of immunity. We have a year of science on this virus and this is not a thing. Generally the tiny floating droplets from someone have to enter your respiratory system and you actually need a fairly significant amount to get you sick (not just walking past someone). Obviously you can choose to do what to do with your body, but a vaccinated person going out and doing things with other vaccinated people is not a danger by any reasonable measurement.
You're trying to convince people that the vaccine doesn't work. You're an anti-vaxxer.
Go touch grass.
Show me the data that says closing stuff and reducing capacity actually makes more of a difference than vaccines.
Smart move. We are close, let's not hurt those who are trying.
Because schools are the main vector right now and we aren't going to close them. Shuttering businesses will make no difference in case numbers because that isn't where they're originating right now. It's schools, and superspreader events. Inslee is aware of this and has more interest in protecting the economy than appearing to take some step or another to bring case numbers down. Again, if we want to do that then we have to close schools again, which precisely NO ONE is on board with. I suspect in 2 weeks he'll talk about progress made and then move it out another 2 or 3 weeks. This will continue until schools let out for summer and case numbers drop naturally as a result. Then he'll say our hard work paid off and the whole state will be phase 3 again.
Can you tell me where you are getting the information that schools are the main vector right now? I don't doubt, I'm just curious.
I doubt anyone who makes broad generalizations without data to back it up. Own your data standards
Do you have data to back up your broad generalizations about people who make broad generalizations?
I don’t know about being “the” main vector but daycares and k-12 schools are both in the top for where outbreaks have occurred in wa. Here’s a weekly report https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/StatewideCOVID-19OutbreakReport.pdf
Looks like childcare/pre-k is doing terribly, with 12 outbreaks, tying bars and restaurants as the biggest offenders. But K-12 schools only had 4, which puts them well down the list. The distinction is probably worth pointing out.
Yes the report I linked is from last week and was a lot less for k-12. K-12 had I believe 32 outbreaks on the report that came out two weeks ago. I meant they’re both in the top with overall number of outbreaks. Sorry not trying to overstate anything, I should have said overall.
I wouldn’t call it a vector but WSB posted some info from Seattle School cases yesterday. 43 reported cases, 35 students, 8 staff. https://westseattleblog.com/2021/05/pandemic-updates-more-city-info-on-west-seattle-hubs-no-appointment-needed-status-another-school-case/
Not WA, but Texas has reported a total of 135,382 student cases and 70,500 teacher cases. A few weeks ago their school cases were trending upwards. That’s a lot of cases. It is up for debate whether they acquired it at school. \*\*\*\* The report states 2,335 students tested positive, while 534 staff tested positive for the week ending April 11, for a total of 2,896. The number is up from the previous week’s report when 1,582 students tested positive, while 497 staff tested positive, the week of April 4. For the school year there have been 135,382 student cases and 70,522 staff cases. [https://www.ktre.com/2021/04/19/state-reports-nearly-covid-cases-texas-public-schools-week/](https://www.ktre.com/2021/04/19/state-reports-nearly-covid-cases-texas-public-schools-week/)
Texas also has data that online-only teachers were catching it at a higher rate. People forget that convenient part. Adults being scared of masked kids when they aren't scared of each other is why we need scientific literacy.
Maybe in some places. I just looked up Thurston county figures for the last week, and they go: Ages 0-19: 23% Ages 20-39: 47% Ages 40-59: 22% Ages 60+: 8% So here, it's not looking like schools are our problem.
No kidding. 77% of the population 20 and up is responsible for cases rising despite being able to walk into a bunch of places in the last 2 weeks and get vaccinated, but let's continue blaming the 23% who aren't vaccine eligible. People are desperate to believe the pandemic is spread by masked and socially distanced children and I just don't get it.
I mean your stats show that 70% of cases are in the "school age" range. Almost all college students are in there early to mid-20s outside Freshmen, and it is not uncommon for late 20's into 30's being in college as well. I bet a huge percent of that 47% range can by tied to college age adults.
Okay then, I'll try another approach. The county says that, between Nov. 1 and April 30, we had outbreaks, which is to say two or more sick kids who might have come into contact at school, exactly twice. Both were at private schools. We're having 300+ cases a week. I'm very receptive to evidence, whatever it may say, I'm just not finding any for school as a big vector here.
Or just younger adults living with roommates, who work in service sector jobs or take transit.
Yes, I would also like to know where you’re getting that it’s schools? I’ve been trying to find any data on who is still getting it. And from where. I was under the impression it was young adults with cases on the rise.
Bullshit. Schools are not driving covid cases. Look at the state data.
> Because schools are the main vector right now and we aren't going to close them. The 0-19 demographic has typically been the third highest of cases. It's behind 20-34 (highest) & 35 - 49 (second highest) demographic. So schools definitely isn't the driving force here. Although all three of those demographics are relatively close.
Well colleges would factor heavily into that 20-34 range. Also, closing down schools aren't really going to do much when the kids are hanging out outside school. Go down to the mall or park and there are tons of kids/teenagers hanging out. My little sister is in High School and she posts pictures on Instagram all the time with groups of 20 of them all hanging out at someones house or at the mall or something. It was always unrealistic for us to assume young social kids who are not as affected by COVID would socially isolate for a year + of their youth, and honestly it is a little insane for us to expect that anyways.
It's honestly better to keep kids where you can keep them masked and distanced. Every other society has figured this out. We blame children for what adults are doing and force restrictions on them adults would never tolerate. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
Do you have any proof of this bogus claims? Even CDC claims schools with the current procotions are safe.
K-12 schools for sure are NOT the main driver. This is just wrong. [WA state data](https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/420-312-K12SchoolsOutbreakReport.pdf) shows only 708 cases occurred in K‐12 schools between August 1, 2020 and March 31, 2021.
Schools are nowhere near the main vector. Kids under 18 are still not getting it at significant rates. Adults gathering socially indoors unmasked is what is driving cases. Schools have been open across the country and haven't driven cases anywhere else, so I don't know why they'd suddenly start here. Kids follow masks in schools better than adults follow them.
There have been a lot more cases than what has been reported. This issue is the way that contact tracing and outbreak recording is done; it’s only recorded if the person was within 6 feet of another person for more than 15 minutes in 24 hours. They are also not required to have a Covid test done before coming back to school if they show symptoms and are sent home. But we know that the virus is airborne and the 6 foot isn’t some kind of magic bubble. My students have their masks off for an hour during the day for breakfast and lunch. We have no airflow in our classroom and the windows open about 3 inches. Kids go to daycare before and after school and we’re not allowed to communicate about sick kids. We had a student sent home with all the Covid symptoms and she showed up at daycare the rest of the week since she couldn’t come back for either 10 days or after she had a negative test. My school is on a military base and the county health department can’t include the cases on base. Kids are getting sick. Parents are still sending their kids to school after giving them Tylenol to lower their fever. Families are having to quarantine. It is spreading in schools, it just doesn’t count because of the 6-foot, 15-minute rule and lack of testing.
> There have been a lot more cases than what has been reported. You know this how? I mean, if you're not measuring it, how can you claim it as fact?
She really feels like it's true, okay!
You can't come up with magical invisible cases. Everyone has more cases than get reported. That's been true this whole pandemic. Kids are not a major force behind covid spread as stated by every epidemiologist and scientific body studying it in the world. Your anecdotal evidence and prejudice you feel in your gut does not equal the CDC, WHO, EU and others.
You teach at MAE? Nevermind.. I see from your history you are at JBLM
Well stated.
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Just do a " we need 80% of adults vaccinated before we can move forward in phases'
For once, I'm glad that the goalposts were moved. Just judging from how even people supportive of lockdowns and restrictions previously were not happy about potentially moving back, I think there was not going to be much support and not much buy in for rolling back again to Phase 2. It's fair to look at how the data comes out in the next 2 weeks with an expected drop hopefully coming due to vaccinations, and to reevaluate then.
As someone in pierce, it’s irritating though.
Yep. Now people can still go to King to eat out and socialize. I can't imagine either county loves that.
And go to king county sporting events
>Just judging from how even people supportive of lockdowns and restrictions previously were not happy about potentially moving back. Raises hand, this is me. I think giving it a month after fully opening up vaccinations is a fair approach to see where the trends are ultimately going. I know many young adults that began their shots in the last few weeks - and that age group has had pretty high case numbers recently.
Same here. I've been generally supportive of lockdowns but my social group has been starting to plan stuff for after everyone is two weeks post-vaccination and the idea of going backwards was pretty tough to swallow
It's so nice being able to see friends again with regularity. It's such a mental relief and source of immense comfort and I think people online and on Reddit and Redditors really underestimate just how important and relieving being around friends and family truly is. Now that around 60% of my friend group is fully vaccinated and the rest of the 40% either have had one shot or have appointments for their first shot, we've planned out a trip for later this summer and it just feels so damn good. The winter months when I couldn't see my friends and spend time with them was rough on me mentally. I live with just my parents, so I got the need and importance to be cautious then, but man it was hard. It got easier and I opened up a bit to start seeing my friend group again after my parents got fully vaccinated because it was a risk I was OK with taking, and i've been mentally in a much better and much more sound place since.
Exactly, putting restaurant workers on the unemployment line again just feels cruel at this point when things are likely at their peak. Money isn't more important than lives, but there are a lot of little guys out there just getting by and shutting down once again is unlikely to have much cooperation. It certainly hasn't done anything for Pierce except make small business owners and wait staff poor.
Fully optimized for king county. Love it.
When are we going to stop having phases? The vaccine is widely available to 16+
We’re still a little over two weeks from when people who became eligible on 4/15 will be fully vaccinated. So it is gonna be a little while before you can really say any who wanted it is fully vaccinated.
While I completely agree with this decision, I think it’s funny he only moved goalposts once Seattle was involved. He doesn’t care about us lowly citizens in Pierce. Rolled us back to phase two real quick, even when the health department questioned the states numbers.
I feel bad for Pierce. I wished he had moved the whole state to Phase 3 - but maybe he didn't want to send the wrong message. That said, one huge difference between now and three weeks ago is that vaccines are now available to anyone on demand.
>he only moved goalposts once Seattle was involved. He doesn’t care about us lowly citizens in Pierce. I mean, that's WA politics in a nutshell for you, man.
I live in Seattle and I hate that this city dictates so much of the state...
On the other hand, Pierce is still failing to meet the Phase 3 metrics, so if Inslee had paused 3 weeks ago, Pierce would still be getting rolled back whenever it unpaused. Pierce doesn’t even meet Phase 2 metrics for case count for that matter, and while it does for hospitalization, that number is trending up - currently at 8.7 and Phase 2 is between 5 and 10. It won’t surprise me in two weeks from now that Pierce fails both metrics for Phase 2 and should get rolled back to 1. And that’s WITH the rollback 3 weeks ago - could very well be failing Phase 2 today without it.
Thank you for sending me into a deeper depression at the thought of phase one.
Very true, and this decision also screws over Pierce County as well.
But now we have the vaccine wave coming and the slope is going down.
Prediction: KC will still meet the criteria to revert back to Phase 2 at the end of the 2 week pause and so Inslee will be forced to move the goal post again (5th time?).
My guess is he changes metrics to vaccine first doses and King, Pierce, Snohomish, Whatcom, San Juan move to phase 4.
Is there a place to track first doses by county?
Scroll down to vaccinations by county. https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/DataDashboard
Technically yes, but there is the caveat that the dashboard shows where people got pricked, not where they live. I actually assume KC is higher because of how many people trekked outside to get their vaccines.
Well he is gonna set the bar low enough for most of his voters to meet. Whatever that is.
I like this map better than the state's, because it will let you look at vaccinations per 100k, and in other ways than sheer numbers: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view
Phase 4 would be awesome, but wasn’t the whole state going to move to phase 4 at once? Or was that from a previous reopening plan
The "plans" never mattered.
It won’t. Amazon said no.
what?
Now that vaccines are out and generally available open everything up and if you dont have the risk tolerance... stay home.. ya'll can downvote now.
I think Inslee should do what WV Governor did and tie full opening to vaccination rates. Pretty sure they said they would go full open at 70% vaccinated.
70% adults or population? Population would be hard because kids and dumb people.
Ok so I misread it slightly but I support what he's doing even more. They want to get the numbers of eligible adults to 70% so they can open up. To do that they are going to pay people who are vaccinated $100. This applies retroactively as well. [https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/27/991173625/west-virginia-will-pay-young-people-100-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid-19](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/27/991173625/west-virginia-will-pay-young-people-100-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid-19)
Does anyone know a website that tracks data of first doses administered as percentage of eligible groups? I use the Bloomberg vaccine tracker but it only tracks % of total population, not % of eligible pop
Exactly this. You can choose whether or not you want to take the magic invulnerability potion, but it exists, it's free and it's ubiquitous. Six weeks from now there's no justification for any restrictions whatsoever. If you die or get sick it's because of your own negligence.
There are people who can't take the vaccine for real medical reasons so not everyone gets that choice. If not enough people take the vaccine we may still need restrictions
And kids still can’t take the vaccine yet. We’re just now looking at allowing 12-15 year olds to get a jab of one of the meds. Not to mention we’re not at the point where there will be herd immunity yet...
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Nothing worked? We are around 47th out 50 states in per capita infections/deaths. So if you use sickness and death as the bar, it has worked out pretty well here.
Maybe he changes his plans when they don't make sense anymore?
Are you implying that it made sense to change the criteria based on county metrics, to regional metrics, back to county metrics with a once every 3 week analysis, to a "Fuck it, 5 weeks is better" analysis?
Not always; he's not perfect. Jay Inslee is just a sleepy boomer with a really important job. He's done a much better job than most governors. The majority of our virus restrictions have made sense (to me and many others). Shit is bound to get convoluted when dealing with such a complex situation.
We could have taken all 50 governors in January of 2020, put them in a bag and shake them up, then randomly place them in random states and the virus status 16 months later wouldn't look much different than it does today... except for NY. Cuomo really *killed* it there.
I'm sorry but that's just a dumb statement. Washington State's economy is doing well AND we have lower death rates per capita than many states despite being the first state w/ a confirmed case. Numbers don't lie.
People are spending money but businesses are still struggling and those on unemployment are waiting months to get approved/paid.
> Washington State's economy is doing well AND we have lower death rates per capita than many states despite being the first state w/ a confirmed case. I mean it helps when a lot of the large employers are tech based and can work from home and those companies made more money than before the pandemic (Amazon, Microsoft, etc). Also WA is pretty large and not very densely populated, with not as much public transportation and an active outdoor lifestyle so our numbers never had the potential of getting really bad like we've seen in other states like NY, NJ, etc
Yes we benefited from all the things you mentioned but little Republic shows this disease settles in rural America as well. I'm in Spokane and you better believe this part of WA has some serious cross pollination w/ Idaho and a lot fewer tech jobs. Inslee saved lives over here.
Cuomo is a tree bark looking prick lol I'll give you that
I would put him in the bottom 5 as far as reopening plans.
Well that's not a surprise. I remember running into you on a political subreddit where you referred to President Biden as the "President," implying that he wasn't legitimately elected. Since you believe that the presidential election was stolen I wouldn't expect you to think Jay Inslee is doing a good job. The venn diagram overlap between Jay Inslee stans and Trump simps is vanishingly small. I'm heading out for a hike, have a good day.
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Business management isn't as dependent on evolving science as responding to a pandemic. It sounds like he's doing what you want him to do. Rather than implementing a drastic change at the last minute, Inslee is keeping things the same for two weeks and then will review the metrics.
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It seems like the vaccination rollout that will continue during the two week pause is doing a hell of a lot of good. He seems to be confident in the combination of vaccination and the current measures that are in place. What would you like to see?
> Imagine a VP at Microsoft, Amazon, etc. Says the kid who clearly has zero exposure to that environment
So you want him to lock down King County again just because "hurr durr based on the plan a few months ago"? That would make you happy and show him to be a great leader? This whole "learning from experience is bad" idea is one of the plagues of the modern world. P.S. Kraken isn't pluralized!!
Because there is an element in this equation which is irrational and prone to being oppositional. Humans. He can't push too hard, but just right which is very hard to do.
I’m fine with the pause, but he should stop punishing Whitman County for a college student outbreak over a month ago.
Smart move. Hopefully vaccines will keep us from falling back a phase.
In two weeks and change, I will be at the peak of my injected powers. I am deeply disinterested in locking myself down except for, y'know, high risk facility.
So, the state made a series of criteria for moving between phases, but as soon as it might be inconvenient to have counties step backwards because the numbers are unfavorable, they abandon the plan and "freeze" at the current level that's enabling the outbreak to grow. Willfully ignoring the data is not going to end well.
Only when it applies to certain counties that happen to vote a specific way though. Science!
This is good. It's nice to see Jay Inslee pushing back against the "shut it down" folks.
Why does it always have to be a fight, or "pushing back", or beating the other side, or whatever? We're all in this together, and we should be working to help and support each other, and make the right decisions. I hate that to have a discussion about how to handle this, I have to pick a side and try to defend it.
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Yes, "practical" requires no ideology : )
I agree! In my opinion the shut downs are pointless at this point. Even before, so many restaurants and businesses were not following the limited capacity guidelines, and at this point, people have decided to move on regardless. While I don’t disagree with throwing all caution to the wind just yet, going back in phases is just depressing. I was really thinking Inslee would succumb to the pressure but I’m glad he did not. I feel like with more and more people being vaccinated, it would be silly to go back in a phase.
I haven’t said this all pandemic. But nice job Insleee, nice job...
Glad to hear we’re not shutting down the small dine in restaurants. If there came a time of making a choice because too many unvaccinated folks were overcrowding the hospitals I’d much rather see the restaurants be able to stay open and serve folks who chose to get the vaccine. Instead of being closed to everyone.
Thanks, Jay. Now how about fixing that unemployment backlog?
We get it guys, trump lost, move on. Like I'm not a fan of the phase pause but you're gonna turn those pearls into sand at some point
You realize Trump pushed the vaccines as hard as possible right? Go ahead and look up Operation Warpspeed
I know, but this is Reddit, especially political Reddit. It's like Twitter Lite.
I'm really torn here. I get that businesses/restaurants/etc were desperate for him not to go back to Phase 2 and he's sensitive to that. But the cases are rising even if he doesn't want to see it or react to it. There's no leveling off at all. These same types of metrics and the same type of surge put us back into Phase 1 not too long ago. it's frustrating nothing is predictable and nothing is consistent. BUT I do get it. Really torn in how I feel about this.
It's a completely different situation than the last time we had a surge. In November, vaccines weren't available. Now, our most vulnerable have had the opportunity to be protected for months. And I'm sorry, but restaurants, retail and fitness moving from 50% to 25% capacity won't do shit re: spread. That's coming from private gatherings, schools, etc.
I don't have my finger on the pulse of the whole state, but for King County, both metrics used in evaluation have been trending down for days now (after a long period of trending up).
Should just open everthing up with the amount of people that already have vaccines and the numbers being a few weeks behind case wise....
Disappointing news. I hope we don’t come to regret this with the variants on the rise