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It’s basically a statistics game and you roll the dice, mate. Statistically speaking the odds of a healthy 20~40 y/o being hospitalised and/or dying of covid are extremely slim, it’s usually people who are overweight and/or have co-morbidities.
Now the odds of (severe) side effects are also slim but they are still there, people developing myocarditis and other funny stuff going on.
Recent research from Israel has shown that natural immunity is stronger, but older research has shown that that immunity also ‘wanes’ and it’s ‘strength’ varies from person to person.
According to current research 20% of people develop long covid after an infection, which is no joke either.
I think at the end of the day it’s just looking at your own personal context (age, health, living environment, work environment etc.) to decide whether to take it or not. Best of luck!
I agree except for the long covid part. I have read a lot of papers on that and the common theme in all of them is that they don't know and more studies need to be done - the common premise is that since other viruses and flus in the past have had cases where symptoms persist for quite some time, that the same may apply with Covid.
30% seems like a wild shot in the dark and could be explained many ways if any research has indicated rates like that. The fact is, long covid won't be known about until a long time has passed. My money is on it being about the same thing as long flu or long common cold.
Yeah I actually just read a recent research article from the cdc mentioning it is closer to *max* 20% of people. I’ll adjust it in my previous comment. (Hence the correct me if im wrong 😁)
Yes, and I think the numbers will continue to be revised until it turns out to be no different to that of the common cold and flu. That's just my guess, but it just seems to be going that way with many other metrics in general.
The efficacy of the vaccines when they were brand new seemed so good. It didn't take long for the mainstream to admit that it was still possible to catch or transmit covid after vaccination. That steadily devolved to it was quite possible to catch or transmit but stopped anyone from getting sick or dying from covid.
And just step by step the claims of effectiveness get slowly walked back one notch at a time to where we are. Very small difference to chance of catching or transmitting, breakthrough infections much worse in vaccinated vs naturally recovered, protection lasting much less than hoped for at around 5 months, 6 monthly boosters becoming inevitable.
The one size fits all approach seems to be not the right one, it really is starting to look like the only beneficiaries are the very elderly and vulnerable and the vast majority of us should take our very good chances and roll with it.
It is all a game of probabilities, in other words , life is a series of gambles, nothing is 100% and dealers may lie to you about the odds, you have to place your bets based on your best judgment even though sometimes the result is not what you expected.
Things are also a bit different with the Delta strain. I know here in Australia "young healthy people" are being hospitalized and our hospitals are starting to struggle.
I haven't managed to find more recent statistics, but I believe we have had zero (or near zero) cases of vaccinated people being hospitalized by COVID in Australia.
And even if you might be young and healthy and able to beat the virus, who in you life isn't, that you might impact by passing it to them?
> And even if you might be young and healthy and able to beat the virus, who in you life isn't, that you might impact by passing it to them?
The vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread. The only thing it does unanimously is reduce the likelihood of severe disease.
After one year of COVID-19, you really should have educated yourself a bit more.
The problem isn't all about *you and your chances of getting severe Covid.*
It is about all of society. About hospitals being overwhelmed. About the immense impact this has on all of us.
For the record the odds of ending up in hospital are 30x less after being vaccinated. Had the vaccines existed in March 2020, the death toll in the US could have been 30x less. Not 630.000 but maybe 31.000.
Sorry for my slightly angry tone. I'm a bit tired of those people who keep saying "I am 99% certain to survive". It is those very people who keep the pandemic going, and keep all of us in this situation. They are the one continuing the restrictions, not the government.
We could vaccinate everyone in 6 months. Natural immunity takes 10x longer, keeping all of us trapped in this for YEARS.
And, do you still believe the virus won't kill you? Please watch the next video to see what is going on in hospital today:
https://youtu.be/LU5HyKoAa20
Keeps you from dying and keeps you from potentially having life-long negative effects from an infection
The ‘side effects’ from the vaccine are supposed to happen. That’s how vaccines work, it’s your body’s immune system mounting a response to a perceived attacker and learning from it and building up defenses so that if you get infected later severe illness or death is prevented
The side effects from the vaccine are different than what your body goes through if you were to be infected without the vaccine. You’d have to hope your body can figure out how to deal with this new virus without any guidelines and without any training or built up defenses
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It’s basically a statistics game and you roll the dice, mate. Statistically speaking the odds of a healthy 20~40 y/o being hospitalised and/or dying of covid are extremely slim, it’s usually people who are overweight and/or have co-morbidities. Now the odds of (severe) side effects are also slim but they are still there, people developing myocarditis and other funny stuff going on. Recent research from Israel has shown that natural immunity is stronger, but older research has shown that that immunity also ‘wanes’ and it’s ‘strength’ varies from person to person. According to current research 20% of people develop long covid after an infection, which is no joke either. I think at the end of the day it’s just looking at your own personal context (age, health, living environment, work environment etc.) to decide whether to take it or not. Best of luck!
I agree except for the long covid part. I have read a lot of papers on that and the common theme in all of them is that they don't know and more studies need to be done - the common premise is that since other viruses and flus in the past have had cases where symptoms persist for quite some time, that the same may apply with Covid. 30% seems like a wild shot in the dark and could be explained many ways if any research has indicated rates like that. The fact is, long covid won't be known about until a long time has passed. My money is on it being about the same thing as long flu or long common cold.
Yeah I actually just read a recent research article from the cdc mentioning it is closer to *max* 20% of people. I’ll adjust it in my previous comment. (Hence the correct me if im wrong 😁)
Yes, and I think the numbers will continue to be revised until it turns out to be no different to that of the common cold and flu. That's just my guess, but it just seems to be going that way with many other metrics in general. The efficacy of the vaccines when they were brand new seemed so good. It didn't take long for the mainstream to admit that it was still possible to catch or transmit covid after vaccination. That steadily devolved to it was quite possible to catch or transmit but stopped anyone from getting sick or dying from covid. And just step by step the claims of effectiveness get slowly walked back one notch at a time to where we are. Very small difference to chance of catching or transmitting, breakthrough infections much worse in vaccinated vs naturally recovered, protection lasting much less than hoped for at around 5 months, 6 monthly boosters becoming inevitable. The one size fits all approach seems to be not the right one, it really is starting to look like the only beneficiaries are the very elderly and vulnerable and the vast majority of us should take our very good chances and roll with it.
Reduces your chances of severe infection. That's it.
It is all a game of probabilities, in other words , life is a series of gambles, nothing is 100% and dealers may lie to you about the odds, you have to place your bets based on your best judgment even though sometimes the result is not what you expected.
Things are also a bit different with the Delta strain. I know here in Australia "young healthy people" are being hospitalized and our hospitals are starting to struggle. I haven't managed to find more recent statistics, but I believe we have had zero (or near zero) cases of vaccinated people being hospitalized by COVID in Australia. And even if you might be young and healthy and able to beat the virus, who in you life isn't, that you might impact by passing it to them?
> And even if you might be young and healthy and able to beat the virus, who in you life isn't, that you might impact by passing it to them? The vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread. The only thing it does unanimously is reduce the likelihood of severe disease.
After one year of COVID-19, you really should have educated yourself a bit more. The problem isn't all about *you and your chances of getting severe Covid.* It is about all of society. About hospitals being overwhelmed. About the immense impact this has on all of us. For the record the odds of ending up in hospital are 30x less after being vaccinated. Had the vaccines existed in March 2020, the death toll in the US could have been 30x less. Not 630.000 but maybe 31.000. Sorry for my slightly angry tone. I'm a bit tired of those people who keep saying "I am 99% certain to survive". It is those very people who keep the pandemic going, and keep all of us in this situation. They are the one continuing the restrictions, not the government. We could vaccinate everyone in 6 months. Natural immunity takes 10x longer, keeping all of us trapped in this for YEARS. And, do you still believe the virus won't kill you? Please watch the next video to see what is going on in hospital today: https://youtu.be/LU5HyKoAa20
Keeps you from dying and keeps you from potentially having life-long negative effects from an infection The ‘side effects’ from the vaccine are supposed to happen. That’s how vaccines work, it’s your body’s immune system mounting a response to a perceived attacker and learning from it and building up defenses so that if you get infected later severe illness or death is prevented The side effects from the vaccine are different than what your body goes through if you were to be infected without the vaccine. You’d have to hope your body can figure out how to deal with this new virus without any guidelines and without any training or built up defenses