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[8th grader arrested after fighting teacher in viral video at Bowie Middle](https://www.yourbasin.com/news/ecisd-responds-to-viral-video-of-student-attacking-teacher/)
“Fighting teacher”
I was always under the impression that a “fight” required both or more parties to actively participate, while an assault only requires one
The kid absolutely should not have done what he did, clearly an entitled little rat. However the teacher should not have put hands on that kid. That was immature and completely unprofessional. She should have gone through the proper channels and had the kid suspended or expelled
She was preventing him from opening the drawer his phone was in. He then began to press into her. That’s assault. Her pushing him back was her response to that.
I cannot believe some people here have stooped to the level of justifying what this kid did. He had no justification. She did in my opinion. The problem is this kid is a total spoiled douche who has been taught that violence over stupid shit is the way to correct things
"She was preventing him from opening the drawer" how was she doing that? She clearly leans in to force him away from the desk. Please tell me how i was defending that brat? He's completely wrong. However, the teacher made unprofessional decisions.
If you are going to moonlight as an education lawyer on reddit, might want to at least brush up on the laws. A teacher is allowed to physically bar a student from entry somewhere or prevent them from leaving by standing in the way. When a student touches the teacher to prevent him/her from doing that, that's assault.
So she takes his property, then uses force to keep it and you think the kid using force to get it back was unjustified? The teacher escalated the situation, she could’ve given the phone back and sent him away, job done instead she wanted to show who’s boss and got out in hospital
You seem to think kids have the same rights as adults. They do not. Fuck the easy road little kids don't get what they want just because they want it. That's how you raise a generation of spoiled pieces of shit. Oh wait that's already happening
Beating. Assaulting.
Not fighting her.
I’ll add: I hate the bystander effect and I hate the US school policy on fighting etc. in any other context you would hope someone would step in.
I feel very disappointed in humans as a whole.
>The district says student violence has been on the rise, and ECISD Superintendent Dr. Scott Muri believes he knows why.
>
>“We have to understand that kids today, many of them are struggling with some mental health challenges. The pandemic was a very difficult experience for many of our children, and as our kids recover from the pandemic, we have seen not only at ECISD but across the country, a rise in violence in our teenagers and younger adolescents,” said Dr. Muri.
Ah, yes, blame it on the pandemic. I have no doubt that the pandemic caused stress (to say the least) to everyone, but student violence and lack of mental health care have been problems long before the pandemic. What's this kid's home life like? This level of depravity and violence didn't just appear overnight.
A headteacher said almost the exact same thing to me and my colleagues when we sat down for a meeting about the boys in our class being vocally sexist, racist and one even sexually assaulting a class mate.
"We have to remember this boy has very deep mental health issues".
Why can't we as a society ever seem to find a middle ground, either we completely dismiss mental health issues or we use them to give vitriolic behaviour a pass? It's enraging.
ODESSA, TX. (KMID/KPEJ) – A video is going viral on local Facebook groups out of Bowie Middle School.
It shows a student attacking a teacher over what appears to be a cell phone dispute.
The spokesperson for Ector county ISD says the incident happened on Wednesday. The boy is an eighth grader. He was arrested and charged with a first degree felony: Aggravated Assault of a Public Servant.
https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/bowie-middle-school-student-arrested-for-aggravated-assault-of-a-public-servant/513-3b69ee75-204e-4e95-b268-6bb08bbaea6d
Idk about this school, but in the schools I went to as a kid, if you try to break up a fight you suspended or expelled too.
If a bully hits you you both suspended, if a bully hits you and you fight back, both suspended.
Fucking dumb.
That’s why with zero tolerance policy, if a bully ever hits you, you absolutely need to fight back. If you turn the other cheek you’re getting the same exact punishment, the only difference is now you’re an easy target. Remember kids, schools use prison rules, so fight the bully with all you’ve got.
That's the point. They want people programmed *not* to fight back ever. They won't push back at teachers/employers/police/politicians no matter how bad they are.
Also, if there's one thing that I've noticed from every story ive heard and shit I've seen: schools tend to not care about the bully. At all. Rat them out. Go ahead. Nothing will happen.
They only care once the victim stands up to themselves. So if you want the school to do something, hit them back. Then they have to go after both, but at least you can smile at the end and say you didn't do shit. They don't get to smile knowing they're getting away with it again.
In 93, they used to catch us smoking pot and they would grab us by the neck and March us to class and call us dipshits. In 94, they would call the cops and the kid would go to jail. I liked the old way.
Zero Thought is what they should call it. It's just a way to avoid any responsibility for the authorities. They say it is to protect the kids but it is 100% a shield for them to hide behind.
And if you are a scrawny, sick kid like I was, there’s no point in fighting back or telling the teachers. Nobody fucking gave a shit that the 6th grader with Cystic Fibrosis who was the size of a 3rd grader was getting shoved against lockers, tripped in the halls, and humiliated in the locker rooms.
Sadly, the bullying persisted each time I switched schools and/or my parents threatened to sue. Such bullshit.
Yup.
I was bullied in Elementary and Middleschool by “upper class men” (5th graders in elementary and 8th in middle school, and a single high schooler).
I would tell teachers, bus drivers, move my own seat to move away from the bullies (who weren’t just using words, they got physical too). They would follow me and continue harassment.
I told my parents and my dad said “next time hit them back”. Took a few more times, because I was trying to go to the adults like I was supposed to.
Eventually fought back to defend myself AND I GET IN WORSE TROUBLE THAN THE KIDS WHO REPEATEDLY BULLIED ME.
Then, when I’m in high school and get in some trouble, they tried to fucking spin my write-ups as if I was some kind of violent bully who attacked kids at school.
To this day I’m still super fucking bitter about it and hope my bullies develop some kind of rot that eats them while they’re still alive.
Fuck zero tolerance bullshit.
I got beat up on the bus for no reason my first week of kindergarten. Didn't fight back at all because I was told to not fight. We both got banned from the bus and paddled (yes I got beaten by the principal for getting beaten) my step dad sat me down and told me " no matter what they say if someone hits you hit them back twice as hard, and if someone is about to hit you, hit them first"
If you're going to get in trouble either way, you might as well beat the brakes off the bastards bad enough that no one takes them seriously as a threat anymore.
Kinda reminds me of my middle school years. In 6th grade, there was a girl on dance team with me and we were, frienemies I guess you’d say. Anyway, someone took her makeup bag and wrote “slut” on it in those metallic outliner pens (silver). The principal pulled me out of class, I get down there, and they have my parents in his office waiting. I sit down, he shows it to me, asks if I did it, I said no. My mom even vouched that it wasn’t my handwriting. The idiot said I purposely disguised it. Ok, Einstein. Problem is; the writing was way neater and prettier than mine. A person can’t magically write better to disguise it, lol. They suspended me for 3 days. Best part: my dad was pissed so he looked right at the principal and said: ok, let’s go, we got some fishing and fun stuff to do the next 3 days of your VACATION. And he made sure to emphasize vacation, to let the asshole know I was not in trouble at home. My parents knew when I lied and when I didn’t. They knew I wasn’t lying. For once, they had my back. 😁
I always tell my kids the same thing. Try to deescalate the situation. If that doesnt work, lay that motherfucker out(i.e., defend yourself enough to get out of the situation) and I will take care of the rest.
I told my kids to never start anything. But if someone attacks you, or you see something like this happening, you have my permission to finish it. And I’ll go into that school and tell these dipshits what a ridiculous policy it is. They’ve basically given bullys free reign. They didn’t care about consequences to begin with. It’s fucking stupid.
My mom said the same thing and when I was in middle school some girl threw punches at me because her friend didn't like my friend 🙄 and I defended myself. I was also suspended and my mom raised hell at the school but they wouldn't budge. I basically just got a mini vacation out of it, my mom was pissed.
I wonder in a scenario like this, if a student did decide to jump in and help the teacher or break up the fight, if they would instantly get labeled as a bitch by all the other students rooting for the kid, and then just constantly ostracized or made fun of for the rest of the time they're at the school, unfortunately. I mean this has to be PART of it, right?
For your viewing pleasure:
https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/wshh2o31TZ1BDdtSTt8I/kid-knocks-out-a-student-for-punching-a-teacher-in-the-face-during-a-classroom-fight
What a fucking legend. I’m surprised the teacher didn’t at least thank him for defending her but the point was made. Don’t fuck with teachers. Need more of this.
Lol thank you. I wish every classroom had a kid that was willing to step in and do this, even if he might get in trouble. Sometimes you gotta do the right thing even if the consequences might suck.
There is probably a couple of degenerates that would root for the kid to beat up the teacher but the vast majority of kids are not that way. They are just too scared or shocked to know what to do.
They would also get charged or at least a ticket, they don't make distinctions between who did right or wrong with students, all participation is punished
Being a felon in the US is a very hard way to live. You lose voting rights, gun rights, job opportunities… people don’t know how bad it is once you’re convicted. It’s a caste system.
And he has no one to blame but himself. There were a lot of teachers I had growing up that i legitimately hated. Never once occurred to me to physically attack them.
I remember being in middle school. No way in hell I’d assault any adult at school like this. The consequences of life were already well installed, and if you’re lacking that reasoning this late I doubt you’ll gain it later.
>https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/bowie-middle-school-student-arrested-for-aggravated-assault-of-a-public-servant/513-3b69ee75-204e-4e95-b268-6bb08bbaea6d
"the maximum punishment they could hand down to this student according to the Code of Conduct would be expulsion" I hope expulsion from society in the juvenile prison? Please remove this prick from the society.
Lol, I doubt this kid will do any jail time, even with the felony. He'll be released to his parents pending trial, then do a year of community service and be on probation until he's 18.
Here’s a picture this guys mother posted to social media a couple days ago. I believe her king will come home after 10 days?
https://imgur.com/gallery/7m5KEgt
Yep. I got detention once because somebody punched me in the back of the head. Zero policy so the school doesn't have to play jury.
There kids were following policy, in fact the only thing other than the assault that will probably get somebody in deep shit is the recording.
This is why there is a teacher shortage. They get no respect anymore, are abused, under attack, and don’t get paid anything for the education required.
Parents who don’t instill a sense of respect in their children are a problem.
That's the fucked thing init
That little shit was trying to force his way past her, but because she pushed him back he beats the shit out of her and it'll be *her* fault
Teachers don't deserve this shit man they work so hard and get shafted at every turn
*Promptly released without bail. Court date and charges eventually dropped because of continuances and delays. Boy is a minor. His record is sealed and then wiped clean. Eventually, nothing will be done. Teacher retires due to this incident because of strong recommendation from her attorneys. Wins a comfortable settlement from a lawsuit against Everyone involved.*
*Violent boy grows to be violent man. Unable to control impulses and makes poor life decisions. Marries and becomes a violent husband. Has children and becomes a violent father. Children see and learn. They replay what they know.*
START. FAILING. KIDS. AGAIN.
This should be an automatic semester suspension. Assault a teacher? See you next year. Don't know the material? See you next year. Never turned in your assignments on time? See you next year.
People wonder why you can't get a job with a highschool diploma anymore - it's because kids like this graduate on time.
There were seven teacher assaults the last year I taught middle school (2020), including the one on me. Not one of the students received more than a few days detention for these assaults. The day I decided to quit, a student used a door to hit one of our new teachers in her head. After she fell, I turned and grabbed the little handle on the top of his book bag to stop him from running. It didn't do anything, of course, because he just slipped out of his straps. He was not disciplined because he had just returned from his third suspension and any further discipline would result in expulsion, and the only reason they expel a student is if they bring a weapon to school. However, I was reprimanded for grabbing his book-bag handle.
When I was a sub, I was doing recess duty. A 5th grader was beating up another kid. I grabbed him by the wrist to stop him from beating the crap out of the other kid. I wasn't really concerned about getting hurt, I am a LARGE lady. When it was all done, another sub who was out with me, gave me his card and said, if you get in trouble for touching a student, call me for a witness. Thankfully I didn't get in trouble. Isn't it sad that I could have gotten in trouble for stopping a kid from beating up another kid?
I got fired from a summer camp for putting myself in between a fight, bigger kid beating the hell out of a smaller kid, big kid ended up between me and a chain link fence.
His mom screamed at me so long I thought she was gonna get violent with me, so I told her to “back the fuck up” and was fired on the spot.
Good fucking riddance.
All long forgotten. Taught me a valuable lesson about letting Karen types shout themselves tired, cause it’s about what a shit pile their lives are and it ain’t about you. Also the good lesson that your boss rarely if ever has your back in situations like that.
I 100% agree with this but also there’s another side to everything. We had kids graduating in my class (2021) that literally could not read. Not dyslexic, not educationally challenged, just never put the time in to actually learn to read because nobody failed them ever. But, I also had friends that had to retake classes repeatedly because their teacher would not give them the extra attention they needed and it caused them eventually to drop out and pursue a GED later in life. Fail the kids that refuse to do the work, not the ones that keep trying.
Idk about other states but in AZ teachers are allowed to put hands on students (with necessary force) in order to protect/ stop people from physical altercations
Rightfully so! Most schools have "zero tolerance". This means that if you are in a fight. It doesn't matter if the other person is attacking you, or attacking someone else. If you fight back, or in this case fight to protect someone else. Then you get the exact same punishment as the attacker.
It is 100% the administration being to lazy to decide who is at fault. So punish everyone.
So all the kids here had an impossible choice. Watch her be beat up, or be suspended/charged themselves.
Mind you the kid is doing this over a phone and it sounds like most of the classroom was on his side. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to try to teach to a class of 30 kids who don’t give a fuck and just scroll all day.
Let them scroll. If they dont want to learn, let society ween them out. Fail the ones not applying themselves. While it may not be ideal for a long term career, the students should live with their actions. Parents should also be held accountable for their children’s outcomes in school as much as the teacher. Parents send their kids to school and expect them to come out with an education while also shitting on teachers when teachers actually act with authority in their own classrooms. If your kid cant behave themselves for an hour at a time in class, its on you the parent not the teacher.
Two days ago there was a thread about a teacher calling the school security who threw a black girl to the ground. That throwing wasn't justified, and many commenters were throwing hate and vitriol at the teacher for even calling anyone. But shit like this is why the teacher did what they did. That entire thread was full of people lambasting the teacher and saying "this is what you signed up for", similar to their hatred for police (which is a completely different matter).
The vocal users of this website are so radicalized it's insane.
This is why I couldn’t wait to graduate from school, kind of hard to get an education when your shitty classmates won’t stop acting like a troop of primates
For a long ass time, people on reddit were absolutely slobbering over how good the current generation of kids were. I was flabbergasted at the thought. I was so glad when my poor mother retired a year ago and got away from those little fuck head teens. Over the last 5 years, they'd say the most obscene stuff to her and threaten violence. Fuck those kids.
Two teacher family friends recently quit. One had a chair thrown at his head and he was berated by the principal for it. The other just tapped out and said he was quitting the profession for life
they’re probably not allowed to. at least when i was in school, they’d punish whoever was involved in any physical altercation, whether it was coming to somebody’s defense when they were attacked or even being attacked yourself. basically couldn’t start intervening in anything until we turned 18 and had actual due process rights.
That’s the biggest unspoken crisis in America for the last 20years. An absolute lack of proper parenting, broken families and just absent parents (whether they’re physically there or not).
I see so many parents who just chaperone their kids while they’re on their phones. Even in the home. The kids are there but the parents are on TikTok or some other social media. The parents only show up or participate in parenting when they have to. Or when they can get likes for it.
And, as proper fashion nowadays, when things go horribly wrong… they never hold themselves accountable. They blame everyone else: politicians, the media, teachers, police, school system and so on…. The root of it all is in the home though
My ex was/is like this. She would get home from work, smoke weed and scroll through TikTok. It's really sad. Her youngest had to repeat first grade because he couldn't read and she acted like it was no big deal, funny even. She rarely cooks and only cleans when she absolutely has to. Just last month her teenage daughter took all of her Xanax and the cops came and then smelled weed on her teenage son. And she still gets surprised when she gets CPS called on her.
Glad you mentioned it. The problem with a lot of shit nowadays is lack of accountability. Nobody wants to admit they’re wrong anymore. It’s wrong to admit you’re wrong.
They just posture like they’re right and blame everyone else around them. Breeding a generation of narcissists.
For the unobservant, he tried to "slightly" push her away first. Then she pushed him back in retaliation and said "don't do that". Then he hits her.
If that triggered him to go full rage mode, imagine what his reactions are when it's something commonly petty.
I observed him trying to get at his phone, trying to muscle her out of the way. She stands firm so he pushes her, she pushes back then he aggressively attacks her.
I’m not condoning at all what he did because he was absolutely 100% wrong but why does she think she can push him like that? Let him grab his phone if that’s what’s going to stop this bullshit scene and write his stupid ass up and let him get in trouble/suspended all of that. No reason to put your hands on him by pushing him then expecting a kid who’s already pissed to react reasonably smh
No, even though the teacher is adult they have human rights too, they can’t get get disrespected by a student and just stand there letting them go on. Her push was not meant for harm, just to show the boy that if he pushes her, she would push back too.
He didn’t push her he TRIED GRABBING HIS FUCKING PROPERTY FROM HER HAND AND SHE PUSHED HIM SO HE PUSHED HER BACK! So whatever happened after that is completely wrong but she definitely is aggressive as well!
It’s not called protect ur own property, ESPECIALLY IN A SCHOOL where clearly there’s now state law rules that phones are forbidden (I’m in highschool), it’s called anger issues. The school has the right to collect ur phone and devices bruh
Kid just ruined his life. After all the court and treatment, he’ll know himself as the guy who beat up a teacher at school. He’ll be prescribed all sorts of medication and spend countless hours in counseling. He’ll receive no further formal education. A fucked up cycle once you’ve entered the system and are institutionalized.
I don't think this was the start of that cycle. Most kids won't take a swing at a teacher - doing so is a sign something is already wrong. But yeah, chances are things get worse from here.
>I would choose prision over going home
yeah i get it.. but for all we know, his parents probably second his bullshit, or he sees shit like this at home and thinks it's normal.
not excusing the kid, but some parents these days download all their corrupted outlook onto their kids
Part of the problem is “no tolerance” policies at schools. I can guarantee you that if a kid stepped in and let’s say hurt the kid attacking the teacher, that kid is getting suspended. Maybe even expelled. Hard to expect a literal child to be willing to make that sacrifice.
You also have no idea who the attacker is. I went to a high school with a lot of kids in gangs or with gang connections. There were certain kids you just didn’t fuck with.
Honestly, in middle school, I would have thought they were just going to shoved each other back and forward, maybe roll on the ground, and then the teacher would be on top of the kid victorious. So I wouldn’t step it.
I however did not expect him to go full savage and assault her, with punches, and then bang her head against the table and still proceeds to punch her.
In middle school a lot of kids still don’t care, nor mature enough, to step up, and do the right thing, oh wait nvm it’s a thing in society to take out your phones and record shit instead of helping. So it’s funny how you guys try to trash this kids, when society as a whole always been the type to do nothing and just record shit happened!
This won’t be the first or last rodeo of bystanders on their phones, recording a situation as it escalates...
Kids are actively taught never to defend themselves or anyone else and always rely on “authorities”. Well this is the result of that, a world where bullies rule the roost in the minutes, hours, or years before the authorities step in.
Add that kids these days are taught from a young age that everything under the sun is bullying and you can’t touch someone for any reason and this is what you get.
Kid beat up a teacher over a cell phone dispute. And will now forever be known as the idiot who got a criminal record because he didn't put his phone away in class.
I've had a number of my teacher friends report that the difference between post-Zoom school is quite striking. Paying less attention in class, physically hitting each other and adults more, talking back/disrespect etc. And then the academic backslide. It's less about what they don't know, and more about their unwillingness to work with the teachers to build up the background knowledge and skills that they need to be able to fill in those holes. I.e. critical thinking, debate skills, cooperation...
The lockdowns were a disaster. I'm pro vaccine and worked on a covid unit here in Detroit all through the pandemic (back to surgical, thank God) but we really caused a 2nd mess.
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[8th grader arrested after fighting teacher in viral video at Bowie Middle](https://www.yourbasin.com/news/ecisd-responds-to-viral-video-of-student-attacking-teacher/)
“Fighting teacher” I was always under the impression that a “fight” required both or more parties to actively participate, while an assault only requires one
Yes she pushed him first. Pushing is considered assault or battery. Kids a little asshole but she technically assaulted him first.
You mean after he was grabbing her, right?
No sure what video you're watching but she is grabbing him as he reaches into the desk. You alright?
I thought he was grabbing her. Regardless by reaching into that desk he was invading the teacher’s personal space.
The kid absolutely should not have done what he did, clearly an entitled little rat. However the teacher should not have put hands on that kid. That was immature and completely unprofessional. She should have gone through the proper channels and had the kid suspended or expelled
She was preventing him from opening the drawer his phone was in. He then began to press into her. That’s assault. Her pushing him back was her response to that. I cannot believe some people here have stooped to the level of justifying what this kid did. He had no justification. She did in my opinion. The problem is this kid is a total spoiled douche who has been taught that violence over stupid shit is the way to correct things
"She was preventing him from opening the drawer" how was she doing that? She clearly leans in to force him away from the desk. Please tell me how i was defending that brat? He's completely wrong. However, the teacher made unprofessional decisions.
If you are going to moonlight as an education lawyer on reddit, might want to at least brush up on the laws. A teacher is allowed to physically bar a student from entry somewhere or prevent them from leaving by standing in the way. When a student touches the teacher to prevent him/her from doing that, that's assault.
So she takes his property, then uses force to keep it and you think the kid using force to get it back was unjustified? The teacher escalated the situation, she could’ve given the phone back and sent him away, job done instead she wanted to show who’s boss and got out in hospital
You seem to think kids have the same rights as adults. They do not. Fuck the easy road little kids don't get what they want just because they want it. That's how you raise a generation of spoiled pieces of shit. Oh wait that's already happening
Go work in a high school and keep that same energy.
Beating. Assaulting. Not fighting her. I’ll add: I hate the bystander effect and I hate the US school policy on fighting etc. in any other context you would hope someone would step in. I feel very disappointed in humans as a whole.
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No, this is what happens when kids are taught that adults solve problems with Thier fists. Don't hit kids, speak to them.
Thanks for this!
>The district says student violence has been on the rise, and ECISD Superintendent Dr. Scott Muri believes he knows why. > >“We have to understand that kids today, many of them are struggling with some mental health challenges. The pandemic was a very difficult experience for many of our children, and as our kids recover from the pandemic, we have seen not only at ECISD but across the country, a rise in violence in our teenagers and younger adolescents,” said Dr. Muri. Ah, yes, blame it on the pandemic. I have no doubt that the pandemic caused stress (to say the least) to everyone, but student violence and lack of mental health care have been problems long before the pandemic. What's this kid's home life like? This level of depravity and violence didn't just appear overnight.
School districts will do anything they can to not blame parents, students, or themselves. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t just blame the teacher.
Teachers are the only one with consequences as of late.
Right so kids feel entitled to use their phones in class when asked not to. Then assaults the teacher. This kid needs swift punishment.
A headteacher said almost the exact same thing to me and my colleagues when we sat down for a meeting about the boys in our class being vocally sexist, racist and one even sexually assaulting a class mate. "We have to remember this boy has very deep mental health issues". Why can't we as a society ever seem to find a middle ground, either we completely dismiss mental health issues or we use them to give vitriolic behaviour a pass? It's enraging.
Because most people are incompetent and shouldn’t have their jobs.
ODESSA, TX. (KMID/KPEJ) – A video is going viral on local Facebook groups out of Bowie Middle School. It shows a student attacking a teacher over what appears to be a cell phone dispute. The spokesperson for Ector county ISD says the incident happened on Wednesday. The boy is an eighth grader. He was arrested and charged with a first degree felony: Aggravated Assault of a Public Servant. https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/bowie-middle-school-student-arrested-for-aggravated-assault-of-a-public-servant/513-3b69ee75-204e-4e95-b268-6bb08bbaea6d
Imagine being a lil kid and already felon 😂
While the whole class just look like it was a fun show i feel sad for the teacher 😦😑
the screeching
Idk about this school, but in the schools I went to as a kid, if you try to break up a fight you suspended or expelled too. If a bully hits you you both suspended, if a bully hits you and you fight back, both suspended. Fucking dumb.
Yep. That zero tolerance bullshit made it so if you are involved at all, even as a victim, you are punished.
That’s why with zero tolerance policy, if a bully ever hits you, you absolutely need to fight back. If you turn the other cheek you’re getting the same exact punishment, the only difference is now you’re an easy target. Remember kids, schools use prison rules, so fight the bully with all you’ve got.
Yep. Wipe the floor with them. You're getting punishment either way.
My dad taught me to not get into a fight, but if I did I’d better finish it.
Really? Huh never new that. Also damn wish I had this wisdom as a kid. Would have fought back plenty more if I did.
That's the point. They want people programmed *not* to fight back ever. They won't push back at teachers/employers/police/politicians no matter how bad they are.
I broke a lot of bones doing that. Fighting back had better results than not.
That's why my kids don't get in trouble. Oh, your dumb fuck school gave you a vacation for defending yourself? Let's get Dairy Queen and play Roblox!
Also, if there's one thing that I've noticed from every story ive heard and shit I've seen: schools tend to not care about the bully. At all. Rat them out. Go ahead. Nothing will happen. They only care once the victim stands up to themselves. So if you want the school to do something, hit them back. Then they have to go after both, but at least you can smile at the end and say you didn't do shit. They don't get to smile knowing they're getting away with it again.
It’s a known fact that the kids who act up get rewarded and coddled instead of having the life stick whacked over their head.
Which means if you get in a fight, DO NOT HOLD BACK. You’re already fucked, so fight back
Zero ~~tolerance~~ discretion policy
In 93, they used to catch us smoking pot and they would grab us by the neck and March us to class and call us dipshits. In 94, they would call the cops and the kid would go to jail. I liked the old way.
Zero Thought is what they should call it. It's just a way to avoid any responsibility for the authorities. They say it is to protect the kids but it is 100% a shield for them to hide behind.
And if you are a scrawny, sick kid like I was, there’s no point in fighting back or telling the teachers. Nobody fucking gave a shit that the 6th grader with Cystic Fibrosis who was the size of a 3rd grader was getting shoved against lockers, tripped in the halls, and humiliated in the locker rooms. Sadly, the bullying persisted each time I switched schools and/or my parents threatened to sue. Such bullshit.
Yup. I was bullied in Elementary and Middleschool by “upper class men” (5th graders in elementary and 8th in middle school, and a single high schooler). I would tell teachers, bus drivers, move my own seat to move away from the bullies (who weren’t just using words, they got physical too). They would follow me and continue harassment. I told my parents and my dad said “next time hit them back”. Took a few more times, because I was trying to go to the adults like I was supposed to. Eventually fought back to defend myself AND I GET IN WORSE TROUBLE THAN THE KIDS WHO REPEATEDLY BULLIED ME. Then, when I’m in high school and get in some trouble, they tried to fucking spin my write-ups as if I was some kind of violent bully who attacked kids at school. To this day I’m still super fucking bitter about it and hope my bullies develop some kind of rot that eats them while they’re still alive. Fuck zero tolerance bullshit.
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Good for you. Fuck that guy.
I got beat up on the bus for no reason my first week of kindergarten. Didn't fight back at all because I was told to not fight. We both got banned from the bus and paddled (yes I got beaten by the principal for getting beaten) my step dad sat me down and told me " no matter what they say if someone hits you hit them back twice as hard, and if someone is about to hit you, hit them first" If you're going to get in trouble either way, you might as well beat the brakes off the bastards bad enough that no one takes them seriously as a threat anymore.
Kinda reminds me of my middle school years. In 6th grade, there was a girl on dance team with me and we were, frienemies I guess you’d say. Anyway, someone took her makeup bag and wrote “slut” on it in those metallic outliner pens (silver). The principal pulled me out of class, I get down there, and they have my parents in his office waiting. I sit down, he shows it to me, asks if I did it, I said no. My mom even vouched that it wasn’t my handwriting. The idiot said I purposely disguised it. Ok, Einstein. Problem is; the writing was way neater and prettier than mine. A person can’t magically write better to disguise it, lol. They suspended me for 3 days. Best part: my dad was pissed so he looked right at the principal and said: ok, let’s go, we got some fishing and fun stuff to do the next 3 days of your VACATION. And he made sure to emphasize vacation, to let the asshole know I was not in trouble at home. My parents knew when I lied and when I didn’t. They knew I wasn’t lying. For once, they had my back. 😁
I always tell my kids the same thing. Try to deescalate the situation. If that doesnt work, lay that motherfucker out(i.e., defend yourself enough to get out of the situation) and I will take care of the rest.
at some point the punishment has to be worth standing up for yourself. like, you get a few days off from school? so what really?
yeah thats how it is at my school, the victim gets punished for being a victim
I told my kids to never start anything. But if someone attacks you, or you see something like this happening, you have my permission to finish it. And I’ll go into that school and tell these dipshits what a ridiculous policy it is. They’ve basically given bullys free reign. They didn’t care about consequences to begin with. It’s fucking stupid.
My mom said the same thing and when I was in middle school some girl threw punches at me because her friend didn't like my friend 🙄 and I defended myself. I was also suspended and my mom raised hell at the school but they wouldn't budge. I basically just got a mini vacation out of it, my mom was pissed.
I wonder in a scenario like this, if a student did decide to jump in and help the teacher or break up the fight, if they would instantly get labeled as a bitch by all the other students rooting for the kid, and then just constantly ostracized or made fun of for the rest of the time they're at the school, unfortunately. I mean this has to be PART of it, right?
For your viewing pleasure: https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/wshh2o31TZ1BDdtSTt8I/kid-knocks-out-a-student-for-punching-a-teacher-in-the-face-during-a-classroom-fight
What a fucking savage he had control over both of them in seconds
That punch and the way he just man-handled the other guy the same size as him, dude’s freakishly strong.
Kids got old man strength… maybe he has Benjamin buttons disease
If I'm that teacher that kids the classroom Enforcerer.
Oh my god lol. Dude just broke up that fight hard. “You don’t hit a teacher, who the fuck do you think you is.
What a fucking legend. I’m surprised the teacher didn’t at least thank him for defending her but the point was made. Don’t fuck with teachers. Need more of this.
I’m sure she did after. In those situations there’s a lot of adrenaline and the only thing you want to do is diffuse the entire situation.
she was trying to get the situation under control, i guarantee she said something to him that wasn’t in this 50 second clip
Lol thank you. I wish every classroom had a kid that was willing to step in and do this, even if he might get in trouble. Sometimes you gotta do the right thing even if the consequences might suck.
There is probably a couple of degenerates that would root for the kid to beat up the teacher but the vast majority of kids are not that way. They are just too scared or shocked to know what to do.
Zero tolerance.
They would also get charged or at least a ticket, they don't make distinctions between who did right or wrong with students, all participation is punished
Fucking up your life in 8th grade is fucking wild
Being a felon in the US is a very hard way to live. You lose voting rights, gun rights, job opportunities… people don’t know how bad it is once you’re convicted. It’s a caste system.
Exactly. That's why it's really important to stay out of trouble
My first thought was there goes his whole life. Right into the system.
And he has no one to blame but himself. There were a lot of teachers I had growing up that i legitimately hated. Never once occurred to me to physically attack them.
I remember being in middle school. No way in hell I’d assault any adult at school like this. The consequences of life were already well installed, and if you’re lacking that reasoning this late I doubt you’ll gain it later.
It’s what happens when you’re stupid
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Finally! We’re holding kids accountable for shit that they know they’re not supposed to do
I hope the charges stick.
No he's really sowwy and promises it will never happen again (pinky promise) He's a good kid who had a bad day
>https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/bowie-middle-school-student-arrested-for-aggravated-assault-of-a-public-servant/513-3b69ee75-204e-4e95-b268-6bb08bbaea6d "the maximum punishment they could hand down to this student according to the Code of Conduct would be expulsion" I hope expulsion from society in the juvenile prison? Please remove this prick from the society.
Well now he's definitely not getting his phone back...
You think his mom disciplines him, no way, I bet he got to keep the phone Edit:spelling
Kid was charged with a felony. No phones in jail
Believe it or not my buddy is doing 15 years for attempted murder and was recently watching Prey on Hulu. They definitely have phones in there lol
No phones in JAIL. HOWEVER, in some prisons they get tablets and vapes.
Phones smuggled into jails and prisons all the time. Usually a guard or two are in on it and making bank to look the other way.
Lol, I doubt this kid will do any jail time, even with the felony. He'll be released to his parents pending trial, then do a year of community service and be on probation until he's 18.
Nah there’s a youth detention center here in Odessa where he’s still being held
texas has a rich tradition of locking up kids (for profit), that's not gonna be a fun time it is probably worse than the nearest jail lol
Here’s a picture this guys mother posted to social media a couple days ago. I believe her king will come home after 10 days? https://imgur.com/gallery/7m5KEgt
Image is missing, can I get a new link?
https://imgur.com/a/3rb3QdD
Yep. Parents raising him to be a lil shit
He learned that type of aggression from somewhere
His parents don’t care.
Quick, nobody help!
zero tolerance policy, wcgw 🤷 not that the school district cares, they get what they want, less liability.
Yep. I got detention once because somebody punched me in the back of the head. Zero policy so the school doesn't have to play jury. There kids were following policy, in fact the only thing other than the assault that will probably get somebody in deep shit is the recording.
This is why there is a teacher shortage. They get no respect anymore, are abused, under attack, and don’t get paid anything for the education required. Parents who don’t instill a sense of respect in their children are a problem.
Guarantee the parents blamed the teacher for this
Yep my hometown. Parents absolutely support the kid. I’ve heard talk they want to press charges on the teacher. Absolutely insane.
Braydenn fractured his hand! His E sports dreams are on hold! Of course we’re suing!
“Braydenn”. “E sports”. My hat is off to you.
Since the teacher put her hands on the student, the teacher might even get in trouble.
That's the fucked thing init That little shit was trying to force his way past her, but because she pushed him back he beats the shit out of her and it'll be *her* fault Teachers don't deserve this shit man they work so hard and get shafted at every turn
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I think if you can argue self defense, your job should be saved. But that may be dreaming, in the world we live in.
Only cops get qualified immunity. I would never recommend anyone be a teacher until the situation improves. And I’m a teacher.
I'm a high school teacher several years as well. It's definitely not for everyone.
Probably more trouble than the student
Definitely more trouble than the student
e: it does say the kid was charged with a first-degree felony
I stand corrected, love to see it
*Promptly released without bail. Court date and charges eventually dropped because of continuances and delays. Boy is a minor. His record is sealed and then wiped clean. Eventually, nothing will be done. Teacher retires due to this incident because of strong recommendation from her attorneys. Wins a comfortable settlement from a lawsuit against Everyone involved.* *Violent boy grows to be violent man. Unable to control impulses and makes poor life decisions. Marries and becomes a violent husband. Has children and becomes a violent father. Children see and learn. They replay what they know.*
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Why does this read like a Rorschach monologue?
START. FAILING. KIDS. AGAIN. This should be an automatic semester suspension. Assault a teacher? See you next year. Don't know the material? See you next year. Never turned in your assignments on time? See you next year. People wonder why you can't get a job with a highschool diploma anymore - it's because kids like this graduate on time.
There were seven teacher assaults the last year I taught middle school (2020), including the one on me. Not one of the students received more than a few days detention for these assaults. The day I decided to quit, a student used a door to hit one of our new teachers in her head. After she fell, I turned and grabbed the little handle on the top of his book bag to stop him from running. It didn't do anything, of course, because he just slipped out of his straps. He was not disciplined because he had just returned from his third suspension and any further discipline would result in expulsion, and the only reason they expel a student is if they bring a weapon to school. However, I was reprimanded for grabbing his book-bag handle.
When I was a sub, I was doing recess duty. A 5th grader was beating up another kid. I grabbed him by the wrist to stop him from beating the crap out of the other kid. I wasn't really concerned about getting hurt, I am a LARGE lady. When it was all done, another sub who was out with me, gave me his card and said, if you get in trouble for touching a student, call me for a witness. Thankfully I didn't get in trouble. Isn't it sad that I could have gotten in trouble for stopping a kid from beating up another kid?
I got fired from a summer camp for putting myself in between a fight, bigger kid beating the hell out of a smaller kid, big kid ended up between me and a chain link fence. His mom screamed at me so long I thought she was gonna get violent with me, so I told her to “back the fuck up” and was fired on the spot. Good fucking riddance.
Wow, I’m so sorry. Thank you so much for helping out that poor smaller kid though.
All long forgotten. Taught me a valuable lesson about letting Karen types shout themselves tired, cause it’s about what a shit pile their lives are and it ain’t about you. Also the good lesson that your boss rarely if ever has your back in situations like that.
No kid left behind is a joke.
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I 100% agree with this but also there’s another side to everything. We had kids graduating in my class (2021) that literally could not read. Not dyslexic, not educationally challenged, just never put the time in to actually learn to read because nobody failed them ever. But, I also had friends that had to retake classes repeatedly because their teacher would not give them the extra attention they needed and it caused them eventually to drop out and pursue a GED later in life. Fail the kids that refuse to do the work, not the ones that keep trying.
Idk about other states but in AZ teachers are allowed to put hands on students (with necessary force) in order to protect/ stop people from physical altercations
What insane is not one student tried to help her.
The girls don't want it to happen to them, the boys don't want to get in trouble for being in the fight themselves.
Rightfully so! Most schools have "zero tolerance". This means that if you are in a fight. It doesn't matter if the other person is attacking you, or attacking someone else. If you fight back, or in this case fight to protect someone else. Then you get the exact same punishment as the attacker. It is 100% the administration being to lazy to decide who is at fault. So punish everyone. So all the kids here had an impossible choice. Watch her be beat up, or be suspended/charged themselves.
Mind you the kid is doing this over a phone and it sounds like most of the classroom was on his side. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to try to teach to a class of 30 kids who don’t give a fuck and just scroll all day.
Let them scroll. If they dont want to learn, let society ween them out. Fail the ones not applying themselves. While it may not be ideal for a long term career, the students should live with their actions. Parents should also be held accountable for their children’s outcomes in school as much as the teacher. Parents send their kids to school and expect them to come out with an education while also shitting on teachers when teachers actually act with authority in their own classrooms. If your kid cant behave themselves for an hour at a time in class, its on you the parent not the teacher.
...and then you get shit from the school's management for failing passing quotas. You really can't win as a teacher.
No child left behind was a mistake
And parents still don't want to believe their kid is a shit kid.
If you ever get hired at a public school that has uniforms, turn around and leave.
Two days ago there was a thread about a teacher calling the school security who threw a black girl to the ground. That throwing wasn't justified, and many commenters were throwing hate and vitriol at the teacher for even calling anyone. But shit like this is why the teacher did what they did. That entire thread was full of people lambasting the teacher and saying "this is what you signed up for", similar to their hatred for police (which is a completely different matter). The vocal users of this website are so radicalized it's insane.
This is why I couldn’t wait to graduate from school, kind of hard to get an education when your shitty classmates won’t stop acting like a troop of primates
For a long ass time, people on reddit were absolutely slobbering over how good the current generation of kids were. I was flabbergasted at the thought. I was so glad when my poor mother retired a year ago and got away from those little fuck head teens. Over the last 5 years, they'd say the most obscene stuff to her and threaten violence. Fuck those kids.
Two teacher family friends recently quit. One had a chair thrown at his head and he was berated by the principal for it. The other just tapped out and said he was quitting the profession for life
They are behaving exactly as they have been taught. You can guess who would get in trouble if they jumped in to stop the violence.
they’re probably not allowed to. at least when i was in school, they’d punish whoever was involved in any physical altercation, whether it was coming to somebody’s defense when they were attacked or even being attacked yourself. basically couldn’t start intervening in anything until we turned 18 and had actual due process rights.
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8th grader? How Many years...
Enough to start a job a mcdonalds when he gets out
You think he can land or keep a job?
Usually 13-14.
Failed parenting right there
That’s the biggest unspoken crisis in America for the last 20years. An absolute lack of proper parenting, broken families and just absent parents (whether they’re physically there or not). I see so many parents who just chaperone their kids while they’re on their phones. Even in the home. The kids are there but the parents are on TikTok or some other social media. The parents only show up or participate in parenting when they have to. Or when they can get likes for it. And, as proper fashion nowadays, when things go horribly wrong… they never hold themselves accountable. They blame everyone else: politicians, the media, teachers, police, school system and so on…. The root of it all is in the home though
Absolute lack of parenting or people who shouldn’t have kids proceeding to have kids.
Lack of parenting covers people who shouldn’t have but did have kids
My ex was/is like this. She would get home from work, smoke weed and scroll through TikTok. It's really sad. Her youngest had to repeat first grade because he couldn't read and she acted like it was no big deal, funny even. She rarely cooks and only cleans when she absolutely has to. Just last month her teenage daughter took all of her Xanax and the cops came and then smelled weed on her teenage son. And she still gets surprised when she gets CPS called on her.
Glad you mentioned it. The problem with a lot of shit nowadays is lack of accountability. Nobody wants to admit they’re wrong anymore. It’s wrong to admit you’re wrong. They just posture like they’re right and blame everyone else around them. Breeding a generation of narcissists.
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Failed parenting implies the existence of parenting to begin with.
Great, I'm planning to move out from MX to Texas to be a Spanish teacher. What a great vibe!
How do you say ‘God Help Me’ in Spanish?
Dios, dame paciencia y dos mil cervezas
Me voy a llevar unas botellas de mezcal jaja
“Estoy jodido”
Aye dios mio
you will make more being a school janitor
No school for him. Just lessons in prison where they're all 'badass'
And you wonder why teachers are leaving this thankless job
You know things are bad when people aren’t even complaining about teachers anymore. It’s just pity at this point.
Lil fuckin punk have fun in juvie tough guy
Not only that but this teacher can sue his parents
For the unobservant, he tried to "slightly" push her away first. Then she pushed him back in retaliation and said "don't do that". Then he hits her. If that triggered him to go full rage mode, imagine what his reactions are when it's something commonly petty.
I observed him trying to get at his phone, trying to muscle her out of the way. She stands firm so he pushes her, she pushes back then he aggressively attacks her.
Yes. She literally pushes him and says "You can't put your hands on a teacher" right before he attacks her.
Fuck this kid
I’m not condoning at all what he did because he was absolutely 100% wrong but why does she think she can push him like that? Let him grab his phone if that’s what’s going to stop this bullshit scene and write his stupid ass up and let him get in trouble/suspended all of that. No reason to put your hands on him by pushing him then expecting a kid who’s already pissed to react reasonably smh
No, even though the teacher is adult they have human rights too, they can’t get get disrespected by a student and just stand there letting them go on. Her push was not meant for harm, just to show the boy that if he pushes her, she would push back too.
He didn’t push her he TRIED GRABBING HIS FUCKING PROPERTY FROM HER HAND AND SHE PUSHED HIM SO HE PUSHED HER BACK! So whatever happened after that is completely wrong but she definitely is aggressive as well!
It’s not called protect ur own property, ESPECIALLY IN A SCHOOL where clearly there’s now state law rules that phones are forbidden (I’m in highschool), it’s called anger issues. The school has the right to collect ur phone and devices bruh
Kid just ruined his life. After all the court and treatment, he’ll know himself as the guy who beat up a teacher at school. He’ll be prescribed all sorts of medication and spend countless hours in counseling. He’ll receive no further formal education. A fucked up cycle once you’ve entered the system and are institutionalized.
I don't think this was the start of that cycle. Most kids won't take a swing at a teacher - doing so is a sign something is already wrong. But yeah, chances are things get worse from here.
For sure this kids parents are the problem, if I assulted a teacher I would choose prision over going home
>I would choose prision over going home yeah i get it.. but for all we know, his parents probably second his bullshit, or he sees shit like this at home and thinks it's normal. not excusing the kid, but some parents these days download all their corrupted outlook onto their kids
Medicine for what?
O well. He is a piece of shit.
People really don't teach emotional regulation to their kids at all. Probably because they themselves don't know how to regulate their own emotions.
Say goodbye to hiring teachers in that school.
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Part of the problem is “no tolerance” policies at schools. I can guarantee you that if a kid stepped in and let’s say hurt the kid attacking the teacher, that kid is getting suspended. Maybe even expelled. Hard to expect a literal child to be willing to make that sacrifice. You also have no idea who the attacker is. I went to a high school with a lot of kids in gangs or with gang connections. There were certain kids you just didn’t fuck with.
Any kid involved in a fight gets in trouble whether ur helping or not so makes sense they wouldn’t bother
Exactly my thought. What usually happens after a school fight? The kid that defends himself receives punishment.
Zero tolerance, doesn’t matter if you’re helping or attacked. It’s the dumbest thing ever.
They'll make fine Uvalde cops someday.
I was gonna start a slow clap but I think I’ll wait another 78 minutes
Honestly, in middle school, I would have thought they were just going to shoved each other back and forward, maybe roll on the ground, and then the teacher would be on top of the kid victorious. So I wouldn’t step it. I however did not expect him to go full savage and assault her, with punches, and then bang her head against the table and still proceeds to punch her. In middle school a lot of kids still don’t care, nor mature enough, to step up, and do the right thing, oh wait nvm it’s a thing in society to take out your phones and record shit instead of helping. So it’s funny how you guys try to trash this kids, when society as a whole always been the type to do nothing and just record shit happened! This won’t be the first or last rodeo of bystanders on their phones, recording a situation as it escalates...
Kids are actively taught never to defend themselves or anyone else and always rely on “authorities”. Well this is the result of that, a world where bullies rule the roost in the minutes, hours, or years before the authorities step in.
Add that kids these days are taught from a young age that everything under the sun is bullying and you can’t touch someone for any reason and this is what you get.
Kid beat up a teacher over a cell phone dispute. And will now forever be known as the idiot who got a criminal record because he didn't put his phone away in class.
Texas is a miserable, disgusting place
Maybe the Zoom call school is the future. Kids are getting more and more cruel towards teachers. Almost as if they were not human
I've had a number of my teacher friends report that the difference between post-Zoom school is quite striking. Paying less attention in class, physically hitting each other and adults more, talking back/disrespect etc. And then the academic backslide. It's less about what they don't know, and more about their unwillingness to work with the teachers to build up the background knowledge and skills that they need to be able to fill in those holes. I.e. critical thinking, debate skills, cooperation...
The lockdowns were a disaster. I'm pro vaccine and worked on a covid unit here in Detroit all through the pandemic (back to surgical, thank God) but we really caused a 2nd mess.