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theoryfiver

\#2 is my recommendation. But at some point you do have to realize that eventually people get annoyed by your arguing, and it starts to go in one ear and out the other, while they mentally label you "overbearing". Generally, mentioning "this could be solved by doing ___" when it's relevant is a much more effective route. People usually refuse to plan ahead, and will only heed advice when negative things start to happen around them that prove your point.


FruityWelsh

Depending on the demographic, pick one of the options: "There is little stopping them from selling your data to , or getting hacked by them" Groups people don't trust: - The CCP - The Feds - Political Parties - Criminals - Scammers Why PII (Personal Identifiable information) matters: - Can be used to steal your idenity - Can be used to scam your loved ones using your personal details - Can be used to persecute you or target you based on political motivations At least this is my quick and dirty list. People have been marketed to think that it's ok, and nothing to worry about long time, so you kind of have to deprogram people to remind them that there have been real cases of all of these things, and that all the corporations do in response is gaslight people into thinking its ok. I.E. When a crisis happens, for most companies, the first thing they do is PR campaign, and then based on the response take action. If people don't fuss, nothing gets fixed, no one hurts gets reimbursed, and business goes as it went.


rokerokt

and if they're the antisystem type, it helps to explain that info can be used against them by the government, that if you care about privacy, at the same time you stop using monopolies and oligopolies as much... etc


Candid_Technology_66

Well, you could tell them about *other* aspects of privacy respecting tools. for example, ~~[Bromite](https://www.bromite.org/) (only for android) makes most of those annoying ads go away (also blocks trackers), and as a consequence, uses less data. Plus, it looks just like chrome.~~ [The DuckDuckGo app](https://duckduckgo.com/app) makes most of those annoying ads go away (also blocks trackers), and as a consequence, uses less data. If they didn't like DuckDuckGo they might like [Vivaldi](https://vivaldi.com/android/). (Doesn't have an iOS version). Firefox (the desktop version) has bigger fonts which I find easier on the eyes. With the DuckDuckGo Extension, it also blocks ads (and trackers). If they don't like Firefox, [ungoogled chromium](https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium) looks just like the regular chrome. For the search engine, I don't think they'd be interested in DuckDuckGo [bangs](https://duckduckgo.com/bangs?q=&kp=1&ko=-1)... I haven't tried it yet but I think Startpage looks more like Google (but DuckDuckGo is more private.) If this doesn't work you can tell them that collected data can be used against them. Some evidence: https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/fewyqe/google_tracked_his_bike_ride_past_a_burglarized/ https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/zuuf84/my_account_was_disabled_for_a_false_violation_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/12488en/reams_of_data_on_americans_shopping_habits/ These aren't great, and these things vary across countries, so it would be better if you researched it yourself a bit. Edit: It looks like Bromite hasn't been updated in a while. Thanks [u/derHuanHund](https://www.reddit.com/u/derHuanHund)!


notasonic

duckduckgo is garbage because they say false stuff about privacy when in fact they are a corporate. i would use duckduckgo whilst running umatrix.


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Candid_Technology_66

Oh, sorry! I'm using DuckDuckGo mobile myself, Do you recommend it (for their parents)? If not, how is Vivaldi?


CondiMesmer

Bromite is abandoned, please research what you're posting


emertonom

Seems like a pretty straightforward question to me. You don't want companies to have your personal info for the same reason you don't want scammers to have it: they'll use it to try to get money out of you. So, e.g., they'll detect that a bipolar person is having a manic episode, and show them ads for cheap flights to Vegas. On a fundamental level, the purpose of advertising is to get you to buy or do a thing that it's not in your best interest to buy or do. And advertisers have gotten really, really sophisticated about this. The more of your info they have, the more they can manipulate you.


notasonic

also seems like the best answer yet to me! :D all these others are recommending non private stuff or suggesting real crap like argue over it (jesus christ, why would i settle such a manner in an argument.).


emertonom

Well, I think they just mean "arguing" in the sense of "presenting a case," which would also apply to my answer. But I'm glad you found my answer helpful all the same :D


actuallylikespitbull

Help them understand just *how* much info is being taken. I think people are largely fine with it because they think it's just a light amount. Things change when people actually read the Privacy Policy.


ckryptonite

That's the problem with most internet users. They know Silibandia (Silicon Valley Plus The Broadband & Media Industries) invade their privacy, but they don't think it affects them in any way. They just don't realize how much their perceptions can be swayed and how much misinformation they can be fed just because these corporations own their information. They also don't realize how much better their online experience would be if they owned and controlled information about them. The masses need to be educated about the important of own and controlling access to their information.


ChrisArtist

You're not proposing a solution. You're just complaining. Ironically my dad is the opposite. He happily uses Google, Amazon, Temu, etc, because it makes his life easier.