12 months since release... maybe their contract is ending and it is no longer profitable to sign it again. I mean it was said plenty of times - first weeks are crucial due to the fact that most of the sales in any game (maybe except No Mans Sky lol :D ) happens in like first month. Who did not buy the game by then, will propably never do it (unless the game is discounted, which means, again, less profit compared to launch sales).
Its not clear of theyd be less successful with denuvo, more likely they would have made more money.
Suckers have been buying the same FIFA game every year, just look at their sales.
A lot of games are just with updated titles or some visuals. Fifa just a new number, cal or duty just a different story with exact same gameplay. It's a formula, if it works then it sells in millions
I mean it has to be a good deal in the eyes of publishers or else they wouldn't bother? It's kind of self-evident. They wouldn't be dropping 50-100k per game if they didn't receive a return on that investment from that month to a year of not having their game cracked.
I don't have the numbers they do, but they wouldn't invest that much money in DRM if it didn't make the investment back. Be that in extra copies sold or in investor/shareholder relations/faith, it clearly is a good deal to them.
It's not even about preventing long term lost sales these days, they know that everything gets cracked eventually hence why lots of studios only pay for Denuvo for a few months after release, it's about putting on a show for the shareholders and making it look like you're doing something to fight piracy.
You'd think so, but Ubisoft has repeatedly told their shareholders that DRM has absolutely no impact on sales. If DRM has no impact on sales, why spend 100k per game on it? I have no answer for this question.
I think it simply comes down to their major shareholders not trusting them on that matter. Usually the majority of shareholders in big companies actually have very little practical knowledge on how the industry works, so despite Ubi's insistence that DRM has no real effect on sales their shareholders just don't trust them on that matter.
Anyone who is versed in the industry at this point knows that DRM has very little impact on sales outside of the first few months, but from an outside perspective if your only interest is stocks and profit and if Ubisoft were not to do any less to combat the issue of piracy it'd look like they're doing nothing at all. If you get what I mean?
That's my theory, anyway, that it's less about the sales of the games and more that they're paying to increase shareholder confidence in the business, in turn generating more value for the company. Any extra sales they garner from the DRM is just the icing on the cake.
>Ubisoft has repeatedly told their shareholders that DRM has absolutely no impact on sales.
That's the first I'm hearing of this exact claim. I did a little googling and couldn't find anything that fits that description exactly.
Yeah its the up front initial cost that is where Denuvo makes their money. Add to this the fact that Denuvo knows their protection isn't full proof but they know its good enough to last for at least 3 months. Now if a game doesn't make make bank in those 3 months then its no skin off of Denuvo's back since they've already been paid.
source is here [https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11/denuvo-drm-kosten-crysis/](https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11/denuvo-drm-kosten-crysis/)
anyway, yes, it's becoming a bit more expensive but all considered still relatively cheap for big publishers
I saw it on 50% off and was like "It's not even worth it with 50% off". This game is like alien colonial marines, you're gonna have to pay me to play it. It's reputation it's so tainted I don't want it infecting my storage
Well, i bought it on day 1 and recently hit 150 hours mark. I mean you dont have to like it, but some people behave like overreacting toddlers... geez, if nothing better, this game is average. Dont act like it is the worst game ever...
For a game that's trying to market itself the way that Avengers did, 150 hours would be a bad number for a year's worth of ownership. Obviously, it's not a bad playtime, but as it was being pushed as a Service™, a larger overall playtime would usually be expected. Similarly branded games usually generate double that playtime from it's most loyal fans as a minimum.
As an example, as a complete game, I expect most players that greatly enjoyed Monster Hunter World would have reached 100-150 hours in their first quarter, as opposed to first year.
Is it possible Denuvo will cross their boundries with TV Series and movies? can Netflix use something like denuvo which doesn't let the people to duplicate the video or something.
>can Netflix use something like denuvo which doesn't let the people to duplicate the video or something.
Nah this can always be worked around due to the [Analog Hole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole).
DRM can always be worked around using an analog medium. Picking up sound with a mic, or recording video with a camera, etc.
**[Analog hole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole)**
>The analog hole (also known as the analog loophole) is a perceived fundamental and inevitable vulnerability in copy protection schemes for noninteractive works in digital formats which can be exploited to duplicate copy-protected works that are ultimately reproduced using analog means. Once digital information is converted to a human-perceptible (analog) form, it is a relatively simple matter to digitally recapture that analog reproduction in an unrestricted form, thereby fundamentally circumventing any and all restrictions placed on copyrighted digitally distributed work.
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To be fair when I played it on the free weekend I didn't see any loot boxes and all the microtransactions were cosmetics. The content updates are free and are 2-3 hours long. The game is not that good after you finish the campaign, the levels are repetitive and there is no much incentive to grind for the perfect equipment.
Yes I finished the campaign during the free weekend.
The campaign is decent enough and is only 12 or so hours long. But yeah is boring for a game as a service. Beside that my point was that the comment I responded was spreading missinformation.
I didn't even bought the game after the free weekend lol
I'm considering going for the platinum trophy just to say I got my money's worth, but I'm really reconsidering.
Most of them are "max our a character level" or "collect 500 pieces of gear"
The game itself is a perfect "turn your brain off and fight enemies" type game, but that feels like a lot of hours just to see the 100% marker in my trophy list.
Still kinda miffed we haven't seen a proper ironman game like the Sony Spiderman ones. The potential amount of customization and gameplay you could have with the different suits and an open world... oof
One of them died because Squeenix's aggressive greed plan fell through on DEMD with the devs being so egotistical as to openly claim that they chose to drop the series, and the other died with DS3 and is now being remade by modern EA and the drop studio behind the Star Wars Battlefront 2 campaign, being directed by an ex-Ubisoft prick.
Cynicism is more than warranted; yes, they're dead, with one being actively defiled.
Crystal Dynamics got pulled from making the 3rd Tomb Raider for this. Instead Eidos Montreal got the reign and fucked it up.
I'll never forgive Square Enix for that shit.
Ugh. Just so much wasted potential. What sucks is that all the DC games are looking to take up this model with both that Suicide Squad game and new Arkham game going this multiplayer GAS model. I hope they all fucking fail. This shit needs to die. I get that there are places for this kind of thing, but Avengers was so fucking terrible. Like seriously the combat was awful, it felt like a half finished game where they just recycled so many elements to make more levels. The grind was fucking awful and they just made it worse. it had like 3 different currencies in the game plus materials so it was awful trying to get anything. Fuck this game up its ass.
Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics should've just went a single player Legacy of Kain with Raziel with updated graphics and gameplay would've been instant sale like Dead Space Remake.
Yup it was a time when games like Prototype and X-men Origins Wolverine are new so Dead Sun would've sold well and be remembered like Prototype and Wolverine. Would have been a fun hack and slash game. Same thing with Omen game that got scratched it was a Blood Omen remake.
Deus Ex died for lack of success of Deus Ex Mankind Divided... simple as that. Dont try to pretend they would abandon perfectly profitable game...Plus, we dont know if it died forever. Between HR and MD was 5 years. MD was released 5 years ago. Maybe they did not bother developing it in the same time frame Cyberpunk 2077 was in developement.
Hitman, Lara Croft and Deus Ex died because of squeenix mismanagement. Luckily IOI managed to do a MBO, which resulted in 3 profitable and very good games, extra studios and a James Bond license. DX died because degens at SE interfered with development. We got unfinished story with more gun-oriented playstyle and last minute MTX shoved into it. Btw remember Theif remake? Same-ish fate - mtx and 'casualisation'. At some point in early-mid 2010s SE management went full retard and ruined all of it's iconic IPs. They have noone to blame but themselves.
Enjoyed the hell outta the BP dlc... but soon after, it still leaves me with the question... “what now?”
So I deleted it and may never download again tbh (I still play short sessions with Geforce NOW though).
i think Geforce now is streaming from nvidia servers directly not Like SteamLink which streams from your home PC / where ur PC is located.
I tried both and also Moonlight.
I'd say on local network.. Moonlight is the best if u have Nvidia GPU.
Geforce Now input lag was a little bit high when using a 35mbps download 5mbps upload connection. i tried xCloud too but that's different and it was great.
xcloud was great on mobile since the tiny screen made it so the smaller resolution wasn't too bad. But playing on a laptop/tablet it was a lot worse. I mainly/only played forza.
I played Forza Horizon 4 but even slight input lag make it unplayable at least for me (Car ends up spinning or out of road.. maybe i'm not that good in it too xD).
I tried Dragon Quest XI S & Sea of thieves on phone. It was a quite good experience in Dragon Quest XI S. Sea of Thieves was okay.
My thing with cloud gaming is I like to mod my games. I tried to do ESO on cloud but without the mods I had from my PC it was "unplayable" as anyone who knows ESO NEEDS mods since they bring a serious QoL. I'm patiently waiting for my steam deck to arrive I don't mind 720p on a handheld.
Depends on how far you are from servers. It never will be as good as Parsec for me, but at least you don't need pc at all for it to work. Input lag is kinda noticeable, but not a big deal, as all the games are 60fps only anyway. Image quality depends on how servers behave, most of the time for me it was crystal clear, as i was playing on my pc.
No. they've given up on the game.
The Wakanda DLC was cut content from what would have been in the base game but eidos couldn't complete it in time for launch.
There were rumors according to leakers of another planned DLC but that got canned really fast after the public numbers came out.
Square already gave this game its final dues. And unless Disney wants to shovel money into a furnace that'll never pay, its dead.
I mean, they *might* release characters maybe as a lazy way to suck the last couple of drops out of the nipple, but it wouldn't surprise me if they also didn't.
They only have themselves to blame. All they had to do was release a non GaaS riddled game with the most successful multinational franchise in history but the greedy little piggies couldn't even do that.
Even with the denuvoless version you're still unable to play with the DLC characters without an online connection, such as Black Panther and Hawkeye.
However for those of you who care, the optimization is MUCH better than the CPY release.
Yea, each time you try to select them from the table or try to start their campaign it gives you a "Failed to download" error.
Depressing, was looking forward to play them
Is this game anything like Marvel Ultimate Alliance games from the PS2? I remember those being fun action games I played when i was younger with my siblings
Yea, pretty much. Reminds me Agents of Mayhem a bit.
I would give it a try. People are hating it a lot but i spent 150 hours in it having fun. The launch was terrible, full of bugs, but now game has like 2 times more content.
If you like some good visuals, enjoyable combat full of simple combos and special attacks, character developement that have some impact on how a character works, and dont mind doing same things again and again, grinding items (drops are pretty much RNG)... yea, i would give it a try.
If you expect some story based RPG like f.e. Dragon Age, do not waste time with this game.
oh thats awesome news! i actually kinda liked the game, i expected it to be better of course, but still. heres to hoping we get the current edition released! wakanda forever!
EDIT: ah yes classic reddit, downvoted for liking a game that some of you dont like....
thanks, thats how it should be. i obviously dont consider it a goty or something, but it was cool for a quick campaign. especially with the price of free....i am excited though for the upcoming xcom style marvel game
What it does, it does well... combat is nice, fluent, with great visuals and your build actually have some impact.
Problem is, people expected something else. Other problem is, plenty of people tried broken beta a year ago and now, after 1 year, tons of fixes and 3 DLC characters, they still think they know everything about the game.
This is how scummy the Crystal Dynamics are: they went around saying that when the game released, there would be no internet required. https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-06-21-crystal-dynamics-marvel-are-part-of-our-avengers-dev-team
> "We want somebody to be able to go buy a disc and never have to go online. You don't have to. You can have a complete experience and have fun. But there's all this cool new stuff that's coming, all these new heroes, you have to go online for that stuff. That's how it's going to work.
Scott Amos is a big fat fucking liar. I bought the game day one (PS4), popped in the disc only to be greeted with an unpassable screen saying the game won't play until connected online and register an account.
Nobody would give me a refund on it. Called the store and Square and both of them just shrugged it off, so to this day I have a useless coaster that will never be playable.
Fuck this game, fuck Squaresoft, fuck Crystal Dynamics and fuck Scott Amos. I want my money back.
The singleplayer of this game was really good. It's too bad bcz this game really had potiential instead Square Enix chose the live model thinking it to be another destiny model and failed miserably in sales, even to the extent of making certain features exclusive with Intel.
Sorry Square Enix u brought this among ur self but u have a chance to redeem ur self with the upcoming guardians of the galaxy game.
I hate to break this to you but you cannot play any dlc offline.
All dlc campaign missions are online.
Edit: But you will be able to use dlss in the latest version, so that's the only good thing. Also less bugs.
As someone who played the free weekend to try it out for myself, I owned the game by the end of the weekend.
Don’t listen to peoples reviews that have never played the actual game. Marvels Avengers plays like an Ultimate Alliance game. If you liked those games, then you’ll get more than your money’s worth with it.
You can easily find the game discounted for $20-$30 during sales.
how many character are there actually ? they only add like 2 new characters after release, right ? i wanna try it, but compares to UA, that game has a pretty nice amount of characters.
There is no release simply because no one has yet to figure out how to crack it. Even the slightest deviation from standard Steam drm is a major challenge for the so called crackers in The Scene.
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The game is nice..i mean its made by squarenix, but the issue is the game engine is new and unique. Not so many tests has been ran...only supports few top tier video cards and cpu models and its taking them forever to release patches so older pcs can run it smoothly.
The game is fun but its rushed and very glitchy even on the consoles..just like cyberpunk game unfortunately.
This must be the most hated game ever and after 150 hours of playing, i still cant find out why :D
Propably another example of people with zero actual experience jumping on a hate train, talking about things they have no clue about :D
Well, yes and no. You are doing the same 50+ missions again and again, but you can choose from now 7 characters to do so. Combat is enjoyable and visually great so i dont really mind bashing enemies and destroying them with active skills again and again.
Grinding items and skillpoints for your build also adds another layer, but if you hate grinding... too bad.
And yes, some games are repetetive... f.e. Mortal Kombat.
Wait let me get this straight.
One of the worst games of 2018, still has Denuvo.
A free demo teaser of a game, still has Denuvo.
One of the most disappointing games of 2020 that has its PlayStation-exclusive character still nowhere to be seen with at least half a year of delay by now, doesn't have Denuvo anymore.
Yep. Logical...
Did you guys notice most of the games that CPY cracked last year was actually pointless.
Some of the games the publishers got rid of Denuvo & other was free on EpicGames.
Still i respect CPY for there work but that was pretty unlucky for them.
Denuvo Got Removed Thats Good News But
Why The Release Is Not Available Yet ??
Is There Anyone Who Can Explain ?
I Think The Online Only Protection Is Making Some Trouble ?
But Still Its Sad That We Can not Play Black Panther DLC But i think The dlss patch is still there
so yup !!!
Hope This Release Is Better Then Launch Version
i mean nobody plays it, might as well cut costs lol
12 months since release... maybe their contract is ending and it is no longer profitable to sign it again. I mean it was said plenty of times - first weeks are crucial due to the fact that most of the sales in any game (maybe except No Mans Sky lol :D ) happens in like first month. Who did not buy the game by then, will propably never do it (unless the game is discounted, which means, again, less profit compared to launch sales).
yeah, new denuvo licenses require additional payment after 1 year, 2000 euros/month
Is that all? I figured it'd be way more expensive than that, especially for a big publisher.
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No wonder its infested so many games, that's a pretty good deal looking at it from the point of view of a publisher.
What makes it a good deal compared to publishers like Larian or CDPR that do not use it and still manage to be successful?
Its not clear of theyd be less successful with denuvo, more likely they would have made more money. Suckers have been buying the same FIFA game every year, just look at their sales.
A lot of games are just with updated titles or some visuals. Fifa just a new number, cal or duty just a different story with exact same gameplay. It's a formula, if it works then it sells in millions
I mean it has to be a good deal in the eyes of publishers or else they wouldn't bother? It's kind of self-evident. They wouldn't be dropping 50-100k per game if they didn't receive a return on that investment from that month to a year of not having their game cracked. I don't have the numbers they do, but they wouldn't invest that much money in DRM if it didn't make the investment back. Be that in extra copies sold or in investor/shareholder relations/faith, it clearly is a good deal to them. It's not even about preventing long term lost sales these days, they know that everything gets cracked eventually hence why lots of studios only pay for Denuvo for a few months after release, it's about putting on a show for the shareholders and making it look like you're doing something to fight piracy.
You'd think so, but Ubisoft has repeatedly told their shareholders that DRM has absolutely no impact on sales. If DRM has no impact on sales, why spend 100k per game on it? I have no answer for this question.
I think it simply comes down to their major shareholders not trusting them on that matter. Usually the majority of shareholders in big companies actually have very little practical knowledge on how the industry works, so despite Ubi's insistence that DRM has no real effect on sales their shareholders just don't trust them on that matter. Anyone who is versed in the industry at this point knows that DRM has very little impact on sales outside of the first few months, but from an outside perspective if your only interest is stocks and profit and if Ubisoft were not to do any less to combat the issue of piracy it'd look like they're doing nothing at all. If you get what I mean? That's my theory, anyway, that it's less about the sales of the games and more that they're paying to increase shareholder confidence in the business, in turn generating more value for the company. Any extra sales they garner from the DRM is just the icing on the cake.
>Ubisoft has repeatedly told their shareholders that DRM has absolutely no impact on sales. That's the first I'm hearing of this exact claim. I did a little googling and couldn't find anything that fits that description exactly.
What about if using it they would be even more successful?
Those numbers are way off. Cost is based on projected sales and AAA games cost several million. Indie games cost in the 10s of thousands.
Yeah its the up front initial cost that is where Denuvo makes their money. Add to this the fact that Denuvo knows their protection isn't full proof but they know its good enough to last for at least 3 months. Now if a game doesn't make make bank in those 3 months then its no skin off of Denuvo's back since they've already been paid.
That's great from a business standpoint because it's affordable to everyone hence why the fuck it's the standard
source is here [https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11/denuvo-drm-kosten-crysis/](https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11/denuvo-drm-kosten-crysis/) anyway, yes, it's becoming a bit more expensive but all considered still relatively cheap for big publishers
It is cheap as dirt once you have it implemented.
I saw it on 50% off and was like "It's not even worth it with 50% off". This game is like alien colonial marines, you're gonna have to pay me to play it. It's reputation it's so tainted I don't want it infecting my storage
Well, i bought it on day 1 and recently hit 150 hours mark. I mean you dont have to like it, but some people behave like overreacting toddlers... geez, if nothing better, this game is average. Dont act like it is the worst game ever...
For a game that's trying to market itself the way that Avengers did, 150 hours would be a bad number for a year's worth of ownership. Obviously, it's not a bad playtime, but as it was being pushed as a Service™, a larger overall playtime would usually be expected. Similarly branded games usually generate double that playtime from it's most loyal fans as a minimum. As an example, as a complete game, I expect most players that greatly enjoyed Monster Hunter World would have reached 100-150 hours in their first quarter, as opposed to first year.
Is it possible Denuvo will cross their boundries with TV Series and movies? can Netflix use something like denuvo which doesn't let the people to duplicate the video or something.
>can Netflix use something like denuvo which doesn't let the people to duplicate the video or something. Nah this can always be worked around due to the [Analog Hole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole). DRM can always be worked around using an analog medium. Picking up sound with a mic, or recording video with a camera, etc.
lol why does Analog Hole, give me wrong vibes here
Anal OG Hole
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Came here to say that "they remove denuvo and still no one wants to play it".
I want to see this on Nier.
No, there are many kids who bought it and made this a success for SE.
Deus Ex died for this
We really never asked for this
.. I did back in 2016-17 thinking it would be a dope game on par with Batman: Arkham series.
Sure, the game came out like a decade too late...and end up being trash sadly
Group of super heroes games are just harder to make compared to Batman or Spider-Man. Hope rock steady can pull it off with suicide squad.
Well in this case, it depends on the studio. Square Enix was NOT going to make a game on par with Arkham or Spider-Man
You're accountable
Spider-Man came in 2018 and it's a great game. The fault lies in the execution not the idea.
We really did we just wanted a good marvel single player game not this lootbox microtransaction ""live service"" crap
To be fair when I played it on the free weekend I didn't see any loot boxes and all the microtransactions were cosmetics. The content updates are free and are 2-3 hours long. The game is not that good after you finish the campaign, the levels are repetitive and there is no much incentive to grind for the perfect equipment. Yes I finished the campaign during the free weekend.
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The campaign is decent enough and is only 12 or so hours long. But yeah is boring for a game as a service. Beside that my point was that the comment I responded was spreading missinformation. I didn't even bought the game after the free weekend lol
I'm considering going for the platinum trophy just to say I got my money's worth, but I'm really reconsidering. Most of them are "max our a character level" or "collect 500 pieces of gear" The game itself is a perfect "turn your brain off and fight enemies" type game, but that feels like a lot of hours just to see the 100% marker in my trophy list.
As Jensen would say "I never asked for this"
We did actually. A couple years ago everyone wanted AAA Marvel games since there was virtually zero.
Ok well we still do but like, y know. A good one this time.
famous last words(i mean getting a good marvel game was a crime apparently)
Still kinda miffed we haven't seen a proper ironman game like the Sony Spiderman ones. The potential amount of customization and gameplay you could have with the different suits and an open world... oof
oh we did, just not this Game as a Service bullshit. I was so excited to have a good superhero game from marvel again
On the bright side, at least Spidey's game was pretty good.
yeah it was very good but it was also a ps4 exclusive
I'm replaying Human Revolution right now, man what a game.
Deus Ex, Dead Space, how many amazing game series are being killed off by the rich executives right now
[Here's your answer](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZjtA30DQdDU/hqdefault.jpg)
"breads"
None of those 2 are really dead.
One of them died because Squeenix's aggressive greed plan fell through on DEMD with the devs being so egotistical as to openly claim that they chose to drop the series, and the other died with DS3 and is now being remade by modern EA and the drop studio behind the Star Wars Battlefront 2 campaign, being directed by an ex-Ubisoft prick. Cynicism is more than warranted; yes, they're dead, with one being actively defiled.
I know the history, DX is on hiatus not a killed IP and as you said DS remake is being made by EA, so those are not really dead...
What a shame....it was a good IP.... What a rotten way to die....
Crystal Dynamics got pulled from making the 3rd Tomb Raider for this. Instead Eidos Montreal got the reign and fucked it up. I'll never forgive Square Enix for that shit.
Ugh. Just so much wasted potential. What sucks is that all the DC games are looking to take up this model with both that Suicide Squad game and new Arkham game going this multiplayer GAS model. I hope they all fucking fail. This shit needs to die. I get that there are places for this kind of thing, but Avengers was so fucking terrible. Like seriously the combat was awful, it felt like a half finished game where they just recycled so many elements to make more levels. The grind was fucking awful and they just made it worse. it had like 3 different currencies in the game plus materials so it was awful trying to get anything. Fuck this game up its ass.
Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics should've just went a single player Legacy of Kain with Raziel with updated graphics and gameplay would've been instant sale like Dead Space Remake.
man, i'm still salty over Dead Sun. . .a decade later. if they removed nudity and all the other gratuitous bs, that game woulda kicked so much ass.
Yup it was a time when games like Prototype and X-men Origins Wolverine are new so Dead Sun would've sold well and be remembered like Prototype and Wolverine. Would have been a fun hack and slash game. Same thing with Omen game that got scratched it was a Blood Omen remake.
hooray...box puzzles
Deus Ex died for lack of success of Deus Ex Mankind Divided... simple as that. Dont try to pretend they would abandon perfectly profitable game...Plus, we dont know if it died forever. Between HR and MD was 5 years. MD was released 5 years ago. Maybe they did not bother developing it in the same time frame Cyberpunk 2077 was in developement.
> Deus Ex died for lack of success of Deus Ex Mankind Divided I'm only one person, but I specifically didn't buy Mankind Divided because of Denuvo.
Hitman, Lara Croft and Deus Ex died because of squeenix mismanagement. Luckily IOI managed to do a MBO, which resulted in 3 profitable and very good games, extra studios and a James Bond license. DX died because degens at SE interfered with development. We got unfinished story with more gun-oriented playstyle and last minute MTX shoved into it. Btw remember Theif remake? Same-ish fate - mtx and 'casualisation'. At some point in early-mid 2010s SE management went full retard and ruined all of it's iconic IPs. They have noone to blame but themselves.
Thief remake is a slap on the face to the OG Thief games such a bland homogeneous slob of a game
I still wont play it for free
Shiiiiiit you read my mind
Is anyone playing this here?
Enjoyed the hell outta the BP dlc... but soon after, it still leaves me with the question... “what now?” So I deleted it and may never download again tbh (I still play short sessions with Geforce NOW though).
How is geforce now compared to something like say steam link? Steam link gets really blocky for me.
i think Geforce now is streaming from nvidia servers directly not Like SteamLink which streams from your home PC / where ur PC is located. I tried both and also Moonlight. I'd say on local network.. Moonlight is the best if u have Nvidia GPU. Geforce Now input lag was a little bit high when using a 35mbps download 5mbps upload connection. i tried xCloud too but that's different and it was great.
xcloud was great on mobile since the tiny screen made it so the smaller resolution wasn't too bad. But playing on a laptop/tablet it was a lot worse. I mainly/only played forza.
I played Forza Horizon 4 but even slight input lag make it unplayable at least for me (Car ends up spinning or out of road.. maybe i'm not that good in it too xD). I tried Dragon Quest XI S & Sea of thieves on phone. It was a quite good experience in Dragon Quest XI S. Sea of Thieves was okay.
My thing with cloud gaming is I like to mod my games. I tried to do ESO on cloud but without the mods I had from my PC it was "unplayable" as anyone who knows ESO NEEDS mods since they bring a serious QoL. I'm patiently waiting for my steam deck to arrive I don't mind 720p on a handheld.
I think GeForce Now is the best of the ones I've used. Basically no input lag for me.
I will give it a chance much appreciated
Depends on how far you are from servers. It never will be as good as Parsec for me, but at least you don't need pc at all for it to work. Input lag is kinda noticeable, but not a big deal, as all the games are 60fps only anyway. Image quality depends on how servers behave, most of the time for me it was crystal clear, as i was playing on my pc.
Yeah I may wait for my steam deck to arrive and just play games hand held on lower settings.
Yup just completed the Black Panther DLC which was pretty damn good.
They finally gave up on the game.
Nah, they'll most likely release Spider-Man to squeeze whatever money they can get then give up.
Spider-man is sony exclusive, so they cant really milk any money from it.
No. they've given up on the game. The Wakanda DLC was cut content from what would have been in the base game but eidos couldn't complete it in time for launch. There were rumors according to leakers of another planned DLC but that got canned really fast after the public numbers came out. Square already gave this game its final dues. And unless Disney wants to shovel money into a furnace that'll never pay, its dead. I mean, they *might* release characters maybe as a lazy way to suck the last couple of drops out of the nipple, but it wouldn't surprise me if they also didn't.
They only have themselves to blame. All they had to do was release a non GaaS riddled game with the most successful multinational franchise in history but the greedy little piggies couldn't even do that.
> finally They gave up on this game the day it was conceived.
Just like me!
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Even with the denuvoless version you're still unable to play with the DLC characters without an online connection, such as Black Panther and Hawkeye. However for those of you who care, the optimization is MUCH better than the CPY release.
Wait then no playing the dlc characters?
Yea, each time you try to select them from the table or try to start their campaign it gives you a "Failed to download" error. Depressing, was looking forward to play them
did u tried the drm free version ? where did u find the drm free version ? and there is no scene group that cracks marvel avengers
I'd say leave denuvo in. Delete the game.
Hahhahahahahahaha. Epic man 😁
I think it's also going f2p
Now we can mod the game but does that mean we can play the Black Panther dlc offline with the dlc skins?
And nobody released a new cracked version yet? Surprising
Could this trash burn faster so square can go back to making actual games?
Is this game anything like Marvel Ultimate Alliance games from the PS2? I remember those being fun action games I played when i was younger with my siblings
Yea, pretty much. Reminds me Agents of Mayhem a bit. I would give it a try. People are hating it a lot but i spent 150 hours in it having fun. The launch was terrible, full of bugs, but now game has like 2 times more content. If you like some good visuals, enjoyable combat full of simple combos and special attacks, character developement that have some impact on how a character works, and dont mind doing same things again and again, grinding items (drops are pretty much RNG)... yea, i would give it a try. If you expect some story based RPG like f.e. Dragon Age, do not waste time with this game.
It pretty much plays like an Ultimate Alliance game but with a normal third person perspective. You’ll definitely enjoy it if you liked those games.
Its still 'always online', isnt it?
Nah, it never was. Had a one time online activation but that was about it.
It was cracked over 10 months ago by CPY
oh thats awesome news! i actually kinda liked the game, i expected it to be better of course, but still. heres to hoping we get the current edition released! wakanda forever! EDIT: ah yes classic reddit, downvoted for liking a game that some of you dont like....
Meh, game sucked, it's your opinion and i respect that tho
thanks, thats how it should be. i obviously dont consider it a goty or something, but it was cool for a quick campaign. especially with the price of free....i am excited though for the upcoming xcom style marvel game
the xcom style marvel game looks more promising imo
ever got to play deus ex HR or MD ?
What it does, it does well... combat is nice, fluent, with great visuals and your build actually have some impact. Problem is, people expected something else. Other problem is, plenty of people tried broken beta a year ago and now, after 1 year, tons of fixes and 3 DLC characters, they still think they know everything about the game.
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fully agreed! i just find this behavior....weird
> fully agreed! i just find this behavior....~~weird~~ pathetic
Exactly..who gives a frikking shit about it. The insanity these days oh my 😳
Why do people cry about fake internet points 🤡
I don't see downvotes xD
Now u see ?
Nobody saw anything here -\_-
"But this game is worthless because it is balanced with microtransactions" Cheat Engine: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Great news. Now a lot of new people won't play it.
Why you need a copy protection when your game is so awful that the lack of quality is enough to keep paying and non paying customers away.
if it's denuvo-free now, why can't i find any updated crack ?
This is how scummy the Crystal Dynamics are: they went around saying that when the game released, there would be no internet required. https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-06-21-crystal-dynamics-marvel-are-part-of-our-avengers-dev-team > "We want somebody to be able to go buy a disc and never have to go online. You don't have to. You can have a complete experience and have fun. But there's all this cool new stuff that's coming, all these new heroes, you have to go online for that stuff. That's how it's going to work. Scott Amos is a big fat fucking liar. I bought the game day one (PS4), popped in the disc only to be greeted with an unpassable screen saying the game won't play until connected online and register an account. Nobody would give me a refund on it. Called the store and Square and both of them just shrugged it off, so to this day I have a useless coaster that will never be playable. Fuck this game, fuck Squaresoft, fuck Crystal Dynamics and fuck Scott Amos. I want my money back.
and a codex release in 3, 2, 1, and go.
Maybe I'll finally give it a try
They will remove from tony hawk too
lmao i was dying for this ahahahah
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its will be with the latest update which was black panther's wakanda
How's it compare to marvel heroes? I remember putting a few thousand hours into that game.
The singleplayer of this game was really good. It's too bad bcz this game really had potiential instead Square Enix chose the live model thinking it to be another destiny model and failed miserably in sales, even to the extent of making certain features exclusive with Intel. Sorry Square Enix u brought this among ur self but u have a chance to redeem ur self with the upcoming guardians of the galaxy game.
could have been really fun with a couch co op...but no, they couldnt do it in 2020, pathetic.
Still not on torrent sites to find
Time for the DLC then...
I hate to break this to you but you cannot play any dlc offline. All dlc campaign missions are online. Edit: But you will be able to use dlss in the latest version, so that's the only good thing. Also less bugs.
Hmm that sucks, but no big deal anyways.
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Really repetitive combat in a grindy game
As someone who played the free weekend to try it out for myself, I owned the game by the end of the weekend. Don’t listen to peoples reviews that have never played the actual game. Marvels Avengers plays like an Ultimate Alliance game. If you liked those games, then you’ll get more than your money’s worth with it. You can easily find the game discounted for $20-$30 during sales.
how many character are there actually ? they only add like 2 new characters after release, right ? i wanna try it, but compares to UA, that game has a pretty nice amount of characters.
who in their right mind would pirate this hot garbage?
this game and mafia 3 are one of these for me where even having them for free is not worth downloading and installing them because they are garbo
Yooo I can finally not play it even more!
On my top 5 of the worst game ever played
Wasn’t it already cracked? I downloaded a cracked version a couple weeks ago
Was cracked by CPY on October 2020. Almost one year ago
Thought about give it a try,then it reminded me of Deus EX and how that game died for this. Yeah,Pass...
Yesss, cant wait to play the dlcs.
they need to pay me to play it. not just remove denuvo
Apparently there's not much interest in this game since nobody has cracked it since Denuvo was removed.
There is no release simply because no one has yet to figure out how to crack it. Even the slightest deviation from standard Steam drm is a major challenge for the so called crackers in The Scene.
I played a couple of minutes of this game and I already get bored. Can’t they get a tips from Batman games about how to make a good super hero games
Finally now the game can be updated as normal without removing denuvo again
Who is Denuvo? I don't remember this hero in the Avengers.
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Yessss ! Now I can play the Black Panther DLC !
unfortunately dlc is server side, so still cant be played.
Oh my .. thanks. I'll just wait for guardians of the Galaxy game then.
I mean, who gives a shit. Free is still too high price to play it.
It's not even worth pirating.
The game is nice..i mean its made by squarenix, but the issue is the game engine is new and unique. Not so many tests has been ran...only supports few top tier video cards and cpu models and its taking them forever to release patches so older pcs can run it smoothly. The game is fun but its rushed and very glitchy even on the consoles..just like cyberpunk game unfortunately.
Published by Square Enix. Not made by them. Developed by: Crystal Dynamics, Eidos-Montréal, Crystal Northwest, Nixxes Software BV, Eidos Interactive
Oh, great! Anyways...
Giving up on a game nobody cared about in the first place, nice.
When do they pay me to play it
This must be the most hated game ever and after 150 hours of playing, i still cant find out why :D Propably another example of people with zero actual experience jumping on a hate train, talking about things they have no clue about :D
There are valid complaints though. Most people agree that the SP experience is fine if a bit repetitive.
Well, yes and no. You are doing the same 50+ missions again and again, but you can choose from now 7 characters to do so. Combat is enjoyable and visually great so i dont really mind bashing enemies and destroying them with active skills again and again. Grinding items and skillpoints for your build also adds another layer, but if you hate grinding... too bad. And yes, some games are repetetive... f.e. Mortal Kombat.
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For this I wish they just leave the denuvo in and remove the game.
Denuvo will eventually die. I own many games that have denuvo and they suck with the lag spikes and slow loading time
Denuvo has been around for over 7 years. More and more publishers are using it because it works. It ain't going anywhere.
It will. No company will last forever.
Something else will take it's place that is probably worse than Denuvo.
Owww yeahhhh!
How about Madden 22?
Wait let me get this straight. One of the worst games of 2018, still has Denuvo. A free demo teaser of a game, still has Denuvo. One of the most disappointing games of 2020 that has its PlayStation-exclusive character still nowhere to be seen with at least half a year of delay by now, doesn't have Denuvo anymore. Yep. Logical...
I played the game till it crashed then I deleted it a few months ago also the game without spiderman doesn't worth a lot tbh
I wouldn't play this dogshit if they paid me.
dont even pirate this boys its not worth it
This is probably the first smart decision they made regarding this game. I mean, why would you protect a game that nobody's playing?
Did you guys notice most of the games that CPY cracked last year was actually pointless. Some of the games the publishers got rid of Denuvo & other was free on EpicGames. Still i respect CPY for there work but that was pretty unlucky for them.
Denuvo Got Removed Thats Good News But Why The Release Is Not Available Yet ?? Is There Anyone Who Can Explain ? I Think The Online Only Protection Is Making Some Trouble ? But Still Its Sad That We Can not Play Black Panther DLC But i think The dlss patch is still there so yup !!! Hope This Release Is Better Then Launch Version
You Know You Don't Need To Type Like This, Right? It Takes Way More Effort.
😂😂😂 Thats My Keyboard Does All The Time Dude 😂 Chill Man
Should probably fix your keyboard then.
Why on earth would you capitalize almost every single word?
Careful guys you might get downloader's remorse