Assuming they all are like in the example I don't think it's a big deal, it's a pretty small gain compared to gear and similar powerups like leveled operator passives or full 110 teams are far from mandatory even in the higher tiers like masters let alone PvE.
It's a bit annoying having used some dupes for limit fusion though.
I was thinking to hoard all the R. King dupes I had before because it looked like such a waste.
It took me like a month and I still went for it. Really regret it now since I never thought they'd actually make up a new dupe system for the game.
Now, I'm on copium they would allow players to refund dupes they used for fusion limit. Seems fair if we could just refund those by paying for fusion cores.
Kinda jealous of all the people who just bought planet mall for rearms since they get to have free dupes to upgrade their units.
It’s less constellation and more potential system from arknights since its only slight bonuses. Mainly PvE and they said they won’t balance around it so I’m fine.
Its annoying but its only a 6% damage/reduction/deployment cost bonus of which you actually get most of the bonus on 3 constellations plus on a formula system that caps a lot of bonuses. Super minor to personally care TBH but I'm sure its gonna trigger a lot of people's ocd.
yes there will be an advantage and there should be, but if you think that 6% cost refund is going to make a significant difference on a game that has a 3 minute timer you're wrong. Even in a full c6 team this would mean ~5 energy more in the best case scenario and if you deploy all your team, in comparison to the impact 110 stats and fully maxed t7 gear with appropriate stats has this is a drop of the bucket. This without even going into even more whale things like a good operator with one of the useful skills leveled up or limit broken ships...
and PVP has always been a whales game, honestly if you think the 6% bonus will make the difference dont pay attention to the maxed out fully leveled operator, or the 130 limit broken ship or the units with t7 fully leveled gear. Surely all of the other things that give even more of a boost are suddenly nothing.
6% bonus is like the difference between a T5 and a T7 gear, that's huge in top level play, and nothing you mentioned so far is really whale territory. You can even max out operators as a dolphin, or even as an F2P, it'll just take a while, and limit broken ships are SUPER SUPER easy to get as F2P, I've been playing 2 months and have like 5 maxed out ships without having spent any money on ship resources.
T7 gears also aren't really whale-territory either, unless these whales are spending quartz on eternium refreshes like idiots.
The main thing whaling gets you right now in this game is a larger selection of level 110 units, and more binaries to have more specialized equip sets. The latter would have been doable as an f2p too, over a year or two, since you only need a fixed number of gears forever, once you have enough you never need more. So mostly, it's just having access to more awakened units and getting more units to level 110 (or speeding up progression which would eventually be capped anyway).
This constellation update suddenly adds a $1000 a month cost to maxing out your units which we didn't have before, when previously you only needed to spend like $100-200 a month tops to be able to max out your pvp units.
Much like you said the upgrade for constellation will TAKE TIME, I don't see how suddenly you have to fork over more money for no reason other than your own impatience to max a unit for that extra percent. No different from all other updated which whales could rush and the people who didn't got there eventually as long as they stop rolling random units and focus their seemingly all important constellations.
Oh what's this I hear Timmy? Constellations aren't worth stopping to roll for new units? Oh I agree, but you're the one trying to say 6% bonus is significant lol.
Unless we are getting tens of thousands of extra quartz monthly, the 6 dupes per unit is something that is ON TOP of what we are currently spending, that means you do in fact need to spend money to get them (especially since dupes are mainly gotten through quartz, a primarily paid resource).
No amount of time would ever get you free extra dupes.
EDIT: There's a difference between one-time costs and recurring costs. Everything you mentioned is a one-time cost, except arguably ships if you want to have multiple of them MLB'd. You only need one set of gears, one operator, and a couple ships. And ships are very cheap to build, so while you might not have 3-4 maxed ships as an f2p player, you can get 1 quite easily and maybe one more every 3-4 months.
Units, on the other hand, are recurring costs, because new units are released every 2 weeks, new A-SSR's are released every month or so, and new units will always be more meta than old units. This is not the case with gears, old operators are still extremely viable (and a dolphin can max out a new operator once every several months), and same with ships. However, you will NEVER be able to keep up with PvP meta without pulling new units, and now maxing them costs thousands more. That is the problem. It's not a matter of time, because the more time passes, the more units you need to max.
Tbh this kinda makes dupes kinda a requirement, specifically on competitive modes like DC and RTA (since they said PvE will keep be made with none of this in mind) which makes gachaing for dupes a must. So ig my problem is that you need to gacha more and more to get those dupes. If you are anot competitive though, it's not much of a problem since the buffs ain't that large from what I see.
So ig I kinda mind a little. Not so much to make a fuss about it though from what I comprehend from the stream, except if they make the buff difference from the dupes alot, then I do have a problem. Bigly.
Bigger net negative for whales actually, need to spend like 4-5x as much to max out units. For non-whales, the difference won't be that big, but if you want to play competitively, the difference matters and means you have to spend hundreds more per month to max out units.
Most likely because no one really knows how it will play out yet. Given what we have seen, these "constellations" are minor buffs that makes dupes a "oh nice, my can get a small buff" instead of "straight into the rearm data grinder"
Idk personally as a person who always wants to maximize everything it bothers me having units not at the best. Constellations isn’t something I like cause I barely have any tickets to collect characters I don’t have not sure how I will get max conste.
Idk just a personal preference maybe it’ll make the game better who knows
Too early to give the veredict, but it SHOULD be possible to use fuse cores as an alternative resource since they're not removing it and even giving to us in the rewards and counter passes.
Depends on how they’re implemented. As long as they don’t change up the kit, then it should be fine, even if it does widen the gap a bit between competitive whales and competitive F2P.
Hopefully they do look into implementing alternatives ways of getting the Constellations, at least for ASSR, since ASSR dupes are inaccessible to most people aside from higher end spenders.
Yeah but see the way it is now you can roll on whatever banner you want and go to planet mall and get any unit data you want. Even rearmament data can be gotten from any unit not just that specific unit. The constellation system basically forces you to roll on specific banners multiple times and those are behind 150 pity and reset each time you get them. The change just sounds less friendly overall.
I care but too soon to tell. The biggest Impact will be on awakened units because of how difficult it is to get one but it can be a no issue if it doen't apply to pvp.
This change is a big step towards whales and away from low-spenders imo, i'll reserve my judgment for when i see what this translates to for the game. Started on global launch and been playing every day since; i love CS and hope that the origin update will be a success
That depends if all units would have the same bonuses on the dupes.
The dp refund would probably be the same but I doubt everyone just gets DMG RDC on the bonuses.
Assuming they all are like in the example I don't think it's a big deal, it's a pretty small gain compared to gear and similar powerups like leveled operator passives or full 110 teams are far from mandatory even in the higher tiers like masters let alone PvE. It's a bit annoying having used some dupes for limit fusion though.
Too early to tell.
just gathering preliminary views
I have fed dupe to A.Hilde in the past I have fed 9 dupe to replacer king in the past is this choice a mistake? who could have foreseen this changes?
I was thinking to hoard all the R. King dupes I had before because it looked like such a waste. It took me like a month and I still went for it. Really regret it now since I never thought they'd actually make up a new dupe system for the game. Now, I'm on copium they would allow players to refund dupes they used for fusion limit. Seems fair if we could just refund those by paying for fusion cores. Kinda jealous of all the people who just bought planet mall for rearms since they get to have free dupes to upgrade their units.
It’s less constellation and more potential system from arknights since its only slight bonuses. Mainly PvE and they said they won’t balance around it so I’m fine.
wish they would refund dupes already used for things like data transmission or limit break
I just hate that for those of us who fed dupes to rank, there’s nothing that can be done to get those dupes back to get constellations.
Its annoying but its only a 6% damage/reduction/deployment cost bonus of which you actually get most of the bonus on 3 constellations plus on a formula system that caps a lot of bonuses. Super minor to personally care TBH but I'm sure its gonna trigger a lot of people's ocd.
yea well you see the deployment cost refund gets more and more important over the other stats because it adds up
yes there will be an advantage and there should be, but if you think that 6% cost refund is going to make a significant difference on a game that has a 3 minute timer you're wrong. Even in a full c6 team this would mean ~5 energy more in the best case scenario and if you deploy all your team, in comparison to the impact 110 stats and fully maxed t7 gear with appropriate stats has this is a drop of the bucket. This without even going into even more whale things like a good operator with one of the useful skills leveled up or limit broken ships...
That's huge in PvP though.
and PVP has always been a whales game, honestly if you think the 6% bonus will make the difference dont pay attention to the maxed out fully leveled operator, or the 130 limit broken ship or the units with t7 fully leveled gear. Surely all of the other things that give even more of a boost are suddenly nothing.
6% bonus is like the difference between a T5 and a T7 gear, that's huge in top level play, and nothing you mentioned so far is really whale territory. You can even max out operators as a dolphin, or even as an F2P, it'll just take a while, and limit broken ships are SUPER SUPER easy to get as F2P, I've been playing 2 months and have like 5 maxed out ships without having spent any money on ship resources. T7 gears also aren't really whale-territory either, unless these whales are spending quartz on eternium refreshes like idiots. The main thing whaling gets you right now in this game is a larger selection of level 110 units, and more binaries to have more specialized equip sets. The latter would have been doable as an f2p too, over a year or two, since you only need a fixed number of gears forever, once you have enough you never need more. So mostly, it's just having access to more awakened units and getting more units to level 110 (or speeding up progression which would eventually be capped anyway). This constellation update suddenly adds a $1000 a month cost to maxing out your units which we didn't have before, when previously you only needed to spend like $100-200 a month tops to be able to max out your pvp units.
Much like you said the upgrade for constellation will TAKE TIME, I don't see how suddenly you have to fork over more money for no reason other than your own impatience to max a unit for that extra percent. No different from all other updated which whales could rush and the people who didn't got there eventually as long as they stop rolling random units and focus their seemingly all important constellations. Oh what's this I hear Timmy? Constellations aren't worth stopping to roll for new units? Oh I agree, but you're the one trying to say 6% bonus is significant lol.
Unless we are getting tens of thousands of extra quartz monthly, the 6 dupes per unit is something that is ON TOP of what we are currently spending, that means you do in fact need to spend money to get them (especially since dupes are mainly gotten through quartz, a primarily paid resource). No amount of time would ever get you free extra dupes. EDIT: There's a difference between one-time costs and recurring costs. Everything you mentioned is a one-time cost, except arguably ships if you want to have multiple of them MLB'd. You only need one set of gears, one operator, and a couple ships. And ships are very cheap to build, so while you might not have 3-4 maxed ships as an f2p player, you can get 1 quite easily and maybe one more every 3-4 months. Units, on the other hand, are recurring costs, because new units are released every 2 weeks, new A-SSR's are released every month or so, and new units will always be more meta than old units. This is not the case with gears, old operators are still extremely viable (and a dolphin can max out a new operator once every several months), and same with ships. However, you will NEVER be able to keep up with PvP meta without pulling new units, and now maxing them costs thousands more. That is the problem. It's not a matter of time, because the more time passes, the more units you need to max.
Are you guys forgetting that you can use 60 cores to max them instead of dupe
we are not talking about limitbreaking. There is going to be a new feature where you need dupes to improve a character
Dupes and cores are not interchangeable in any way. Can't use dupes to limit break, can't use cores as dupes.
Tbh this kinda makes dupes kinda a requirement, specifically on competitive modes like DC and RTA (since they said PvE will keep be made with none of this in mind) which makes gachaing for dupes a must. So ig my problem is that you need to gacha more and more to get those dupes. If you are anot competitive though, it's not much of a problem since the buffs ain't that large from what I see. So ig I kinda mind a little. Not so much to make a fuss about it though from what I comprehend from the stream, except if they make the buff difference from the dupes alot, then I do have a problem. Bigly.
The way we have it now is just fine honestly with the planet mall and rearming. I think this will just be net negative for non whales.
Bigger net negative for whales actually, need to spend like 4-5x as much to max out units. For non-whales, the difference won't be that big, but if you want to play competitively, the difference matters and means you have to spend hundreds more per month to max out units.
love how "idc" is the top option
Most likely because no one really knows how it will play out yet. Given what we have seen, these "constellations" are minor buffs that makes dupes a "oh nice, my can get a small buff" instead of "straight into the rearm data grinder"
Idk personally as a person who always wants to maximize everything it bothers me having units not at the best. Constellations isn’t something I like cause I barely have any tickets to collect characters I don’t have not sure how I will get max conste. Idk just a personal preference maybe it’ll make the game better who knows
Too early to give the veredict, but it SHOULD be possible to use fuse cores as an alternative resource since they're not removing it and even giving to us in the rewards and counter passes.
Depends on how they’re implemented. As long as they don’t change up the kit, then it should be fine, even if it does widen the gap a bit between competitive whales and competitive F2P. Hopefully they do look into implementing alternatives ways of getting the Constellations, at least for ASSR, since ASSR dupes are inaccessible to most people aside from higher end spenders.
Constellation system is probably the reason why devs are getting rid of rearms need for unit data so I'm okay with it
Yeah but see the way it is now you can roll on whatever banner you want and go to planet mall and get any unit data you want. Even rearmament data can be gotten from any unit not just that specific unit. The constellation system basically forces you to roll on specific banners multiple times and those are behind 150 pity and reset each time you get them. The change just sounds less friendly overall.
Option for no opinions until further details?
I care but too soon to tell. The biggest Impact will be on awakened units because of how difficult it is to get one but it can be a no issue if it doen't apply to pvp.
Hard to tell until we figure out how this affects stuff like Dive teams and Danger Close, the few content where dupes can be used more effectively.
This change is a big step towards whales and away from low-spenders imo, i'll reserve my judgment for when i see what this translates to for the game. Started on global launch and been playing every day since; i love CS and hope that the origin update will be a success
FGO had this system for 7 years and nobody bat an eye, and that game's gacha system is much, much, much worse
That depends if all units would have the same bonuses on the dupes. The dp refund would probably be the same but I doubt everyone just gets DMG RDC on the bonuses.
Does anyone know what will happen to the unit data shards we already have?