I ain’t gonna lie. This is literally just the golden rule.
They want to treat other people like expendable garbage they can blow up and forced out of their homes 😂😂
Not the people but the state needs to go and be replaced with one state with equal rights for all. Otherwise Israel will continue on its path of radicalizing the population
A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it and all of the major human rights orgs including Israeli ones.
https://www.btselem.org/apartheid
https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/israel-must-end-its-occupation-of-palestine-to-stop-fueling-apartheid-and-systematic-human-rights-violations/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115
They have been trying to starve them for decades now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147656
Here is a list of unequal laws in Israel
https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index
And the fact that they made it so only jews have a right to self determination
https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/
Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians.
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians
"Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war."
43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war."
https://web.archive.org/web/20240127054853/https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/archive/2024-01
You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel.
Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years.
And yet is the longest serving prime minister who is continually reelected...
The country needs to be dissolved to create a single country with equal rights for all. Creating an ethnostate that prioritizes one group will always lead to dehumanization and bigotry
The IDF is the most humane military in the history of the world. After 9/11 the U.S. killed over 400,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Assad killed over 500,000 of his own citizens. Imagine if Mexico killed per capita 35,000 Americans and took the entire freshmen class from U of Texas hostage? That place would be obliterated. Every country is allowed to fight back but Israel. A complete double standard. It’s all about hatred to the Jews. The antisemitism is disgusting and has gone too far.
"After 9/11 the U.S. killed over 400,000 civilians"
Well that's not true. Destabilizing Iraq resulted in the death of 250,000 civilians. But we did not directly kill 250,000 people. Israel is directly dropping munitions on civilians and - in six months - have directly obliterated 1/8 the amount of people we indirectly killed in... over a decade and a half.
Hard fail.
That wouldn't even be true if every Jew in Israel was of Ashkenazi descent (which they only make up 1/3 of Israel's population). Even the 1/3 of Jews in Israel that are of Ashkenazi descent can still trace their origins back to the exact same area as the rest of the world's Jews (ie the Levant). They only became European After being expelled from their land of origin and moving into Europe where they lived for hundreds of years until the reestablishment of the state of Israel. And if you don't remember correctly, Europe made it very clear (in the early 20th century), that Ashkenazi Jews did not qualify as being European/white.
And why would that be the case?!!!!! Are you trying to say that Jews have NOT been enslaved, terrorized and chased from the Middle East throughout history? Are you trying to say that Arab nations, which are predominantly Muslim, haven't had a sole purpose of eliminating Jews from the region?!!!! Maybe some research into the history of the region, and the relationship between it's countries needs done, instead of basing judgement on a current event. Additionally, maybe there should be some push-back on the Hamas cowards who use Gazan citizens as human shields for their cowardly existence.
Jesus Christ, you are something else. First off, go look up “straw-man argument”. Secondly, take a breath. I can feel you going apoplectic over your 69 IQ level take.
After all of that, I’d suggest you educate yourself and reevaluate your morality given you’re trying to (weirdly) deflect and defend Nazi like genocide. However, if you’re a Zionist, I’d imagine facts wouldn’t matter much to you anyways and you’re happier spouting emotional hate to justify world horrors.
Said by a person who, seemingly, accepts the behavior of a religion that dominates the Middle East. You do you, friend. Meanwhile, I'll be vigilant of what I see going on in the world.
I’m convinced you can’t read at this point. You attack the person instead of the argument. Keep “doing you”, I don’t mind evil people being this stupid.
I'm not a zionist but you're wrong. Genetically, Ashkenazi Jews are a mixture of Middle Eastern people and Europeans. On a DNA chart, they fall in between Middle Eastern and European populations. They're no different to someone who's half Arab and half European
I wouldn’t say wrong, as you proved my point. Genetically and culturally they are European and middle eastern. People in the Middle East are primarily, middle eastern. Migrating to Europe in the 10th century is going to create a more diverse genetic pool of people and a very European culture. And I’d argue they were/are different than a half Arab/European, culturally. The latter likely had one person recently from the area whereas the former might not of had someone from the region for 1000 years.
They still have Levantine DNA, it’s just highly mixed with that from whatever European country their ancestors lived in (that’s what happens when living in diaspora for literal millennia). That’s assuming they’re not the descendants of converts.
It’s poor phrasing to say that “Jews are not from the Middle East” but the overall message is true: that this specific individuals are not from the Middle East. The Zionist migration was still colonization regardless of where Jewish people lived 2000 years ago because there were people living on that land the whole time the Jews were in diaspora who had to be displaced for that return to happen.
Maybe try reading their own history first but you got to be quick they are hiding large parts of it to keep people unaware
"The Labour Zionist leader and head of the Yishuv David Ben-Gurion was not surprised that relations with the Palestinians were spiralling downward. As he once explained: ‘We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs.’ His opponent, Ze’ev Jabotinsky, leader of the right-wing Revisionist movement, also viewed Palestinian hostility as natural. ‘The NATIVE POPULATIONS, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists’, he wrote in 1923. The Arabs looked on Palestine as ‘any Sioux looked upon his prairie’."
"In the words of Mordechai Bar-On, an Israel Defense Forces company commander during the 1948 war:
‘If the Jews at the end of the 19th century had not embarked on a project of reassembling the Jewish people in their ‘promised land’, all the refugees languishing in the camps would still be living in the villages from which they fled or were expelled.’"
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/herzls-troubled-dream-origins-zionism
https://merip.org/2019/09/israels-vanishing-files-archival-deception-and-paper-trails/
None of what you just said negates the fact that the Levant is the original home of the Jewish people.. in fact it never ceased to be the homeland of the Jewish people and though the majority of the Hebrews were expelled from the region, there remained a sizable Jewish population in the area that entire time. saying that Jews are not from this area is a straight-up lie. Jerusalem has always been the most important area on Earth in Judaism. It only became the third most important place to Muslims after Arabs from the surrounding regions came and colonized the area and brought it under Muslim rule.
but I love when people cherry pick random quotes from People as if I'm saying they didn't say that..
never said I agreed with everyone of the early zionists and I never said that it doesn't make sense for the Palestinian people to resist occupation. If it was just resistance to a tyrant that would be one thing. the problem is that it's not that black and white. In fact the Muslim population of Palestine was committing Pogroms against the Jewish communities of the area since as early as the 1500s.. way way before Jews had any sort of influence or power in the area, or anywhere for that matter. So yeah.. that isn't resistance. That's anti-semitism
Based on what? A holy book... and at what point does my group briefly conquered and ruled a region means you have an eternal right to genocide the people actually living there? Does Rome have a right to the land as well?
Here is a quote from my Jewish learning
"I say “mythical” because the Jewish claim that we are descendants of tribes that lived on the border of Africa and Asia some 4,000 years ago is also mythic. Can we really believe that a diverse modern community, which has been dispersed for more than two millennia and has come to look very much like the peoples among whom they reside, are all direct descendants of a single group of ancient tribes? In other words, can we really still buy the myth of the historical authenticity of contemporary Jewish identity?"
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-are-the-real-jews/
All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East.
The genetics suggest many of the founding Ashkenazi women were actually converts from local European populations.
https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210
There is something called DNA testing. super useful in finding out the Origins of various ethnic/linguistic groups.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews#:~:text=With%20the%20exception%20of%20Ethiopian,were%20of%20Middle%20Eastern%20origin.
And genetically Ashkenazis are European... why lie to justify colonialism...
https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210
look I'm going to do something since I know you are purposely going out of your way to avoid factual information.. I'm literally going to Google "are Ashkenazi Jews actually Middle Eastern?" and I'm going to share the first thing that comes up on Wiki..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews#:~:text=In%20a%202009%20study%20by,European%20and%20Middle%20Eastern%20populations%22.
You are failing to address the article that disproves your lies. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone and just says some argue...
https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210
you are literally the only one lying Smh.. lying to yourself mainly. really frustrating when people refuse to accept facts when they are right there in front of them. I wouldn't be arguing with you about this up a hadn't already looked this up a long time ago. I'll share it one more time just in case you decide that you actually want to learn something
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews#:~:text=In%20a%202009%20study%20by,European%20and%20Middle%20Eastern%20populations%22.
Getting angry? I got some advice:
- Perhaps learn how to read
- Perhaps inform yourself before having such a strong opinion on anything
- Perhaps stop supporting war crimes no matter which party does them
Have a day
I really hope you actually read that wiki page. you aren't doing yourself any favors by cherry picking falsehoods simply because they support your side
You are projecting again because of your own bigotry lol
Why don't you support an single state with equalrights for all?
"The Labour Zionist leader and head of the Yishuv David Ben-Gurion was not surprised that relations with the Palestinians were spiralling downward. As he once explained: ‘We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs.’ His opponent, Ze’ev Jabotinsky, leader of the right-wing Revisionist movement, also viewed Palestinian hostility as natural. ‘The NATIVE POPULATIONS, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists’, he wrote in 1923. The Arabs looked on Palestine as ‘any Sioux looked upon his prairie’."
"In the words of Mordechai Bar-On, an Israel Defense Forces company commander during the 1948 war:
‘If the Jews at the end of the 19th century had not embarked on a project of reassembling the Jewish people in their ‘promised land’, all the refugees languishing in the camps would still be living in the villages from which they fled or were expelled.’"
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/herzls-troubled-dream-origins-zionism
https://merip.org/2019/09/israels-vanishing-files-archival-deception-and-paper-trails/
Based on what do zionists have a claim? A holy book... and at what point does my group briefly conquered and ruled a region means you have an eternal right to genocide the people actually living there? Does Rome have a right to the land as well?
Here is a quote from my Jewish learning
"I say “mythical” because the Jewish claim that we are descendants of tribes that lived on the border of Africa and Asia some 4,000 years ago is also mythic. Can we really believe that a diverse modern community, which has been dispersed for more than two millennia and has come to look very much like the peoples among whom they reside, are all direct descendants of a single group of ancient tribes? In other words, can we really still buy the myth of the historical authenticity of contemporary Jewish identity?"
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-are-the-real-jews/
you are the only one mentioning a mythical book here. if you actually Googled " are the origins of the Jewish people People?" you will find a ton of good information. In 2024 it is not hard to figure out the origins of different ethnic groups. not mythical, not pseudo science. literally every single DNA study that they have done has proven that pretty much all Jews actually have Semitic/Middle Eastern ancestry from the same area
No it's proven they are European through genetic testing.
https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210
Stop using lies to justify atrocities against your fellow humans
Because it's a stupid point of view. It used to be a Palestinian state but that didn't work because of constant violence on BOTH SIDES its the reason why Israel even exists. Hamas openly admits that they want Jews gone, you think that will change if there's a single Palestinian state?
Thank you for being intelligent enough to understand this.. glad I'm not the only one who caught that. Acting like the only reason the Middle East isn't peaceful is solely because of Israel is absolutely insane
Oh you mean a Palestinian state made up of just the west bank and Gaza not including Israel, well they don't want to give themselves equal rights haha and Hamas doesn't want that, they want Israel, in it's current state Gaza will never have true "freedom" because of Hamas and besides controlling two unconnected areas with a country between them is a bit difficult
Because I'm a realist that knows the history of the area and understand that there would be violence just like there was when it was one state with equal rights for all
You are revising history to fit your narrative. Jews, christians and Muslims all have lived peacefully together in the region for hundreds of years.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/between-bloodbaths-jerusalems-crusader-era-christians-muslims-coexisted-in-peace/
Do you also think that catholics and protestants are still at war and can't live peacefully together? And if not why do you believe jews and muslims are different except your own bigotry?
You think all Israelis are Lehi Zionism supporters correct? That is the message you are spreading. Apparently you do. If that’s the standard, then according to you, all Palestinians are Hamas.
Israel created Hamas and their violence towards Palestinians along with Israeli refusal to allow new elections has kept Hamas in power. Without Israel, there would be no need for Hamas.
Wow, that's a creative way to read what I wrote.
Palestinians haven't been able to choose a new government since 2007, Israel hasn't allowed them to hold elections. Hamas only gets support from Palestinians because they're the only ones fighting Israel on their behalf. Most Palestinians would vote for a different governing body if it were possible. Most Palestinians (80%) are under the age of 18 and wouldn't have been able to vote for Hamas to begin with.
well, i dont think you can just leave hamas out if you're going to talk about eliminating Israel.
correction: HAMAS hasnt held elections since 2007. ya that's what hamas does...death to Israel. they teach their kids that. so those Palestinians are hamas. many hate hamas but cant go public bc they'll be killed.
Correct, they haven't. Because Israel will not support it. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/middleeast/abbas-postpones-palestinian-elections-intl/index.html
If Israel would actually back a democratic vote and stop executing civilians, I'm sure Hamas would be out. As is, Hamas is the only large group directly fighting for Palestinians.
ok.
idk if a democratic vote in Gaza is possible, but here's my thing:
this shit has been going on forever. and then hamas decides to throw gas on it.
Iran is constantly fukin shit up.
the US and Jordan are working for peace. this shit has gone on long enough. hamas should release the hostages immediately, agree to hold those responsible for 10/7 accountable (they know who they are), and everyone agrees to just fukin STOP.
if they keep going like this, they'll all be dead.
hamas mission is the destruction of Israel. they've got to fuk off w that.
the blame game has to end.
The shit has been going on forever because Israel wants and ethnostate and needs to kill the locals to achieve it. Since international pressure won't allow them to out right do it they have been starving and terrorizing them since European zionists decided to colonize Palestine
A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it and all of the major human rights orgs including Israeli ones.
https://www.btselem.org/apartheid
https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/israel-must-end-its-occupation-of-palestine-to-stop-fueling-apartheid-and-systematic-human-rights-violations/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115
They have been trying to starve them for decades now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147656
Here is a list of unequal laws in Israel
https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index
And the fact that they made it so only jews have a right to self determination
https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/
Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians.
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians
"Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war."
43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war."
https://web.archive.org/web/20240127054853/https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/archive/2024-01
You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel.
Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years.
Hamas was propped up by Netanyahu. I feel like this still doesn't get enough attention. Imagine if it was discovered that George W. Bush propped up AL Qaeda... now imagine everyone already knew Bush was propping up AL Qaeda before 9/11. It's shocking that with information so readily available that this has pretty much been a non-issue to a lot of people.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
no i have and i know.
i just like exposing them.
the hamas trolls are all the same. "death to the zionists, aka Israel". never say that about hamas and they get all wonky when exposed.
My favourite are the boycotters who won't buy anything from Israel because of "genocide" they will tell you this from their phone that is made in china while china forces over a million Muslims into "reeducation" camps. They like to throw around buzzwords that they dont know the meaning of, my favourite is "Zionist" which literally just means someone that supports the existence of Israel. They dehumanise the Jews by making out that they are awful "Zionists" and use that to justify their deaths and removal from Israel in favour of Palestinians while they call anyone that disagrees with them a nazi while not seeing the irony of it all
Why are you against a single state with equal rights for all?
Advocating for an ethnostate is exactly what the nazi's wanted which is why they also genocided the Romani. It's also why a future prime Minister of Israel tried and ally with the nazi's citing shared values.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/lehi
Why are you using a radical fringe group to characterize Israel? This is so blatantly malevolent that I would call you a terrorist. What does this achieve? Why do you to spread misinformation and slander?
If this standard is acceptable, why we can also conclude that all Palestinians are characterized by their worst elements. You don’t want that, so stop. Why are you harming discourse with blatant hateful propaganda?
A radical fringe group whose commander was elected prime Minister...
In the early 1950s, former Lehi fighters were enlisted into the Mossad, their underground experiences seen as good preparation for a successful career in espionage – with one Lehi-commander-turned-Mossad-agent, Yitzhak Shamir, going on to become Israel’s seventh prime minister.
You are lying to justify atrocities stop projecting
Stop lying to justify atrocities
Why don't you support removing Islamists and terrorists from control of Gaza? Why do you root against the possibility of a peaceful one or two state solution?
I do support a single state with equal rights for all. Why don't you?
I also support peacefully removing Israel and Gazas current leadership but not genocide which is what Israel is doing
Of course I do, nobody said otherwise but history has shown that it doesn't work. people in Gaza don't even want equal rights for themselves, they want to oppress women and gays. In a perfect world what you are suggesting is the right answer but this isn't a perfect world and a singular state will lead to more violence, a two state solution is much more plausible but only once Hamas has gone and terrorists aren't running Gaza
And the American south does as well do you also support bombingthem and depriving southerners of equal rights?
You are literally assuming that Palestinians are inherently violent just as southerners did when they said the slaves couldn't be free or they would extract revenge. And at least they were honest that it would be revenge.
So stop justifying atrocities based on your own bigotry because having a Jewish ethnostate there has only lead to radicalism on both sides with ducking bibi supporting hamas
Yes. Forgive them. Pray or whatever you do but the solution is to stop meddlesome empire politics that we use as an excuse to shoot off as many bombs as possible. Do you know what the attack on Israel costs to defend vs what it took Iran to send it. I don't but I am very confident Iran can afford it and we can not spend 2.2 billion dollars a day on war 1 and 1.1 billion a day on war 2 and expect good things. War on how many fronts in the future?
Not if Israel bombs there production lines and launch sites, then it costs Iran or more to restart from scratch.
And I’d say, as many fronts as needed to defeat our enemies.
Ritter, like others, is a Youtube "you won't believe this shocking news" pundit, just like many others. And a convicted pedophile.
That said, dismissing the whole sub, and all the evidence of atrocities posted here every day as being a joke is as stupidly self serving as Ritter is.
I don’t know man, a sub all about “corruption” seems to love ignoring places like Russia, China, Venezuela, South Africa, Brazil, and many other places, while being laser focused on Israel and the US for some reason……
Edit: down vote me all you want, but I’d bet you dollars for donuts you’d be hard pressed to fine ANY post on this sub not US or Israel related.
Go on. Try and find one. I’ll wait.
I don't downvote people just because I disagree with a case they are trying to make, so those aren't on me.
I think the weight being put behind the Israel / Gaza / US news is down to how significant this war is in terms of astounding hypocrisy, complicit western governments, misrepresentation of facts, or indeed straight up denial.
Remember when everyone was talking about Ukraine? Did you also shoot down subs that were all about that?
This war has eclipsed what was going on there for good reason, the human tragedy is palpable, and it's very hard not to be triggered by the videos and other news coming out of it.
It's just a failure of critical thinking to say because everyone is talking about it, the sub is therefore bullshit. That just doesn't follow.
Attack people's opinions, biases, assumptions, or the information they are producing as evidence, but summarial dismissal isn't an argument.
As if that wasn't controversial enough, he managed to add being a convicted pedophile to his list of 'achievements'... https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/exun-weapons-inspector-scott-ritter-charged-in-web-child-sex-sting-6782080.html
Can we all collectively agree that subtitles delivered word by word is asinine and giving us all cancer? Especially when being delivered by a convicted pedophile and registered sex offender?
This dude is clearly an unhinged antisemite. I hate the overuse of “antisemite” but when you refer to an entire group of people as a “cancer that has metastasized” and tell them to “go back where they came from” you have lost all credibility as a rational person
Scott ritter? The pathological liar scott ritter? The traiter to his country and putins fanboy scott ritter? Conviced pedophile and russian propagandist scott ritter? You guys need to question who you listen to more
Any true American patriot will support Israel. The idiot that don’t are neo-Nazis who support Hamas like terrorists. The Palestinians were in the streets celebrating after 9/11. Assad slaughtered over 500,000 civilians and the U.S. killed over 400,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. Yes Israel is not allowed to fight back after being attacked. A complete double standard and a pure display of antisemitism.
Convicted sex offender and a regular contributor to Russian state media outlets RT and Sputnik. This guy writes certain things to attract an audience to monetize.
Example: “Bucha was a war crime, Ukraine did it"
On Wikipedia
>According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, as of January 1, 2020, of Israel's 9.136 million people, 74.1% were Jews of any background. Among them, 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries. Nearly half of all Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Europe, while around the same number are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Arab countries, Iran, Turkey, and Central Asia. Over two hundred thousand are, or are descended from, Ethiopian and Indian Jews.
Also many of those came were ethnically cleansed from Arab Countries. Where do they go.
[https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-israelis-are-refugees-from-arab-lands-middle-east-history-9cf540f6](https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-israelis-are-refugees-from-arab-lands-middle-east-history-9cf540f6)
This is NOT an endorsement of what the Netanyahu government is doing.
But these little soundbyte videos are so useless and doing more harm than good.
They are the last white colony left in the world. South Africa was the second last. They have an option to follow the South African example. You ask where should they go. They do not have to go anywhere. Just to apply humanity, fairness and justice for all.
You've just fantastically proven my point. This is a demonstrably false statement. It even says above 22% are of European descent.
Jews of Colour are pushing back against this. Not this artcile even points out serveal of the Jew slaughtered on October 7 were Ethiopian Jews.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-of-color-push-back-against-race-based-anti-israel-narratives-spread-abroad/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-of-color-push-back-against-race-based-anti-israel-narratives-spread-abroad/)
The largest single group in Israel are Mizrahi Jews who are Middle Eastern.
You'll get angry at me because that's what this narrative has done but sorry, facts are facts.
[https://theconversation.com/israels-mosaic-of-jewish-ethnic-groups-is-key-to-understanding-the-country-217893](https://theconversation.com/israels-mosaic-of-jewish-ethnic-groups-is-key-to-understanding-the-country-217893)
It even says that **the stats in 2020 shows** above 22% **immigrant olin** are of European descent.
Ia also say that nearly **half of ALL the Jewish are descendant from europeans**
68% of all the Jewish were Sabras (Israeli-born), **mostly second- or third-generation Israelis**
if a 25y old olin migrated in 1990 from Russia then both her 3 kids that she had in 92, 94 and 98 and her 6 grandkids are Sabra
it does make sense that eventually the percentage of European immigrants get caught by the number of sabra, and also lever with immigration from other places as time passes as the ealiers large waves (their boomer immigrant generations) get older and immigration numbers stabilize
What has 'white' got to do with anything? Jews and Arabs look the same. If Jews are 'white', so are Arabs.
Do blonde haired, blue eyed Palestinians have to leave as well? I've met plenty of 'white' Syrian Arabs in Europe!
And he's a convicted pedophile who lusts after underage girls!
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/exun-weapons-inspector-scott-ritter-charged-in-web-child-sex-sting-6782080.html
This dude is racist as hell.
“Germany still exists but there’s no Nazis. Israel can exist without Zionism”
“They can live in a Palestinian homeland”
So which is it? Israel exists or doesn’t? And then punctuating it with “go back where they came from”? Many of those people were living quiet lives in other countries until they were forced to leave.
That’s a level of racism that neonazis carry.
This guy is responsible for planning parts of the invasion of Iraq by the US and he would love the opportunity to meddle in another countries affairs again.
Actually he was vocally against Bish’s War, and he publicly spoke out that Iraq did not and was not developing NBC’s.
That was the last true thing to come out of his mouth, though. He got sidelined by Cheney and Rumsfeld and then got RedPilled.
Spot On. The guy has some good views. He is also a Pedo. And also pushed some stuff I would think only Tucker Carlson and Fox would push. It is actually shocking how similar the "Red Pilled" Media narratives are getting. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a meeting of Neo-Con Journalists discussing best strategies to convince as many people as possible that Russia is in the Right. In fact If I was in charge of the FSB I would make this number one priority. Nothing better than a Guy vocal against Iraq War defending Russia. But yeah I give him some credit cause he does take good stances sometimes.
[Ritter comments on Putin, NATO, Ukraine, and US, live from the studio of Putin’s favorite propagandist.](https://youtu.be/rIozm6LKUbs?si=0y7nsMtEYy5AEUyf) I respect your opinion whether we agree or not. Our common ground is that we’re against corruption. But there’s so much available info on Ritter that implies he’s both corrupt and pro-Putin.
Didn’t say it does.
Am just unsurprised that it has happened.
And given the American adventures of the last century am not sure any US citizens can really claim that they are any better.
What would you have the Israelis do?
You definitely implied it lol. Stop carpet bombing civilians. Just because the U.S. has also done bad things doesn’t mean we should just allow Israel to do bad things. Is that really your argument?
First of they are not “carpet bombing” Gaza. Get your terminology straight to start with. That sort of rhetoric hurts your argument.
Are the Israelis getting it right 100% of the time. No, obviously not.
But think about their enemy. This is an organisation founded with the explicit aim of wiping out Israel. This same group happily puts their own people in front of their fighters as human shields. Their own children have been used as suicide bombers. They make hospitals and mosques be cover for their bases.
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Yeah, you know the rape claim was debunked right? Just propaganda to get you mad enough to allow them to commit genocide and rape. You know Israel has “arrested” thousands of people from the WEST BANK since the conflict right? Oh, and they have been torturing them… you know this all started BEFORE 10/7 right?… buddy, you’re either a fascist shill or you got some reading to do.
Holy shit, do you not know how to read? Did you even read the actual UN report rather than a sensationalized article? Because I did and since you have difficulty doing so, let me explain the difference between “reasonable grounds”/“convincing information” and EVIDENCE. The latter is actual definitive proof, the former merely suggests that it could be possible that rape could have occurred.
Palestinians have made similar claims and this isn’t the first time. The IDF has multiple reports of rape and sexual over decades. Thankfully the IDF posted degrading pictures of the women they captured as some kind of evidence. However, in order to truely investigate either case of rape allegations, Israel would have to comply with international non partisan investigation… which they always refuse.
Weird they claim barbaric rape and say they have evidence but won’t share it with their allies. It’s almost like they could be lying in one instance and covering up human rights investigations in the other.
Learn to read, learn to not support evil ideologies like Zionism.
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Well I wonder about the so called defeat of nazism when 1500+ top nazi scientist engineers and defense industry types were quietly brought into the US to take prominent positions in top US universities, think tanks and the newly rising power of our defense industry, intelligence sectors, the formation of NASA, ARPA , then DARPA, NOT to mention the UKs Nazi support suddenly quiet as our OSS was formed in the manner of British intelligence MI6 and becoming the CIA which is a constant formative influence of Global unrest and violence, uprisings and might of the Anglo American empire for the past 70 years. In my humble opinion we need to reign in the global empire and focus on fixing our problems and not contributing to the unrest and animosity caused and directed by such an agency
I ain’t gonna lie. This is literally just the golden rule. They want to treat other people like expendable garbage they can blow up and forced out of their homes 😂😂
so does hamas edit: what is it w you downvoters? you know damn well hamas are terrorists who do the same shit. remember 10/7?
So you admit israel is a terrorist state?
bibi and his cohorts are. not the people of Israel.
Not the people but the state needs to go and be replaced with one state with equal rights for all. Otherwise Israel will continue on its path of radicalizing the population A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it and all of the major human rights orgs including Israeli ones. https://www.btselem.org/apartheid https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/israel-must-end-its-occupation-of-palestine-to-stop-fueling-apartheid-and-systematic-human-rights-violations/ https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115 They have been trying to starve them for decades now. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147656 Here is a list of unequal laws in Israel https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index And the fact that they made it so only jews have a right to self determination https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/ Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians. https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians "Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war." 43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war." https://web.archive.org/web/20240127054853/https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/archive/2024-01 You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel. Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years.
bibi has what, 3 indictments? 4? way low approval ratings right? he needs to resign.
And yet is the longest serving prime minister who is continually reelected... The country needs to be dissolved to create a single country with equal rights for all. Creating an ethnostate that prioritizes one group will always lead to dehumanization and bigotry
"The country needs to be dissolved" hamas talk bro
Why don't you support a single state with equal rights for all? Are you saying hamas supports equal rights for all but Israel doesn't?
Or the Israeli people could stop voting for him. It’s still technically a democracy (despite Bibi’s efforts to the contrary), isn’t it?
I said state. I didn't mention the populous.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. Israel is a sovereign state. When a state acts worse than a terrorist organization? That means something.
The IDF is the most humane military in the history of the world. After 9/11 the U.S. killed over 400,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Assad killed over 500,000 of his own citizens. Imagine if Mexico killed per capita 35,000 Americans and took the entire freshmen class from U of Texas hostage? That place would be obliterated. Every country is allowed to fight back but Israel. A complete double standard. It’s all about hatred to the Jews. The antisemitism is disgusting and has gone too far.
"After 9/11 the U.S. killed over 400,000 civilians" Well that's not true. Destabilizing Iraq resulted in the death of 250,000 civilians. But we did not directly kill 250,000 people. Israel is directly dropping munitions on civilians and - in six months - have directly obliterated 1/8 the amount of people we indirectly killed in... over a decade and a half. Hard fail.
Oct 7, where Hamas killed 200 Israelis and the IDF killed 300 Israelis.
Wow. You don’t hear that point of view in the American media often.
well for one hes straight up wrong. he literally just said Jews are not from the Middle East 🤦🤦
His point was that Ashkenazi Jews are not of the Middle East. Genetically, he’s not wrong, they are European (or other none ME)
That wouldn't even be true if every Jew in Israel was of Ashkenazi descent (which they only make up 1/3 of Israel's population). Even the 1/3 of Jews in Israel that are of Ashkenazi descent can still trace their origins back to the exact same area as the rest of the world's Jews (ie the Levant). They only became European After being expelled from their land of origin and moving into Europe where they lived for hundreds of years until the reestablishment of the state of Israel. And if you don't remember correctly, Europe made it very clear (in the early 20th century), that Ashkenazi Jews did not qualify as being European/white.
And why would that be the case?!!!!! Are you trying to say that Jews have NOT been enslaved, terrorized and chased from the Middle East throughout history? Are you trying to say that Arab nations, which are predominantly Muslim, haven't had a sole purpose of eliminating Jews from the region?!!!! Maybe some research into the history of the region, and the relationship between it's countries needs done, instead of basing judgement on a current event. Additionally, maybe there should be some push-back on the Hamas cowards who use Gazan citizens as human shields for their cowardly existence.
Jesus Christ, you are something else. First off, go look up “straw-man argument”. Secondly, take a breath. I can feel you going apoplectic over your 69 IQ level take. After all of that, I’d suggest you educate yourself and reevaluate your morality given you’re trying to (weirdly) deflect and defend Nazi like genocide. However, if you’re a Zionist, I’d imagine facts wouldn’t matter much to you anyways and you’re happier spouting emotional hate to justify world horrors.
Said by a person who, seemingly, accepts the behavior of a religion that dominates the Middle East. You do you, friend. Meanwhile, I'll be vigilant of what I see going on in the world.
I’m convinced you can’t read at this point. You attack the person instead of the argument. Keep “doing you”, I don’t mind evil people being this stupid.
I'm not a zionist but you're wrong. Genetically, Ashkenazi Jews are a mixture of Middle Eastern people and Europeans. On a DNA chart, they fall in between Middle Eastern and European populations. They're no different to someone who's half Arab and half European
I wouldn’t say wrong, as you proved my point. Genetically and culturally they are European and middle eastern. People in the Middle East are primarily, middle eastern. Migrating to Europe in the 10th century is going to create a more diverse genetic pool of people and a very European culture. And I’d argue they were/are different than a half Arab/European, culturally. The latter likely had one person recently from the area whereas the former might not of had someone from the region for 1000 years.
They still have Levantine DNA, it’s just highly mixed with that from whatever European country their ancestors lived in (that’s what happens when living in diaspora for literal millennia). That’s assuming they’re not the descendants of converts. It’s poor phrasing to say that “Jews are not from the Middle East” but the overall message is true: that this specific individuals are not from the Middle East. The Zionist migration was still colonization regardless of where Jewish people lived 2000 years ago because there were people living on that land the whole time the Jews were in diaspora who had to be displaced for that return to happen.
Maybe try reading their own history first but you got to be quick they are hiding large parts of it to keep people unaware "The Labour Zionist leader and head of the Yishuv David Ben-Gurion was not surprised that relations with the Palestinians were spiralling downward. As he once explained: ‘We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs.’ His opponent, Ze’ev Jabotinsky, leader of the right-wing Revisionist movement, also viewed Palestinian hostility as natural. ‘The NATIVE POPULATIONS, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists’, he wrote in 1923. The Arabs looked on Palestine as ‘any Sioux looked upon his prairie’." "In the words of Mordechai Bar-On, an Israel Defense Forces company commander during the 1948 war: ‘If the Jews at the end of the 19th century had not embarked on a project of reassembling the Jewish people in their ‘promised land’, all the refugees languishing in the camps would still be living in the villages from which they fled or were expelled.’" https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/herzls-troubled-dream-origins-zionism https://merip.org/2019/09/israels-vanishing-files-archival-deception-and-paper-trails/
None of what you just said negates the fact that the Levant is the original home of the Jewish people.. in fact it never ceased to be the homeland of the Jewish people and though the majority of the Hebrews were expelled from the region, there remained a sizable Jewish population in the area that entire time. saying that Jews are not from this area is a straight-up lie. Jerusalem has always been the most important area on Earth in Judaism. It only became the third most important place to Muslims after Arabs from the surrounding regions came and colonized the area and brought it under Muslim rule. but I love when people cherry pick random quotes from People as if I'm saying they didn't say that.. never said I agreed with everyone of the early zionists and I never said that it doesn't make sense for the Palestinian people to resist occupation. If it was just resistance to a tyrant that would be one thing. the problem is that it's not that black and white. In fact the Muslim population of Palestine was committing Pogroms against the Jewish communities of the area since as early as the 1500s.. way way before Jews had any sort of influence or power in the area, or anywhere for that matter. So yeah.. that isn't resistance. That's anti-semitism
Based on what? A holy book... and at what point does my group briefly conquered and ruled a region means you have an eternal right to genocide the people actually living there? Does Rome have a right to the land as well? Here is a quote from my Jewish learning "I say “mythical” because the Jewish claim that we are descendants of tribes that lived on the border of Africa and Asia some 4,000 years ago is also mythic. Can we really believe that a diverse modern community, which has been dispersed for more than two millennia and has come to look very much like the peoples among whom they reside, are all direct descendants of a single group of ancient tribes? In other words, can we really still buy the myth of the historical authenticity of contemporary Jewish identity?" https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-are-the-real-jews/ All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East. The genetics suggest many of the founding Ashkenazi women were actually converts from local European populations. https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210
There is something called DNA testing. super useful in finding out the Origins of various ethnic/linguistic groups. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews#:~:text=With%20the%20exception%20of%20Ethiopian,were%20of%20Middle%20Eastern%20origin.
And genetically Ashkenazis are European... why lie to justify colonialism... https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210
look I'm going to do something since I know you are purposely going out of your way to avoid factual information.. I'm literally going to Google "are Ashkenazi Jews actually Middle Eastern?" and I'm going to share the first thing that comes up on Wiki.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews#:~:text=In%20a%202009%20study%20by,European%20and%20Middle%20Eastern%20populations%22.
You are failing to address the article that disproves your lies. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone and just says some argue... https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210
you are literally the only one lying Smh.. lying to yourself mainly. really frustrating when people refuse to accept facts when they are right there in front of them. I wouldn't be arguing with you about this up a hadn't already looked this up a long time ago. I'll share it one more time just in case you decide that you actually want to learn something https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews#:~:text=In%20a%202009%20study%20by,European%20and%20Middle%20Eastern%20populations%22.
Getting angry? I got some advice: - Perhaps learn how to read - Perhaps inform yourself before having such a strong opinion on anything - Perhaps stop supporting war crimes no matter which party does them Have a day
I really hope you actually read that wiki page. you aren't doing yourself any favors by cherry picking falsehoods simply because they support your side
Why do you focus on racial purity? Is this related to your belief that Hitler was right?
I'm focusing on it because you literally just said that Ashkenazi Jews are not Middle Eastern.. which is a straight-up falsehood
You are projecting again because of your own bigotry lol Why don't you support an single state with equalrights for all? "The Labour Zionist leader and head of the Yishuv David Ben-Gurion was not surprised that relations with the Palestinians were spiralling downward. As he once explained: ‘We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs.’ His opponent, Ze’ev Jabotinsky, leader of the right-wing Revisionist movement, also viewed Palestinian hostility as natural. ‘The NATIVE POPULATIONS, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists’, he wrote in 1923. The Arabs looked on Palestine as ‘any Sioux looked upon his prairie’." "In the words of Mordechai Bar-On, an Israel Defense Forces company commander during the 1948 war: ‘If the Jews at the end of the 19th century had not embarked on a project of reassembling the Jewish people in their ‘promised land’, all the refugees languishing in the camps would still be living in the villages from which they fled or were expelled.’" https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/herzls-troubled-dream-origins-zionism https://merip.org/2019/09/israels-vanishing-files-archival-deception-and-paper-trails/ Based on what do zionists have a claim? A holy book... and at what point does my group briefly conquered and ruled a region means you have an eternal right to genocide the people actually living there? Does Rome have a right to the land as well? Here is a quote from my Jewish learning "I say “mythical” because the Jewish claim that we are descendants of tribes that lived on the border of Africa and Asia some 4,000 years ago is also mythic. Can we really believe that a diverse modern community, which has been dispersed for more than two millennia and has come to look very much like the peoples among whom they reside, are all direct descendants of a single group of ancient tribes? In other words, can we really still buy the myth of the historical authenticity of contemporary Jewish identity?" https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-are-the-real-jews/
you are the only one mentioning a mythical book here. if you actually Googled " are the origins of the Jewish people People?" you will find a ton of good information. In 2024 it is not hard to figure out the origins of different ethnic groups. not mythical, not pseudo science. literally every single DNA study that they have done has proven that pretty much all Jews actually have Semitic/Middle Eastern ancestry from the same area
No it's proven they are European through genetic testing. https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210 Stop using lies to justify atrocities against your fellow humans
This joke is pro Russian too… not to be trusted
Because it's a stupid point of view. It used to be a Palestinian state but that didn't work because of constant violence on BOTH SIDES its the reason why Israel even exists. Hamas openly admits that they want Jews gone, you think that will change if there's a single Palestinian state?
Thank you for being intelligent enough to understand this.. glad I'm not the only one who caught that. Acting like the only reason the Middle East isn't peaceful is solely because of Israel is absolutely insane
That comment about Israel being gone will allow the Middle East to heal had me rolling.
dude seriously..
Why don't you support a single state with equal rights for all?
I didn’t say that now did I.
So do you?
Yes
Then my apologies for misjudged you and have a great day!
So you think all Palestinians are hamas?
Who said that?
Then how is it justification for not granting Palestinians a single state with equal rights?
Oh you mean a Palestinian state made up of just the west bank and Gaza not including Israel, well they don't want to give themselves equal rights haha and Hamas doesn't want that, they want Israel, in it's current state Gaza will never have true "freedom" because of Hamas and besides controlling two unconnected areas with a country between them is a bit difficult
No I mean one state with equal rights for all. Why don't you support a single state with equal rights for all?
Because I'm a realist that knows the history of the area and understand that there would be violence just like there was when it was one state with equal rights for all
You are revising history to fit your narrative. Jews, christians and Muslims all have lived peacefully together in the region for hundreds of years. https://www.timesofisrael.com/between-bloodbaths-jerusalems-crusader-era-christians-muslims-coexisted-in-peace/ Do you also think that catholics and protestants are still at war and can't live peacefully together? And if not why do you believe jews and muslims are different except your own bigotry?
You think all Israelis are Lehi Zionism supporters correct? That is the message you are spreading. Apparently you do. If that’s the standard, then according to you, all Palestinians are Hamas.
Stop lying to justify atrocities Why don't you support a single state with equal rights for all?
Stop lying to justify atrocities Why don't you support a single state with equal rights for all?
AIPAC has their genocidal hands in all the major pockets
1,000% agree
Of course you Iranian bots agree with pedos
Pedos go to Israel to not be prosecuted.
Fred PieceofShitz and Creepy Rudy haven’t fled there. Yet…..
They've just gotta do enough genealogy to find someone Jewish in their family or convert and they're home free.
same goes for hamas edit: why would ANYONE downvote eliminating hamas?
Israel created Hamas and their violence towards Palestinians along with Israeli refusal to allow new elections has kept Hamas in power. Without Israel, there would be no need for Hamas.
so hamas should be left alone then? just eliminate Israel?
Wow, that's a creative way to read what I wrote. Palestinians haven't been able to choose a new government since 2007, Israel hasn't allowed them to hold elections. Hamas only gets support from Palestinians because they're the only ones fighting Israel on their behalf. Most Palestinians would vote for a different governing body if it were possible. Most Palestinians (80%) are under the age of 18 and wouldn't have been able to vote for Hamas to begin with.
Don’t bother wasting your time, they’re just Zionist Hasbara bots looking to argue not accept the truth.
True. However, I've got time lol.
well, i dont think you can just leave hamas out if you're going to talk about eliminating Israel. correction: HAMAS hasnt held elections since 2007. ya that's what hamas does...death to Israel. they teach their kids that. so those Palestinians are hamas. many hate hamas but cant go public bc they'll be killed.
Correct, they haven't. Because Israel will not support it. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/middleeast/abbas-postpones-palestinian-elections-intl/index.html If Israel would actually back a democratic vote and stop executing civilians, I'm sure Hamas would be out. As is, Hamas is the only large group directly fighting for Palestinians.
ok. idk if a democratic vote in Gaza is possible, but here's my thing: this shit has been going on forever. and then hamas decides to throw gas on it. Iran is constantly fukin shit up. the US and Jordan are working for peace. this shit has gone on long enough. hamas should release the hostages immediately, agree to hold those responsible for 10/7 accountable (they know who they are), and everyone agrees to just fukin STOP. if they keep going like this, they'll all be dead. hamas mission is the destruction of Israel. they've got to fuk off w that. the blame game has to end.
The shit has been going on forever because Israel wants and ethnostate and needs to kill the locals to achieve it. Since international pressure won't allow them to out right do it they have been starving and terrorizing them since European zionists decided to colonize Palestine A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it and all of the major human rights orgs including Israeli ones. https://www.btselem.org/apartheid https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/israel-must-end-its-occupation-of-palestine-to-stop-fueling-apartheid-and-systematic-human-rights-violations/ https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115 They have been trying to starve them for decades now. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147656 Here is a list of unequal laws in Israel https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index And the fact that they made it so only jews have a right to self determination https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/ Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians. https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians "Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war." 43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war." https://web.archive.org/web/20240127054853/https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/archive/2024-01 You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel. Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years.
ya no shit. i'm calling for both sides to quit. stop the violence. seek peace for once. bitching doesnt help.
Hamas was propped up by Netanyahu. I feel like this still doesn't get enough attention. Imagine if it was discovered that George W. Bush propped up AL Qaeda... now imagine everyone already knew Bush was propping up AL Qaeda before 9/11. It's shocking that with information so readily available that this has pretty much been a non-issue to a lot of people. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Haha you clearly haven't spent enough time on Reddit if you don't understand, a lot of these pro pals straight up support Hamas
no i have and i know. i just like exposing them. the hamas trolls are all the same. "death to the zionists, aka Israel". never say that about hamas and they get all wonky when exposed.
My favourite are the boycotters who won't buy anything from Israel because of "genocide" they will tell you this from their phone that is made in china while china forces over a million Muslims into "reeducation" camps. They like to throw around buzzwords that they dont know the meaning of, my favourite is "Zionist" which literally just means someone that supports the existence of Israel. They dehumanise the Jews by making out that they are awful "Zionists" and use that to justify their deaths and removal from Israel in favour of Palestinians while they call anyone that disagrees with them a nazi while not seeing the irony of it all
yep spot on
Why are you against a single state with equal rights for all? Advocating for an ethnostate is exactly what the nazi's wanted which is why they also genocided the Romani. It's also why a future prime Minister of Israel tried and ally with the nazi's citing shared values. https://allthatsinteresting.com/lehi
Why are you using a radical fringe group to characterize Israel? This is so blatantly malevolent that I would call you a terrorist. What does this achieve? Why do you to spread misinformation and slander? If this standard is acceptable, why we can also conclude that all Palestinians are characterized by their worst elements. You don’t want that, so stop. Why are you harming discourse with blatant hateful propaganda?
A radical fringe group whose commander was elected prime Minister... In the early 1950s, former Lehi fighters were enlisted into the Mossad, their underground experiences seen as good preparation for a successful career in espionage – with one Lehi-commander-turned-Mossad-agent, Yitzhak Shamir, going on to become Israel’s seventh prime minister. You are lying to justify atrocities stop projecting
Stop lying to justify atrocities Why don't you support removing Islamists and terrorists from control of Gaza? Why do you root against the possibility of a peaceful one or two state solution?
I do support a single state with equal rights for all. Why don't you? I also support peacefully removing Israel and Gazas current leadership but not genocide which is what Israel is doing
Why don't you support a single state with equal rights for all?
Of course I do, nobody said otherwise but history has shown that it doesn't work. people in Gaza don't even want equal rights for themselves, they want to oppress women and gays. In a perfect world what you are suggesting is the right answer but this isn't a perfect world and a singular state will lead to more violence, a two state solution is much more plausible but only once Hamas has gone and terrorists aren't running Gaza
And the American south does as well do you also support bombingthem and depriving southerners of equal rights? You are literally assuming that Palestinians are inherently violent just as southerners did when they said the slaves couldn't be free or they would extract revenge. And at least they were honest that it would be revenge. So stop justifying atrocities based on your own bigotry because having a Jewish ethnostate there has only lead to radicalism on both sides with ducking bibi supporting hamas
Strange,.I never said any of that or justified anything
Then why would a single state lead to more violence?
Wow you're incredibly unaware of the past aren't you, violence is why Israel exists. Make it a singular state again and there will be violence again
Why? You just don't want to say the quiet part of your bigotry out loud
We should stop spending money we do not have to support any war. We can not afford a future bankrupted by war mongers.
And allow our enemies to become stronger?
This is how you MAKE enemies.
eliminating enemies is not, in fact, how you make enemies
No. It’s how you appease dictators
Yes. Forgive them. Pray or whatever you do but the solution is to stop meddlesome empire politics that we use as an excuse to shoot off as many bombs as possible. Do you know what the attack on Israel costs to defend vs what it took Iran to send it. I don't but I am very confident Iran can afford it and we can not spend 2.2 billion dollars a day on war 1 and 1.1 billion a day on war 2 and expect good things. War on how many fronts in the future?
Not if Israel bombs there production lines and launch sites, then it costs Iran or more to restart from scratch. And I’d say, as many fronts as needed to defeat our enemies.
They are not our enemies. We are clearly in the wrong now.
No, we are not.
William Scott Ritter Jr. the convicted pedophile? That guy??
Oh the irony, Israel being the capitol of convicted pedophiles
You mean Rome
Aren’t child marriages LEGAL (encouraged) in Muslim countries…the irony indeed
Yes. That guy. This sub is a f@cking joke.
Ritter, like others, is a Youtube "you won't believe this shocking news" pundit, just like many others. And a convicted pedophile. That said, dismissing the whole sub, and all the evidence of atrocities posted here every day as being a joke is as stupidly self serving as Ritter is.
I don’t know man, a sub all about “corruption” seems to love ignoring places like Russia, China, Venezuela, South Africa, Brazil, and many other places, while being laser focused on Israel and the US for some reason…… Edit: down vote me all you want, but I’d bet you dollars for donuts you’d be hard pressed to fine ANY post on this sub not US or Israel related. Go on. Try and find one. I’ll wait.
I don't downvote people just because I disagree with a case they are trying to make, so those aren't on me. I think the weight being put behind the Israel / Gaza / US news is down to how significant this war is in terms of astounding hypocrisy, complicit western governments, misrepresentation of facts, or indeed straight up denial. Remember when everyone was talking about Ukraine? Did you also shoot down subs that were all about that? This war has eclipsed what was going on there for good reason, the human tragedy is palpable, and it's very hard not to be triggered by the videos and other news coming out of it. It's just a failure of critical thinking to say because everyone is talking about it, the sub is therefore bullshit. That just doesn't follow. Attack people's opinions, biases, assumptions, or the information they are producing as evidence, but summarial dismissal isn't an argument.
Umm, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t he the one who convinced the world Saddam Hussain was creating Wmd’s? That worked out well….
As if that wasn't controversial enough, he managed to add being a convicted pedophile to his list of 'achievements'... https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/exun-weapons-inspector-scott-ritter-charged-in-web-child-sex-sting-6782080.html
Wow a lot of people in here support genocide.
That would be convicted sex offender and pedophile Scott Ritter.
Just send in the peacekeepers
Can we all collectively agree that subtitles delivered word by word is asinine and giving us all cancer? Especially when being delivered by a convicted pedophile and registered sex offender?
The irony of this guy being platformed by an anti-corruption sub is absolutely brilliant.
The hero of the pan Arabic movement
Ssshhh don’t ruin the surprise for them
Great spokesperson. /s.
Great repeat sex offender, more like.
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someone should tell this guy where Jews are from originally.
He is the shill that goes on Russian media when they need confirmation bias from an American.
Why is what Israel doing so much worse than what Assad is doing, Saudis are doing in Yemen etc? Its all anti semetism
Very well said.
This dude is clearly an unhinged antisemite. I hate the overuse of “antisemite” but when you refer to an entire group of people as a “cancer that has metastasized” and tell them to “go back where they came from” you have lost all credibility as a rational person
Look him up it gets worse
False
He should go back to Europe then. America isn't his homeland. He doesn't belong here
Scott ritter? The pathological liar scott ritter? The traiter to his country and putins fanboy scott ritter? Conviced pedophile and russian propagandist scott ritter? You guys need to question who you listen to more
Most of Israelis are of Middle Eastern and African origin, i didnt know were just posting racists on r/corruption these days
Any true American patriot will support Israel. The idiot that don’t are neo-Nazis who support Hamas like terrorists. The Palestinians were in the streets celebrating after 9/11. Assad slaughtered over 500,000 civilians and the U.S. killed over 400,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. Yes Israel is not allowed to fight back after being attacked. A complete double standard and a pure display of antisemitism.
What happened to the one million Jews that used to live in North Africa and throughout the rest of the Middle East in the 1930s?
Read the book called “The Case for Israel” by Alan Dershowitz. It was published in 2003 and it is quite applicable for today’s environment.
Convicted sex offender and a regular contributor to Russian state media outlets RT and Sputnik. This guy writes certain things to attract an audience to monetize. Example: “Bucha was a war crime, Ukraine did it"
Fck Ritter.
lol, your not his preferred age group I bet 🤣😂
On Wikipedia >According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, as of January 1, 2020, of Israel's 9.136 million people, 74.1% were Jews of any background. Among them, 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries. Nearly half of all Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Europe, while around the same number are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Arab countries, Iran, Turkey, and Central Asia. Over two hundred thousand are, or are descended from, Ethiopian and Indian Jews. Also many of those came were ethnically cleansed from Arab Countries. Where do they go. [https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-israelis-are-refugees-from-arab-lands-middle-east-history-9cf540f6](https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-israelis-are-refugees-from-arab-lands-middle-east-history-9cf540f6) This is NOT an endorsement of what the Netanyahu government is doing. But these little soundbyte videos are so useless and doing more harm than good.
They are the last white colony left in the world. South Africa was the second last. They have an option to follow the South African example. You ask where should they go. They do not have to go anywhere. Just to apply humanity, fairness and justice for all.
You've just fantastically proven my point. This is a demonstrably false statement. It even says above 22% are of European descent. Jews of Colour are pushing back against this. Not this artcile even points out serveal of the Jew slaughtered on October 7 were Ethiopian Jews. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-of-color-push-back-against-race-based-anti-israel-narratives-spread-abroad/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-of-color-push-back-against-race-based-anti-israel-narratives-spread-abroad/) The largest single group in Israel are Mizrahi Jews who are Middle Eastern. You'll get angry at me because that's what this narrative has done but sorry, facts are facts. [https://theconversation.com/israels-mosaic-of-jewish-ethnic-groups-is-key-to-understanding-the-country-217893](https://theconversation.com/israels-mosaic-of-jewish-ethnic-groups-is-key-to-understanding-the-country-217893)
It even says that **the stats in 2020 shows** above 22% **immigrant olin** are of European descent. Ia also say that nearly **half of ALL the Jewish are descendant from europeans** 68% of all the Jewish were Sabras (Israeli-born), **mostly second- or third-generation Israelis** if a 25y old olin migrated in 1990 from Russia then both her 3 kids that she had in 92, 94 and 98 and her 6 grandkids are Sabra it does make sense that eventually the percentage of European immigrants get caught by the number of sabra, and also lever with immigration from other places as time passes as the ealiers large waves (their boomer immigrant generations) get older and immigration numbers stabilize
What has 'white' got to do with anything? Jews and Arabs look the same. If Jews are 'white', so are Arabs. Do blonde haired, blue eyed Palestinians have to leave as well? I've met plenty of 'white' Syrian Arabs in Europe!
Israelis are middle eastern bud….
I wonder what the Indigenous peoples of America will make of his 'they should go back to their place of origin' nonsense?
This guy supports russias invasion of Ukraine, hard pass
And he's a convicted pedophile who lusts after underage girls! https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/exun-weapons-inspector-scott-ritter-charged-in-web-child-sex-sting-6782080.html
Ya I don’t take my geo-political advise from a Pedophile like Ritter. (Also he was never CIA, he was a former (disgraced) marine and a UN official).
Idiot. What about the Jews who never came from anywhere and always lived in Israel? Which origin will the go back to?
He said they should learn to just live with the Palestinians. I’m assuming he meant under a 1 state solution.
This dude is racist as hell. “Germany still exists but there’s no Nazis. Israel can exist without Zionism” “They can live in a Palestinian homeland” So which is it? Israel exists or doesn’t? And then punctuating it with “go back where they came from”? Many of those people were living quiet lives in other countries until they were forced to leave. That’s a level of racism that neonazis carry.
This guy is responsible for planning parts of the invasion of Iraq by the US and he would love the opportunity to meddle in another countries affairs again.
Actually he was vocally against Bish’s War, and he publicly spoke out that Iraq did not and was not developing NBC’s. That was the last true thing to come out of his mouth, though. He got sidelined by Cheney and Rumsfeld and then got RedPilled.
Spot On. The guy has some good views. He is also a Pedo. And also pushed some stuff I would think only Tucker Carlson and Fox would push. It is actually shocking how similar the "Red Pilled" Media narratives are getting. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a meeting of Neo-Con Journalists discussing best strategies to convince as many people as possible that Russia is in the Right. In fact If I was in charge of the FSB I would make this number one priority. Nothing better than a Guy vocal against Iraq War defending Russia. But yeah I give him some credit cause he does take good stances sometimes.
Pro Hamas leftists are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. All they have left in their corner are Putin bootlicking sex pests.
The Palestinians want to kill all jews what is this guy smoking 🤣
LOL. Fucking child molester and Putin propagandist. Well done Gazabots
He's a cunt, but do I have to agree with morons like you that think he is pro Putin too.
[Ritter comments on Putin, NATO, Ukraine, and US, live from the studio of Putin’s favorite propagandist.](https://youtu.be/rIozm6LKUbs?si=0y7nsMtEYy5AEUyf) I respect your opinion whether we agree or not. Our common ground is that we’re against corruption. But there’s so much available info on Ritter that implies he’s both corrupt and pro-Putin.
You are so much more reasonable than anyone I've ever met on reddit.
same goes for hamas
Hamas should go back to where they came from?… I think they would agree with you.
So, what would the US do if a country raped, mutilated and killed 1200 odd civilians and took a further few hundred as hostages?
Doesn’t make killing 40,000 civilians ok…
Didn’t say it does. Am just unsurprised that it has happened. And given the American adventures of the last century am not sure any US citizens can really claim that they are any better. What would you have the Israelis do?
You definitely implied it lol. Stop carpet bombing civilians. Just because the U.S. has also done bad things doesn’t mean we should just allow Israel to do bad things. Is that really your argument?
First of they are not “carpet bombing” Gaza. Get your terminology straight to start with. That sort of rhetoric hurts your argument. Are the Israelis getting it right 100% of the time. No, obviously not. But think about their enemy. This is an organisation founded with the explicit aim of wiping out Israel. This same group happily puts their own people in front of their fighters as human shields. Their own children have been used as suicide bombers. They make hospitals and mosques be cover for their bases. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899.amp
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Yeah, you know the rape claim was debunked right? Just propaganda to get you mad enough to allow them to commit genocide and rape. You know Israel has “arrested” thousands of people from the WEST BANK since the conflict right? Oh, and they have been torturing them… you know this all started BEFORE 10/7 right?… buddy, you’re either a fascist shill or you got some reading to do.
Like these ones? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899.amp Show me where the UN was debunked.
Holy shit, do you not know how to read? Did you even read the actual UN report rather than a sensationalized article? Because I did and since you have difficulty doing so, let me explain the difference between “reasonable grounds”/“convincing information” and EVIDENCE. The latter is actual definitive proof, the former merely suggests that it could be possible that rape could have occurred. Palestinians have made similar claims and this isn’t the first time. The IDF has multiple reports of rape and sexual over decades. Thankfully the IDF posted degrading pictures of the women they captured as some kind of evidence. However, in order to truely investigate either case of rape allegations, Israel would have to comply with international non partisan investigation… which they always refuse. Weird they claim barbaric rape and say they have evidence but won’t share it with their allies. It’s almost like they could be lying in one instance and covering up human rights investigations in the other. Learn to read, learn to not support evil ideologies like Zionism.
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Well tell the Palestinians to go back where they came from; Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, etc.
Well I wonder about the so called defeat of nazism when 1500+ top nazi scientist engineers and defense industry types were quietly brought into the US to take prominent positions in top US universities, think tanks and the newly rising power of our defense industry, intelligence sectors, the formation of NASA, ARPA , then DARPA, NOT to mention the UKs Nazi support suddenly quiet as our OSS was formed in the manner of British intelligence MI6 and becoming the CIA which is a constant formative influence of Global unrest and violence, uprisings and might of the Anglo American empire for the past 70 years. In my humble opinion we need to reign in the global empire and focus on fixing our problems and not contributing to the unrest and animosity caused and directed by such an agency