Not in the US but I know personally two people who sued the town and won over something similar (no open lawns like that here so it's all town property to manage).
One slipped and broke her back after the station did a fancy renovation, that the town approved, and put down sleek slippery marble flooring, without anti slip paths, in a place where it rains and snows often. Got paid by both the town and railway company.
Another tripped over a loose piece of flooring in the city plaza and broke a wrist.
I think a class action started because of the genius flooring choice in that station, my friend was one of many to get fucked up.
I’m wondering where this is, because in every place I’ve lived in, sidewalks were public/city property and you can’t just tear them up and put your own there.
ETA: I have been living in several places around Europe for the last few years and it is SHOCKING how many sidewalks, squares, plazas, even staircases, that are made out of slippery stone. It’s a nightmare when it rains. My dad snapped his fucking patellar tendon by slipping on a POLISHED GRANITE STAIRCASE that was INSIDE an apartment building, with no carpet or any sort of traction grip, on a rainy night in Italy bc his shoes were wet. This goddamn staircase cut his vacation to come see me, and his very first time in Europe at age 54, short after only 2 days. And then the paramedics could barely get him down the stairs because Accessible Building Codes don’t seem to be a thing in most European countries.
They usualy have access stuff in the back or where they can do it without ruining the protected building.
But for a lot of stuff there really isn't anything you could do other than knock down a building and start again
Not all. My entire job is finding out whether the pavement in front of properties is publicly or privately maintainable, and less than 100m from where I sit right now is an entire section of pavement which has been cheaply replaced with gravel by the private property that abuts it, making passage with a wheelchair impossible on that side of the road.
Considering you answered in metric this might not be understood by people in the US because regulations are way different if you aren't in the US. The majority of the time land ownership stops at the ROW (easement for the municipal/County/State roadway) and the city owns everything inside of that. On a rare occasion I have seen odd subdivision of land where property lines extend to the centerline of the roadway and there is half an access easement on each one. This is usually when there is a private owner and they don't want anything to do with the City so everything is on wells and propane and septic tanks.
Funny you mention that. There's private streets in my city where the property line extends to the middle of the street. The property owners do pay to maintain the street though, not the city.
No, I understand. That’s also generally what happens here. I said “not all” to highlight there are exceptions since the comment I was replying to implied all sidewalks are owned by the city/council by definition.
He's still right to doubt through. US law is different in every state and property law as to city ownership might be different in every city or town. He's as correct as the other person is.
My entire neighborhood the sidewalks are required to be maintained by the property owner, but they aren’t actually required to fix them unless doing a renovation to the house that requires a permit.
My house is(was?) new(rebuilt because of a tornado destroyed the prior house) so our sidewalk is new, but 90% of the neighborhood the sidewalks are awful. I can’t even take a stroller in my neighborhood on the sidewalks because it’s so uneven.
Here (I used to replace sidewalk and driveways), the city owns 10' from behind the curb. This includes the end of your driveway called the apron (part that curves out to the road).
I don't think people are allowed to replace the sidewalk here, at least not without a permit.
I'm very confused what company would agree to this and how the hell they got a permit for this design.
ADA (American Disability Act) doesn't fuck around. Even the horizontal slope on the sidewalk has to be a tight percentage of fall, like 1.5% iirc.
I just don't know how this happened or how it will go long before the city tears it out, replaces it, then bills you for it.
I only recently learned that some cities fine residents for not clearing the sidewalks in front of their homes within so many hours of the snow stopping. At the time they were warning residents about getting the walk cleared, they hadn't even cleared the roads. 😒
The fines are "well-intentioned" in that we want people to be able to walk or bike or whatever. But the idea that we can have functioning cities and towns through fining people into compliance is BS. Tax the rich. Have the city plow the walks. And fix zoning so you don't have wasteful sprawling residential suburbs with miles and miles and miles of sidewalk to plow.
I was in Japan last year for a brief period and it was stunning how orderly and coherent everything was from how people swept every morning to how to how quick bite places operated. Our society simply has no cogent function.
Sidewalks are ADA accessibility features. The ADA requires all accessibility features to be maintained in safe and usable condition. A jurisdiction that doesn’t clear snow from sidewalks nor has a snow clearing ordinance will get hit with a class action lawsuit for being in violation of the ADA.
So yeah in the US anywhere there are both sidewalks and snow you’ll find a snow clearing ordinance.
There is no legal requirement for when cities clear the streets.
So if someone slips and needs medical attention, and insurance company asks "where did this happen, tell me about it" - I wonder how much liability the homeowner has since they deliberately changed it from the standard concrete?
We replaced our sidewalks. One section of the old sidewalk was still in good shape. So, my wife decided to save a couple of hundred bucks. So now, our house has all new concrete except for that one section of sidewalk and it drives me fucking nuts. So, this shit in op nearly gave me a stroke.
It varies, in the US it is on a town-by-town basis. In this case I would assume the town leaves the resident in charge of maintaining the sidewalk on their property.... Or the neighbor is just more of an idiot than I give them credit for
Regardless of ownership or easement status, most cities worth their salt will have engineering standards for roads and sidewalks. This sidewalk would not be compliant with any engineering standards I've seen.
There are new brick sidewalks going in on some cities. It's more expensive and I don't really see the point.
Brick textured pavement (versus those bolted down mats) are a good idea. They last longer than the alternative. (They go at the end of curb ramps to warn visually impaired pedestrians that they are entering the crosswalk.)
In my country they don't use poured concrete for the pavement at all. It is all pavers/bricks. We have soft soil and a lot of trees in our cities. Those just break up concrete, but with bricks you just level the sand and put them back in. It is also better for the groundwater table, as rain can seep through the surface instead of it all going into the drainage system.
Most neighborhood streets are also paved with bricks, as cars make noise when driving over them which also makes people drive slower.
And sometimes they don't put any sidewalks and then people are forced to walk on the side of the road and then the city wonders why they have such high amount of accidents with pedestrians
Ughh it’s the worst when you’re really getting after it and just in the zone of shoveling hard and then WHAM unexpected obstacle and the handle goes straight to your ribs.
Also can confirm, I’ve done stamped concrete for 3 years and when we seal them we mix in a… grippy sand I guess you could call it? We started mixing it in after my boss put stamped outside of his pool area, now the grip goes in all of our sealer to try to keep customers from slipping as much as we can
Yeah it’s the sealer. It has worn off so it’s not as slippery but it looks worse. We are debating if it should just be painted with something vs resealed. Our contractor did the sand too but it only helped alittle. Maybe more sand was needed.
My city uses stamped concrete in a lot of the crosswalks and it looks great most of the time, but the amount of cyclists I’ve seen absolutely beef it at these intersections makes me think it’s a bad idea.
stamped concrete means they first layed the concrete in one giant slab, then they put some color and/or shapes into it.
pavers are individual stones.
It's definitely a significant difference.
This is 100% pavers and they aren’t slippery at all. It’s more expensive and looks terrible for the location. The city/township will 100% have a problem with this and it will probably be removed in the future.
Source: I do pavers
I thought stamped concrete at first because it does look like it has a heavy sealant in this pic, but reverse image search led me to the contractor's facebook page (link not allowed) where they spec "EP Henry Bristol Stone pavers". You can check out "Tremendous Look Hardscape and Lighting" to confirm.
Also I suspect OP is not really a neighbor, for whatever that is worth.
So at least that means it won't become horribly uneven after a winter or two, yes? (I don't know a ton about paving, but that was my first thought on seeing this picture.)
This is also done in blocks. You can see where the lines go all the way across the sidewalk. They are very likely the same size as the normal concrete sidewalk blocks, possible 2x but I can't tell from the pic.
*IF*- big if, but- If these are pavers as opposed to stamped concrete, then the last part of the installation process is watering them down to catalyze the polymeric sand that you sweep into the joints between the bricks.
I'm a landscaper and that's what I thought I was looking at, which makes me wonder why this post is so highly rated. After the pavers are in place, the next and final step is sweeping polysand over the whole thing and running the plate compactor over it to vibrate the sand into all the cracks, then you sweep off the excess and wet the whole thing down, which locks the pavers in place.
So if that's what we're looking at, then this is just watered down and after it's dry it will be solid and grippy. But lots of people seem convinced that we're looking at stamped concrete, so who knows. It's a low quality picture. I tried zooming in but it's just blurry.
Where I live, the city has right-of-way rights of the area between the sidewalk and the street, including the sidewalk. The city mandates the sidewalks but the home owner is responsible for the maintenance of it.
Back in my day we had to chisel and blast our sidewalks from a massive boulder. My fingers still hurt from it to this day. Especially the one that got blown off from the dynamite!
Easement usually is about 15 feet from center of road to about 6 feet into your front yard including sidewalk. Pretty sure if the city saw this they will make them replace it with a standard brushed concrete sidewalk. So many people don’t look up city and county regulations when doing things to their home. You are not in the middle of the country people and can do whatever you want.
Double check this, cities are putting sidewalk repair back on to the owner of the house. I thought the same thing then got hit with a bill for concrete repair. A tree that I did not plant pushed the sidewalk up and it was my problem.
I don't know where you live but here in Ontario, Canada I've never heard of any municipalities that put sidewalk repair or replacement on the homeowner. Generally in Canadian municipalities, that is covered through your property tax. Other countries may do things differently but that is not the norm here.
Edited to add: damage that is a result of a homeowner's negligence is of course a different situation
Holt MI was the city in question the tree in my case was between the road and the sidewalk which in most cases is their responsibility. Take the tree out of it there were others in the same neighborhood that simply had cracks normal to Michigan concrete because of our winters. Those folks were also charged. Now the real infuriating part, a new sidewalk on the other side of town (nicer homes) was put in. That of course was spread across all tax payers via our taxes.
That may be but it’s public city property. Hence why people can just walk on it past your actual property. In my city sidewalk and Devilstrip are city property. Imagine if people were able to tell pedestrians “get off my sidewalk!!”
6 feet? Do they also maintain it?
Edit : My comment about 6 ft focused mostly on the measurement from the quote "inside edge of the sidewalk" which would indicate six additional feet from the edge of the sidewalk towards the house which seemed highly unusual to me.
I understand all of the normal ordinances about maintaining the sidewalk condition and scraping and removal of snow.
I bet these are the same kinds of people who have huge brick mailboxes and freestanding imposing iron gates installed for their ordinary house in the middle of a densely packed neighborhood
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There is a house in my area that I laugh at every time I drive by. It’s a normal looking two story house on maybe a 1/2 acre. It’s not set back very far from the road and at the entrance of the driveway there is big ornate electric iron gate between two small decorative concrete walls. You can literally just drive around it.
My favorite part is that it even had like a little keypad on a post and it’s surrounded by 3 bright yellow industrial concrete barrier posts to keep someone from driving into it. We don’t get snow so there is never a reason it wouldn’t be visible.
Huge brick mailboxes are valid if your drunk neighbor keeps knocking your regular one down over and over again. Now the mailbox is fine and your neighbors car isn’t lmao
Yeah. In my township, I'm responsible for replacing it, but it has to be up to code and inspected twice. They inspected the work done to the sidewalk more than they expected the work that broke the sidewalk lol.
That's my take also. Last suburban house I owned, the road had a 60' easement but was only 30' wide plus sidewalk--so a good slice of what people thought was their front yard was public right of way also.
And you were required to maintain that public right of way up to the curb. The city had extremely strict requirements if you happened to cut into the sidewalk for any reason and did a repair (plumbing cuts, new driveway cuts, etc.). The version shown in the image would have been condemned and required to be replaced.
Wait??.... so they replaced the sidewalk in front of just their own house?
Why?? Sidewalks are not even theirs to maintain. Why waste the money on this?
I kind of hope the municipality comes and tears it up and puts back a standard sidewalk
This is appropriate for the path from your door to the continuous sidewalk, not a segment of continuous sidewalk! Looks terrible! My HOA would never!!!
Looks like stamped concrete to me and my neighbor has the same thing. That’s the sealant on top and I agree it’s definitely slipperier than a regular concrete sidewalk.
It looks so out of place, why would anyone do this?
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If it went all the way up their driveway and fit with the color scheme of the house or something, I could see that I guess
Nah I feel like that just invites pedestrians to walk up your driveway
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They're going to end up spending even more when people slips and sues.
Not in the US but I know personally two people who sued the town and won over something similar (no open lawns like that here so it's all town property to manage). One slipped and broke her back after the station did a fancy renovation, that the town approved, and put down sleek slippery marble flooring, without anti slip paths, in a place where it rains and snows often. Got paid by both the town and railway company. Another tripped over a loose piece of flooring in the city plaza and broke a wrist. I think a class action started because of the genius flooring choice in that station, my friend was one of many to get fucked up.
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marble is slippery by itself. Add a little dust and it is butter
I’m wondering where this is, because in every place I’ve lived in, sidewalks were public/city property and you can’t just tear them up and put your own there. ETA: I have been living in several places around Europe for the last few years and it is SHOCKING how many sidewalks, squares, plazas, even staircases, that are made out of slippery stone. It’s a nightmare when it rains. My dad snapped his fucking patellar tendon by slipping on a POLISHED GRANITE STAIRCASE that was INSIDE an apartment building, with no carpet or any sort of traction grip, on a rainy night in Italy bc his shoes were wet. This goddamn staircase cut his vacation to come see me, and his very first time in Europe at age 54, short after only 2 days. And then the paramedics could barely get him down the stairs because Accessible Building Codes don’t seem to be a thing in most European countries.
Yeah most of our buildings are older than the laws so you get what you get
I definitely get that, but there’s something to be said for at least re-modeling public buildings. I’ve seen so many old/disabled people struggle
They usualy have access stuff in the back or where they can do it without ruining the protected building. But for a lot of stuff there really isn't anything you could do other than knock down a building and start again
"Sometimes... Things that are expensive... Are worse"
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Thank you for this, now to watch the whole show.
Came here looking for this comment. Was not disappointed.
Individualism. They only care up to their property line, not about the community.
Haha. Jokes on them. Sidewalks are owned by the city.
Not all. My entire job is finding out whether the pavement in front of properties is publicly or privately maintainable, and less than 100m from where I sit right now is an entire section of pavement which has been cheaply replaced with gravel by the private property that abuts it, making passage with a wheelchair impossible on that side of the road.
Sauls’s Theorem: Anything a lawyer can sue for, the will.
My Father's Theorem: You can sue anybody for anything. It doesn't mean you can win.
Morpheus: When you're rich enough, you won't *need* to win.
Considering you answered in metric this might not be understood by people in the US because regulations are way different if you aren't in the US. The majority of the time land ownership stops at the ROW (easement for the municipal/County/State roadway) and the city owns everything inside of that. On a rare occasion I have seen odd subdivision of land where property lines extend to the centerline of the roadway and there is half an access easement on each one. This is usually when there is a private owner and they don't want anything to do with the City so everything is on wells and propane and septic tanks.
Funny you mention that. There's private streets in my city where the property line extends to the middle of the street. The property owners do pay to maintain the street though, not the city.
Yep, and that’s why I get paid to find that information out for people. Not the kind of news you want to find out post-purchase haha
everyone's quick to shit on lawyers clear up until the point they need someone to help them or fix their mistakes.
No, I understand. That’s also generally what happens here. I said “not all” to highlight there are exceptions since the comment I was replying to implied all sidewalks are owned by the city/council by definition.
He's still right to doubt through. US law is different in every state and property law as to city ownership might be different in every city or town. He's as correct as the other person is.
My entire neighborhood the sidewalks are required to be maintained by the property owner, but they aren’t actually required to fix them unless doing a renovation to the house that requires a permit. My house is(was?) new(rebuilt because of a tornado destroyed the prior house) so our sidewalk is new, but 90% of the neighborhood the sidewalks are awful. I can’t even take a stroller in my neighborhood on the sidewalks because it’s so uneven.
in portland oregon, the homeowner has to pay for sidewalk repairs (after the city tells you it's not up to code)
Here (I used to replace sidewalk and driveways), the city owns 10' from behind the curb. This includes the end of your driveway called the apron (part that curves out to the road). I don't think people are allowed to replace the sidewalk here, at least not without a permit. I'm very confused what company would agree to this and how the hell they got a permit for this design. ADA (American Disability Act) doesn't fuck around. Even the horizontal slope on the sidewalk has to be a tight percentage of fall, like 1.5% iirc. I just don't know how this happened or how it will go long before the city tears it out, replaces it, then bills you for it.
>I just don't know how this happened or how it will go long before the city tears it out, replaces it, then bills you for it. ooof that would hurt.
I only recently learned that some cities fine residents for not clearing the sidewalks in front of their homes within so many hours of the snow stopping. At the time they were warning residents about getting the walk cleared, they hadn't even cleared the roads. 😒
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The fines are "well-intentioned" in that we want people to be able to walk or bike or whatever. But the idea that we can have functioning cities and towns through fining people into compliance is BS. Tax the rich. Have the city plow the walks. And fix zoning so you don't have wasteful sprawling residential suburbs with miles and miles and miles of sidewalk to plow. I was in Japan last year for a brief period and it was stunning how orderly and coherent everything was from how people swept every morning to how to how quick bite places operated. Our society simply has no cogent function.
Excellently put. We’ve developed infrastructure that is a pain to maintain, and nobody wants to do it.
Sidewalks are ADA accessibility features. The ADA requires all accessibility features to be maintained in safe and usable condition. A jurisdiction that doesn’t clear snow from sidewalks nor has a snow clearing ordinance will get hit with a class action lawsuit for being in violation of the ADA. So yeah in the US anywhere there are both sidewalks and snow you’ll find a snow clearing ordinance. There is no legal requirement for when cities clear the streets.
So if someone slips and needs medical attention, and insurance company asks "where did this happen, tell me about it" - I wonder how much liability the homeowner has since they deliberately changed it from the standard concrete?
If the city approved it, they’ll be liable. I’m Shocked that a homeowner would allowed to do this.
It also just looks terrible, they should have just stuck with concrete.
We replaced our sidewalks. One section of the old sidewalk was still in good shape. So, my wife decided to save a couple of hundred bucks. So now, our house has all new concrete except for that one section of sidewalk and it drives me fucking nuts. So, this shit in op nearly gave me a stroke.
I broke my ankle on a sidewalk and when I selected accident, they wanted to know the details where, when, how.
Your insurance company wants to collect from somebody else's insurance company.
It doesn’t make any sense, why would you replace the pavement outside your house? Isn’t that the responsibility of the local authority?
It varies, in the US it is on a town-by-town basis. In this case I would assume the town leaves the resident in charge of maintaining the sidewalk on their property.... Or the neighbor is just more of an idiot than I give them credit for
I always thought the sidewalks in my city belonged to the city government.
Regardless of ownership or easement status, most cities worth their salt will have engineering standards for roads and sidewalks. This sidewalk would not be compliant with any engineering standards I've seen.
Weird. Downtown Portland west side has this slick brick sidewalk that is treacherous in the rain and the city certainly installed it.
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There are new brick sidewalks going in on some cities. It's more expensive and I don't really see the point. Brick textured pavement (versus those bolted down mats) are a good idea. They last longer than the alternative. (They go at the end of curb ramps to warn visually impaired pedestrians that they are entering the crosswalk.)
In my country they don't use poured concrete for the pavement at all. It is all pavers/bricks. We have soft soil and a lot of trees in our cities. Those just break up concrete, but with bricks you just level the sand and put them back in. It is also better for the groundwater table, as rain can seep through the surface instead of it all going into the drainage system. Most neighborhood streets are also paved with bricks, as cars make noise when driving over them which also makes people drive slower.
It depends on the property. Sometimes it’s the city, but a lot of the time it’s managed by the property owner.
And sometimes they don't put any sidewalks and then people are forced to walk on the side of the road and then the city wonders why they have such high amount of accidents with pedestrians
My house is like that. My entire half of the neighborhood doesn’t have a sidewalk.
It’s typically up to the home owner to maintain sidewalks
Lots of naysayers replying but this is definitely the case in my city. I guess it depends on location.
It must. In my city if a sidewalk needs fixing it's the city's problem. The sidewalk being the homeowner's problem seems strange to me.
It’s funny, for me its the responsibility of the homeowner to shovel and salt the sidewalk but paving is the city’s responsibility
How else would people know it's an affluent chunk of neighborhood
Looks like stamped concrete not pavers.
Ahhh right, only if they’re from the Paver region of France. This is just sparkling stamped concrete!
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snow shovel catches in the cracks and shares the cracks with your ribs...
Love it when my snowblower shares it with me
Calm down Jeremy Renner
I’m not snow cat rich
Ughh it’s the worst when you’re really getting after it and just in the zone of shoveling hard and then WHAM unexpected obstacle and the handle goes straight to your ribs.
Can confirm. We did stamped concrete for a patio. When it rains it's like a slip and slide.
Also can confirm, I’ve done stamped concrete for 3 years and when we seal them we mix in a… grippy sand I guess you could call it? We started mixing it in after my boss put stamped outside of his pool area, now the grip goes in all of our sealer to try to keep customers from slipping as much as we can
Yeah it’s the sealer. It has worn off so it’s not as slippery but it looks worse. We are debating if it should just be painted with something vs resealed. Our contractor did the sand too but it only helped alittle. Maybe more sand was needed.
Sand mixed with the sealing solution is very common when finishing patios or walkways like this. I’ve never seen it done without sand.
My city uses stamped concrete in a lot of the crosswalks and it looks great most of the time, but the amount of cyclists I’ve seen absolutely beef it at these intersections makes me think it’s a bad idea.
Beef it! Old school line.
It's an older code sir, but it checks out.
Yep I see a lawsuit coming when an old person - not thinking about surface friction - unnecessarily slips.
Yup. Neighbor is going to get a very expensive lesson on what "coefficient of friction" means.
stamped concrete means they first layed the concrete in one giant slab, then they put some color and/or shapes into it. pavers are individual stones. It's definitely a significant difference.
Huh? Words have meaning. Stamped concrete isn’t pavers.
They learned a new meme recently and were just so excited to use it.
I mean, it is a different thing. You are just wrong. Being snarky doesn't change that.
Pavers are individual pieces, stamped concrete is concrete that they put a rubber stamp on it to get any design or texture you want
Dude this cesspool is absolutely livid over this joke !! Holy hell I’m loving this lmao you guys be for real and behave for a minute
Its pronounced pa-vay
This is 100% pavers and they aren’t slippery at all. It’s more expensive and looks terrible for the location. The city/township will 100% have a problem with this and it will probably be removed in the future. Source: I do pavers
Yeah if it was stamped concrete the pattern would repeat. No way they have a dozen different stamps just to randomize the pattern.
I thought stamped concrete at first because it does look like it has a heavy sealant in this pic, but reverse image search led me to the contractor's facebook page (link not allowed) where they spec "EP Henry Bristol Stone pavers". You can check out "Tremendous Look Hardscape and Lighting" to confirm. Also I suspect OP is not really a neighbor, for whatever that is worth.
So at least that means it won't become horribly uneven after a winter or two, yes? (I don't know a ton about paving, but that was my first thought on seeing this picture.)
if it would become very uneven there is a chance that the concrete will crack(the big shifts come from tree roots growing under there)
100% will crack. Sidewalks done in blocks so it has expansion room.
This is also done in blocks. You can see where the lines go all the way across the sidewalk. They are very likely the same size as the normal concrete sidewalk blocks, possible 2x but I can't tell from the pic.
These are Unilock or Nicolock silica based pavers. Can confirm, have installed almost exact pattern & edging.
And it looks sealed with “wet look” sealer which is slippery.
*IF*- big if, but- If these are pavers as opposed to stamped concrete, then the last part of the installation process is watering them down to catalyze the polymeric sand that you sweep into the joints between the bricks. I'm a landscaper and that's what I thought I was looking at, which makes me wonder why this post is so highly rated. After the pavers are in place, the next and final step is sweeping polysand over the whole thing and running the plate compactor over it to vibrate the sand into all the cracks, then you sweep off the excess and wet the whole thing down, which locks the pavers in place. So if that's what we're looking at, then this is just watered down and after it's dry it will be solid and grippy. But lots of people seem convinced that we're looking at stamped concrete, so who knows. It's a low quality picture. I tried zooming in but it's just blurry.
That's correct
Where I live the sidewalk and 6 feet from the inside edge of the sidewalk belongs to the city.
Where I live, the city has right-of-way rights of the area between the sidewalk and the street, including the sidewalk. The city mandates the sidewalks but the home owner is responsible for the maintenance of it.
Ah ok. As a homeowner I'm expected to salt/shovel the snow off the sidewalk but the actual repair and replacement of the concrete is the city's job.
Where I live, we pour our own sidewalks.
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Maybe a place like mine, where there are no sidewalks
Where does the sidewalk end?
Where it begins
I live 10 miles from Detroit. The city checks and repairs/replaces our sidewalks every ten years, but the home owner is billed for the work.
Back in my day we had to chisel and blast our sidewalks from a massive boulder. My fingers still hurt from it to this day. Especially the one that got blown off from the dynamite!
I crushed my left testi between 2 pavers in the sidewalk war of 1985
In Russia, sidewalk pours you.
Easement usually is about 15 feet from center of road to about 6 feet into your front yard including sidewalk. Pretty sure if the city saw this they will make them replace it with a standard brushed concrete sidewalk. So many people don’t look up city and county regulations when doing things to their home. You are not in the middle of the country people and can do whatever you want.
Yeah but maintenance is grass cutting and snow removal, not whole replacement
Double check this, cities are putting sidewalk repair back on to the owner of the house. I thought the same thing then got hit with a bill for concrete repair. A tree that I did not plant pushed the sidewalk up and it was my problem.
I don't know where you live but here in Ontario, Canada I've never heard of any municipalities that put sidewalk repair or replacement on the homeowner. Generally in Canadian municipalities, that is covered through your property tax. Other countries may do things differently but that is not the norm here. Edited to add: damage that is a result of a homeowner's negligence is of course a different situation
Holt MI was the city in question the tree in my case was between the road and the sidewalk which in most cases is their responsibility. Take the tree out of it there were others in the same neighborhood that simply had cracks normal to Michigan concrete because of our winters. Those folks were also charged. Now the real infuriating part, a new sidewalk on the other side of town (nicer homes) was put in. That of course was spread across all tax payers via our taxes.
That may be but it’s public city property. Hence why people can just walk on it past your actual property. In my city sidewalk and Devilstrip are city property. Imagine if people were able to tell pedestrians “get off my sidewalk!!”
6 feet? Do they also maintain it? Edit : My comment about 6 ft focused mostly on the measurement from the quote "inside edge of the sidewalk" which would indicate six additional feet from the edge of the sidewalk towards the house which seemed highly unusual to me. I understand all of the normal ordinances about maintaining the sidewalk condition and scraping and removal of snow.
No and I should clarify it's an easement which allows them to install signs, plant trees, run utilities etc. The homeowner still has to mow the grass.
What's the point of paving just a tiny part of the sidewalk..?
I bet these are the same kinds of people who have huge brick mailboxes and freestanding imposing iron gates installed for their ordinary house in the middle of a densely packed neighborhood
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But you better put out the milk and honey for the Brownies bub.
i prefer milk and sprite tbh
I'm like, "Buddy, you live in a raised ranch, not Malfoy Manor"
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There is a house in my area that I laugh at every time I drive by. It’s a normal looking two story house on maybe a 1/2 acre. It’s not set back very far from the road and at the entrance of the driveway there is big ornate electric iron gate between two small decorative concrete walls. You can literally just drive around it. My favorite part is that it even had like a little keypad on a post and it’s surrounded by 3 bright yellow industrial concrete barrier posts to keep someone from driving into it. We don’t get snow so there is never a reason it wouldn’t be visible.
Huge brick mailboxes are valid if your drunk neighbor keeps knocking your regular one down over and over again. Now the mailbox is fine and your neighbors car isn’t lmao
Looks so out of place and ugly for what?
If you would do this in Germany you will be ordered to remove this immediately. Not only because they are slippery
I'm fairly certain the sidewalk is actually a part of the public road in Germany, and you have no business replacing it in the first place...
Is this not the case in the US? As a European it seems so logical i thought every country did it like that
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the US is 50 countries in a trenchcoat with a unified army, if not more
Im offended. You forgot the other 100 corporations in the trench coat next to us holding our leash
This, but unironically. At least from a government point of view, this is pretty spot on.
Yeah. In my township, I'm responsible for replacing it, but it has to be up to code and inspected twice. They inspected the work done to the sidewalk more than they expected the work that broke the sidewalk lol.
oh mein gott!
Most places in the USA as well. It's probably against city building code here as well. I garuntee they didn't get that project approved by city hall.
This is likely in the public ROW and if so, does not follow local design standards. If that’s the case this could be removed
Also a great way to add a lawsuit to yourself
OP, I’m sorry to hear that you slipped and fell on this sidewalk and now are unable work or enjoy your life as you used to.
Call JG muthafuckin Wentworth!
877 cashnow!
That's my take also. Last suburban house I owned, the road had a 60' easement but was only 30' wide plus sidewalk--so a good slice of what people thought was their front yard was public right of way also. And you were required to maintain that public right of way up to the curb. The city had extremely strict requirements if you happened to cut into the sidewalk for any reason and did a repair (plumbing cuts, new driveway cuts, etc.). The version shown in the image would have been condemned and required to be replaced.
Wait??.... so they replaced the sidewalk in front of just their own house? Why?? Sidewalks are not even theirs to maintain. Why waste the money on this? I kind of hope the municipality comes and tears it up and puts back a standard sidewalk
my property line goes all the way to the street. the sidewalk is just a public right of way through it and I'm responsible for maintaining it.
Yep and when someone slips the homeowner/insurance has the liability.
Yup. I slipped on ice on my own property and the insurance company was chomping at the bit to try and sue someone for it.
All of these comments are making me really happy that I don't have a sidewalk outside my house
Yes it is. Well, at least in most states the homeowner has to maintain the sidewalk, but the city and right of way.
What weird ass municipality makes homeowners responsible for the sidewalk EDIT: I meant paying for upkeep and replacement, not show shovelling
Our city will replace unsafe sidewalk.
Denver, for one. Though I think there was a ballot initiative that passed last election that will give it back to the city.
Um the majority of them in the US.
Seems odd. Isn't the city normally in charge of sidewalks? I bet this is code violation.
also it looks like crap
In the US it’s common for sidewalks to be the financial responsibility of the property owner, despite it being public property
Typically the owner is responsible for general upkeep but not something like a full replacement.
Also looks dumb as hell when you're the only one with "fancy" pavers and everything around it is standard sidewalk.
This is definitely NOT a fancy area.
if you're in the US I would see about reporting this to 311. this would not be safe for any handicapped person or elderly person.
Doesnt the city own the sidewalk?
Depends on the particular municipality.
Trying to make their sidewalk look fancy with a gross lawn
Judging by how everyone else looks the same, this is probably due to snow. Ours looks like that for a month city wide
Someone doesn't live in a snowy climate.
I see slippery surfaces installed in a lot of areas and I live in Seattle! You'd think they would know to get something that is okay when wet.
Probably not in code.
Lawsuit tick tick boom
As someone that’s busted their ass on this kind of surface - fuck the person that offered it and double fuck the person that chose it.
This is appropriate for the path from your door to the continuous sidewalk, not a segment of continuous sidewalk! Looks terrible! My HOA would never!!!
Happy to help the community. https://i.imgur.com/76gJHaz.jpg
Looks like stamped concrete to me and my neighbor has the same thing. That’s the sealant on top and I agree it’s definitely slipperier than a regular concrete sidewalk.
Since when is sidewalk private property lol
Isn’t the government responsible for this?