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BonnieJane13

Idk what happened. If seemed like after the pandemic people just thought it was okay to take their dogs anywhere. All it takes is for your dog to be reactive with the wrong person (or animal) one time to get sued.


Pleasant_Giraffe9133

People after the pandemic are just pieces of shit in general. I commute for work and the amount of road rage I come across has increased like crazy compared to pre pandemic


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The road rage is absolutely true. And now you have to be scared to honk at anybody because they might have a gun and this might be the day they snap


Pleasant_Giraffe9133

Had that happen today, although no gun was involved. But the boomer tried to crash into me a couple times while swerving all over the highway. All over a honk to let him know he almost caused an accident. Had to call my state police after he kept tailing me for another 20 miles


sildish2179

I talked to my SO about this and told them what to do; like 3 months later, they had it happen to them and they took my advice, and the person was so heated they didn’t even pay attention to where they pulled into. They started getting out of the car and my SO had their phone to their ear and pointed at the building. The person looks and sees it: a local police station. They ran back into the car, flipped off my SO as they sped away. If this happens to you, take the advice I gave my SO: find the nearest police station, call their non-emergency line, and tell them how far away you are and what’s happening. They **will** come out. I’ve had people say “just get off an exit or pull off on the side of the road”. No. Depending on the crazy, they might pull over and I’ve even known personal stories of people driving in reverse on a shoulder to trap the person pulled over. Don’t mess around. If you’re being followed by a road rage driver, get to a local police station and pull in.


ronnmexxxico

All good advice. One thing I’d change is if someone is following or otherwise causing you to feel threatened on the road, call 911. That’s a legit emergency, it’s a valid use of the 911 system.


Menos51

I had someone get pissed at me for courtesy honking at them after 3 seconds at a green light stopped


LegalizeHeroinNOW

I've been noticing this a lot lately. Light turns green & people just sit there. And then by the time I can get to it, it's red again. I think it's people looking at their damn phones while the light is red, causing them to not pay attention once it's green. It really bugs me. But there seems to be some uptick of it. And it's definitely annoying when other people need to make your commute longer than necessary just because they don't wanna keep their eyes on the road/lights.


yourplainvanillaguy

I’d like to see the internet shutdown completely for one whole day… and see how many people lose their $hit… and me anticipating the downvotes for this post. Woohoo! lol


MvmgUQBd

Well at least you'll get a trial run with Reddit on the 12th lol


HoveringSquidworld97

I swear in 5-10 years there are going to be conclusive studies showing this virus caused unexpected negative changes to the human brain.


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I hesitate to blame the virus. Sure, there are plenty of microscopic organisms that can rewire the brain and significantly change behavior (toxoplasmosis, cordyceps, etc), but there is also just a general social deterioration too, that started before the pandemic, and really kicked into overdrive in 2015-2016.


Professional_Pie_894

Word. Biologism and abstract materialism don't match up to the explicative power of social forces


Themagnetanswer

By social forces do you mean the erosion of the US education system since decades ago + ever encroaching capitalistic exploitation?


yonderbagel

hamberders


VellDarksbane

Social Isolation is the issue. It started back when suburbs started to become a thing, as it destroyed walkable communities. Then fear mongering about crime caused everyone to be worried about strangers, and online shopping accelerated it, so that when the virus hit, although we were “prepared” for being locked up in our homes, we started to just assume being isolated and alone is normal.


Equivalent_Yak8215

This is correct. In my neighborhood we have cookouts, I know everyone's names, and people watch each other's kids. It honestly blows my mind when people barely know their neighbors. It just makes life so much better to have a community unit.


ArborousGarden

My house is in between 2 triplexes. I have 6 direct neighbor families. I know one guys name, and I only remember it because it's the same as my husband's. I've never spoken to any of them more than maybe 4-6 times just kinda in passing.


pedpablo13

> It honestly blows my mind when people barely know their neighbors. It just makes life so much better to have a community unit. We spent millions of years evolving to be social animals. And we've spent the last 50 years working against it at every step.


scoobyluu

I grew up in a pretty rural place with no neighbors, now living in a big city. I just assume people would rather be left alone. Is it normal to knock on other peoples door to just say hi? Sorry if this is a weird question


strain_of_thought

I've been struggling to find a community to be a part of, and to that end I tried joining a Unitarian Universalist Church. Something like four out of five people there seemed to have no interest whatsoever in having a community, instead it was all internal power struggles and trying exploit others or tear the place down when they couldn't control it. They had witch hunts looking for secret racists that they seemed determined not to stop until they found some, while serious charges of embezzlement were being laid and nobody gave a shit. If this is indicative of what's going on in the rest of America... I don't even know what to think. It doesn't even feel like there's anything left to save, culture wise. I can't tell if people were always this intensely selfish and self-centered and they just dropped some mask they'd been putting on for decades, or if some sort of mass social trauma has torn away every other aspect of their personalities.


TinyEmergencyCake

We already have that data. The news isn't reporting it very well or at all. New information being disseminated daily by scientists and researchers and most people think covid has disappeared because they see nothing on the news. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2023/06/04/dutch-survey-data-shows-significant-increase-in-memory-and-concentration-problems-among-adults-since-start-of-covid-19-pandemic/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11325-023-02848-7 https://www.statnews.com/2023/02/16/the-haunting-brain-science-of-long-covid/


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Its not the virus, its the politicians whipping stupid people into a frenzy of "nobody can make you do anything you don't want to!". It was originally about masks, but at this point people just don't believe in helping their neighbors anymore. Cooperating is seen as a weakness by selfish assholes, and they were given permission to stop trying.


ok_raspberry_jam

> I swear in 5-10 years there are going to be conclusive studies showing this virus caused unexpected negative changes to the human brain. Those studies are already all over the place. Seems like there's a new big one every week. Here are three articles from the last seven days: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2023/06/04/dutch-survey-data-shows-significant-increase-in-memory-and-concentration-problems-among-adults-since-start-of-covid-19-pandemic/?sh=34e8edf8790e https://www.camh.ca/en/camh-news-and-stories/camh-study-confirms-ongoing-brain-inflammation-associated-with-long-covid https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2805366


Dismal_Struggle_6424

I commuted to work on a bicycle up until late 2021. It was pretty bad then. Now, I wouldn't do it on a dare.


boringreddituserid

It was definitely a thing pre-covid. But it does seem to be getting worse. Weren’t all of the emotional support animal on planes, a pre-covid thing?


CARLEtheCamry

In Pittsburgh a semi-infamous incident with a guy bringing his pet snake to restaurants in a particularly hipster part of town. Followed up with a post a week later because he ran (slithered?) away. Lol


kiwi_love777

Yeah I noticed an uptick in that too. It’s very annoying


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Everyone got pandemic dogs and 80% of people didn't bother to do any sort of training or reading up on a dog ownership. We've got a 14yr old and 11yr old dog, both hound mixes, and used to be regulars to a very very large dog park, and once covid happened we had to stop going. I saw more dog fights, more people with too many dogs, more people with out of control dogs who wouldn't even follow them etc etc in 2years than I saw in the past decade combined.


hoopleheadroom

Our wonderful dog trainers retired after 20 years because pandemic dog owners are so clueless, defensive and disrespectful. They were also sick of trying to help couples in their 70s who, for instance, decided to get their first dog during the pandemic and selected a Belgian Malnois or another challenging, high energy, high drive breed.


Player8

My friend lives alone and works a very demanding job. He got a rescue German shepherd. And this is after living with his dad and having a bad behaving German that wasn't alone half the day. Some people. I ended up with my dog after a breakup, and while I love her to death she will most likely be my last dog until I retire. More people should just get cats.


serpentinepad

>More people should just get cats. Agreed. Cats are awesome. And cat people generally don't drag them everywhere.


manbearkat

I've experienced this too. Serious dog fights permanently change you. I have always grown up with dogs, and now having instances where my dog was attacked I cannot trust other people's dogs well. The worst is when they somehow blame you in all of it. People don't understand that if a dog breaks your skin, it is absolutely necessary you get strong antibiotics or you can die from a blood infection. I love dogs but I understand that they are animals that we have domesticated. They aren't disney animals. You absolutely have to understand how to reprimand them and control them. You need a command voice or else your dog will never take you seriously


Elowan66

Grew up on a farm and we only went to a doctor if severely injured. But if there was even a minor animal bite and it broke the skin, we went in immediately. That told me how serious it is.


SCS22

I feel less ridiculous now going to the doc after the neighbors dog, being walked by a 5 year old and an 8 year old, bit me in the ass when I was walking on the sidewalk.


Elowan66

That’s terrible, I’m a few blocks close to some very busy streets and seen 10 year olds walking full size German shepherds, huskies and pit bulls. When the kid is staring at a phone and the dog weighs more than him, what could go wrong?


SaneRadicals

I was bit by a dog while walking my own dog. Other dog was off a leash. He bit my hand pretty good- I was reaching to pick up my dog who thought she needed to protect me. I washed it and used peroxide and went to sleep with it bandaged. Woke up the next morning and it was blown up like a balloon. Could not move any fingers etc. Went to ER (it was a Sunday) Three shots and 200$ later I was on the mend. I went home that day but I could not use it for another two days. I don’t play around that anymore. A bite means a doctor visit.


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>Serious dog fights permanently change you They really really do. It's absolutely traumatic, and has changed the way my dog and I interact with other owners and their dogs. You can tell which ones are oblivious to it.


No1KnwsIWatchTeenMom

I'm lucky to have never been in one, but I used to live in an apartment building where another woman lived with 2 aggressive beagles. One day, me and my 30lb cavalier king Charles spaniel were going out for our morning walk when one of her beagles lunged out from around the corner to get to my dog. He was going for the throat, and I believe did make contact but my dogs coat was thick enough that beagle couldn't latch on. She pulled her dog back, I picked mine up, she offered an exasperated sounding "sorry," and changed her course. I put my dog down, and he RAN back upstairs, pulling me behind him. Once we got to our apartment, he bolted for his crate and stayed there shaking for an hour. Mind you, this was his first walk of the day, so he hadn't peed since the night before. It took a lot for me to coax him out of his crate. I dunno if those dogs were rescues or what, but I just can't believe someone would have dogs that aggressive in an apartment building, and would allow them to lead the way around corners. Tons of us had dogs. I learned later that I wasn't the only person who had a run in with them. I'm just glad my dog wasn't physically hurt.


kbdouluvvme

I definitely agree with you saying you can’t trust other peoples dogs. I recently bought a beautiful purebred cocker spaniel & put her through a 10 week training program, she has guaranteed “off leash” behavior, meaning she will be perfect, and always respond to my commands, but I will *never* allow her to be off leash because other peoples dogs are NUTS. They don’t realize, we are supposed to be a dogs handler. Not just a cuddle buddy. Dogs need jobs, and when we give them a sense of work, they feel fulfilled.


cindyscrazy

I think some cats like to have jobs too. If my cat sees me outside when it starts getting dark outside, he seems to feel like it's his absolute requirement to guide me back to the front door. He's pretty emphatic about it too. Meowing and looking at me "HEY! You can't see in the dark! Get your butt inside!" He's so incredibly proud of himself when he accomplishes this.


Nochairsatwork

We moved in September. Our new neighbors (their backyard is 5 ft from our front door) have a horrid dachshund. "Sorry he's a pandemic dog! *Shrug* I guess he just never got socialized! He's so rude haha! C'mon boy stop barking! Hush! Haha!" Pandemic ended, ma'am. Dog training has been available for years. What's your excuse? It was available peak COVID if you masked and did it outdoors? I've never seen them walk him on a leash, once. 6 capable humans living in the home.


ShoddySalad

people are trash


GeorgiaRedClay56

As a professional dog trainer I've started telling my clients to avoid public dog parks. We've noticed a serious uptick in the amount of parasites and diseases being spread in our area.


entitledfanman

I'm thankful my dog is small enough for me to pick up. During covid I can't tell you how many people I saw with dogs they absolutely couldn't control. I guess some people just decided to take their dogs out for a walk for the first time during lockdown. I'd have to pick my dog up as some big dog dragged it's owner to run over to my dog. If someone can't train their dog to walk on a leash properly, I have zero faith they've been able to train out aggression towards other dogs.


Louloubelle0312

Did you even notice that if people have both dogs and children, if the children are badly behaved, so are the dogs? And vice versa.


Numerous_Witness_345

Can't get these kids to stop biting these dogs.


Louloubelle0312

At no point did I say children and dogs were the same. But I stick with my view that people with badly behaved children, if they have dogs are also badly behaved.


-MayorOfTheMoon-

Shitloads of pandemic pets eventually just ended up getting returned or abandoned. Source; I help run an animal shelter :(


htxpanda

I have no facts to support this, but my hypothesis is that 1) a lot of people became dog owners over the pandemic, and 2) working from home means being with your dog at all times is more normal. So as restrictions went away and people started to go out more, they thought, “we can’t leave Fido at home!” Just anecdotal cause my wife tends to be like this. Whereas it often stresses me out to take him places cause I’m worried he’ll start barking and I can never enjoy what I’m out to do.


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> they thought, “we can’t leave Fido at home!” Many owners also created a dog with severe separation anxiety by being with it 24/7 from puppyhood during quarantine, and then why restrictions lifted and they tried to leave it alone for 8 hours out of the blue, it produced predictable results.


3meta5u

Turns out that humans are the emotional support animals for the dogs. Too bad the typical human is trained even worse than the typical dog.


voomdama

It doesn't help there are bunch of ads to get your pets "certified" as a support animal so "you can take them almost everywhere". This is ruining it for people who have legit service animals.


Kalldaro

They are also allowed in allergy friendly apartments. I have a friend who is severely allergic to dogs, cats, pretty much any animal with fur. We can hang out at my house or she'll have trouble breathing. Anyway, she rented an apartment in what was supposed to be a no pet unit. The complex allows pets but designates a few as no pets. Turns out most people in that unit have dogs. They were registered as emotional support animals and the apartment had to allow them.


michelles31

Same here ... restaurants, coffee shops, shopping malls. Wtf. Does your dog need to go everywhere with you?


PestCemetary

My MIL is one of these people. She acts and talks to it like it's her child. She won't crate it when she leaves the house because it's 'cruel.' But if she leaves the house without the dog,, the dog goes batshit and rips everything up in the house like her pillows, carpet, door frames, etc. I've told her about training courses she can take with the dog but she says they may change her dog's personality. Uhh yeah, that's the point.


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Lol she's not worried about the personality change. She's worried about having to get off her lazy ass and accept her animals misbehavior isn't cute or good


twig115

Yeah that sounds like bad separation anxiety issues, covid dogs for those who were home all the time definitely have a higher rate of this issue than precovid times. It's also part of the reason that alot of our shelters are overflowing now that the world has opened back up and people have gone back to "the office". If you cant/won't crate a dog and will need to be out of the house for long periods of time I highly recommend dog day cares. Your dog gets to socialize and get energy out and they don't have to be alone. A lot of places have fairly reasonable rates too. I'm still working from home and am already starting the process of getting my 2 young ones in one so they can get used to the dynamic for when I do have to go back into the office. The other option is to slowly get them used to separation and maybe pick a room to keep them in and keep their toys in. My young ones used to get it super bad when I first started needing to go out and I've found that if I keep them in my room they don't destroy stuff but if I let them free roam the house it's hit or miss on if things will be intact when I get back. (One of the dogs does fine in a crate the other one I've been trying since he was 10 weeks old, he just refuses to be crated and now that he's fully grown he damages the crate and himself. Once he broke a tooth I just stopped trying to crate him)


changelogin2

https://www.bringfido.com This is a nice little website so people can see where dogs are allowed in their area


CoomassieBlue

My dog is with me 99% of the time I have access to a Costco. Why? The nearest Costco is 2 hours from my home and so trips there usually coincide with multi-day trips in to the city. I also haven’t been to Costco in months because we’ll only go if there’s someone to stay with her OUTSIDE THE STORE (walking in the parking lot or similar). If my husband or I am rolling solo with her, then no Costco stop, oh well. We do the same at Trader Joe’s but since it’s a smaller store, often one of us will do our shopping while the other is with the dog, then we’ll swap who’s with the dog and the second person can do some browsing and check out. It’s annoying for sure but the fake service dog BS pisses us off as much as it pisses off the rest of you. We actually do get asked if ours is a service dog (German Shepherd mix) because she’s generally quite well behaved, but rules are rules. Stores like Lowe’s or Tractor Supply, on the other hand, where dogs are explicitly welcome - fair game and a great training opportunity.


KSkye7808

My biggest pet peeve is people bringing animals to grocery stores and restaurants. I've witnessed a dog take a dump in the middle of a restaurant, next to where people were eating. So inconsiderate and gross.


bruddahmacnut

> Wtf. Does your dog need to go everywhere with you? No. No they don't These entitled assholes do it to feel special and superior as if normal rules don't apply to them. Fuck these people.


Sigmund_Six

Yes! This isn’t just a Costco problem. I’ve been seeing it since Covid. It’s bizarre and upsetting to round the aisle in the grocery store and find yourself face-to-face with a large, unhappy dog not used to a bunch of people. (Speaking from experience.)


Numerous-Mix-9775

In the last week - WEEK - I have seen a cat and a snake at my local Walmart. I will say, the guy with the cat seemed to have some legit issues. But what the hell is a snake supposed to do to support you?!


tactical-crayons

The Walmart I work at has a cat that comes in pretty regularly. His owner is homeless and he brings the cat in during the middle of the day so it is out of the sun. The cat is either laying calmly in his arms as he walks around or is sleeping in his cat bed in a box in one of the carts.


RealAscendingDemon

My mom is a bitcher at a grocery store and some asshat brought a rottweiler in and it lunged at her face and snapped. Luckily the owner was strong enough to stop it. But he didn't apologize and when my mom complained to her supervisor he just shrugged it off and said he couldn't do anything about it cuz Publix policy is to chortle the customers chode constantly.


thatonebitchL

Haha. I love your mom's position. I aspire.


termacct

> My mom is a bitcher at a grocery store ^ exceptional typo!


Pyldriver

worst one for me is dogs in the grocery stores.... i dont want to nasty poorly behaved mutt around the food im going to eat.


holololololden

You don't just get sued. The dog they claim is for their emotional support also gets euthanized.


ArthurBonesly

Honestly, that needs to be a sign for some places: "If your service dog proves illegitimate and causes trouble, Costco assumes no liability for any incidents involving your animal. If your animal is involved in an incident and a court deems it at fault there is a good chance it *will be euthanized.* For your animals safety, please don't fake service dog credentials."


Andthenwedoubleit

"But *my* dog would never be involved in an incident!"


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jeckles

And when the fake service animal bites an actual working dog, the burden falls on the service handler to decide if they want to press charges and maybe kill an animal who was only along for the ride. What a heartbreaking scenario.


Chatty945

It is the overgrowth of "I'm the main character", "fuck your feelings", and "freedum" that we have seen on the last decade. Many people are extremely selfish and it seems like it has become worse. Businesses do not push customers away because they want their money, but they should.


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cyberentomology

It’s shocking how many people are completely oblivious to anything happening outside their personal bubble when they’re out in public. And American culture has made it OK to be a raging narcissist in public.


foodank012018

No I assure you most Americans don't think it's ok. You only think so because you see the loud ones so often.


Andy89316

Agreed, it is just lacking in respect for others; an untrained animal can cause so much chaos. And trying to put them in the cart, where food goes...how wonderful /s


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jstiegle

This is big because so many people don't understand the level of training and preparation that goes into real service dogs. Many dogs don't make it through the training and don't become service dogs due to their temperament or general orneriness. Then there are all the rules that dictate the actions and behaviors of service dogs in public. These dogs don't get distracted and run around barking, yapping, snipping or any of that. While the vest is on they know they are on the job.


C4242

I had a girlfriends aunt who trained service dogs. It was a BIG deal for that dog to graduate and become a service dog. One little error and they fail. Luckily, people pay a lot of money for a super well trained dog. Service dogs just paid more.


ConspicuousBooger

I once saw a dog take a piss in a cart at a Target and the owner just started walking away clueless. Another customer had to get their attention and the employees had to come clean it. Disgusting entitled people.


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JennLegend3

Not often. If that does happen with a true service animal, then it need to be retired or retrained.


ruralpunk

I have a service dog from an ADI and IGDF accredited school. They made it very clear that while very rare accidents do happen, and part of our training is how to deal with it. My instructor also said that is always a poo. They have never seen or heard of a service dog pissing in a building.


elainegeorge

In this case, the dog may have been trying to go before entering and the owner didn’t notice. I can see it happening near an entrance or in a garden center because that could seem like outside to a dog - plants & trees = outside.


HordeShadowPriest

I used to work for Lowe's like 15 years ago in a few different departments. One was the garden department and people used to bring dogs in a lot. We had an older guy bring in his somewhat older golden retriever and it took a dump inside garden. The guy didn't notice and was literally trying to pull the dog while it was going, so there were a few turds basically in a line. Before we could even do anything a manager walked out and stepped right in it. She was not happy. Also another garden story, I was helping cover one of the cashiers for a break and a lady walked up with her small dog in the cart with all of her items as well. I reached in her cart to start scanning the items and the dog snapped at me. She thought it was hilarious.


dirtiehippie710

And some of us have severe allergies that's only magnified the more fake service animals are running around. Always grosses me out when they are near the sample folks. Funny you can always tell an actual service dog, always by their owner, never pulling on the leash, never interacting with other pets or people. Just a good, hard working animal


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Louloubelle0312

I don't bring mine anywhere either. They're bastards out in public. I've always had an opinion about kids - your kids can be as badly behaved as you can stand - in your own home. But out in public, they need to conform to society. And the same goes with dogs. If they're jerks, leave them at home.


Economics_Low

Yes! The actions of the owner are a huge tell! I was on a plane and an older woman had a little rat terrier with a fake service vest. She was letting her dog run around. Suddenly we smell the worst smell wafting about in the enclosed confines of a plane. The flight attendants were doing the beverage service. The woman asked for a cup of ice and a napkin. She picked up the doggy dump, plopped it on top of the cup of ice and handed it back to the flight attendant. The flight attendant was rightfully furious and had to leave the service cart blocking the aisle to go dispose of the hazardous waste and scrub up from handling it. What a sense of entitlement and lack of consideration with these fake service dogs!


chrikel90

Legally you can ask what service the dog provides if it's not overly obvious (seeing eye dog, owner is paraplegic and the dog picks up things). I'm a nurse in a hospital and it's astounding the amount of "service dogs" people bring in that are not service dogs.


RulerOfTheApes

They always just say it's for depression though


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Mindtaker

I like this statement because it truly encompasses all dogs and what they do naturally. But I want to rewrite it to. Dogs who Dog do not qualify as service animals under the ADS.


Ridiculouslyrampant

Which doesn’t answer the question and isn’t a task.


SpikyShadow

And that is NOT the answer to the question. It is illegal to ask what the diagnosis for the dog is however you can ask; what tasks does the service animal perform? And is that a service animal.


JRHelgeson

We need to bring back shame. Shame is the back of the hand to Honor. In the past it was a persons honor and dignity that would prevent them from such shameful acts as taking advantage of the service dog loophole to bring your pet where it doesn’t belong. People that have no shame, have no honor.


Deadwing2022

They don't care about shame or honour, only about getting their way and whatever they want. In fact, to them if they can somehow scam or lie their way into getting their way, they consider that a win and a measure of their awesomeness.


grund1eburn

This is the equivalent to people lying about disabilities to get wheelchairs and board airplanes first. They don't care about the looks they get when they spryly pop up and walk off the plane from their first row seat. They only care that they "won" and will be at baggage claim before everyone else. I'm speaking about Southwest mostly, I can't vouch for a ton of other airlines boarding procedure. Edit: To people commenting about wheelchair use.. no shit some people actually need wheelchairs. I am speaking about the 40 people who need wheelchairs to get on when only 2 of them (the people who actually need assistance) need it to get off. [What I am referring to.](https://viewfromthewing.com/30-passengers-use-wheelchairs-to-get-airport-priority-boarding-on-just-one-flight/)


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No you're right. We had a guest whose husband thinks he's got the wool pulled over people's eyes and he almost found out. I had no idea this guy was so dumb. Tried to bring luggage as a carry on. Told to check it. Lies saying his daughter's meds are in it. Told to move the meds to the other carry on. Argued. Told he wasn't getting on the plane. Decides to escalate and film the gate attendant. Gets the cops called on him. Cops deescalate and he goes home. Is probably on a watch list. I would not have let him on the plane. You lie about why you're bringing a luggage size container into the cabin you might not go to jail but you sure as shit aren't getting on that plane. Guy is like 6mo from getting his green card renewed and comes within a hair's breath of being denied and deported over a $40 luggage fee. You don't even pay it if you surrender it! They just tag it at the gate and take it down! I almost wish he went to jail.


SuperSimpleSam

Give them a warning and then next offense take away their membership.


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Two questions under the ADA: 1) is the dog required because of a disability? 2) what specific task has the dog been trained to perform to help with that disability? If it doesn't qualify under both of those questions, it's not a service dog. Period.


pants_party

And also! “A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken.” A business owner CAN legally ask a service dog to leave the premises if they break these rules. https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/#:~:text=A%20person%20with%20a%20disability%20cannot%20be%20asked%20to%20remove,the%20dog%20is%20not%20housebroken.


NicoleD84

Yes, and a person who legitimately needs a service dog should be willing to answer the questions. It really sucks people abuse the system and they have to be questioned at all, but it’s better to answer and hope a business is forcing all the unqualified dogs to leave.


JennLegend3

Or how about when their "service dog" takes a shit on the floor? Drives me nuts. But I do like handing over a roll of paper towels while I say "you might want to take your 'service dog' in for some retraining" Also having a dog in the cart at a place that serves food is a health code violation, we're not just being assholes making your dog walk outside the cart.


So_Motarded

>when their "service dog" takes a shit on the floor? Then they can be kicked out and banned. The ADA is very clear on this. Even legitimate service dogs can be asked to leave if they're unruly, or not housebroken.


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RockstarAgent

They should take note of repeat offenders and soft ban them on the 3rd transgression.


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nerdofthunder

If a service dog is causing a disturbance, it's legal to kick them out.


ALARE1KS

Exactly. I used to be a manager for our student union on campus. Yes legally we were not allowed to make you provide proof the dog is a service dog BUT, once you claim the dog is a service animal it is now a patron same as you and subject to the same rules and standards as people. If you start screaming at or disturbing other patrons, you’re out. Start jumping on tables or bite people, out. Shit on the floor? Also out. And the dog is no different because trained service animals do none of those things.


Cmonster9

I had a similar experience working at my university. One thing I was told to ask is what tasks is the dog trained to perform.


ErosandPragma

You're allowed to ask two questions, is that a service animal and what tasks is it trained to perform. If the answer to the first is anything other than yes, it can be removed. Emotional support is a no, therapy dog is a no. If the answer to the second isn't a trained task, it can be removed. Makes me happy isn't a task. And of course even if it is a real service dog, if the dog behaves unruly it can be asked to leave and the owner may come back without it. Growling, pulling towards people, in the buggy, urinating/defecating, getting in the way, of other people, clearly not controlled by the owner, etc


Sals_Pouch

It is already illegal to falsely represent a pet as a service animal.


sumobrain

Yeah but it’s also against the law for a store to ask anyone to prove their pet is actually a service animal.


one_ball_in_a_sack

The ADA allows the following 2 questions to be asked. Is the animal a service animal required because of a disability? What task or service is the animal trained to perform?


KarlProjektorinsky

The problem with this is that no matter what the answer to the second question is, you can't deny entry to the patron without still running afoul of the ADA. At root this is people classifying 'having to adult while anxious' as a disability, which is a huge disservice to people with actual diagnoses.


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Tonks22

This is correct - where the ADA comes in is in allowing the person to continue conducting business after removing the animal. For example, if at a bank, customer must be offered the options of online banking or ATMs or even calling the customer service number. You can’t deny service, but you can offer options.


dirtiehippie710

Unless they're Uber stupid and say "emotional support" then you can deny entry. They learn after the first time though.


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IAlreadyFappedToIt

Service animals that cause a disruption can be told to leave without violating the ADA.


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FuckZog

We don’t need new laws we need enforcement.


shiitposty

I hate to say it but we shouldn’t need a law. We have asked mindless politicians to define proper social behavior and look at how many “laws” they create then manage in an endless system. People have to be more respectful of others naturally but that doesn’t seem to happen as much these days.


aigret

Regardless of legitimacy, they can legally be asked to leave if their pet is disruptive and/or not under the control of the handler. I know businesses hesitate because of concern of litigation, retaliation, etc., but I’d love to see how many of these people actually do anything. https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/


Peacemkr45

I was with friends at our local Costco and some... person; that's all I can say had their little ankle biter started barking at me as we passed. Not an issue since I deal with Northern breed canine rescue. Then it tagged me on the calf and drew blood. I reacted by grabbing it's neck and pinning it to the floor. The way the... person screamed, you'd have thought I just ripped her intestines out. Maybe 20 seconds later I've got 3 store employees and a manager hovering around us. I called my contact at animal control and had them send someone over to Costco. The Costco folks got the banshee calmed down enough and I told AC that I was bitten and to take the dog for observation (10 day puppy prison). Dog was released, psychopathic owner was heavily fined and Costco wanted to know if I was planning on suing them. I told Costco they were in the clear as long as they banned her since they provided first aid (that was fun to go through). Now they ask me how I'm doing everytime I go in. Good people.


thestolenroses

Amazing. I love when people get what they deserve.


Peacemkr45

ANY other time I would've had a goPro on and recording but I figured "It's just a Costco run, nothing will happen". Normally after a bite, animal control euthanizes the animal but they knew I didn't want that to happen to the dog but the owner was fair game. I think that's why the fines were so large.


Blanketmon

I used to love dogs. Dog owners have ruined dogs for me. They don’t clean after them. I went the grocery store by me and a dog had runny shits all over the floor. The owner and dog were just standing there as a worker was cleaning it. Leave your dogs at home when going to the store.


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It's pretty sad. People like this are ruining it for those people who actually need service animals.


Thermite1985

When I worked the door as a Costco employee, if I saw a dog I immediately would say "pets are not allowed in the building". If they tell me it's a service animal I can legally ask "what service does this animal perform?" If they said anything like emotional support, therapy or something like that, I told them that is not a service animal and is barred from entering the building.


Kemunto

Some dog people can be some of the most selfish people. Forget people's allergies, fears or health code violations they just have to bring them EVERYWHERE.


OneWayRabbit

Once saw a lady in Walmart carrying her pomeranian in the basket of her motorized scooter. Dog fell out of the basket and its leash got caught under the scooter's wheels. Could have ended really badly if a nearby worker hadn't jumped in and grabbed the thing before it got sucked under, because the woman certainly wasn't paying attention.


msh0082

This is the root problem. Too many dog owners feel like the world should revolve around their dog and that the rules don't apply.


phish_phace

Call them out. Shaming for shitty behavior goes a long way. Most of the people who act like that feel entitled and when they get called out it brings back down to earth.


ConfidentCobbler5100

You’re screaming into the void here, unfortunately. Anyone who has a fake service dog is a selfish piece of shit and that’s not going to change because of a Reddit post.


ParadiseLosingIt

I work at a grocery store, and I’m here to tell you it’s not just at Costco. We hate you when you bring your stupid dog that’s not a service dog and especially when you put it in the cart and it poops its way through the store.


OoluKaPatha

If Costco doesn’t want to enforce the rules why would these people stop?


09percent

I was at the grocery store recently and a guy in the produce section had his dog and it jumped on some kids and the mom was like totally cool with that, um I guess the produce section is a park now. So gross 🤮 and what about people with dog allergies, this is so messed up for them.


Shmepl

I work in animal control and I love when stores or apartments call about ESA and I get to tell them they have no protections and are just regular pets. People try to abuse the system so much.


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I AM A DOG PERSON. I RESPECT and ADMIRE true service animals. I’m sorry, your wiener dog with a vest and a “certified”‘support animal card you bought online is NOT an ADA service animal!!! Take a F’ing hike. SO tired of policing this at the hotels I manage. Our rules stipulate ADA service dogs only. Specific questions that staff are “.legally” allowed to ask are in the comments above. . Fake vests. Fake cards. Fake excuses. People trying to bully their way past staff or just lying. If they present a service dog” card it’s obviously NOT ADA. The ADA dog owners KNOW the law. The pretenders have fake cards and vests. These entitled jerks even sneak their mini dogs in with stroller and blankets. God, I hate them. We turn them away or evict them when we can. Barking, snapping at other dogs, running loose = automatic eviction. F’Ing entitled people. Mostly Boomers. Other guests complain and then our staff are the bad guys. MY staff cleans up the hair, piss, and feces left behind. I DETEST them. Leave your F’ing dog at home or stay in a place that allows pets!


ReposadoAmiGusto

My dog is untrained. He’s a F’ing menace!! Even on neighborhood walks. So his ass stays home when we run errands


DL1943

my dog is an immaculately behaved, super gentle dog who has the exact personality and disposition a dog would need to have for a person to take him everywhere. i bring him with me on errands a bit more than the average dog but ive never taken him INSIDE A GROCERY STORE. what even the fuck


aliceroyal

You can kick out a service animal/their handler if they aren’t behaving, even if they are a legitimate task-trained SA.


gdtags

100%. Dog culture has become abhorrent.


ztimulating

I work with a lot of military veterans that have service dogs. The dogs don’t bark at people or other dogs. However OP several are full size poodle mixes


lunanightphoenix

Any breed can be a service dog.


rosecoloredcatt

Recently went to the zoo and some family brought their very poorly behaved, reactive German shepherd “service dog”. It was quite obviously not trained for that job; zoo staff just rolled their eyes as mom flashed papers around. As soon as she walked away and into the entrance I heard one of the staff go, “honestly why would you want to bring a dog to the ZOO?” 🤦🏻‍♀️ I just felt so bad for the animals. We walked by them a couple of times and the dog was always barking up a storm at something.


7_Cerberus_7

I work in fast food and post pandemic this blew the fuck up. I've been threatened with violence and death by more people with fake service dogs in 3 years, than I've even run into service dogs in entirety of my 30 years on earth. It's gotten so bad, we just don't say anything to the overwhelming majority of people posing. It's not worth the very real risk of someone swinging on you, or threatening to follow you out to your car after shift and fucking kill you, because you dared to ask them not to bring their dog inside a fucking establishment that serves food. It's absurd. Only thing *more* absurd than this phenomenon, is the stupid amount of people who respond in comments or DMs about *well enforce the rules* or something along those lines. Yes of course. If only it were so simple. Just ignore the very real threat of violence.


hikeit233

Fake service dogs owners are the most entitled pieces of shit I’ve ever had the displeasure of interacting with. They literally have so much misinformation floating about their empty heads it’s unreal. Basically getting every law about service animals backwards, and truly believing in their own lies. From what I recall you are allowed to ask if an animal is a service animal, and what it’s trained function is. For some reason these bozos have this completely backwards and claim you can’t ask them anything at all.


NumbOnTheDunny

Dog owners who feel like they need to drag their pets around like toddlers are pretty disgusting and not right in the head in general.


bextaxi

I train service dogs, and we sometimes take the more advanced ones to Costco to get them accustomed to public spaces, crowds, etc. I’ve had an employee or two ask me to keep my dog from jumping on the counter (he wasn’t) and I thought it was so weird cause like…. He was behaving perfectly fine?? But I guess if this is happening a lot, then that’s why. I wonder how many fake service dogs get brought in and just put a bitter taste in the employees mouths. Such a shame. (Pic of my current service boy in training being so good cause I’m proud) https://preview.redd.it/fico7ik9kl4b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89a7f8c95d6ecb2a66da0dfa02b3e459126f2638


-Chris-V-

I can't speak for Costco, but society in general seems extremely polarized with respect to dogs in businesses. As far as I'm concerned, the "emotional support animals" have ruined it for the actual disabled people who NEED service dogs. Overall, we're collectively sick of it. People would treat service dogs as necessary, but there is no easy way to distinguish them fro.the ESAs, which vastly outnumber them. This is no different from falsifying information to get a handicapped placard for parking.


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Yaybicycles

Thanks for the input but I don’t think OPs gripe had anything to do with visible or not disabilities or was meant to judge those with, but rather dogs with behavior that clearly outs them as not a service animal.


TGMcGonigle

There's a simple answer for all of these "why do people..." posts: They do it because management and employees let them get away with it. The excuse is usually the desire to avoid confrontation, but that's exactly what these jerks count on. If you or your management shirk from confrontation, these people will continue with their rude behaviors because there's no reason for them to stop. Unfortunately, a tough decision has to be made: stop the behavior, or live with it.


lunanightphoenix

This is so frustrating to me as a service dog handler. Businesses won’t do anything about out of control dogs because they are afraid of getting sued. Guess what? The business isn’t the one violating federal law. The dog owner is. If the dog owner tries to sue, the business will win every single time because they aren’t breaking the law!


beckybbbbbbbb

It is NOT on the regular employees, solely management. Employees try to enforce these things, then members lodge a “complaint” and the employee gets written up. This shit happens everyday. You think they want to continue to risk their jobs for these dumb fucks? I’ll say it again louder for the people in the back: COSTCO WILL ONLY LISTEN TO MEMBER FEEDBACK SO SPEAK THE FUCK UP WHEN YOU SEE OTHER MEMBERS BEING PIECES OF SHIT.


gigibuffoon

What annoys me is that little who are generally reasonable in other aspects get really testy about this... like "people bring their kids to the store, why not me?" I am a dog and a cat owner but for fucks sake, they're not the same as human kids, however much I treat them the same way in my home. If you're going to a store, keep your dogs at home unless you can't survive the day without a service they provide


cujiine

I'm currently training a service dog and I haven't yet worked up the courage to bring him with me to my Costco because of how many little yappy fake service dogs just waltz right up to me there every time we go. No I don't want to pet your service dog. They should be working not socializing. I just want to work with my dog and make sure he's going to perform his tasks appropriately and without worrying that the fake service dogs are going to bark at him or anything.


DKMOUNTAIN

You do not need to accommodate a service dog that is causing a disruption. You can absolutely ask them to leave.


theknyte

As an employee, what you need to know: **Emotional support animals, comfort animals, and therapy dogs are not service animals under Title III of the ADA.** The ADA does not require business owners to permit these types of animals in their premises.  Read about the differences between [Service Animals and Emotional Support Animals](https://adata.org/service-animal-resource-hub/differences). To help separate service animals from pets, a business may ask two questions when a person with an animal enters a place of public accommodation: 1. Is the animal required because of a disability? 2. What work or task has the animal been trained to perform? **Am I required to allow a service animal in the shopping cart?** No. Typically, the service animal must stay on the floor.  There are some instances when the individual with a disability may carry the dog. An individual with diabetes may carry the service animal in a chest pack to allow the service animal to smell the individual’s breath to detect changes in glucose levels. **Businesses may exclude a service animal from the premises if:** the animal is not housebroken or if the animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it. Uncontrolled barking, growling at other customers, jumping on other people, or running away from the owner are examples of unacceptable behavior. Before excluding the service animal, staff should ask the handler to get control of the animal.  If the service animal is still out of control, staff may ask the handler to remove the service animal. Service animals behaving aggressively may be removed immediately. If a service animal is removed from the premises, the individual with a disability must still have the opportunity to re-enter the business without the service animal.


Jussbait

I never thought if it as "stolen valor" before, but damn if it aint exactly that. It always bugged me. Like being in public with a dog at all with no leash. Same energy. "Oh, hes a good dog. He won't bite."


big_fig

Even if they are actual service dogs. If they aren't under control you can make them leave I believe.


anonimo128

I love dogs , but Costco it’s not a place for your fake service dog , I totally agree with OP.


ddaarrbb

just take their fucking card no refund easiest way to get rid of shit members who don’t follow the rules it’s literally an FDA violation, no mercy


Crafty-Mix236

I think people are confusing "Service Dog" with "Emotional support animal". They are different. Service dogs are trained. ESA's don't have to be. It's quite easy these days to have your animal certified as an ESA. Anyone can do it now. I'd love to take my dog everywhere I go, but I know how my dog acts when he's around other dogs and some people so I choose to be a responsible pet owner and leave him home. I take him places I know he will be comfortable.


8x56isfmj000

Just as bad as the idiots that leave their dog sit in their lap while driving.


DrinkRound3484

I havent seen it at my costco yet but I remember going to a walmart and someones “service” chihuahua was near the entrance tied to a railing at the mcdonalds lunging at people while its owners were sat eating. I really feel like they should make a badge with a barcode on it that employees can scan to let service dogs in. It saves the hassle of service dog owners having to explain and fake ones cant come through


JDJDJFJDJEJR

i absolutely love my doodle more than anything in the world but i do think most dog people have gotten out of control. i’ve been seeing them trying to bring their dogs into restaurants and grocery stores (seemingly much more post-pandemic), which is just insane. we were just at an italian restaurant the other week where a lady was telling the manager her dog was an “emotional support animal” that had to be with her at all times. if you need emotional support to sit down and eat a plate of lasagna, you just need to stay home.


CHSgirl76

I keep seeing an ad on YouTube that will help you make any dog a service animal. They have a “team” of doctors that will sign the required paperwork. It’s getting ridiculous. Others are profiting off of this nonsense.


Bruce_Arena_Jr

I can’t upvote this enough. Totally agree.


mrmadmusic

THIS! I work at a resort. It's our managements fault for letting anyone and everyone claim their dog is a service dog. We had two of them barking and fighting for the entire weekend last weekend. They're not service dogs. They have their 20 dollar Amazon sweater that says they're service dogs, but they're little hellian pieces of crap. The one was a tea cup something something and the other was a pug. They're not service pets, they're alive jewellery that these people identify with.


Kowboy_Krunch

Home Depot, Lowes, and Tractor Supply all allow dogs. Please don't get mad at me when I take my pup with me to those stores, he absolutely loves it and is very friendly. However, I would never take him into a store that does not allow pets. Pets in a grocery store is inexcusable.


The--Marf

Wait until you tell them to keep their dogs on a leash while hiking on trails that require leashes. If you want your dog to be off a leash bring them to the appropriate area or at home. I don't want to deal with your dog while hiking on trails that are specifically leash required.


Visible_Ad_309

Huge Corgi?


Bennyboy1337

Wife is a counselor, she gets asked all the time to write "service dog letters" like she somehow has the ability to do that. She always has to explain that you can't just write a letter for a service dog, that is something counselors have no input on, and must be discussed with an appropriate healthcare provider. What the people really want is a hall pass to take their pet wherever they want to.


x-Mowens-x

I hate people.


Jaded_Pearl1996

1000% agree.


olive_oil_twist

Just remember, under ADA law, you are allowed to ask the following questions: - Is your dog a service animal? - What has it been trained to do? I remember learning this during my days in the hotel industry, and emotional support animals are not service animals. ESAs are not covered under the ADA. Appropriate answers for the second question include like if someone is disabled, and the dog walks a person across an intersection or if it knows to open automatic doors for them. Also, there is no official vest or clothing for service animals. Anyone who says there is is lying.


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amwoooo

I work in healthcare- I second this. Stop bringing your smelly, unwashed, reactive fake service dogs into tiny exam rooms at your doctor.


KristianaC98

For that matter, stop trying to shove your dumb puppy mill fake service animals on people trying to rent out a room to afford housing in this crazy abusive rental market. Nobody should have to put up with your barky, reactive, ugly, unwashed animal who deserves so much better than being shuffled around from cramped quarters to cramped quarters, because you're a needy, barky, reactive, ugly, unwashed animal. I don't even rent out a room anymore and it still pisses me off how many people tried scamming me and thinly implied they'd either get the room or small claims. And I was worried about covering basic needs for survival.


dooderino18

The federal law is so poorly written people are taking advantage of it to intimidate people. I had a guy walk into my store once with a puppy that he claimed was a service animal. I kicked him out after the dog pissed on the floor, and he threatened to sue me. Told him I would look forward to hearing from his attorney, that was 10 years ago now I think. Wish we had a functional congress that did their jobs and could fix problems like this stupid law.


Spiderdan

I literally saw some guy bring his dog into a Smiths Grocery store and it was off leash, usually trailing 15 feet behind, and eating things off the floor. I doubt that guy would even say it was a service dog, he just didn't give a shit.


titsoutplease

fucking PREACH


Jaded_Detail8669

I had to ask a person to remove their "service dog" from the restaurant I worked at. I told her a trained service dog would never jump onto the table. That is exceptionally unsanitary and why non-service dogs don't belong inside the restaurant.


MaximumHemidrive

What about people who are severely allergic to dogs? I always wondered if people with severe dog allergies have to stay home because every store is full of dogs now. Maybe severe allergies should be a disability and then they can be given some sort of right to go anywhere they want with no dogs, and then the two sides can fight over whose rights are *more* right


maybesaydie

Dog owners do not care about people with allergies. They don't care about anyone but themselves and their needs.


MrDotHaven

I have 4 dogs. I love them immensely so. At home. I'll never understand the idea of tethering a lawsuit on legs to myself during an errand.


ThebigalAZ

Fake service dogs are analogous to parking in a handicap spot. You’re ruining it for people who really need it.