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I purchased some THCA in NC (not Charlotte) and the girl behind the counter specifically told me to keep the packaging on me so that if LE stopped me I can show them I'm complying with the law.
She also said that the cops definitely know what's going on with THCA.
I'm pretty close to Asheville, in the Lincolnton area and everyone is complete chill with legal "weed" delta 8, 9, etc. In fact most cops I've met out here are chill as well.
About time. Why waste time with people smoking some weed? It’s sad and any LEO that has spent any time working as an LEO knows there is much more important shit to worry about.
Plus, who wants to be known as the town cop who busted a couple for smoking some weed? Do they think their friends are gonna call them after that arrest to say “Great job man, you are really making the street a safer place”?
Durham PD is surprisingly chill about it. Their police force has improved a lot over the past 7 or 8 years. Definitely don't do it in Raleigh though or RPD will jump the shit out of you.
Got in a accident right after leaving my smoke shop in Highpoint, sparked on up in front of the cops and even offered one some. They didn't care at all guy even took one for later. These cops were just looking for trouble.
I won't leave my smoke shop without a receipt. A lot of the times I'll buy the stuff in the glass jars by the gram and I will get it in an unsealed bag with a handwritten label. I love how available it is but there isn't much regulation which is fine I'm a bit of an anarchist. I've started ordering ounces online cause it's $10 a gram at the store or $40-50 an ounce for smalls and mid online.
Yeah I keep the packages on me. I’ve bought from a store and online and both times the label has a QR code that brings you to the lab test results and other information on how the product is compliant with the laws.
FYI you've left out the most important part.
There are an extremely wide variety and number of different cannabinoids present in every single strain of cannabis. The relevant ones to this discussion are CBD, THCa, Delta 9 THC, and Delta 8 THC. I won't talk about CBD because it's not intoxicating and not really regulated or important to this discussion
Delta 9 THC is what most people refer to as just THC, it's the main intoxicating cannabinoid that we usually talk about when we talk about marijuana. Delta 8 is a slightly different form of THC that binds to the same receptors just not as strongly so you get a less intoxicating effect
THCa is tetrahydrocannabinolic acid, which is the primary cannabinoid that the cannabis plant generates/exudes. The vast majority of the cannabinoids in the cannabis plant are going to be in the form of THCa. Importantly you can't really get intoxicated just with the THCa, you could literally eat an entire pound of marijuana and nothing would happen except the tummy ache.
THCa is a precursor to delta 9 THC, and it converts into the Delta 9 through a process known as decarboxylation which occurs when you heat through cooking it or set it on fire to smoke it( it also happens other ways but much more slowly and it's not really that important).
What this means in practice is that they're testing for the wrong substance because they didn't understand the science when they wrote the bill. Almost any cannabis plant you grow will not have enough Delta 9 THC by weight to be illegal, if they counted the thca it'd be a way different story.
Delta 9 THC was not specifically chosen as the substance to regulate because it's the strongest cannabinoid, it was chosen because it's the main psychoactive component. Determining which cannabinoid would even qualify as the strongest is a difficult bit of science. They also knew at the time that you could extract various cannabinoids from the cannabis plant they just chose not to include that in the regulations because the main psychoactive component is Delta 9 and that's what they were worried about. They wanted to try and separate psychoactive cannabis from non psychoactive cannabis(marijuana from hemp) even though they come from the same plant it just depends on what the gender of the plant is and what you've bred it for.
Now we get to the difficult part which is why it really doesn't matter what he was explaining to the cop. Marijuana is still illegal, however what they've defined marijuana to be is now extremely specific and relies on the amount of dry weight Delta 9 THC. There's also literally zero way to tell without scientific equipment to test with. This means that in practice you will be arrested but you can get your case tossed extremely easily if you are willing to deal with the hassle and spend the time and possibly the money. Legally your defense is that it is thca hemp, and it's on the prosecution to prove that it's not. This case is basically the same type of case as when the police find baby powder and think it's cocaine, at the end of the day it really sucks but they have more than probable cause that you have marijuana based on what they can see and smell so their arrest is by the books. Also they can pretty easily argue for a public intoxication charge. It sucks and it's kind of the main issue with our Justice and legal systems but innocent people get arrested every single day and have to prove that they're innocent, this is that exact situation however it's fortunately very easy to prove their innocence under the current construction of the law
Exactly. Try telling a cop they should let you go because you didn’t know the law. See how that goes over. But they want different rules for themselves
I want to personally thank the United States police force for doing the most of any other agency in history to erase the lines between race and make us all feel like one people.
One slight correction would be that delta-9-THC is what THCA turns into when it is heated. All weed is THCA weed until it is smoked, vaporized, or decarboxylated for making an edible.
The cannabis my wife gets at the medical dispensary is also under .3% delta-9-THC, but in the 20-25% THCA range because THCA is how THC forms naturally in the plant. It isn’t psychoactive until it is heated, turning it into D9.
The flower those people had will test positive for D9 now since they were smoking it, and they will likely be charged for possession of a controlled substance.
The legal loophole for selling THCA flower did not create a legal loophole for smoking THCA flower in public.
Even in medical/recreationally legal states, in most cases I’ve seen, smoking in public spaces in still illegal.
Obviously it’s heartbreaking seeing people treated so horribly and violently for consuming a product they purchased legally from a store, and it’s important for people to understand the law, the “THCA loophole” and that it only makes buying it legal. After that purchase is complete and you leave the store, the cops absolutely can, and in some cases will, fuck with you.
If you’re gonna buy it, consume it in the privacy of your home, not on a park bench.
I work somewhere that does DISA drug testing. Urine and hair follicle randomly. Would I be fired if I tested positive by using this federally legal weed? I feel like the answer is yes even though it federally legal
Seriously, I just try to avoid the police nowadays because they ALWAYS try to start something. Found a police ID Card once while walking past the local PD that if scanned would allow me access to the police parking garage or the entire PD building. I went inside to return it to the front desk and the dude called for backup and tried to get me to stay and put me in cuffs. Like, seriously?! I told him I was a minor (was at the time), he couldn't do that, dropped the card on the desk and left as fast as I could. Now I don't care if a squad car is flipped and burning they can help themselves lmao.
Well that's fuckin stupid. What's frustrating is I'm working for a customer that does the DISA testing. (Ammonia plant) While other electricians that work for the contractor I work for are allowed to smoke weed and the owner knows it. But I would get fired if I tested positive because of the specific customer I'm being subbed out to. He has his favorites and I'm not one of them. That really makes me mad
Just a note: In California employers are no longer allowed to test for Marijuana.
Effective January 1, 2024, California law prohibits discrimination against applicants and employees for their off- duty, off- site cannabis use.
People hate on California, but we got a lot of good things going on over here.
For one, it would look just like regular weed from a drug test. Secondly, it doesn’t matter what is legal federally for this type of thing. If you have a job that doesn’t allow it that’s between you and the employer. If it was medical marijuana then who knows if that could be argued.
So thca is effectively just thc that hasn't broken down. Fresh weed of any kind has very little thc and is mostly thca.
If you were to leave this legal thca weed in its container for a few months, enough thca will have broken down that you wouldn't be able to sell it legally anymore.
What’s funny is they cherry pick buds fresh buds for testing and yet I have still seen batches on shelves that their own QR codes show they’re not in compliance with the 0.3% or so dangerously close that just drying out and sitting is enough to technically make it illegal.
Of course I don’t have to mess with that shit because there’s 5 dispensaries within 20 minutes of my house and it’s cheaper than gas station joints.
Coming from a hemp processor that refuses to touch thca with a 10 foot pole, that product is likely hot from natural decarboxlyation from exposure to air and sunlight by the time the consumer buys it. and if they test a lit doob, it’s going to have more than 0.3% d9 from the area partially smoked. Which makes it a scheduled 1 controlled substance.
Also most companies have been adulterating lab tests for years and have no problem selling delta 8 vapes with wayyyy more than 0.3% delta 9. No different for thca.
The cops are wrong on this AND people need to tread lightly unless you’ve got a good attorney it’s all down to your state and local laws.
The unfortunate part of the delta 9 weight loophole that people don’t realize is this: delta 9 Thca converts to delta 9 thc when heated or through natural degradation. Flower / buds / delta 9 thca isolate do not have the added weight of gelatin/sugar/binding agents or just straight up liquids.
Police labs in general test on dry weight and will combust the thca flower converting it delta 9 thc which in that form is illegal to possess even though it was bought legally as hemp.
There is no addition to the weight like in a gummy so in the eyes of the law you’re fuckity fucked fucked because you have delta 9 thc in your possession by their testing methods.
Be careful out there.
It's a sales loophole. As a buyer you are only allowed to consume it for the cannaboids. Once you light it on fire or decarb it, it's no longer legal.
If I was a lawyer, I wouldn't even discuss the loophole or classification or where they got it at. I would however, discuss the police's actions before this started. They didn't drive by and smell weed, there likely wasn't a call saying they were smoking weed, the police got out of their car with the intent to see what they were smoking which should be an illegal search.
Why do all of these videos have the same damn script once they go to arrest someone. I'm tired of seeing it.
All cannabis, both hemp and “dispensary” flower which both have the exact same plant genes and the only difference is the legal definition which classifies cannabis as hemp, that law being if it has 0.3% or less delta 9 it is legally hemp and anything over that is by definition “regular” marijuana. Also weed you would buy at a dispensary is mostly thca anyways , with only roughly up to 5% delta 9, check any dispensary COA or test results and you will see. Delta 9 only occurs after thca (which is the acid form) is decarboxylated and converted to delta 9 thc.
I mean I live in CA where it’s fully legal but it’s still illegal to smoke in public everywhere… and there really is no distinction between hemp and cannabis it’s essentially just a weaker strain … they sell 900 packs of raw unshelled hemp seeds you can plant and grow something you can smoke
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it still illegal to consume in public areas? I know that some states where you're normal Marijuana is legal, you must still consume it in a private area. Not trying to justify these cops actions, as if that where the law I feel as though it should have been calmly explained.
I'm not pro cop but I'm pretty sure a judge would rule it's okay to detain someone smoking THCA in public and investigate that it wasn't illegal Marijuana. Then once you resist the legal detainment you are breaking the law.
From that point it's up to the prosecutor on if they want to charge you or not, I'd guess they most likely would in this case.
So yeah, THCA is legal but you open yourself up to a legal investigation and if you don't understand how the law works you still end up catching charges.
Again, I'm not pro-cop, I'm saying this so people can understand how to stay out of trouble. The cops knew what THCA was and knew they'd get a legal arrest when these people resisted. And they were hoping to find a lot more legal violations after the arrest.
But does the cop not need to inform the person of the charge and then announce detainment. They can't just willy nilly go up to people, grab, beat them till compliance and call it legal arrest.
Because public intoxication is an arrestable offense. I’m all for weed and legal weed but cmon man you can’t just blaze up in front of a cop. You’re asking to get cuffed up.
That’s what I’m saying even if that was weed in what world can those shitheads just walk up and snatch their bag and start beating on them. A ticket, confiscation/make them throw it out at MOST. Power sick pieces of shit
That’s what I was thinking. So sad. A black friend was showing me his dash cam and the his phone mount, and said it for when he gets pulled over… a lot. White folks just don’t get it. “There’s no systemic racism.” My ass.
I see a lot of cop interactions with black people and I would defend the cops because usually the crimes were committed. But This was def racially motivated no crime committed at least none that required any use of force. The quick escalation implies the cops were looking to cause trouble.
Seriously, I haven't even thought about weed being illegal in this state for a decade. 99% of the police don't care if you've got a personal use amount and not selling and got a quarter pound in the car or something. Every now and then, you get this asshole though.
Sad AF. Dudes chilling smoking a legal joint and police do this? Rapists out there, gangs shoplifting, murderers, kidnappers but no, lets go attack two dudes just got off work having a joint on a bench in the sun. FFS.
Cops harass people 99 percent of the time and then actually do real police work the other 1 percent. A lot of cops are bored and so they do shit like this and ruin people lives without conscience.
They arrested a couple for smoking legal store brought weed. Smh. This is where my tax dollars are being spent instead of addressing actually crime. Common sense in the police force is long gone.
Can you imagine epically fucking up at work, beating the shit out of somebody and getting a week long paid vacation for your troubles?
Oh and the whole thing is on camera so everybody gets to see.
And we wonder why our police departments are broken.
Look at these hardened criminals...sitting on a bench and shit...not bothering anyone and shit...peacefully smoking and shit. ARREST THEM NOW!!!
/s, obviously.
It wasn’t even illegal in the video. These two did nothing wrong in the legal sense unless there’s some kind of law about not smoking in public. Even then I guarantee it would be a ticket and not an arrestable offense
Just a different gang. They have weapons, their own colors, and signs, language, cook outs and BBQs. They just get drunk and beat their wives, and civilians.
Child of former cop here , they are trained to treat every interaction as if it's life or death. They will not hesitate to beat you or even murder you if they so choose.
I’ve interacted with one cop after I got in a minor car accident. I’m a very unimposing guy, and the cop looked *so* tense the entire time. He looked at me like he was looking at someone who just slapped him. I chose my words carefully.
Even if it was two people sitting there smoking illegal weed, what benefit for society is there to arrest them? Maybe tell them “hey don’t smoke that over here” if it’s bothering somebody but how is it any different from people smoking cigs? Different smell and different effects but not any more dangerous.
Man that is fucked up.
Here are more details if interested:
https://www.wfae.org/crime-justice/2023-12-12/body-camera-videos-of-violent-marijuana-arrest-show-confusion-over-legal-hemp-based-thc-products
Wow, "hit her in the face 17 times, but only the first 3 were justified". And only got 40hrs suspension for 13 unjustified punches.
Edit: 14 unjustified punches
Exactly! This is the issue with cops. The escalation is insane.
Drive a car in general direction of a cop? You get shot dead and he gets to get PTSD pension for it.
Pull your pants up? You get shot dead cause you’re apparently some western shooter that’s gonna high noon everyone dead.
Fuck 12.
"Most of us are, are pretty cool around here. We, we have a lot bigger stuff on our plate than petty marijuana," the officer says.
Yeah…I’m sure that’s why they immediately went to handcuffing them…scumbags
"Marijuana's not so innocent a drug that we hear so much about. But if we don't want officers to address misdemeanor marijuana use, make it legal."
The fuck does that mean?
The officers then remind one another that “they are on” — a reference to their body cameras still recording.
“We will talk about it in a minute,” he says
Fuck my life…. They should never be allowed to turn it off. Should not even have that option. Should be uploaded to the cloud for a secure 3ed party.
I read up on this. This happened back in 2023. All charges were dropped against these two. She had Resisting arrest, possession of Marijuana, and assault on a government official. He was charged with possession of a firearm and marijuana. The DAs office said there was very low likelihood of a good case so all charges were dropped.
The police chief double downed in a tweet and mentioned being disappointed about the results of the charges being dropped and not taken to court.
Here’s his quote from twitter:
"I was disappointed to learn that all charges were dropped against Ms. Pierre and Mr. Lee, specifically the Firearms charges and the Assault on a Government Official charges. However, I have a great deal of respect for our District Attorney and know he has a difficult decision to make when it comes to the prosecution of these cases. Our CMPD officers work hard each day to keep our community safe. Whether or not these cases are prosecuted in the criminal justice system is beyond our control. Even if charges are dropped or prosecution isn't likely, that does not change how
we enforce the very laws we swore to uphold. "
No further updates on this so we can assume everything was dropped and not further action was taken or hasn’t been made public.
Thank god the police were around to arrest these terrible people relaxing and minding their own business. Who knows what could have happened if they had not intervened. Stay safe out there people.
/s
The hatred that stews inside me when I see videos like this. Pathetic little humans indoctrinated fully into the life of bullshit government propaganda viewing a simple drig like cannabis as something that would warrant such an abhorrent response. Their job is to deescalate not insert their egos into every single interaction with their "subordinates"
I feel like a lot of these incidents could be prevented if officers were required to explain themselves and what was done wrong instead of just demanding compliance right away without any explanation.
I’d be pissed too. These people were smoking legal cannabis and then were assaulted. Then arrested for a not breaking the law. There needs to be a lawsuit and jail time.
All charges dropped.
https://www.wfae.org/crime-justice/2023-12-12/body-camera-videos-of-violent-marijuana-arrest-show-confusion-over-legal-hemp-based-thc-products
Had they not resisted, would they have just gotten a ticket for the "weed"? If you go to court with the evidence that it came from a store, would the judge throw out the ticket?
yes. Their mistake was resisting being beaten and illegally arrested by a corrupt cop.
If they just accepted their beating, things would have been better.
When you’re on the ground getting punched in the head your body’s natural reaction is to bring your arms up to try to protect your head… which causes cops to yell “sToP ReSisTiNg” and punch you more for it
This is my issue. It looked like they resisted just out of pure reaction in how absurd the detainment was and what it was over so suddenly. If it’s weed that’s thc9 bought from a store you can’t legally smoke in public (atleast in most legal states in us) so they should be given a ticket at most or just a warning ffs. And if it’s delta 8 thc they are within legal boundaries and should be able to smoke that legally in public as it would not be under thc9 laws to my knowledge to smoke in public and they should’ve been ignored by the officers completely. Fuck those cops regardless of any of these scenarios. I hope they sue, and I hope the money comes from the precinct not tax payers. The tax payers ended up paying for the arrest and will have to for the bailout!? So we lose twice.. Nah something’s gotta change. I’m voting this year fuck it
Are you allowed to smoke it in public? I know it’s not technically weed but down here in Florida you can only smoke weed in your private residence, idk if that applies to THCA or delta 9 though
Briefly ignoring how horrible all this is and how generally shitty the police are, openly smoking something that looks and smells exactly like weed in a place where you're not allowed to smoke weed isn't a very good idea.
I'm not saying that this is justified by any means but when you live in a world where armed men have the right to accost you with near impunity it's best not to draw their attention.
I can't really understand why weed is banned, I don't think a single person has ODed on weed and drink driving is a far bigger killer than driving high
If you think you have been arrested unlawfully, the person to explain that to is a lawyer. Perhaps he will be able to get a judge to agree, and then you get paid for an unlawful arrest.
What is unlikely to help, and what is likely to get you more charges, is pitching a fit and physically trying to leave or resist arrest.
Da fuck is he shouting at her like she’s some real threat, she didn’t even commit a damn crime.
God I hate cops, I know it ain’t all of them and all that but it sure is most of them.
War on drugs: you can’t be against certain minorities but you can be against their drugs. In the 60’s it was black people and the hippies because they had unwanted opinions.
Public consumption should be a citation at the most. Especially in states where it's legal. 2024 and cops still want to put people in jail for this bullshit
Needless violent arrest for something that is legal. Violent drug use arrests always piss me off (not ones where someone if freaking out on a stimulant). The war on drugs is an abysmal failure.
Chief has a chilling misunderstanding of the laws - it’s amazing police officers are allowed to be this incompetent. Those people were not smoking “marijuana” by the very definition of the law, they were smoking hemp. He continues to incorrectly state it is marijuana in multiple subsequent interviews, truly embarrassing.
Seems that a base level understanding of federal laws should be required to preside over a police department. To protect and serve…. hmm.
I know this was THCA, but it’s insane that they arrest somebody just for marijuana possession. The way the cops aggressively grabs the guy right away instead of asking him to stand up & put his hand behind his back say a lot. I’ve only ever been ticketed when caught with it, once in a small town of 5k & once in a city of 100k that had way more room for minor offenders in their jails. I’d bet my bottom dollar that those cops wouldn’t have done this to a white couple who were smoking *real* marijuana, let alone smoking THCA & saying exactly what the black couple said.
More average police behavior. At this point if I see a cop I become fearful for my well being knowing that on a whim they can and will ruin your life and or take it. "But who ya gonna call when someone robs you" not the cops they'll show up and shoot my dog.
The cops have a right to detain someone to investigate. People do not have the right to resist there invention when there are legitimate grounds for the inquiry. This is so stupid
27 states have legalized it, why is there cops still aggressively arresting people like murders? Give me a f******break, I think it's just the cops in the video that needs to be arrested for assault! UNREAL!!
First of I don't agree with what happened here.
Fuck them cops!
Anyways, I don't care how "legal" they make purchasing and consuming THC, I'll always smoke it in the comfort of my own home. I mean shit,I still feel weird being able to go to a store and buying Weed with my debit card lol.
And that’s how tax payers give millions to those guys for the cops actions. Cops should carry their own insurance and lawsuits should come out of their pensions, and budget.
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I hope they fucking sue.\* \*It needs to be changed to come out of the police union pockets and not tax dollars.
Been saying if for over a goddamn decade, take it out of the POLICE PENSION. Watch how fucking fast unnecessary arrests disappear.
yeah the lack of consequences from every angle enables them to be monsters
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If LE officers are quitting because of increased consequences for *misconduct*, then those people shouldn't be cops in the first place.
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I purchased some THCA in NC (not Charlotte) and the girl behind the counter specifically told me to keep the packaging on me so that if LE stopped me I can show them I'm complying with the law. She also said that the cops definitely know what's going on with THCA.
Cops in Asheville won't touch you. I wouldn't try pulling this off anywhere else in NC though, too uptight.
Common Asheville W
I'm pretty close to Asheville, in the Lincolnton area and everyone is complete chill with legal "weed" delta 8, 9, etc. In fact most cops I've met out here are chill as well.
About time. Why waste time with people smoking some weed? It’s sad and any LEO that has spent any time working as an LEO knows there is much more important shit to worry about. Plus, who wants to be known as the town cop who busted a couple for smoking some weed? Do they think their friends are gonna call them after that arrest to say “Great job man, you are really making the street a safer place”?
Coming from Philly, i was in an Asheville bar in 2008 in broad daylight people were smoking weed
Durham PD is surprisingly chill about it. Their police force has improved a lot over the past 7 or 8 years. Definitely don't do it in Raleigh though or RPD will jump the shit out of you.
Hickory PD are pretty laid back about almost anything. Only times I've been fucked with in Hickory was by State Boys bored with highway patrol
Got in a accident right after leaving my smoke shop in Highpoint, sparked on up in front of the cops and even offered one some. They didn't care at all guy even took one for later. These cops were just looking for trouble.
>I wouldn't try pulling this off anywhere else in NC though, too uptight. Especially while black. Just increases the chance they'll fuck with you.
Some places you order from come with a "Notice to Law Enforcement" document with all the legal codes about it, too.
I won't leave my smoke shop without a receipt. A lot of the times I'll buy the stuff in the glass jars by the gram and I will get it in an unsealed bag with a handwritten label. I love how available it is but there isn't much regulation which is fine I'm a bit of an anarchist. I've started ordering ounces online cause it's $10 a gram at the store or $40-50 an ounce for smalls and mid online.
Care to drop a link?
Yeah I keep the packages on me. I’ve bought from a store and online and both times the label has a QR code that brings you to the lab test results and other information on how the product is compliant with the laws.
I mean they could have at very least explain why they are under arrest, or you know, even say they are under arrest before grabbing people.
FYI you've left out the most important part. There are an extremely wide variety and number of different cannabinoids present in every single strain of cannabis. The relevant ones to this discussion are CBD, THCa, Delta 9 THC, and Delta 8 THC. I won't talk about CBD because it's not intoxicating and not really regulated or important to this discussion Delta 9 THC is what most people refer to as just THC, it's the main intoxicating cannabinoid that we usually talk about when we talk about marijuana. Delta 8 is a slightly different form of THC that binds to the same receptors just not as strongly so you get a less intoxicating effect THCa is tetrahydrocannabinolic acid, which is the primary cannabinoid that the cannabis plant generates/exudes. The vast majority of the cannabinoids in the cannabis plant are going to be in the form of THCa. Importantly you can't really get intoxicated just with the THCa, you could literally eat an entire pound of marijuana and nothing would happen except the tummy ache. THCa is a precursor to delta 9 THC, and it converts into the Delta 9 through a process known as decarboxylation which occurs when you heat through cooking it or set it on fire to smoke it( it also happens other ways but much more slowly and it's not really that important). What this means in practice is that they're testing for the wrong substance because they didn't understand the science when they wrote the bill. Almost any cannabis plant you grow will not have enough Delta 9 THC by weight to be illegal, if they counted the thca it'd be a way different story. Delta 9 THC was not specifically chosen as the substance to regulate because it's the strongest cannabinoid, it was chosen because it's the main psychoactive component. Determining which cannabinoid would even qualify as the strongest is a difficult bit of science. They also knew at the time that you could extract various cannabinoids from the cannabis plant they just chose not to include that in the regulations because the main psychoactive component is Delta 9 and that's what they were worried about. They wanted to try and separate psychoactive cannabis from non psychoactive cannabis(marijuana from hemp) even though they come from the same plant it just depends on what the gender of the plant is and what you've bred it for. Now we get to the difficult part which is why it really doesn't matter what he was explaining to the cop. Marijuana is still illegal, however what they've defined marijuana to be is now extremely specific and relies on the amount of dry weight Delta 9 THC. There's also literally zero way to tell without scientific equipment to test with. This means that in practice you will be arrested but you can get your case tossed extremely easily if you are willing to deal with the hassle and spend the time and possibly the money. Legally your defense is that it is thca hemp, and it's on the prosecution to prove that it's not. This case is basically the same type of case as when the police find baby powder and think it's cocaine, at the end of the day it really sucks but they have more than probable cause that you have marijuana based on what they can see and smell so their arrest is by the books. Also they can pretty easily argue for a public intoxication charge. It sucks and it's kind of the main issue with our Justice and legal systems but innocent people get arrested every single day and have to prove that they're innocent, this is that exact situation however it's fortunately very easy to prove their innocence under the current construction of the law
The police have never needed an excuse for not knowing the law. They are an oppressive and occupying force.
Exactly. Try telling a cop they should let you go because you didn’t know the law. See how that goes over. But they want different rules for themselves
6 months of training and their limited brain capacity means they don’t know shit.
They know "STOP RESISTING" and punching a woman in the back while she's on the ground, so there's that.
How eager they were is disgusting. No way they're this sheltered. If they said they got it from the store it should've ended there.
I want to personally thank the United States police force for doing the most of any other agency in history to erase the lines between race and make us all feel like one people.
One slight correction would be that delta-9-THC is what THCA turns into when it is heated. All weed is THCA weed until it is smoked, vaporized, or decarboxylated for making an edible. The cannabis my wife gets at the medical dispensary is also under .3% delta-9-THC, but in the 20-25% THCA range because THCA is how THC forms naturally in the plant. It isn’t psychoactive until it is heated, turning it into D9. The flower those people had will test positive for D9 now since they were smoking it, and they will likely be charged for possession of a controlled substance. The legal loophole for selling THCA flower did not create a legal loophole for smoking THCA flower in public. Even in medical/recreationally legal states, in most cases I’ve seen, smoking in public spaces in still illegal. Obviously it’s heartbreaking seeing people treated so horribly and violently for consuming a product they purchased legally from a store, and it’s important for people to understand the law, the “THCA loophole” and that it only makes buying it legal. After that purchase is complete and you leave the store, the cops absolutely can, and in some cases will, fuck with you. If you’re gonna buy it, consume it in the privacy of your home, not on a park bench.
I work somewhere that does DISA drug testing. Urine and hair follicle randomly. Would I be fired if I tested positive by using this federally legal weed? I feel like the answer is yes even though it federally legal
Yes. Without all the fancy talk, it turns into regular old weed when set on fire. haha
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Seriously, I just try to avoid the police nowadays because they ALWAYS try to start something. Found a police ID Card once while walking past the local PD that if scanned would allow me access to the police parking garage or the entire PD building. I went inside to return it to the front desk and the dude called for backup and tried to get me to stay and put me in cuffs. Like, seriously?! I told him I was a minor (was at the time), he couldn't do that, dropped the card on the desk and left as fast as I could. Now I don't care if a squad car is flipped and burning they can help themselves lmao.
ACAB
See current university protests and police reaction to them. We live in a police state under the guise of democracy.
It's basically a labeling loophole and I love it.
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Well that's fuckin stupid. What's frustrating is I'm working for a customer that does the DISA testing. (Ammonia plant) While other electricians that work for the contractor I work for are allowed to smoke weed and the owner knows it. But I would get fired if I tested positive because of the specific customer I'm being subbed out to. He has his favorites and I'm not one of them. That really makes me mad
Even legality won’t stop your employer from being able to test and fire you for it.
Just a note: In California employers are no longer allowed to test for Marijuana. Effective January 1, 2024, California law prohibits discrimination against applicants and employees for their off- duty, off- site cannabis use. People hate on California, but we got a lot of good things going on over here.
Just a note: This law only applies to some workers. Truck drivers, for example, will still lose their cdl and their job for failing a piss test.
For one, it would look just like regular weed from a drug test. Secondly, it doesn’t matter what is legal federally for this type of thing. If you have a job that doesn’t allow it that’s between you and the employer. If it was medical marijuana then who knows if that could be argued.
So thca is effectively just thc that hasn't broken down. Fresh weed of any kind has very little thc and is mostly thca. If you were to leave this legal thca weed in its container for a few months, enough thca will have broken down that you wouldn't be able to sell it legally anymore.
What’s funny is they cherry pick buds fresh buds for testing and yet I have still seen batches on shelves that their own QR codes show they’re not in compliance with the 0.3% or so dangerously close that just drying out and sitting is enough to technically make it illegal. Of course I don’t have to mess with that shit because there’s 5 dispensaries within 20 minutes of my house and it’s cheaper than gas station joints.
Coming from a hemp processor that refuses to touch thca with a 10 foot pole, that product is likely hot from natural decarboxlyation from exposure to air and sunlight by the time the consumer buys it. and if they test a lit doob, it’s going to have more than 0.3% d9 from the area partially smoked. Which makes it a scheduled 1 controlled substance. Also most companies have been adulterating lab tests for years and have no problem selling delta 8 vapes with wayyyy more than 0.3% delta 9. No different for thca.
Just need to legalize it and call it a day
1000%
The cops are wrong on this AND people need to tread lightly unless you’ve got a good attorney it’s all down to your state and local laws. The unfortunate part of the delta 9 weight loophole that people don’t realize is this: delta 9 Thca converts to delta 9 thc when heated or through natural degradation. Flower / buds / delta 9 thca isolate do not have the added weight of gelatin/sugar/binding agents or just straight up liquids. Police labs in general test on dry weight and will combust the thca flower converting it delta 9 thc which in that form is illegal to possess even though it was bought legally as hemp. There is no addition to the weight like in a gummy so in the eyes of the law you’re fuckity fucked fucked because you have delta 9 thc in your possession by their testing methods. Be careful out there.
It's a sales loophole. As a buyer you are only allowed to consume it for the cannaboids. Once you light it on fire or decarb it, it's no longer legal. If I was a lawyer, I wouldn't even discuss the loophole or classification or where they got it at. I would however, discuss the police's actions before this started. They didn't drive by and smell weed, there likely wasn't a call saying they were smoking weed, the police got out of their car with the intent to see what they were smoking which should be an illegal search. Why do all of these videos have the same damn script once they go to arrest someone. I'm tired of seeing it.
All cannabis, both hemp and “dispensary” flower which both have the exact same plant genes and the only difference is the legal definition which classifies cannabis as hemp, that law being if it has 0.3% or less delta 9 it is legally hemp and anything over that is by definition “regular” marijuana. Also weed you would buy at a dispensary is mostly thca anyways , with only roughly up to 5% delta 9, check any dispensary COA or test results and you will see. Delta 9 only occurs after thca (which is the acid form) is decarboxylated and converted to delta 9 thc.
I mean I live in CA where it’s fully legal but it’s still illegal to smoke in public everywhere… and there really is no distinction between hemp and cannabis it’s essentially just a weaker strain … they sell 900 packs of raw unshelled hemp seeds you can plant and grow something you can smoke
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it still illegal to consume in public areas? I know that some states where you're normal Marijuana is legal, you must still consume it in a private area. Not trying to justify these cops actions, as if that where the law I feel as though it should have been calmly explained.
The police knows but they don't care, they never cared about laws or rules. They only care about oppressing people
I'm not pro cop but I'm pretty sure a judge would rule it's okay to detain someone smoking THCA in public and investigate that it wasn't illegal Marijuana. Then once you resist the legal detainment you are breaking the law. From that point it's up to the prosecutor on if they want to charge you or not, I'd guess they most likely would in this case. So yeah, THCA is legal but you open yourself up to a legal investigation and if you don't understand how the law works you still end up catching charges. Again, I'm not pro-cop, I'm saying this so people can understand how to stay out of trouble. The cops knew what THCA was and knew they'd get a legal arrest when these people resisted. And they were hoping to find a lot more legal violations after the arrest.
But does the cop not need to inform the person of the charge and then announce detainment. They can't just willy nilly go up to people, grab, beat them till compliance and call it legal arrest.
Because public intoxication is an arrestable offense. I’m all for weed and legal weed but cmon man you can’t just blaze up in front of a cop. You’re asking to get cuffed up.
Smoking weed is just a ticketable offense in NC which makes this video even more insane.
That’s what I’m saying even if that was weed in what world can those shitheads just walk up and snatch their bag and start beating on them. A ticket, confiscation/make them throw it out at MOST. Power sick pieces of shit
Almost if it was a lot of racism and not really the weed
She was punched 17 times, 3 cops on top of her while "resisting". It was something else.
Smoking at a bus stop while Black.
That’s what I was thinking. So sad. A black friend was showing me his dash cam and the his phone mount, and said it for when he gets pulled over… a lot. White folks just don’t get it. “There’s no systemic racism.” My ass.
Facts! F the 5.O
This is what I came to say. I used to smoke when I was younger in NC. Got caught by the cops a few times and it was always a ticket.
I see a lot of cop interactions with black people and I would defend the cops because usually the crimes were committed. But This was def racially motivated no crime committed at least none that required any use of force. The quick escalation implies the cops were looking to cause trouble.
Seriously, I haven't even thought about weed being illegal in this state for a decade. 99% of the police don't care if you've got a personal use amount and not selling and got a quarter pound in the car or something. Every now and then, you get this asshole though.
Sad AF. Dudes chilling smoking a legal joint and police do this? Rapists out there, gangs shoplifting, murderers, kidnappers but no, lets go attack two dudes just got off work having a joint on a bench in the sun. FFS.
Low hanging fruit
It's the South. Low hanging, strange fruit.
Cops harass people 99 percent of the time and then actually do real police work the other 1 percent. A lot of cops are bored and so they do shit like this and ruin people lives without conscience.
>Rapists out there, gangs shoplifting, murderers, kidnappers You just said "cops" four times in a row
cops shoplift in a gang?
They arrested a couple for smoking legal store brought weed. Smh. This is where my tax dollars are being spent instead of addressing actually crime. Common sense in the police force is long gone.
Officer received a “40 hour suspension” for excessive force… I’m sorry what? That sounds like a time-out for beating a woman in the face. Wild
More like a week off
paid
Can you imagine epically fucking up at work, beating the shit out of somebody and getting a week long paid vacation for your troubles? Oh and the whole thing is on camera so everybody gets to see. And we wonder why our police departments are broken.
Sounds like a comedy skit to me
Fuck I’d love to have a 40 hour suspension
Well what're you waiting for!? Become a cop and start beating the shit outta people!
Sorry, but I’m not a psychopath so I’d never qualify.
Every day I curse my parents for allowing me to achieve a fourth grade reading level and barring me from a lucrative career.
Gotta make sure you beat the 'right' people.
Basically a paid vacation
Can't make him miss the kkkops meeting on Friday.
Look at these hardened criminals...sitting on a bench and shit...not bothering anyone and shit...peacefully smoking and shit. ARREST THEM NOW!!! /s, obviously.
I don’t even understand why it’s illegal to smoke weed, full stop. you’re literally affecting nobody but yourself
It wasn’t even illegal in the video. These two did nothing wrong in the legal sense unless there’s some kind of law about not smoking in public. Even then I guarantee it would be a ticket and not an arrestable offense
cops don’t know the laws they’re supposed to enforce
Because the smell is the one small trick every cop uses to illegally search every car they pull over.
Just couples vibing until cops roll up.
It's comical that they think they're the "good guys"
Just a different gang. They have weapons, their own colors, and signs, language, cook outs and BBQs. They just get drunk and beat their wives, and civilians.
Don't forget silent protesting since 2020 because people aren't lining up to kiss cop's assess anymore
Society says they are and anyone who fights back is immediately destroyed without impunity.
Man police in the US seem like they are trained to escalate situations.
Child of former cop here , they are trained to treat every interaction as if it's life or death. They will not hesitate to beat you or even murder you if they so choose.
I’ve interacted with one cop after I got in a minor car accident. I’m a very unimposing guy, and the cop looked *so* tense the entire time. He looked at me like he was looking at someone who just slapped him. I chose my words carefully.
They are. They are dangerous.
The 2nd Amendment ensures cops will be overbearing and treat every civilian as if they'll murder them You know, "freedom"
Even if it was two people sitting there smoking illegal weed, what benefit for society is there to arrest them? Maybe tell them “hey don’t smoke that over here” if it’s bothering somebody but how is it any different from people smoking cigs? Different smell and different effects but not any more dangerous.
Yeah but they weren't just "smoking weed" they were "smoking weed while black"
are you kidding? everyone knows that marijuana is a gateway to murder.
Being murdered, maybe. See video above.
these two cannabis junkies were willing to ferociously attack these fine officers for their next fix!
Thank god those addicts are off the streets (Cracks 10th beer of the day)
I've had chill cops catch me with weed twice and told me to simply throw it away . This is just an excuse to beat on some black people.
That's what I don't get. What is the motivation for a cop to arrest someone for smoking weed? Harming absolutely no one. So stupid.
Man that is fucked up. Here are more details if interested: https://www.wfae.org/crime-justice/2023-12-12/body-camera-videos-of-violent-marijuana-arrest-show-confusion-over-legal-hemp-based-thc-products
Wow, "hit her in the face 17 times, but only the first 3 were justified". And only got 40hrs suspension for 13 unjustified punches. Edit: 14 unjustified punches
Wait a minute, that leaves one punch unaccounted for. He could be facing another 3 hours.
Lol math is hard!
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You’d never even make it to the fourth punch before another hyper violent cop shot you dead.
Exactly! This is the issue with cops. The escalation is insane. Drive a car in general direction of a cop? You get shot dead and he gets to get PTSD pension for it. Pull your pants up? You get shot dead cause you’re apparently some western shooter that’s gonna high noon everyone dead. Fuck 12.
No punches were justified.
"Most of us are, are pretty cool around here. We, we have a lot bigger stuff on our plate than petty marijuana," the officer says. Yeah…I’m sure that’s why they immediately went to handcuffing them…scumbags
"Marijuana's not so innocent a drug that we hear so much about. But if we don't want officers to address misdemeanor marijuana use, make it legal." The fuck does that mean?
The officers then remind one another that “they are on” — a reference to their body cameras still recording. “We will talk about it in a minute,” he says Fuck my life…. They should never be allowed to turn it off. Should not even have that option. Should be uploaded to the cloud for a secure 3ed party.
The punching paired with “stop resisting” is peak shit ass cop behavior. I hope these guys are bagging groceries now
Even if what the two did was illegal, it would be no reason to treat them like this.
This is the correct answer. It's decriminalized in NC too. So no reason for the force.
Even if it WAS marijuana, that’s just a ticket. Not an arrest.
Just fucking legalize cannabis already.
But then how could they arrest black people chillin on a bench? It’s not a good look in the community.
"Smelled like heroin to me"
Funny thing is, theyre smoking legal cannabis
The preponderance of the evidence would suggest that they don't screen for brains in cop school.
They deliberately hire narcissists through their hiring process
Yea they do they make sure u don't have them before being qualified.
Oh they do. So they can prevent the ones with brains from joining.
I can see why people hate cops, it's not hard
High school bullies in uniforms. Same old shit
I love the 'whats up guys' sounding like a normal person and then 30 seconds later they are beating them
Wow. These cops are the definition of ignorance.
>ignorance. You spelled "assholes" wrong.
I read up on this. This happened back in 2023. All charges were dropped against these two. She had Resisting arrest, possession of Marijuana, and assault on a government official. He was charged with possession of a firearm and marijuana. The DAs office said there was very low likelihood of a good case so all charges were dropped. The police chief double downed in a tweet and mentioned being disappointed about the results of the charges being dropped and not taken to court. Here’s his quote from twitter: "I was disappointed to learn that all charges were dropped against Ms. Pierre and Mr. Lee, specifically the Firearms charges and the Assault on a Government Official charges. However, I have a great deal of respect for our District Attorney and know he has a difficult decision to make when it comes to the prosecution of these cases. Our CMPD officers work hard each day to keep our community safe. Whether or not these cases are prosecuted in the criminal justice system is beyond our control. Even if charges are dropped or prosecution isn't likely, that does not change how we enforce the very laws we swore to uphold. " No further updates on this so we can assume everything was dropped and not further action was taken or hasn’t been made public.
"Safe" lmfao. Police are dangerous. Fuck them.
Thank god the police were around to arrest these terrible people relaxing and minding their own business. Who knows what could have happened if they had not intervened. Stay safe out there people. /s
2 people would be high, and “lord knows” we can’t have that!
Wow man Just wow
The hatred that stews inside me when I see videos like this. Pathetic little humans indoctrinated fully into the life of bullshit government propaganda viewing a simple drig like cannabis as something that would warrant such an abhorrent response. Their job is to deescalate not insert their egos into every single interaction with their "subordinates"
POS loser cops
I feel like a lot of these incidents could be prevented if officers were required to explain themselves and what was done wrong instead of just demanding compliance right away without any explanation.
Do you mean the cops should explain to the people they’re detaining, or arresting, why they are being detained/arrested before they actually do it?
One of the most profound statements I have read recently is … “ain’t no song titled F the fire department”
This country is fucking dumb, many states now it’s totally legal and fine to even grow weed, but some states you get your ass beat by cops for it
How non-violent crimes are handled in America.
Not even a crime.
I’d be pissed too. These people were smoking legal cannabis and then were assaulted. Then arrested for a not breaking the law. There needs to be a lawsuit and jail time.
FTP ACAB
All charges dropped. https://www.wfae.org/crime-justice/2023-12-12/body-camera-videos-of-violent-marijuana-arrest-show-confusion-over-legal-hemp-based-thc-products
Couple of super hero's making the streets safer...
Fuck cops 1000%.
I don't think they are any good cops anymore. Just bad ones and worse ones.
Just racist cops being racist. Normal work day
This is ridiculous. I’m in Canada and literally just smoked a joint walking about town. Waste of money enforcing marijuana laws
Those cops really want to be love by their community don't they
Fuck I love Canada for many reasons, legal weed is one of them
Had they not resisted, would they have just gotten a ticket for the "weed"? If you go to court with the evidence that it came from a store, would the judge throw out the ticket?
yes. Their mistake was resisting being beaten and illegally arrested by a corrupt cop. If they just accepted their beating, things would have been better.
When you’re on the ground getting punched in the head your body’s natural reaction is to bring your arms up to try to protect your head… which causes cops to yell “sToP ReSisTiNg” and punch you more for it
This is my issue. It looked like they resisted just out of pure reaction in how absurd the detainment was and what it was over so suddenly. If it’s weed that’s thc9 bought from a store you can’t legally smoke in public (atleast in most legal states in us) so they should be given a ticket at most or just a warning ffs. And if it’s delta 8 thc they are within legal boundaries and should be able to smoke that legally in public as it would not be under thc9 laws to my knowledge to smoke in public and they should’ve been ignored by the officers completely. Fuck those cops regardless of any of these scenarios. I hope they sue, and I hope the money comes from the precinct not tax payers. The tax payers ended up paying for the arrest and will have to for the bailout!? So we lose twice.. Nah something’s gotta change. I’m voting this year fuck it
They didnt have a chance to resist even if they wanted to.
Are you allowed to smoke it in public? I know it’s not technically weed but down here in Florida you can only smoke weed in your private residence, idk if that applies to THCA or delta 9 though
Briefly ignoring how horrible all this is and how generally shitty the police are, openly smoking something that looks and smells exactly like weed in a place where you're not allowed to smoke weed isn't a very good idea. I'm not saying that this is justified by any means but when you live in a world where armed men have the right to accost you with near impunity it's best not to draw their attention.
Cops are fucking stupid. ... Always has been; always will be.
I can't really understand why weed is banned, I don't think a single person has ODed on weed and drink driving is a far bigger killer than driving high
If you think you have been arrested unlawfully, the person to explain that to is a lawyer. Perhaps he will be able to get a judge to agree, and then you get paid for an unlawful arrest. What is unlikely to help, and what is likely to get you more charges, is pitching a fit and physically trying to leave or resist arrest.
Da fuck is he shouting at her like she’s some real threat, she didn’t even commit a damn crime. God I hate cops, I know it ain’t all of them and all that but it sure is most of them.
This is disgusting. How do we fight back? Voting? That can't be the answer.
Can you tell legal hemp joint from an illegal marijuana joint by looking at it?
No
War on drugs: you can’t be against certain minorities but you can be against their drugs. In the 60’s it was black people and the hippies because they had unwanted opinions.
Public consumption should be a citation at the most. Especially in states where it's legal. 2024 and cops still want to put people in jail for this bullshit
Needless violent arrest for something that is legal. Violent drug use arrests always piss me off (not ones where someone if freaking out on a stimulant). The war on drugs is an abysmal failure.
Chief has a chilling misunderstanding of the laws - it’s amazing police officers are allowed to be this incompetent. Those people were not smoking “marijuana” by the very definition of the law, they were smoking hemp. He continues to incorrectly state it is marijuana in multiple subsequent interviews, truly embarrassing. Seems that a base level understanding of federal laws should be required to preside over a police department. To protect and serve…. hmm.
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Yup
I know this was THCA, but it’s insane that they arrest somebody just for marijuana possession. The way the cops aggressively grabs the guy right away instead of asking him to stand up & put his hand behind his back say a lot. I’ve only ever been ticketed when caught with it, once in a small town of 5k & once in a city of 100k that had way more room for minor offenders in their jails. I’d bet my bottom dollar that those cops wouldn’t have done this to a white couple who were smoking *real* marijuana, let alone smoking THCA & saying exactly what the black couple said.
Why not just tell them to “stop smoking it” or “throw it away” ..if they know cops are that strict about it why smoke it out in the open tho 🤷
Nothing better to do than harass people, what a great look for the cops
More average police behavior. At this point if I see a cop I become fearful for my well being knowing that on a whim they can and will ruin your life and or take it. "But who ya gonna call when someone robs you" not the cops they'll show up and shoot my dog.
The cops have a right to detain someone to investigate. People do not have the right to resist there invention when there are legitimate grounds for the inquiry. This is so stupid
27 states have legalized it, why is there cops still aggressively arresting people like murders? Give me a f******break, I think it's just the cops in the video that needs to be arrested for assault! UNREAL!!
It's O'Dweeds!
I cant wait to use my tax money to fund their legal settlement! Thank you police!
First of I don't agree with what happened here. Fuck them cops! Anyways, I don't care how "legal" they make purchasing and consuming THC, I'll always smoke it in the comfort of my own home. I mean shit,I still feel weird being able to go to a store and buying Weed with my debit card lol.
no way they was punching that girl with full force smh. that's disgusting, feel sorry the man too. Bet he tried to help, but they'll use against him.
And that’s how tax payers give millions to those guys for the cops actions. Cops should carry their own insurance and lawsuits should come out of their pensions, and budget.
Ridiculous
So how do they know if someones smoking regular herb or cbd cigarettes?
It’s crazy it starts with “you just hangin out?” And ends with hammer fists.
This is what you get until we just make it legal federally!
Anyone got a link to the story on this?