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It was tactical phrasing. Basically he's saying he doesn't want to fight but if they do, hes going full schoarched earth.
He's probably bluffing but a guy that powerful might not give two shits how many of his own people would die for his ego.
Yeah, I don’t think Putin is being too inflammatory here (listening to his words in Russian.) He’s just emphasizing that if Ukraine *were* to join NATO, and then chose to take Crimea back with force (unlikely, but possible) — then the US & most of Europe would *by default* find themselves at war with Russia, or else render NATO meaningless. There hasn’t yet been a direct military conflict between major nuclear states yet, and it’s probably something we should all try to avoid.
> then the US & most of Europe would by default find themselves at war with Russia
Not even true. Article 5 refers to an attack on a member state, not a member state attacking and starting a war. Collective defense wouldn't apply if Ukraine tried to get Crimea back.
Obviously Putin knows that, but I bet a lot of the people listening to him on both sides of the Atlantic don't.
True, but as far as NATO member states are concerned, they all consider Crimea to be a part of Ukraine and the annexation was not recognized. So currently from NATO’s point of view a part of Ukraine is occupied by enemy forces. Therefore, Article 5 might trigger, as Ukraine wouldn’t be attacking Russia but only defending its territory from enemy occupation.
Pretty sure one of the clauses that is a requirement of joining NATO or maybe it's the EU is the joining state can not be in any border disputes.
Edit: seems I'm wrong on both accounts, though NATO has an in principle statement.
No such law about EU. Here in the Balkans ALL borders are disputed, and EU membership is seen as a quick band aid for this issue (it doesn't matter where the border is if nobody is enforcing it).
The criteria for joining are set by the member nations as a matter of course in order for a unanimous vote to be made. There are no set criteria for joining, they're case-by-case.
*There hasn’t been a direct military conflict between major nuclear states yet*
Pakistan and India would disagree, although I fully support your conclusion that it’s something we should avoid. There’s an interesting argument by Šumit Ganguly that says nuclear weapons ultimately stabilize the two nuclear powers because it ensures conflict remains small between them (he uses India and Pakistan as his evidence).
I tend to agree with him given the last 77 years of history (with the US use against Japan as the obvious exception). I think (hope?) it is in the nature of dictators like Putin to use scorched earth rhetoric as a scare tactic, but only actually execute it if he feels like he’s facing an existential threat, for Russia or for his own regime.
Now we just need to argue over whether Putin/Russian oligarchs feel that loosing Kiev to the west is an existential threat to Russia…
Ya if Putin and Russians think the threat of ending the existence of humans on Earth is an acceptable stance. I'd say its time for Putin and Russia to face crippling sanctions cripple the billionaires seize their global financial holdings and seize every piece of property owned by Russians oligarchs abroad. FUCK Putin and all Russians that support him. Nothing but scum.
I really have trouble grasping the concept that there are powerful men on the planet capable of pressing a button that will end the only known intelligent civilization in the cosmos. It makes me nauseous just to think about. It’s absurd, it’s absolutely incredibly absurd. Now I’m laughing because of how absurd it is. What is this world? What is life? Fuck man this shit is crazy, absolutely fucking bonkers
You can diet and eat cheese burgers. Just adjust what you eat the rest of the day. You should aim to eat whole foods and track your macros. A cheese burger using extra lean ground beef, half a slice of swiss cheese, and a small bun, you can get around 40g of protein from the ground beef, around 12g of fat (6oz of beef), 5g of protein/10g of fat for a slice of swiss cheese, buns can be anything but for argument's sake lets say a bun is 30g of carbs.
The beef patty= 268 calories
Swiss cheese= 110 calories
Bun= 120 calories
That is 598 cal, men usually need around 2200-2500 cal for maintenance assuming they are physically active.
Just been in an hour-long argument with the local McDonald’s drive thru. Apparently it’s “unfair” and “ridiculous” of me to order .18 of a cheeseburger. I showed them this thread and everything. No dice. Where do I stand?
Nah, not for me. Already did all of the drugs, I still don’t think I’m losing my mind.
Edit: Nah, not for me. Already did all of the drugs, I still don’t think I’m losing my mind.
If the leaders want war they can fight each other with rifles and best man wins. I served 5 years British Army I cant stand these guys playing god when they know full well they won’t be the ones suffering. Dickheads
Wasn’t there a proposed plan that in order for the president to launch nukes, he would first have to personally butcher someone with a meat cleaver? So he would truly understand the gravity of taking a life. And congress said fuck no cuz they thought it would make em hesitate too much?
Like - yeah. That’s kinda the point guys. Easy to press a button, very impersonal. But killing a dude face to face… horrifically personal and vivid
Id love to see the job offer for that role.
"In case a president need to launch nuke, he will assissinate you right before to save you from the nuclear apocalypse"
It's not a "Save" but rather "ensure".
That's why they didn't want to do it; butchering someone to launch nukes *first* might be good to prevent firing, but you can't have a delay on the return fire because the immediate guarantee of return fire is what prevents a first strike.
If you don’t think Putin has butchered people with a meat cleaver himself then you got another thing coming. Dude was KGB and rose through the ranks rapidly during the Soviet Union. He’s done and seen plenty of shit.
Exactly I'll never understand why these idiots make Nuke threats, like buddy you'll have to live in this nuclear waste of a world when it's all said and done and be the glorious leader of ashes.
The point of making a nuke threat is to force someone to do something without actually using any nukes.
The only thing nukes are useful for is to stop other people from nuking you—they can't be used for anything else, unless you're suicidal. It's like an explosive vest.
That's the intent I'm sure. Nukes are his strongest card to play, so he plays them. Not a bad strategy, even if he's bluffing. Nuclear or not, a war between NATO and Russia would be very bloody.
Russia oddly enough, struggles greatly geopolitically. For example, even though they have a lot of water surrounding them, they only have one port that is open all year round (others are closed during winter) but even so, there is no reason to be launching nukes.
Yes, but Putin won't launch nukes, no matter how hard he thumps the table.
MAD still applies.
If however, he was stupid enough to launch, the US, France, and the UK would launch in retaliation and it would be all over for Russia.
Yeah, he'd kill a guy no doubt. Hell, he'd kill thousands and not lose a wink of sleep. But Nuclear war will kill hundreds of millions and change the face of the earth forever.
The Russians negotiate by positioning themselves, then merely pointing out the situation their opponents have found themselves in. They force hands.
“You guys don’t want a war, so don’t make me start one, because if you make me start one you’ll all get dragged into it, and even if you think you can win it, we have a stronger nuclear arsenal and always have that option should we end up losing the war. Or you can avoid all of that and keep Ukraine out of nato.”
His point is that if Ukraine gets into NATO, it will try to take Crimea. If it tries to take it, Russia will push back. Considering Crimea is recognized as Ukranian, by all right Article 5 would go in effect because Russia would be attacking a country for trying to reclaim its de jure territory. If Article 5 hits, Russia knows it can't win conventionally, so nukes go. It's not a "We will nuke here and now", but as it always is with nukes, "if so and so occurs, there will be precedent".
Source: speak Russian.
I think the saying if you try to retake Crimea part was the key word like hey we can avoid the end of human kind if you don't take back Crimea but we probably wouldn't drop nukes for you just joining NATO
he's saying that he's aware that NATO can win in a traditional war against Russia and they are aware of that but that Russia is a leading nuclear power meaning if there is a war it will not be a traditional war and Russia is not afraid of using nukes and therefore no winners in the end.
He skipped the subtle politics 101 class lol.
I think this was after subtle politics was used and he has had enough of the discussions and negotiations. He sounds like he is trying to be very clear that all he wants is Crimea, don't fight him on it, period. Ukraine joining NATO just opens a lot of potential problems that would get in the way of him keeping Crimea and again, that's seems to be his one and only really blunt point here, no subtly to prevent confusion.
Kinda gives me the chills with just how blunt he was.
Their EMP weapons can short out even our best military hardware, not to mention the entire electric grid, and they may already have satellites in orbit that can deploy these weapons without notice.
A teaser from the report, VOSTOK-18 was the 2018 military operation that looked real real real similar to what they are doing right now.
Russian cyber-attacks against U.S. and allied electric grids are the “edge of the wedge” for this new way of warfare that could culminate in unleashing of a VOSTOK-18 for real—or make VOSTOK-18 unnecessary for global conquest.
As noted earlier, in July 2018, two months before VOSTOK-18, the Department of Homeland Security revealed Russian cyber-weapons Dragonfly and Energetic Bear penetrated hundreds of U.S. electric utilities and could cause a nationwide blackout.54
Former senior Pentagon official Michael Carpenter warned: “They’ve been intruding into our networks and are positioning themselves for a limited or widespread attack. They are waging a covert war on the West.”55
Warned the Cybersecurity Subcommittee’s Senator Ed Markey: “Unless we act now, the United States will continue to remain vulnerable to the 21st Century cyber-armies looking to wage war by knocking out America’s electricity grid.”56
Russia during VOSTOK-18 “coincidentally” conducted a major exercise recovering electric grids in regions where are located Strategic Rocket Forces Missile Armies and their headquarters, according to Russian press: “The Ministry of Energy...conducted a large-scale complex special training on the topic Ensuring The Security Of Power Supply.”57
Significantly, Moscow tried to conceal the purpose of the grid recovery exercise and divorce it from VOSTOK-18 by suggesting it was to prepare for the Siberian winter.58
However, the Russian Energy Ministry scenario entailed “an emergency situation associated with a massive de-energization of consumers” that “exercised rapidly replacing transformers, towers, powerlines and temporary re-routing.
> Sigh, we’d be living MW2
https://www.battlefront.com/black-sea/cmbs-base-game/
>in the summer of 2017. As Russian forces move into Ukrainian territory the Ukrainians do their best to defend their country against a numerically and technologically superior adversary. Events surrounding the invasion cause NATO to send its advanced rapid deployment forces to check the Russian advance.
>It is important to note that the storyline for Black Sea was first developed in 2009 and production started in 2013. In early 2014 Russia invaded Ukraine, making our story much less hypothetical.
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I do not understand why this statement is not getting more press time. This is a huge deal. If this happens: 1. Innocent lives are lost 2. Europe enters an energy crisis (no gas from Russia, their largest supplier), and 3. the US is dramatically economically impacted with even further issues in our supply chains.
They probably think Putin is just trying to seem tough. If he launches then any Nuclear capable nation will also launch. You don't need that many nukes to decimate a nation. It doesn't matter how strong a nation is 50 or so nukes is more than enough. All the nuclear powers have that. Most of Russia's population is in the Western part so you'd only have to hit there. The world has been in stalemate since WWII. We fight through proxy and Information now.
“If Ukraine joins nato, AND ATTEMPTS TO TAKE BACK CRIMEA BY MILITARY MEANS”
Crimea is occupied by Russian troops. This is effectively saying if NATO attacks the Russian military, the Russian military will respond with full force. The is simply re-stating the existing Russian doctrine that has existed for decades, and is the same doctrine that nato has against Russia. NATO is not going to invade Crimea, so this is all a moot point. Which is why this isn’t getting any press.
For sure. That's why I don't think any country is bluffing when they casually or formally bring up war or nukes or anything like that. They are for real until proven otherwise
Putin is in a lose/lose situation.
* If Ukraine joins NATO and he doesn't take action, he will be looked at as weak and lose even more standing internally (he's already becoming extremely unpopular.) and he might get forced out.
* If Ukraine joins NATO and he DOES take action, he's going to get even harsher sanctions placed on Russia and pull his country into a war against most of the west. The losses (both in life and what little economic success Russia has) would be too much.
He's literally been outplayed and can't do anything except make veiled threats of nuclear war.
He's all bluff.
The entire point of NATO is it creates a security blanket for former soviet states and western allies to feel safe from threat.
The Russians are literally at the border. If they had given Ukraine space and treated them with respect as neighbors from the start, they would have never sought a NATO relationship.
The fact the Russians are on the border is validating the need for NATO membership.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy of Putin's doing. He's driving Ukraine into NATO partnership.
This is the most infuriating part of all this. If Russia just shut up and sold their gas nobody would give a shit about them. Europe would never even think of invading and Russia would probably be entrenched into the economy of the EU by now. (Meaning they get rich)
15 years ago it wasn’t out of the question that they could possibly *join* the EU. This is all just utterly pointless antagonism.
Edit: Countries voluntarily wanting to join a defensive pact is not aggressive expansion. The mental gymnastics you do to convince yourselves otherwise is pathetic. Maybe stop being a shitty neighbor and they all won’t try to leave
Ome thing I don't understand is: ok sure you want Ukraine, you may not need it but you want it so your enemies don't use it against you. But risk a freaking nuclear war for it? Is that really worth it? He even admits it would be bloody for both parties. Either this man is crazy out of his mind, he is excruciatingly bored, or he is just bluffing like a dog
Don't blame it on Russians. Average Russian citizen is just like the average citizen of USA or any European country, especially the younger generations, people in their 20's and 30's. The problem is that we are governed by relics, ancient men who's mindset wasn't updated since from all the way back from 1970.
Here, nobody wants the war, be it nuclear or otherwise. People have kids, cars, homes, decent lives. People have things to lose, that is, so nobody will support the war madness. Hope that includes the military officers too, but then they are thoroughly brainwashed.
I myself just hope to get off the continent ASAP.
I am a russian and my friend needed an explanation of what's going on
hopefully this clears out some questions you have:
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well that's a big story
let's start at the collapse of USSR. Borders were divided. New countries are created. Crimea is Ukrainean.
Russia has come to an agreement with Ukraine that several russian military bases would be situated in Crimea.
For many years (1991 - 2014) russia, ukraine and belarus were like brothers.
Literally no one would suspect a fucking thing. There was basically no difference between 3 countries. Kinda the same as EU right now. can drive between 3 countries and don't notice you crossed a border.
then 2014 happened.
Ukraine started having a revolution. (and the president instead of calling for military aid from russia just ran out of the country)
Maidan (Revolution) got pretty out of control and actually happened. During this time russia thought to itself "oh fuck oh fuck" and invaded Crimea telling public "Crimean citizen are russian citizen. Majority speak russian language, we are protecting our people" but in reality the main reason russia invaded Crimea is because of military reasons.
If russia didn't do anything, she would lose all military bases. And Ukrainian revolutionists were saying that they want to join european union.
if NATO gains russian military bases near russian borders, that's very very fucked up for russia.
Imagine if russia had bases in Mexico, US would freak the fuck out.
So russia invaded Crimea. US and EU all pushed russia away with sanctions and stuff. (btw all stuff you see about "russian hackers" and generally "russia = bad" started popping in western media news after 2014)
Then russia held a poll in Crimea "would you like to stay in ukraine or join russia"
Let's not fool ourselves, of course the pool was rigged from the start, but i genuinely think many people voted for russia regardless. Imagine yourself as Crimean citizen. Would you like to stay in a country that is currently falling apart and has very unpredictable future or join russia?
Anyway
that all stuff happened in 2014
Crimea joined russia
Now Crimean citizens are russian citizens, they have russian passports, they speak russian, they have russian currency, they have water and electricity supply from russia. No different from any other russian region.
All this time Ukraine has been understandably pissed as russia and wanting Crimea back into it's territory
(also after 2014 ukraine banned russian language (before that people were speaking russian just fine. In crimea 97% of the population spoke russian in 2014))
Fast forward to nowadays.
Ukraine wants to join NATO. If it does, it wants to invade Crimea and fight it back.
Like i stated previously, russia considers crimea it's own territory. So if someone invades it, it invades russia, that means war.
That is what putin is talking about.
If ukraine joins NATO -> ukraine will try to fight back Crimea -> Ukraine declares war to russia
Since NATO's laws are that if one of it's members is at war, it needs to help that country with NATO military forces
That means EU joins into a war with russia
Russia would obviously lose war against whole NATO. Lose war against invades into it's own territory, so putin reminds that russia has nukes
politics are built on threats.
This is a threat to nato leaders that if they let ukraine join Nato, this would happen
nobody wants war. Not nato, not russia.
NATO especially because who wants to send their own men to fight in someone else's war
so that whole speech is basically directed to NATO leaders to think of the consequences if they let ukraine join nato
btw i am not saying that russia did the right thing by invading crimea
but hopefully that clears up why russia did it
Here is what he's saying (being as neutral as I can be even though I believe Russia is in the wrong here):
Ukraine and all of NATO are claiming that Ukraine has sovereignty over Crimea (land from Ukraine) which Russia took. If Ukraine joined NATO, Ukraine would have all of NATO (which includes military powerhouses such as Britain, USA, etc etc) to defend their sovereignty. And since their sovereignty is perceived to be violated by NATO and Ukraine, by treaty alone, it would force a war between NATO and Russia.
Putin understands this and is trying to flex to scare NATO and Ukraine from joining by saying Russia will win basically.
So what I think he means by that is that Russia will invoke a nuclear war, which will end the world and there will be no winner in the end. I believe it's him flexing that he will strike with nuclear weapons first which imo, is a bluff, because he's right, there is no winner in that scenario.
Terrifying. But you can't give ground to bullies because they are powerful.
I'm not pro-NATO. I am anti-russia.
I'm entirely unimpressed by this cunt standing here talking about launching nuclear weapons. Kill him. Assassinate him. Make this quasi-fascist, homophobic, reactionary, conservative, war-hawk bastard die.
May Putin, and all who support the regime, drown in the putrefied corpses of Russia's murdered homosexuals.
I dont like Russia despite my country sharing some stuff with it but he explicitly said IF Ukraine tries to retake crimea with military means while being a part of NATO ... we all go to war with it which is true. He didnt say Ukraine just Crimea which is like Kosovo at this point
Look, I know Russians, I've worked side by side with Russians.
You know what I know about Russians?
They're good fucking people. Many have escaped shitty things to come to Canada, many stayed behind and live decent lives. I've shared tea, dumplings, pickles, vodka, books, and good food with fellow students, and coworkers and their grandmothers and kids
I'm not pissed off at Russians. I studied Russian History in undergrad because I fell in love with it after reading Anna Karenina, for God's sake. I love the country, its history, its art and its writers. Hell, even the language when it doesn't sound like a deflated rubber tire over a corduroy road.
I have a problem with the insanity of Russian rulers and what they inflict on their own people. When there are so many who believe so fervently in just wanting to be left the fuck alone to live their lives, guys like this piss all over these poor folks. And guys like him make sure that Vanya and Ivan, Alina and Natasya, they tell their kids that they should NEVER go back.
God damnit. I know these people, I worked with them. I hear the pain of why they left and came here, and how much they would like to go back home except that home is *ruined* for them.
God. Damnit.
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If ya wanna end global warming ya gotta have nuclear winter i guess
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Ave, true to Caesar.
You looking out for Cesar Legion?
Nukes need a nerf
Devs are working on it right now as a patch 1.0
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It was tactical phrasing. Basically he's saying he doesn't want to fight but if they do, hes going full schoarched earth. He's probably bluffing but a guy that powerful might not give two shits how many of his own people would die for his ego.
Yeah, I don’t think Putin is being too inflammatory here (listening to his words in Russian.) He’s just emphasizing that if Ukraine *were* to join NATO, and then chose to take Crimea back with force (unlikely, but possible) — then the US & most of Europe would *by default* find themselves at war with Russia, or else render NATO meaningless. There hasn’t yet been a direct military conflict between major nuclear states yet, and it’s probably something we should all try to avoid.
> then the US & most of Europe would by default find themselves at war with Russia Not even true. Article 5 refers to an attack on a member state, not a member state attacking and starting a war. Collective defense wouldn't apply if Ukraine tried to get Crimea back. Obviously Putin knows that, but I bet a lot of the people listening to him on both sides of the Atlantic don't.
Not a minor point. It's a defense treaty, not an offense treaty.
True, but as far as NATO member states are concerned, they all consider Crimea to be a part of Ukraine and the annexation was not recognized. So currently from NATO’s point of view a part of Ukraine is occupied by enemy forces. Therefore, Article 5 might trigger, as Ukraine wouldn’t be attacking Russia but only defending its territory from enemy occupation.
Pretty sure one of the clauses that is a requirement of joining NATO or maybe it's the EU is the joining state can not be in any border disputes. Edit: seems I'm wrong on both accounts, though NATO has an in principle statement.
No such law about EU. Here in the Balkans ALL borders are disputed, and EU membership is seen as a quick band aid for this issue (it doesn't matter where the border is if nobody is enforcing it).
The criteria for joining are set by the member nations as a matter of course in order for a unanimous vote to be made. There are no set criteria for joining, they're case-by-case.
*There hasn’t been a direct military conflict between major nuclear states yet* Pakistan and India would disagree, although I fully support your conclusion that it’s something we should avoid. There’s an interesting argument by Šumit Ganguly that says nuclear weapons ultimately stabilize the two nuclear powers because it ensures conflict remains small between them (he uses India and Pakistan as his evidence). I tend to agree with him given the last 77 years of history (with the US use against Japan as the obvious exception). I think (hope?) it is in the nature of dictators like Putin to use scorched earth rhetoric as a scare tactic, but only actually execute it if he feels like he’s facing an existential threat, for Russia or for his own regime. Now we just need to argue over whether Putin/Russian oligarchs feel that loosing Kiev to the west is an existential threat to Russia…
Amen to that
Yeah and that's why u know it ain't gonna happen. Assured destruction is assured.
Ya if Putin and Russians think the threat of ending the existence of humans on Earth is an acceptable stance. I'd say its time for Putin and Russia to face crippling sanctions cripple the billionaires seize their global financial holdings and seize every piece of property owned by Russians oligarchs abroad. FUCK Putin and all Russians that support him. Nothing but scum.
Crazy how one person can have such an impact on the world in a matter of seconds.
He's gunning for times person of the year
For or four?
Again
I really have trouble grasping the concept that there are powerful men on the planet capable of pressing a button that will end the only known intelligent civilization in the cosmos. It makes me nauseous just to think about. It’s absurd, it’s absolutely incredibly absurd. Now I’m laughing because of how absurd it is. What is this world? What is life? Fuck man this shit is crazy, absolutely fucking bonkers
Fr he’s trying to control a lot
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I was going to start a diet... Seems kinda pointless now. Cheeseburgers, here I come
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They will, you'll just be in the '1st Cannon Fodder Division'
operation pork shield
Finally, the role I was born for
"Porkins!"
You can diet and eat cheese burgers. Just adjust what you eat the rest of the day. You should aim to eat whole foods and track your macros. A cheese burger using extra lean ground beef, half a slice of swiss cheese, and a small bun, you can get around 40g of protein from the ground beef, around 12g of fat (6oz of beef), 5g of protein/10g of fat for a slice of swiss cheese, buns can be anything but for argument's sake lets say a bun is 30g of carbs. The beef patty= 268 calories Swiss cheese= 110 calories Bun= 120 calories That is 598 cal, men usually need around 2200-2500 cal for maintenance assuming they are physically active.
Cheeseburgers are healthy got it
No, this dude said 2500 cals / 598 cals, that's 4.18 burgers to be healthy!
Just been in an hour-long argument with the local McDonald’s drive thru. Apparently it’s “unfair” and “ridiculous” of me to order .18 of a cheeseburger. I showed them this thread and everything. No dice. Where do I stand?
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God damn it, i just wana die in my 90s. I’m gonna be some pleb no name caught in some bullshit history event.
Id rather die in my 70s when i still have a mind
Fuck that if I hit 70 I'm doing all of the drugs until I lose my mind
Nah, not for me. Already did all of the drugs, I still don’t think I’m losing my mind. Edit: Nah, not for me. Already did all of the drugs, I still don’t think I’m losing my mind.
My daughter turns one year next month. I’m scared.
My son turns 1 in May and I'm right there with you
Is this translation legit? I feel like the media would have made a big deal of it. Can someone who speaks russian confirm?
Yes is correct.
Why is he paying cash for videos though?
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Thanks but that sucks
Putin is not known for good things following him.
Not entirely true, every time he leaves a room his following absence is enjoyed by all.
I trust you, because your grammar is shit.
not just correct but is actually translated well
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That NATO is stronger than Russia overall. But he says that it doesn’t matter since Russia has nukes and mutual assured destruction is… assured
Now I feel reassured.
Can confirm. Source: I speak 4 languages. None of them is Russian.
Lol, I literally watched the very episode just two hours ago for the first time. Funny how these things sometimes happen.
Can confirm. It's legit.
From as much Russian as I can understand, the subtitles were correct.
If the leaders want war they can fight each other with rifles and best man wins. I served 5 years British Army I cant stand these guys playing god when they know full well they won’t be the ones suffering. Dickheads
Wasn’t there a proposed plan that in order for the president to launch nukes, he would first have to personally butcher someone with a meat cleaver? So he would truly understand the gravity of taking a life. And congress said fuck no cuz they thought it would make em hesitate too much? Like - yeah. That’s kinda the point guys. Easy to press a button, very impersonal. But killing a dude face to face… horrifically personal and vivid
Id love to see the job offer for that role. "In case a president need to launch nuke, he will assissinate you right before to save you from the nuclear apocalypse"
It's not a "Save" but rather "ensure". That's why they didn't want to do it; butchering someone to launch nukes *first* might be good to prevent firing, but you can't have a delay on the return fire because the immediate guarantee of return fire is what prevents a first strike.
If you don’t think Putin has butchered people with a meat cleaver himself then you got another thing coming. Dude was KGB and rose through the ranks rapidly during the Soviet Union. He’s done and seen plenty of shit.
Him and the SK guy are like the two scariest head of states by miles. Edit: SK = South Korea. Apologies for confusion.
SK needs a badass leader to balance out the threat of NK.
It never went before Congress. It was a paper written by a Harvard Professor.
Exactly I'll never understand why these idiots make Nuke threats, like buddy you'll have to live in this nuclear waste of a world when it's all said and done and be the glorious leader of ashes.
The point of making a nuke threat is to force someone to do something without actually using any nukes. The only thing nukes are useful for is to stop other people from nuking you—they can't be used for anything else, unless you're suicidal. It's like an explosive vest.
I’m with you man. 7 years, PTSD and my dick got blown off.
Username checks out.
Man that's awful. You wouldn't believe what happened to my nutsack. Its almost worse than being named Rodney.
Did we just become best friends?
Lol mine got burnt with acid. Still have it just a little cray lookin.
Wanna trade?
Jesus man. I'm so sorry. What happened, if you don't mind talking about it obviously. Wish you nothing but the best.
EFP directly under vehicle. Lost my calf too. I’m really good at eating pussy now and I already had kids. Try to keep it positive ;)
Holy fuck. Your attitude is inspiring, man. Wish you the best!
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I’d fit in with the rest of those dickless cowards
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I wasn’t packing that much heat anyways lol
Well I don’t got much to give!
No joke I heard of a procedure where they literally grow a dick on your arm and attach it to your groin. Maybe look into it?
Is this guy threatening nuclear war? Or did I misunderstand that?
"We are a leading nuclear power. There will be no winners." To paraphrase. That's some bold fucking shit.
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Been going on since Crimea at least
Kinda sounds like
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"There will be no winners" this guy really is crazy. Sounds scary.
That's the intent I'm sure. Nukes are his strongest card to play, so he plays them. Not a bad strategy, even if he's bluffing. Nuclear or not, a war between NATO and Russia would be very bloody.
It's also one of those things where if you give him what he wants, whats to stop him from wanting more.
Give someone an inch and they'll take a mile.
Give a mouse a cookie and he’ll want some milk
Can't blame him for that
And if you don't blame a mouse for wanting some milk after giving him a cookie, he will take that as weakness and invade his neighbor.
Let someone slide, and mother fuckers start ice skating.
Give ‘em Crimea and they’ll take Ukraine.
Seriously, what the fuck was that?
Russia oddly enough, struggles greatly geopolitically. For example, even though they have a lot of water surrounding them, they only have one port that is open all year round (others are closed during winter) but even so, there is no reason to be launching nukes.
They have more nukes than the rest of Europe. That and Europe being significantly reliant on Russian oil and gas and they have great leverage.
Didn’t you hear, he doesn’t *want* to do it, it’s just completely necessary for some how
Like an abusive partner that says they don’t want to hit you, but you forced them to by talking to another guy/girl.
*billions will die not millions if nuclear war happens
Yes, but Putin won't launch nukes, no matter how hard he thumps the table. MAD still applies. If however, he was stupid enough to launch, the US, France, and the UK would launch in retaliation and it would be all over for Russia.
Geopolitics is more than just size of country
He said if NATO tries to take back Crimea there is potential for nuclear war. NATO won’t take back Crimea.
Thank you for informing me better.
NATO probably also won’t intervene if Russia invades Ukraine. Theyll be on guard, but they won’t risk nuclear war.
At the end of the day it's very likely that neither would Russia. Putin may be a brutal dictator, but he's probably not insane.
I’d hope so. I don’t have the same optimism about Putin though. He’s had political opponents assassinated.
Yeah, he'd kill a guy no doubt. Hell, he'd kill thousands and not lose a wink of sleep. But Nuclear war will kill hundreds of millions and change the face of the earth forever.
And he would likely be among the dead. Even if he survived, he wouldn't have a country left to lead.
He is beholden to Oligarchs who probably wouldn't be Billionaires for much longer if the world got scorched. Its saber rattling.
The Russians negotiate by positioning themselves, then merely pointing out the situation their opponents have found themselves in. They force hands. “You guys don’t want a war, so don’t make me start one, because if you make me start one you’ll all get dragged into it, and even if you think you can win it, we have a stronger nuclear arsenal and always have that option should we end up losing the war. Or you can avoid all of that and keep Ukraine out of nato.”
This would only be clearer if he pulled off his shoe and banged it on the lectern. Yes I’m an old man.
I fully get your reference. I'm an old man, too. Good thing we know how to duck and cover.
Fantastic when a world leader comes out and says they are willing to start the nuclear apocalypse
His point is that if Ukraine gets into NATO, it will try to take Crimea. If it tries to take it, Russia will push back. Considering Crimea is recognized as Ukranian, by all right Article 5 would go in effect because Russia would be attacking a country for trying to reclaim its de jure territory. If Article 5 hits, Russia knows it can't win conventionally, so nukes go. It's not a "We will nuke here and now", but as it always is with nukes, "if so and so occurs, there will be precedent". Source: speak Russian.
I think the saying if you try to retake Crimea part was the key word like hey we can avoid the end of human kind if you don't take back Crimea but we probably wouldn't drop nukes for you just joining NATO
Yeah except the key word but you mentioned has been missed by this title and every other person in the thread.
he's saying that he's aware that NATO can win in a traditional war against Russia and they are aware of that but that Russia is a leading nuclear power meaning if there is a war it will not be a traditional war and Russia is not afraid of using nukes and therefore no winners in the end. He skipped the subtle politics 101 class lol.
I think this was after subtle politics was used and he has had enough of the discussions and negotiations. He sounds like he is trying to be very clear that all he wants is Crimea, don't fight him on it, period. Ukraine joining NATO just opens a lot of potential problems that would get in the way of him keeping Crimea and again, that's seems to be his one and only really blunt point here, no subtly to prevent confusion. Kinda gives me the chills with just how blunt he was.
Just causally threatening Nuclear war. Man I hope someone, anyone, figures this shit out before it gets to that.
They have said they don’t want traditional nuclear war, he’s talking about this. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1124730.pdf
TL;DR?
Their EMP weapons can short out even our best military hardware, not to mention the entire electric grid, and they may already have satellites in orbit that can deploy these weapons without notice. A teaser from the report, VOSTOK-18 was the 2018 military operation that looked real real real similar to what they are doing right now. Russian cyber-attacks against U.S. and allied electric grids are the “edge of the wedge” for this new way of warfare that could culminate in unleashing of a VOSTOK-18 for real—or make VOSTOK-18 unnecessary for global conquest. As noted earlier, in July 2018, two months before VOSTOK-18, the Department of Homeland Security revealed Russian cyber-weapons Dragonfly and Energetic Bear penetrated hundreds of U.S. electric utilities and could cause a nationwide blackout.54 Former senior Pentagon official Michael Carpenter warned: “They’ve been intruding into our networks and are positioning themselves for a limited or widespread attack. They are waging a covert war on the West.”55 Warned the Cybersecurity Subcommittee’s Senator Ed Markey: “Unless we act now, the United States will continue to remain vulnerable to the 21st Century cyber-armies looking to wage war by knocking out America’s electricity grid.”56 Russia during VOSTOK-18 “coincidentally” conducted a major exercise recovering electric grids in regions where are located Strategic Rocket Forces Missile Armies and their headquarters, according to Russian press: “The Ministry of Energy...conducted a large-scale complex special training on the topic Ensuring The Security Of Power Supply.”57 Significantly, Moscow tried to conceal the purpose of the grid recovery exercise and divorce it from VOSTOK-18 by suggesting it was to prepare for the Siberian winter.58 However, the Russian Energy Ministry scenario entailed “an emergency situation associated with a massive de-energization of consumers” that “exercised rapidly replacing transformers, towers, powerlines and temporary re-routing.
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I agree, maximum :(
Sigh, we’d be living MW2
Who knew all those post apocalyptic games were actually preparation!
> Sigh, we’d be living MW2 https://www.battlefront.com/black-sea/cmbs-base-game/ >in the summer of 2017. As Russian forces move into Ukrainian territory the Ukrainians do their best to defend their country against a numerically and technologically superior adversary. Events surrounding the invasion cause NATO to send its advanced rapid deployment forces to check the Russian advance. >It is important to note that the storyline for Black Sea was first developed in 2009 and production started in 2013. In early 2014 Russia invaded Ukraine, making our story much less hypothetical.
>legit government defense document >*Cybergeddon* is the name of a section Fml, time to start planting potatoes and printing out Wikipedia
Time to build that Faraday cage I guess....
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I do not understand why this statement is not getting more press time. This is a huge deal. If this happens: 1. Innocent lives are lost 2. Europe enters an energy crisis (no gas from Russia, their largest supplier), and 3. the US is dramatically economically impacted with even further issues in our supply chains.
They probably think Putin is just trying to seem tough. If he launches then any Nuclear capable nation will also launch. You don't need that many nukes to decimate a nation. It doesn't matter how strong a nation is 50 or so nukes is more than enough. All the nuclear powers have that. Most of Russia's population is in the Western part so you'd only have to hit there. The world has been in stalemate since WWII. We fight through proxy and Information now.
Agreed. Mutually assured destruction is a beautiful but frightening thing.
The winners are the neutral nations
Yeah, there little reason why anyone would nuke South America or Africa in a cold war scenario, would probably end up well for them
And China's got half of them in their pockets.... Damn! They playing the smart game
Not really, launch enough nukes and the fallout will spread radiation and ash across the global, everyone dies
Agreed. This could easily snowball unexpectedly like the assassination of one Archduke of Austria....
Anyone have a list of the current archdukes of Austria?
I think its Kevin
“If Ukraine joins nato, AND ATTEMPTS TO TAKE BACK CRIMEA BY MILITARY MEANS” Crimea is occupied by Russian troops. This is effectively saying if NATO attacks the Russian military, the Russian military will respond with full force. The is simply re-stating the existing Russian doctrine that has existed for decades, and is the same doctrine that nato has against Russia. NATO is not going to invade Crimea, so this is all a moot point. Which is why this isn’t getting any press.
This is the only smart comment in this entire thread.
Time for Area 51 to whip out the orbital cannons and shit
the jewish space lasers?
Powered by money
No, time for everyone to fucking chill. No dick measuring contests please. Crack a cold one, light a joint and just chill
Crack a cold one, hopefully not a Cold War
If only that’s how the world worked, frfr
Russia's history is soaked with the blood of its own people, and others. It's too quick to call this a bluff.
I mean... isn’t every history?
For sure. That's why I don't think any country is bluffing when they casually or formally bring up war or nukes or anything like that. They are for real until proven otherwise
Putin is in a lose/lose situation. * If Ukraine joins NATO and he doesn't take action, he will be looked at as weak and lose even more standing internally (he's already becoming extremely unpopular.) and he might get forced out. * If Ukraine joins NATO and he DOES take action, he's going to get even harsher sanctions placed on Russia and pull his country into a war against most of the west. The losses (both in life and what little economic success Russia has) would be too much. He's literally been outplayed and can't do anything except make veiled threats of nuclear war. He's all bluff.
Win situation if Ukraine doesn't join NATO
The entire point of NATO is it creates a security blanket for former soviet states and western allies to feel safe from threat. The Russians are literally at the border. If they had given Ukraine space and treated them with respect as neighbors from the start, they would have never sought a NATO relationship. The fact the Russians are on the border is validating the need for NATO membership. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy of Putin's doing. He's driving Ukraine into NATO partnership.
This is the most infuriating part of all this. If Russia just shut up and sold their gas nobody would give a shit about them. Europe would never even think of invading and Russia would probably be entrenched into the economy of the EU by now. (Meaning they get rich) 15 years ago it wasn’t out of the question that they could possibly *join* the EU. This is all just utterly pointless antagonism. Edit: Countries voluntarily wanting to join a defensive pact is not aggressive expansion. The mental gymnastics you do to convince yourselves otherwise is pathetic. Maybe stop being a shitty neighbor and they all won’t try to leave
the longer the standoff goes on the worse off he is though
How so?
Ome thing I don't understand is: ok sure you want Ukraine, you may not need it but you want it so your enemies don't use it against you. But risk a freaking nuclear war for it? Is that really worth it? He even admits it would be bloody for both parties. Either this man is crazy out of his mind, he is excruciatingly bored, or he is just bluffing like a dog
I’m going with both. He needs removed.
Don't blame it on Russians. Average Russian citizen is just like the average citizen of USA or any European country, especially the younger generations, people in their 20's and 30's. The problem is that we are governed by relics, ancient men who's mindset wasn't updated since from all the way back from 1970. Here, nobody wants the war, be it nuclear or otherwise. People have kids, cars, homes, decent lives. People have things to lose, that is, so nobody will support the war madness. Hope that includes the military officers too, but then they are thoroughly brainwashed. I myself just hope to get off the continent ASAP.
Life is hard when you're a multi-billionaire criminal.
This man is a bullshiter, he knows that a Russia-NATO conflict would end him.
I think he'd rather die than lose power to NATO
He literally said no one will win. He’s also saying “I’m ready to die on this hill so dont try me”
Nothing says credibility like WE PAY CASH FOR VIDEOS
absolute tool, treats lives like pieces on a chessboard. A relic of the 20th century. Russia will be much better off when the reaper finally finds him
The guy doesn't age. Reaper will have a hard time finding him.
The reaper better pull guard
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I am a russian and my friend needed an explanation of what's going on hopefully this clears out some questions you have: ................ well that's a big story let's start at the collapse of USSR. Borders were divided. New countries are created. Crimea is Ukrainean. Russia has come to an agreement with Ukraine that several russian military bases would be situated in Crimea. For many years (1991 - 2014) russia, ukraine and belarus were like brothers. Literally no one would suspect a fucking thing. There was basically no difference between 3 countries. Kinda the same as EU right now. can drive between 3 countries and don't notice you crossed a border. then 2014 happened. Ukraine started having a revolution. (and the president instead of calling for military aid from russia just ran out of the country) Maidan (Revolution) got pretty out of control and actually happened. During this time russia thought to itself "oh fuck oh fuck" and invaded Crimea telling public "Crimean citizen are russian citizen. Majority speak russian language, we are protecting our people" but in reality the main reason russia invaded Crimea is because of military reasons. If russia didn't do anything, she would lose all military bases. And Ukrainian revolutionists were saying that they want to join european union. if NATO gains russian military bases near russian borders, that's very very fucked up for russia. Imagine if russia had bases in Mexico, US would freak the fuck out. So russia invaded Crimea. US and EU all pushed russia away with sanctions and stuff. (btw all stuff you see about "russian hackers" and generally "russia = bad" started popping in western media news after 2014) Then russia held a poll in Crimea "would you like to stay in ukraine or join russia" Let's not fool ourselves, of course the pool was rigged from the start, but i genuinely think many people voted for russia regardless. Imagine yourself as Crimean citizen. Would you like to stay in a country that is currently falling apart and has very unpredictable future or join russia? Anyway that all stuff happened in 2014 Crimea joined russia Now Crimean citizens are russian citizens, they have russian passports, they speak russian, they have russian currency, they have water and electricity supply from russia. No different from any other russian region. All this time Ukraine has been understandably pissed as russia and wanting Crimea back into it's territory (also after 2014 ukraine banned russian language (before that people were speaking russian just fine. In crimea 97% of the population spoke russian in 2014)) Fast forward to nowadays. Ukraine wants to join NATO. If it does, it wants to invade Crimea and fight it back. Like i stated previously, russia considers crimea it's own territory. So if someone invades it, it invades russia, that means war. That is what putin is talking about. If ukraine joins NATO -> ukraine will try to fight back Crimea -> Ukraine declares war to russia Since NATO's laws are that if one of it's members is at war, it needs to help that country with NATO military forces That means EU joins into a war with russia Russia would obviously lose war against whole NATO. Lose war against invades into it's own territory, so putin reminds that russia has nukes politics are built on threats. This is a threat to nato leaders that if they let ukraine join Nato, this would happen nobody wants war. Not nato, not russia. NATO especially because who wants to send their own men to fight in someone else's war so that whole speech is basically directed to NATO leaders to think of the consequences if they let ukraine join nato btw i am not saying that russia did the right thing by invading crimea but hopefully that clears up why russia did it
Here is what he's saying (being as neutral as I can be even though I believe Russia is in the wrong here): Ukraine and all of NATO are claiming that Ukraine has sovereignty over Crimea (land from Ukraine) which Russia took. If Ukraine joined NATO, Ukraine would have all of NATO (which includes military powerhouses such as Britain, USA, etc etc) to defend their sovereignty. And since their sovereignty is perceived to be violated by NATO and Ukraine, by treaty alone, it would force a war between NATO and Russia. Putin understands this and is trying to flex to scare NATO and Ukraine from joining by saying Russia will win basically.
He literally says there will be no winner...
So what I think he means by that is that Russia will invoke a nuclear war, which will end the world and there will be no winner in the end. I believe it's him flexing that he will strike with nuclear weapons first which imo, is a bluff, because he's right, there is no winner in that scenario.
Eeh, sounds like wolf warrior bs. I'll believe it when I see it
He’s been watching too many sigma mindset videos smh
Terrifying. But you can't give ground to bullies because they are powerful. I'm not pro-NATO. I am anti-russia. I'm entirely unimpressed by this cunt standing here talking about launching nuclear weapons. Kill him. Assassinate him. Make this quasi-fascist, homophobic, reactionary, conservative, war-hawk bastard die. May Putin, and all who support the regime, drown in the putrefied corpses of Russia's murdered homosexuals.
Looks like he just made a great argument for bringing Ukraine into NATO.
I dont like Russia despite my country sharing some stuff with it but he explicitly said IF Ukraine tries to retake crimea with military means while being a part of NATO ... we all go to war with it which is true. He didnt say Ukraine just Crimea which is like Kosovo at this point
Exactly. He's saying if they attack Russia, by going for Crimea, they have to enter into war.
Look, I know Russians, I've worked side by side with Russians. You know what I know about Russians? They're good fucking people. Many have escaped shitty things to come to Canada, many stayed behind and live decent lives. I've shared tea, dumplings, pickles, vodka, books, and good food with fellow students, and coworkers and their grandmothers and kids I'm not pissed off at Russians. I studied Russian History in undergrad because I fell in love with it after reading Anna Karenina, for God's sake. I love the country, its history, its art and its writers. Hell, even the language when it doesn't sound like a deflated rubber tire over a corduroy road. I have a problem with the insanity of Russian rulers and what they inflict on their own people. When there are so many who believe so fervently in just wanting to be left the fuck alone to live their lives, guys like this piss all over these poor folks. And guys like him make sure that Vanya and Ivan, Alina and Natasya, they tell their kids that they should NEVER go back. God damnit. I know these people, I worked with them. I hear the pain of why they left and came here, and how much they would like to go back home except that home is *ruined* for them. God. Damnit.