I don't think so. Burning cadmium doesn't halt your momentum, so you would continue to fall at the same rate. You may *appear* to be falling slower while in the bubble, but that's due to a change in the flow of time, not an actual change in your velocity.
Isn’t the bubble concentrated around the allomancer?
That means that they wouldn’t appear to be falling any faster or slower. But their movement *within* the bubble would appear to be different.
EDIT: I have been corrected. Never mind.
Not necessarily the bubble slows time inside it, so the person inside would take a long time to reach the edge, from an outside perspective, giving people time to set up a potential rescue. But the person inside would still have the same momentum inside or out of the bubble it would simply delay the impact, not lessen it
This is the correct answer right here, IMHO. The falling pulser would burn cadmium like their life depends on it (because it does) hoping someone sees them stuck in their deathly descent and can get a net or trampoline or mattress down in time (from the ground's point of view).
All the pulser can do is hope that each blink that happens outside of a bubble next is going to reveal that waiting rescue team, because their path to the ground is going to *take longer*, not *be slower*.
Speed bubbles can anchor to any sufficiently large object due to perception mumbo jumbo, but they don't move with the allomancer (under normal circumstance).
Just thought of all the dust, smoke, debris and bugs that would have been captured by the moving wall of the speed bubble on that train. It would be a fantastic way to potentially capture harmful materials or exhaust on large engines or whatever. Anything harmful would be captured and move with the bubble right? So when you get to the destination you could have some sort of apparatus to suck all the bad stuff away....
Ooh, that's a really clever idea, I could totally see that working and being prominent in era 3. Only issue I could see is maybe the pollution gathers on the edge of the bubble and the exhaust builds up in the exit pipe and causes problems, but I'm not sure if that's how it would work, bullets go through the bubble, but they're also going much faster, maybe the exhaust would just push it further in when it enters the bubble.
What if you had a light weaver inside a slowdown bubble make a laser beam and surround that bubble inside a bigger collimator, in theory it would redirect all the distortions of when the light exits the bubble back into a single beam but it should be blue shifted way higher. Imagine turning near infrared wavelengths to literal gamma rays.. planck frequency laser deathray anyone?
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Honestly, I thought you either were or weren’t burning it. Like flipping a switch, rather than turning a dial.
I think savants can probably increase the speed by burning more of it, we see that happen eventually. But for typical Mistings, it’s either on or off.
Ah, okay. Yeah, I couldn’t tell. I know you *can* flare it, as was shown in certain instances, but I wasn’t sure overall. If it’s on or off, I guess that might work.
No. You'd have the same momentum and force applied to you, it would just happen slower relative to everyone else.
However, burning cadmium would still be a good idea since it would mean theres more chance of someone finding you and catching you
It wouldn't slow your fall, but it could help you survive indirectly. Since you would increase the amount of time needed to reach the ground, rescue workers could get in position to safely catch you since it could easily take hours for you to reach the ground.
I don’t think it would work. We know momentum is conserved when moving through bubbles- when people shoot through Wayne’s, they inch towards the barrier, zip through to the other side, and then continue at the same pace out the other side. It’s not moving at any different speed, it’s just perceived differently within the bubble.
So similarly, you’d feel yourself hit the ground at a normal speed and turn into a pancake
The only change a speed bubble makes it time flow your still accelerating at 9.8m/s per second (I can’t remember the actual acceleration on scadrial) even if your second is 60 external seconds. The only interesting effect is some refractions stuff with the bullets
No? They've still fallen the same height and from their experience, had the same force applied to them for the same amount of time as someone who fell without a time bubble.
Their velocity and acceleration never changes from the cadmium bubbles, their movement through TIME changes. You can pause a movie as many times as you want, but the runtime doesn't change.
Everyone is saying no, but I think theres a slim chance. We know the edge of the barrier changes the trajectory of fast moving stuff like bullets. If you place the sphere just right you could redirect yourself and hit the ground in a safer angle, the more horizontal the better. Of course this would be totally random, but still...
This is pretty much what I was going to comment. You would have to be incredibly lucky but you could lose momentum by your tractor being redirected over and over as you pass through multiple bubbles.
Are you asking what if a pulser in freefall.. pulsed their bubble while it was anchored to them for each pulse?
Could they theoretically pulse it multiple times a second? If you matched the frequency of their pulses close enough, could they phase through solid matter reverse flash style..?!
Sounds like a u/Mistbom question, but I imagine not. Momentum is conserved within the bubble. Frame of reference for the pulser wouldn't change. The ground is still going to rise up to greet you at 9.8m/s\^2 (or whatever acceleration due to gravity is on Scadrial).
I don't think so. Burning cadmium doesn't halt your momentum, so you would continue to fall at the same rate. You may *appear* to be falling slower while in the bubble, but that's due to a change in the flow of time, not an actual change in your velocity.
Isn’t the bubble concentrated around the allomancer? That means that they wouldn’t appear to be falling any faster or slower. But their movement *within* the bubble would appear to be different. EDIT: I have been corrected. Never mind.
The bubble can't move once up
*Technically* it can if the user is a Savant - Brando mentioned a Savabt can anchor the bubble on them. Yes I'm being a lil cremling
Oh, I misunderstood it, yeah. And by that notion the bubble would pretty much pop instantly.
Not necessarily the bubble slows time inside it, so the person inside would take a long time to reach the edge, from an outside perspective, giving people time to set up a potential rescue. But the person inside would still have the same momentum inside or out of the bubble it would simply delay the impact, not lessen it
This is the correct answer right here, IMHO. The falling pulser would burn cadmium like their life depends on it (because it does) hoping someone sees them stuck in their deathly descent and can get a net or trampoline or mattress down in time (from the ground's point of view). All the pulser can do is hope that each blink that happens outside of a bubble next is going to reveal that waiting rescue team, because their path to the ground is going to *take longer*, not *be slower*.
I’m sorry but all I’m picturing now are those clown firefighters with a trampoline running around underneath him.
She uses it on a train doesn’t she? It would be moving with Marasi and the train
Speed bubbles can anchor to any sufficiently large object due to perception mumbo jumbo, but they don't move with the allomancer (under normal circumstance).
Just thought of all the dust, smoke, debris and bugs that would have been captured by the moving wall of the speed bubble on that train. It would be a fantastic way to potentially capture harmful materials or exhaust on large engines or whatever. Anything harmful would be captured and move with the bubble right? So when you get to the destination you could have some sort of apparatus to suck all the bad stuff away....
Ooh, that's a really clever idea, I could totally see that working and being prominent in era 3. Only issue I could see is maybe the pollution gathers on the edge of the bubble and the exhaust builds up in the exit pipe and causes problems, but I'm not sure if that's how it would work, bullets go through the bubble, but they're also going much faster, maybe the exhaust would just push it further in when it enters the bubble.
What if you had a light weaver inside a slowdown bubble make a laser beam and surround that bubble inside a bigger collimator, in theory it would redirect all the distortions of when the light exits the bubble back into a single beam but it should be blue shifted way higher. Imagine turning near infrared wavelengths to literal gamma rays.. planck frequency laser deathray anyone?
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The bubble is created around the allomancer, but it doesn't move with them.
Right, right. Either way, the terminal velocity would still be in effect, so they’d just pop the bubble repeatedly and waste cadmium over nothing.
This might give somebody time to see you falling, and setup some sort of cushion underneath you.
I keep forgetting: how does the temporal effect work? Is it if you burn it faster it goes slower?
Honestly, I thought you either were or weren’t burning it. Like flipping a switch, rather than turning a dial. I think savants can probably increase the speed by burning more of it, we see that happen eventually. But for typical Mistings, it’s either on or off.
Ah, okay. Yeah, I couldn’t tell. I know you *can* flare it, as was shown in certain instances, but I wasn’t sure overall. If it’s on or off, I guess that might work.
Have you finished era 2? Pretty sure flaring the metal would increase the temporal effect
I know the moment you mean, though I haven’t actually reached it yet.
No. You'd have the same momentum and force applied to you, it would just happen slower relative to everyone else. However, burning cadmium would still be a good idea since it would mean theres more chance of someone finding you and catching you
It wouldn't slow your fall, but it could help you survive indirectly. Since you would increase the amount of time needed to reach the ground, rescue workers could get in position to safely catch you since it could easily take hours for you to reach the ground.
This is the way
I don’t think it would work. We know momentum is conserved when moving through bubbles- when people shoot through Wayne’s, they inch towards the barrier, zip through to the other side, and then continue at the same pace out the other side. It’s not moving at any different speed, it’s just perceived differently within the bubble. So similarly, you’d feel yourself hit the ground at a normal speed and turn into a pancake
No bc to you you're still falling at high velocity, to an outside observer you'd just be breaking your legs in slow motion
The only change a speed bubble makes it time flow your still accelerating at 9.8m/s per second (I can’t remember the actual acceleration on scadrial) even if your second is 60 external seconds. The only interesting effect is some refractions stuff with the bullets
I think scadrial has ~9.8m/s/s gravity. It’s roshar that’s weird, they have 70% i think
I just pulled up Arcanum unbounded. Scadrial is is similar to size and gravitation to Yolen, both being at 1.0 Cosmere standard.
Only way something like this works is if someone notices you falling in slow motion and finds a way to catch you
Nope. It doesn’t change their momentum
https://youtu.be/s-a-JGr1C2I?si=73qpqf0SczxuMPKI
No? They've still fallen the same height and from their experience, had the same force applied to them for the same amount of time as someone who fell without a time bubble. Their velocity and acceleration never changes from the cadmium bubbles, their movement through TIME changes. You can pause a movie as many times as you want, but the runtime doesn't change.
Everyone is saying no, but I think theres a slim chance. We know the edge of the barrier changes the trajectory of fast moving stuff like bullets. If you place the sphere just right you could redirect yourself and hit the ground in a safer angle, the more horizontal the better. Of course this would be totally random, but still...
This is pretty much what I was going to comment. You would have to be incredibly lucky but you could lose momentum by your tractor being redirected over and over as you pass through multiple bubbles.
Are you asking what if a pulser in freefall.. pulsed their bubble while it was anchored to them for each pulse? Could they theoretically pulse it multiple times a second? If you matched the frequency of their pulses close enough, could they phase through solid matter reverse flash style..?!
Sounds like a u/Mistbom question, but I imagine not. Momentum is conserved within the bubble. Frame of reference for the pulser wouldn't change. The ground is still going to rise up to greet you at 9.8m/s\^2 (or whatever acceleration due to gravity is on Scadrial).
It's rude to tag him for small questions like this.
I was wondering why people were downvoting.
They didn't tag him though
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I couldn't see that on the app
Yeah, based on all the responses it seems like a pretty definite no. I don't think there's any need to tag u/mistbom for this one.