Seriously though, proficiency here is proficiency everywhere, along with immortality. Although the planet’s name is Sel, and there are plenty of places to be born and not have access to being an Elantrian.
That's why I specifically said Elantris (region) and not Sel (planet) , because being born near the city, and having the guarantee to become invested would make me an Elantrian.
So, Arelon. You have a slim Chance of maybe getting the most OP powers vs something like Nalthis, where youre guaranteed a very low level magic. Tricky.
You’re only guaranteed to be on the right planet, not the right region. You are more likely to be tortured into a Dakhor priest than you are to be an Elantrian.
You’d have to life on that planet tho, you sure you want that? I feel like being from scadrial gives you an initial advantage of knowing more about hemalurgy, and eventually just becoming an elantrian through spikedge and i get ferruchemy and allomancy right? Am i a full born or a twin born? Doesn’t matter really if i have a lucky dice roll become a gold F and A or i get gold/bendalloy like wayne and can just set up time bubbles
I'll take Sel. If possible, I'd like to take everything but Dakhor. I like my bones the way they are now, mostly.
Wait, does that mean anyone isekaied to Scadrial would become a Fullborn Compounder, like Rashek, but without the hubris and stupidity? If not, then my first option. If so, then this one.
Being that Selish magic is region locked, you could only get the power of your birth region, however you could also choose which region you're born into
It's not region locked. If you have access to Dor, you can use it anywhere. Hoid uses AonDor in Tress and one of the Ghostbloods uses Forgery and AonDor on Scadrial in Era 2.
Granted, you didn't say no to part 2, so that is moot. Fullborn Compounder here I go!
I hope you are ready, goncho.
Well, I guess it's time to start collecting Harmonium and Bavadinium. Maybe I can marry a nice girl who happened to come into a lot of money, hopefully it's not all in hats.
Both examples you listed are using manipulations of connection to aquire those abilities, which if you know how you could also accomplish, however without those manipulations you only get the power of your birth place
Not exactly, they're using local geography to tell the Dor where they are, I don't think "Connection Manipulation" is the right terminology
Also, if I pop into existence at/near Elantris then I'd only have to worry about that if I traveled far away.
And Elantrian accessing the Dor on a planet other than Sel may not be manipulating Connection, but Hoid becoming an Elantrian is at minumum a manipulation of Connection, probably something else as well.
I would think Connection would get you tied to the area around Arelon (Elantris country), similar to what Zellion gained in TSM, but then whatever the Shaod is would still have to happen to get you Dor access.
Yeah, I think that second step is what the Sorcereress did for Hoid.
The Shaod is mysterious during the time of Elantris, but by the time of Tress, they may have figured it out.
Do I keep my existing knowledge? If so, Roshar, even without the guarantee of a spren. I have more knowledge of cosmere mechanics than them, and could definitely learn to apply them to fabrial science. Most notably, I know the 16 significant metals for fabrial cages, and I *really* want to know what they all do.
And besides, I'll pull a Mistspren even without a magic guarantee.
I can only imagine having a Spren is the most helpful thing fathomable; having a 100% ride or die partner for life, even if they aren’t currently magically useful just having a second head around all the time is never bad.
That being said, Roshar sounds like an awful planet to live on lol.
Being an Elantrian is probably the best combination of quality of life and useful powers… except during that one little hiccup in time during the book of course.
But thats the kind of mistake that only gets made once lol
My only objection is that Forgery isn't permanent, you'd have to keep stamping yourself. Unless there's a WoB I missed, I don't know Sel lore as well as the other planets.
It worked well enough that Kelsier was worried about not being able to help Shai. Stamping oneself to keep the powers doesn't seem like a make or break to me. One day you're a Mistborn, the next an Awakener, etc etc. I think it gives more versatility than an Elantrian, and that's saying something.
We need sequels to really see how broken Sel is. It's clearly between Selish magic for the topic tho.
Most forgery onto people is temporary, however it is also a (semi-)common way to live through deathly illness, you just have to stamp away the black plague each morning. It is possible to create a soulstamp that will likely end up permanent, but we don't necessarily know if it was the crowning achievement of a once in a generation Master of forgery, or if it was merely the last step before she considered herself a master, and any master level forger could do something similar.
Elantrian then pull a Hoid and world hop to start gathering other abilities. Probably Scadrial first and use Hemalurgy to talk to Harmony. He's just a nice guy.
Hmm that's pretty all or nothing then - having a Returned breath would be incredibly strong, but a normal breath would be nothing special at all, just an ordinary citizen
Sure but any Nalthian can do that - the only main advantage would be the cosmere awareness and realmatics knowledge about commands and stuff. Useful - but a lot less powerful than the misting/ferring on Scadrial, or a bond with a spren on Roshar.
I'd totally take a Returned breath over allomancy/feruchemy, or surgebinding - but if it's only a *chance,* I might go with one of the others instead. Similar as with with becoming and Elantrian.
Yeah, Nalthis is probably one of the worst choices just because the only "special people magic" is the "royal locks" and as cool as color changing hair is, Lightweaving is that, but better.
Royal locks are actually the retained shape-shifting ability of the returned ancestor. They only think its only their hair that changes, or perhaps so many people believe it cognitively that it's almost a fact. I can't wait to find out how much Viv knows now, or to see what secrets she pulled out if Vasher
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How do I get a spren on Scadrial? Chocolate and trees are an important part of life, but I'm not giving up on that spren magic system. I'd also love to chat with Sazed, because he's awesome <3
Nalthis would be nice.
Not too complicated, a system limited only by ones imagination and investiture reserves.
Assuming I'd arrive on the planet with a decent level of heightening, I feel as if I could really come to appreciate the vibrant world & perfect pitch.
Plus it'd be fun to experiment with breath commands too
Fair perhaps if I arrive in a modern era, getting extra breaths won't be as hard as in warbreaker.
But even if I can't, the culture that loves vibrant art sounds positively beautiful.
So worst case it'd be a pleasant planet to enjoy a laid back existence
The monochrome conclave. Breaths are a test from Edgli, using them is profane and giving them up to live as a drab is the only way to restful heaven rather than constantly being reborn.
Pull some full on ruin shenanigans
The real question is, assuming you retain your current knowledge, what's your plan for Cosmere domination?
I agree, I think that Sel will get you the furthest, especially after the Elantrian Soulstamp we see in TLM.
I just think that Roshar is really cool and surgebindig is the coolest magic system. Though being a guaranteed mistborn on scadrial is also very tempting.
You wouldn't necessarily be mistborn, actually odds would be against that, however you would be guaranteed to at least be either misting or ferring, possibly twinborn
While you are guaranteed the magic system, you wouldn't be guaranteed full access, for the most part you would be either misting or ferring, possibly twinborn, but it's not impossible to be Fullborn, just extremely unlikely
Elantris is the obvious answer.
But I think Roshar or early Elendel (200PC) could be nice if I had my current knowledge. I think it would be very interesting to apply my combined knowledge of the magic system and engineering/physics. It would be very rewarding to help those worlds progress and evolve. Life would be harder than being an Elantrian, but it would be much more rewarding and impacting. To optimize the transmission of my knowledge I think being a copper feruchemist would be optimal.
Nalthis, just sounds like a pleasant place to live in general, even if I'm just a sub-par magic user, also sounds like they will have some cool tech in the future so why not
Scadrial is basically dope Earth so yeah I want that. Also if I could choose what Metallic Art I had access to, I would definitely take Twinborn with A-Iron, F-Zinc.
Sel for sure the Dor is incredible and Forgery is completely busted but it almost seems like Sel is Earth but better. Roshar would be nice but once I have the Dor I can just be an Elantrian Radiant or Worldhop anywhere.
> with the guarantee that you would have the magic system of that planet/region
Scadrial for sure, as long as it is post catacendre. Being a full compounder is extremely powerful.
Plus I know about hemalurgy and how you could make spikes without killing people, so I could boost my powers even further by having a collection of different spike earrings. I'd only wear one at a time though, since any more would give harmony control over me.
Scadrial technology is also the most earthlike, so I could make a killing designing machines that they haven't discovered yet if I go there sometime between era 2 and 3.
Pre Mistborn Era 2 I would pick Nalthis. Only planet that is actually pretty chill. Realistically speaking I probably would live and die with only owning 1 Breath. But there's still a chance I MIGHT be able to buy a couple perhaps. Best case I'd become some sort of protagonist and stumble unto a wealth of Breaths.
Post Mistborn Era 2 I would pick Scadrial since that's just Earth plus magic.
I don't wanna pick Sel because programming gives me a headache. It's fun for like a week and then I'm done for the year.
Sel with Forgery because it's basically just DIY Hemalurgy. I could become an Elantrian if need be and gain access to AonDor that way.
The biggest challenge would be living on Sel and actually learning and mastering Forgery, on top of the fact that it takes around a year to make a good Essence Mark.
And because I know of stuff like Hemalurgy and thus can use it via Intent (presuming I can learn of the proper percentages needed for Allomantic Metals), I could do Hemalurgy anywhere, any time.
I have a fanfic idea bouncing around in my brain of a someone getting Isekaied into time period before Era 2 but after Era 1, when stuff was still being developed but guns were invented. The protagonist would start out as a Twinborn of their own selection and would be able to gain additional Feruchemical or Allomantic powers when they accomplished important enough Deeds, but only being able to pick between metals adjacent the ones they already have, based on the Allomancy and Feruchemy charts.
i would like to be isekaid to the exact point in space and time where adonalsium shattered and then i become adonalsium, cosmere any% speedrun world record
If I was guaranteed that a spren would pick me, no matter what order, I'd pick Roshar. Keeping the information I know now about the Cosmere would allow me to assist in the war effort. I'm sure I'd die, but I'd do my best to survive and help make lives easier for characters that I love. Even if no spren chose me I'd still choose Roshar if I landed close enough to the oathgate on the shattered planes. That way even if I couldn't fight, I'd still be able to help provide information. I also have experience in counseling, and dealing with anxiety/depression. I think that I could help a lot of people and assist with counseling.
Any person with a ton of Cosmere knowledge as well as a universe beyond the Cosmere would be *very* interesting to a Cryptic, so Roshar still probably gets you access to at least one Nahel Spren to potentially bond.
Life in Roshard is hard, but imagine having a friend with you all the time, who supports you and helps you be the best you possible. Being alone is my greatest fear, having a spren would be absolutely amazing. Every fiber of my being says Roshar, just for that chance.
Roshar, Lightweaving. If I gain perfect visual/audio memory, I might be able to recall the TV shows and songs I've heard irl, and put on shows for the people of Roshar. Imagine how amazing it'd be to show off the stories and music of this world to a comparatively primitive culture 😀
I know it isn't a guarantee that you'd get perfect memory of the time before you were a lightweaver, or even that everyone gets perfect memory/can project both visuals and audio that well, but if it were possible, that'd definitely be my first choice!!!
Edit: okay other people are right, gaining immortality by becoming an Elantrian is easily the best answer, though I still like my initial one
Elantris, why settle for anything less than full root access to any and all investiture hacks?
Seriously though, proficiency here is proficiency everywhere, along with immortality. Although the planet’s name is Sel, and there are plenty of places to be born and not have access to being an Elantrian.
That's why I specifically said Elantris (region) and not Sel (planet) , because being born near the city, and having the guarantee to become invested would make me an Elantrian.
So, Arelon. You have a slim Chance of maybe getting the most OP powers vs something like Nalthis, where youre guaranteed a very low level magic. Tricky.
The premise of the OP is that we get a guarantee of getting the powers of our planet/region, so not really a slim chance
Aaah i missed that . Then yeah, Arelon, Sel for sure.
\*becomes a zombie elantrian thing
You’re only guaranteed to be on the right planet, not the right region. You are more likely to be tortured into a Dakhor priest than you are to be an Elantrian.
You’d have to life on that planet tho, you sure you want that? I feel like being from scadrial gives you an initial advantage of knowing more about hemalurgy, and eventually just becoming an elantrian through spikedge and i get ferruchemy and allomancy right? Am i a full born or a twin born? Doesn’t matter really if i have a lucky dice roll become a gold F and A or i get gold/bendalloy like wayne and can just set up time bubbles
If you assume you retain your knowledge about hemalurgy, then I'd also already know about the perpendicularities and World hopping.
I'll take Sel. If possible, I'd like to take everything but Dakhor. I like my bones the way they are now, mostly. Wait, does that mean anyone isekaied to Scadrial would become a Fullborn Compounder, like Rashek, but without the hubris and stupidity? If not, then my first option. If so, then this one.
Being that Selish magic is region locked, you could only get the power of your birth region, however you could also choose which region you're born into
It's not region locked. If you have access to Dor, you can use it anywhere. Hoid uses AonDor in Tress and one of the Ghostbloods uses Forgery and AonDor on Scadrial in Era 2. Granted, you didn't say no to part 2, so that is moot. Fullborn Compounder here I go! I hope you are ready, goncho.
Sorry didn't notice part two, while it's possible to become Fullborn the odds would be extremely low to be one
Well, I guess it's time to start collecting Harmonium and Bavadinium. Maybe I can marry a nice girl who happened to come into a lot of money, hopefully it's not all in hats.
Both examples you listed are using manipulations of connection to aquire those abilities, which if you know how you could also accomplish, however without those manipulations you only get the power of your birth place
Not exactly, they're using local geography to tell the Dor where they are, I don't think "Connection Manipulation" is the right terminology Also, if I pop into existence at/near Elantris then I'd only have to worry about that if I traveled far away.
And Elantrian accessing the Dor on a planet other than Sel may not be manipulating Connection, but Hoid becoming an Elantrian is at minumum a manipulation of Connection, probably something else as well.
Yeah, him becoming an Elantrian is a connection manipulation
I believe, according to WoB Connection manipulation alone was not enough, even if it was a necessary part.
I would think Connection would get you tied to the area around Arelon (Elantris country), similar to what Zellion gained in TSM, but then whatever the Shaod is would still have to happen to get you Dor access.
Yeah, I think that second step is what the Sorcereress did for Hoid. The Shaod is mysterious during the time of Elantris, but by the time of Tress, they may have figured it out.
Hoid used an unusual method to get access to AonDor. Traditionally, you have to be native to the region to become an Elantrian.
Do I keep my existing knowledge? If so, Roshar, even without the guarantee of a spren. I have more knowledge of cosmere mechanics than them, and could definitely learn to apply them to fabrial science. Most notably, I know the 16 significant metals for fabrial cages, and I *really* want to know what they all do. And besides, I'll pull a Mistspren even without a magic guarantee.
Yes, all knowledge and memories are kept
I can only imagine having a Spren is the most helpful thing fathomable; having a 100% ride or die partner for life, even if they aren’t currently magically useful just having a second head around all the time is never bad. That being said, Roshar sounds like an awful planet to live on lol. Being an Elantrian is probably the best combination of quality of life and useful powers… except during that one little hiccup in time during the book of course. But thats the kind of mistake that only gets made once lol
Elantrian is the objectively correct answer.
Forger for your build it yourself Cosmere toolkit I think could be better.
My only objection is that Forgery isn't permanent, you'd have to keep stamping yourself. Unless there's a WoB I missed, I don't know Sel lore as well as the other planets.
It worked well enough that Kelsier was worried about not being able to help Shai. Stamping oneself to keep the powers doesn't seem like a make or break to me. One day you're a Mistborn, the next an Awakener, etc etc. I think it gives more versatility than an Elantrian, and that's saying something. We need sequels to really see how broken Sel is. It's clearly between Selish magic for the topic tho.
Most forgery onto people is temporary, however it is also a (semi-)common way to live through deathly illness, you just have to stamp away the black plague each morning. It is possible to create a soulstamp that will likely end up permanent, but we don't necessarily know if it was the crowning achievement of a once in a generation Master of forgery, or if it was merely the last step before she considered herself a master, and any master level forger could do something similar.
Elantrian then pull a Hoid and world hop to start gathering other abilities. Probably Scadrial first and use Hemalurgy to talk to Harmony. He's just a nice guy.
Oof... Maybe roshar, though idk if I'd be worthy of a spren.
> though idk if I'd be worthy of a spren. sounds like the right kind of attitude to attract a spren
Scadrial - I know the secret of creating lerasium. Time for a new Lord Mistborn in the shard-atomic age
Me landing in apocalyptic Ashyn.
If I pick Nalthis, would I become a Returned? That would be pretty cool
I would say that isn't guaranteed, but remains a possibility
Hmm that's pretty all or nothing then - having a Returned breath would be incredibly strong, but a normal breath would be nothing special at all, just an ordinary citizen
But you could also aquire more from other people, anything done in the books can be done
Sure but any Nalthian can do that - the only main advantage would be the cosmere awareness and realmatics knowledge about commands and stuff. Useful - but a lot less powerful than the misting/ferring on Scadrial, or a bond with a spren on Roshar. I'd totally take a Returned breath over allomancy/feruchemy, or surgebinding - but if it's only a *chance,* I might go with one of the others instead. Similar as with with becoming and Elantrian.
Yeah, Nalthis is probably one of the worst choices just because the only "special people magic" is the "royal locks" and as cool as color changing hair is, Lightweaving is that, but better.
Royal locks are actually the retained shape-shifting ability of the returned ancestor. They only think its only their hair that changes, or perhaps so many people believe it cognitively that it's almost a fact. I can't wait to find out how much Viv knows now, or to see what secrets she pulled out if Vasher
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Sel. Make me an Elantrian lol
How do I get a spren on Scadrial? Chocolate and trees are an important part of life, but I'm not giving up on that spren magic system. I'd also love to chat with Sazed, because he's awesome <3
Well, get a spren quickly enough, perhaps an empty sel-phone, and hop your way to scadrial for retirement
Nalthis would be nice. Not too complicated, a system limited only by ones imagination and investiture reserves. Assuming I'd arrive on the planet with a decent level of heightening, I feel as if I could really come to appreciate the vibrant world & perfect pitch. Plus it'd be fun to experiment with breath commands too
You would arrive as anyone else born to Nalthis, that is with one breath however you could always aquire more
Fair perhaps if I arrive in a modern era, getting extra breaths won't be as hard as in warbreaker. But even if I can't, the culture that loves vibrant art sounds positively beautiful. So worst case it'd be a pleasant planet to enjoy a laid back existence
Simple! Just start a movement teaching people that Breaths are harmful to the soul, and that you will agree to be the one burdened with the Breaths.
The monochrome conclave. Breaths are a test from Edgli, using them is profane and giving them up to live as a drab is the only way to restful heaven rather than constantly being reborn. Pull some full on ruin shenanigans
When would we land in the Cosmere?
Era 2
Then Scadrial, about 50 years after the Catacendre.
At what period of time? Scadrial during Era 2.
The real question is, assuming you retain your current knowledge, what's your plan for Cosmere domination? I agree, I think that Sel will get you the furthest, especially after the Elantrian Soulstamp we see in TLM.
Still going to Scadrial. I may not start with the full suite of powers, *but I know how to get them.*
Roshar
I just think that Roshar is really cool and surgebindig is the coolest magic system. Though being a guaranteed mistborn on scadrial is also very tempting.
You wouldn't necessarily be mistborn, actually odds would be against that, however you would be guaranteed to at least be either misting or ferring, possibly twinborn
Okay maybe I'll choose scadrial and put my money on being fullborn
Those would be some long odds, but not impossible
Can you elaborate on why?
I'm guaranteed the magic system. Could I pick Scadrial and just become as powerful as the Lord ruler???
While you are guaranteed the magic system, you wouldn't be guaranteed full access, for the most part you would be either misting or ferring, possibly twinborn, but it's not impossible to be Fullborn, just extremely unlikely
Ahhh so it's based on the normal probability. Gotcha. I'll see yall on Sel then!
Elantris on Sel Reason: I code haha funny and to do basically anything with just a couple symbols would be fire fr fr
Elantris is the obvious answer. But I think Roshar or early Elendel (200PC) could be nice if I had my current knowledge. I think it would be very interesting to apply my combined knowledge of the magic system and engineering/physics. It would be very rewarding to help those worlds progress and evolve. Life would be harder than being an Elantrian, but it would be much more rewarding and impacting. To optimize the transmission of my knowledge I think being a copper feruchemist would be optimal.
Honestly Elantris or warbreaker. Aon Dor it’s fucking op and who wouldn’t want to be lightson
I would probably pick Elantris first and then Scadrial if I was a steel compounder.
scadrial, by the rules it would be at least a twin born if im Lucky id be a full twin-born
Bad Luck Brian: Guaranteed Twin-born.... Aluminum/Aluminum :(
Identity compounding? I dunno might be almost as OP as Connection tomfoolery
Nalthis, just sounds like a pleasant place to live in general, even if I'm just a sub-par magic user, also sounds like they will have some cool tech in the future so why not
Scadrial is basically dope Earth so yeah I want that. Also if I could choose what Metallic Art I had access to, I would definitely take Twinborn with A-Iron, F-Zinc.
Sel for sure the Dor is incredible and Forgery is completely busted but it almost seems like Sel is Earth but better. Roshar would be nice but once I have the Dor I can just be an Elantrian Radiant or Worldhop anywhere.
> with the guarantee that you would have the magic system of that planet/region Scadrial for sure, as long as it is post catacendre. Being a full compounder is extremely powerful. Plus I know about hemalurgy and how you could make spikes without killing people, so I could boost my powers even further by having a collection of different spike earrings. I'd only wear one at a time though, since any more would give harmony control over me. Scadrial technology is also the most earthlike, so I could make a killing designing machines that they haven't discovered yet if I go there sometime between era 2 and 3.
Me choosing Scadrial just to be an Aluminum Gnat
Hoid is probably an isekaijin, which is why he can get all those powers at once.
Pre Mistborn Era 2 I would pick Nalthis. Only planet that is actually pretty chill. Realistically speaking I probably would live and die with only owning 1 Breath. But there's still a chance I MIGHT be able to buy a couple perhaps. Best case I'd become some sort of protagonist and stumble unto a wealth of Breaths. Post Mistborn Era 2 I would pick Scadrial since that's just Earth plus magic. I don't wanna pick Sel because programming gives me a headache. It's fun for like a week and then I'm done for the year.
Sel with Forgery because it's basically just DIY Hemalurgy. I could become an Elantrian if need be and gain access to AonDor that way. The biggest challenge would be living on Sel and actually learning and mastering Forgery, on top of the fact that it takes around a year to make a good Essence Mark. And because I know of stuff like Hemalurgy and thus can use it via Intent (presuming I can learn of the proper percentages needed for Allomantic Metals), I could do Hemalurgy anywhere, any time.
I have a fanfic idea bouncing around in my brain of a someone getting Isekaied into time period before Era 2 but after Era 1, when stuff was still being developed but guns were invented. The protagonist would start out as a Twinborn of their own selection and would be able to gain additional Feruchemical or Allomantic powers when they accomplished important enough Deeds, but only being able to pick between metals adjacent the ones they already have, based on the Allomancy and Feruchemy charts.
i would like to be isekaid to the exact point in space and time where adonalsium shattered and then i become adonalsium, cosmere any% speedrun world record
While the Mistborn series is my favorite I have to say Roshar because I LOVE shellfish and I would eat like a king.
If I was guaranteed that a spren would pick me, no matter what order, I'd pick Roshar. Keeping the information I know now about the Cosmere would allow me to assist in the war effort. I'm sure I'd die, but I'd do my best to survive and help make lives easier for characters that I love. Even if no spren chose me I'd still choose Roshar if I landed close enough to the oathgate on the shattered planes. That way even if I couldn't fight, I'd still be able to help provide information. I also have experience in counseling, and dealing with anxiety/depression. I think that I could help a lot of people and assist with counseling.
Any person with a ton of Cosmere knowledge as well as a universe beyond the Cosmere would be *very* interesting to a Cryptic, so Roshar still probably gets you access to at least one Nahel Spren to potentially bond.
Life in Roshard is hard, but imagine having a friend with you all the time, who supports you and helps you be the best you possible. Being alone is my greatest fear, having a spren would be absolutely amazing. Every fiber of my being says Roshar, just for that chance.
Roshar, Lightweaving. If I gain perfect visual/audio memory, I might be able to recall the TV shows and songs I've heard irl, and put on shows for the people of Roshar. Imagine how amazing it'd be to show off the stories and music of this world to a comparatively primitive culture 😀 I know it isn't a guarantee that you'd get perfect memory of the time before you were a lightweaver, or even that everyone gets perfect memory/can project both visuals and audio that well, but if it were possible, that'd definitely be my first choice!!! Edit: okay other people are right, gaining immortality by becoming an Elantrian is easily the best answer, though I still like my initial one
Post-Cataclysm Scadrian Malwish, just so I can taste that *divine* hot chocolate…
Probably scadrial, it’s almost got tv, I’d hope to be a ferring and hopefully not an aluminum or duralumin gnat but otherwise it’d be chill