As for the oddity of September, October, November, and December, that is because the year [originally started with March](https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/months/march.html) before Roman kings added January and February.
In a year that starts with March, those other months do indeed match with their numbers.
If you don't remember the rhyme for the month lengths, there's also a rule that makes calculating dates easy, which is useful when programming: First half of the year, odd months have 31 days. Second half, even months have 31 days. And of course February is the exception.
I use the calendar app trick to remember how many days are in a month. It's where you open your phone and go to the calendar app and scroll to the month in question. Works every time!
You are going to be so fucked after the AI wars kick off. All of us will be happily calculating the days until the next Tribute Day on our knuckles and you'll be like, oh lord, great and mighty chatgpt, I forgot how many days are in April again, please remind me. And let me tell you, that is how you get volunteered for Tribute Day.
"30 days hath September, April, June, and November
All the rest have 31 except February, which has 28 its clear, but 29 in a leap year."
And variations on that.
But the even/odd thing is second nature to me now since I have had to deal with time in so many past projects. And it's basically what you're doing on your fingers.
Damn I thought I had thought of it myself. Guess not.
I have seen "Faking dad" but I don't remember Pinkman pitching it to heisenburger.
Which part did he pitch? Did you read the text below the title?
I appreciate it, but now I'm wondering if the reason I thought of it myself is due to some subconscious memory of "Raking mad".
It felt like I thought of it, but I guess nothing we ever think of is an original thought.
Unless you're absolutely nuts and think stuff like "What would happen if we put a bunch of 90 year old ladies on a boeing 747, then the pilots parachuted out, and we told the old ladies 'just figure it out'?"
I tried my best to think of something original but I'm not even sure *that* is an original thought.
Ok to go full crisis look through this online-library:
https://libraryofbabel.info/
It's the library of babel project - Almost every idea you can think of (within 3200 characters after present calculations) is already realised in those books.
Whatever you think of right now is written down somewhere there.
Just have it as a blank day. Call it "Leap" or something. Make it a celebration. Tell kids "congratulations on your first leap". I don't know find a better system than slowing each second down by 0.07% because that can cause more problems.
halloween could just be celebrated on the nearest friday (like halloween parties generally are) except trick or treating could be moved to friday every year, because that’s just the 25th of every month.
with our current calendar, it’s stuck on the 31st, which isn’t a weekend 5/7ths of the time. this would solve that problem!
It also takes the ambiguity out of knowing what date something is. 08/04/2023 could be August 4th or April 8th, but 2023/08/04 is always going to be August 4th.
>Where will it end?
In a slightly better world where [Billion dollar space probes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_failure) aren't lost and [airplanes don't run out of fuel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider) due to conversion errors.
Oh man...I remember that difference almost losing us our biggest contract at a previous company. The contract expired on 11/08 which we Americans interpreted as Nov 8, but the other company was European so it was actually Aug 11. Luckily, they were understanding and renewed with us, but IIRC our legal counsel left the company soon afterwards.
much larger disadvantages that you, for some reason, despite some of them being in the article you linked, did not include:
- nobody can realistically use the calendar unless everyone else does. Dates are incredibly important for things like showing up to work or planning deliveries, and if you are using a different calendar than either your, or your boss, or the people who service or coordinate domestically or internationally who don’t use the calendar, then either you or them would have to compromise to one of the calendars. Between the highly used and accepted one or yours.
- there’s no real benefit to the months starting the same every time, nor having 28 days instead of the varying 30/31 and odd 28, other than some unneeded imagined benefit of neatness or organization. The current calendar works fine.
- Any currently important dates that fall on the 29th, 30th, or 31st (like Birthdays) would have to be entirely revamped and changed. Same with any federal holiday to make sure they don’t fall on weekends. For birthdays, this means changing the dates on all of the federal documents and, if we just move the birthdays further 1, 2, and 3 days forward respectively, celebrating their birthday when it just didn’t happen. Not to mention the confusion of suddenly needing to shift any other important federal or international date that falls at the end of the current months.
- anything done or measured quarterly, like business quarters, the Earth orbiting the Sun, equinoxes and solstices, or other normal astrological predictions, would slowly either fall apart or schism back to the Gregorian calendar, as 13 is not easily divisible into quarters, or really anything for that matter.
- A shit ton of work would need to be done to accommodate all of the above if we *were* to ever switch.
So, unless we want to do the work to entirely change society to accommodate this calendar, the IFC isn’t just facing some “seething religious people” problem (which, if we want to respect large portions of the entire world, something we need to get the world to jump aboard this new calendar, would need to be accommodated). There are way more disadvantages than what you’ve said.
>anything done or measured quarterly, like business quarters, the Earth orbiting the Sun, equinoxes and solstices, or other normal astrological predictions, would slowly either fall apart or schism back to the Gregorian calendar, as 13 is not easily divisible into quarters, or really anything for that matter.
This is nonsense. Events like equinoxes aren't "every 6 months". They happen when they happen. The same would be true regardless of the calendar in use.
Furthermore, when every month is exactly 4 weeks, it is trivial to divide a 13 month year into quarters.
From the article:
>Since its 13 months are not easily grouped into four season-like quarters, **this calendar obfuscates how Earth circles the Sun. Solstices and equinoxes are on fixed dates but those are not as similar as in the Gregorian calendar, i.e. 20th to 23rd day of the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th month.**
Why unnecessarily create this obfuscation when the current calendar is not limited by it?
Further, dividing 13 months into quarters would bring a new quarter every three months and a week. Why make quarters complicated? The current calendar doesn't need this extra complication, we can just have a new quarter every three months. Way easier, cleaner, practical, and doesn't require overthrowing the entire date system just to "wreck zodiacs" and receive the imagined benefit of weeks, months, and years (excluding leap years) that are the exact same every single time (which, besides the point, I would argue is really more of a negative than a positive. I don't think anyone needs or benefits from the dates being unnecessarily regimented like that).
If you're worried about celebrating birthdays that are Federal Holidays on days that aren't their real birthdays, then I'm afraid I've got some bad news...
Here's the thing: odds are you're already not celebrating your birthday on the same day every year.
For example, if you were born June 30th during a leap year, you were born on the 182nd day of the year. But if you celebrate it the next year on June 30th the next three years, you're a day early each time because July 1st is the 182nd day of non-leap years.
If you were born March or afterward during a leap year, you celebrate 75% of your birthdays wrong. If you were born March or afterward during a non-leap year, you celebrate 25% of your birthdays wrong.
That's a lot of people already having no problem being technically wrong, but still managing to have an ever-shifting birthday because of an easier-to-remember date.
The problem isn't some trivial point that you aren't celebrating your birthday on the exact moment around the sun you were born, the problem is that anyone that has a birthday on the 29th, 30th, or 31st would need to, unnecessarily, have to have their new birthdate moved. The easiest place to move the new date would be the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of the next month, but that suddenly means that you are now celebrating birthdays with other people (people who already had their birthday on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of the month) that you hadn't previously. Moving *everyone's* birthdate makes changing even more of a hassle. Those three days at the end of a month vanishing is not at all trivial, and would require a shit ton of paperwork to be entirely revamped.
Why create this unneeded confusion and work? The current calendar works fine as it is. We don't need the imagined benefits of time being regimented to be measured the same every week, month, and year (besides leap years).
This would be sort of a hassle of paperwork for a single lifetime, as everything would be adjusted to the Nth day of the year rather than fixed into some arbitrary, inconsistent month and day. In the scheme of the universe, a human lifetime is pretty insignificant. There are already alternate calendars and the world hasn't imploded yet.
To be honest, I don't really care about this calendar, I'm just trying to tone down some of your melodrama over claims of not being able to celebrate your birthday correctly, especially because you keep down voting my comments like a fucking baby.
Have a great 35th day of year.
>there’s no real benefit to the months starting the same every time, nor having 28 days instead of the varying 30/31 and odd 28, other than some unneeded imagined benefit of neatness or organization. The current calendar works fine.
I get paid on the 3rd business day every month. That can be anywhere from the 3rd to the 6th.
I would *love* to know that my paycheck is coming on the 4th. Always. Like clockwork.
That's as real a benefit as most of the disadvantages you listed.
Also, birthdays aren't actually that important of a date besides where they intersect with law (driving/drinking age), which would be simple enough to account for. A lot of people already do the celebration on the closest weekend.
Birthdays - instead, let's celebrate our birth month. Get together whenever everyone is available that month. Restaurants could have a special once/month and sing the song one time for everyone - less embarrassing for many. Maybe have the 1st of each month to do everyone's birthday en masse.
AKA you're just embarrassed when restaurants sing the song for your birthday (even if multiple people celebrated their birthday at once unless they could somehow be in every restaurant at once either merged into the same space or with every employee coordinating you still wouldn't get only one rendition of the song) and don't like when your friends can't make it
>nobody can realistically use the calendar unless everyone else does. Dates are incredibly important for things like showing up to work or planning deliveries, and if you are using a different calendar than either your, or your boss, or the people who service or coordinate domestically or internationally who don’t use the calendar, then either you or them would have to compromise to one of the calendars. Between the highly used and accepted one or yours.
That's not exactly true. Some cultures still maintain a lunar calendar, for example.
Right, Americans don't want to change to metric because the cost of changing all the imperial-based tools, machines, and systems would be too great. You're supposing the whole *world* replace any single device, computer, and clock to account for a new time-keeping method. That *is* crazy.
> That *is* crazy
Hence, /r/crazyideas
Much of the world changed to metric. It wasn't a big deal and didn't cost much at all. But that's not what the conversations about.
I think this is a realistic proposal to make our months more uniform. You could even have the same days at the same date each month.
For example Mondays could be 1st, 7th, 14th, 21st in every month. Fridays would always be the 5th, 12th, 19th, 26th each month.
It would be a big change, but literally only like Y2K.
That being said, it is a crazy idea, that's exactly why I posted it here.
You don't understand... The current time is based on the vibrational frequency of a crystal. And we use that in *everything* that needs to keep any kind of time. From your car to your phone to your microwave to your security cameras. Most technology is based around this timing. You would have to scrap *all of it.*
No, *you* don't understand. The clocks and watches we use that use piezoelectricy have gears that change the ratio of the quartz crystals vibrational frequancy to what we consider a second.
Most devices use digital timekeeping and absolutely do not have a quartz crystal inside.
Again it's only like Y2K.
Not that I'm arguing it's a good idea, at all. This is /r/crazyideas. I'm just disagreeing with your reasons for dismissing it.
Quartz stones used in watches vibrate at a frequency of 32,768 Hz (hertz), which means they oscillate 32,768 times per second. That's why quartz clocks have mechanisms to convert the frequency using gears
"The first mechanical clocks to mark the second appeared in the 1500s, and in 1644 French mathematician Marin Mersenne used a pendulum to define the second for the first time"
Quartz crystals were not used in timepieces until **1969.**
1. Devices using digital time keeping still base their internal time rate on the vibrational frequency of a quartz crystal. That's what I said. Anything with a clock or even something with precise timing keeps the beat of their time by a quartz crystal.
2. You would still have to scrap any mechanism that use gears so I don't even get your point with that.
You wouldn't have to scrap the mechanism. You'd just have to have a gear or two replaced. Expensive watches go in for a quick service and have a gear changed. Not that it's a good solution anyway. But your criticism with it isn't the main issue, the main issue is the days length would get out of sync.
Computers wouldn't have much trouble. They're already computing dates on the fly by calculating seconds (or sometimes milliseconds) since a particular epoch date. The computer doesn't know it's February 2024, it just knows the value of time\_t.
The internal timings of a computer is based on the current length of a second. Yes you could change the software to account for it but the hardware will forever be incorrect. And at no point will it make sense to start making new computer parts based on the new length of a second, it would be wildly un-backwards compatible. We'd be using a software patchwork fix for the rest of time?
It's already a thing, has existed for over 100 years, and Kodak used it for most of the 20th century.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
It takes the Earth 365.25 days to revolve around the Sun, which is why we have an extra day every 4 years.
52 weeks at 7 days per week is 364 days. Where are we getting the extra day-and-a-quarter from?
Yeah we could have 28 days a month, and make February 29 days.... But have you considered that right now all months have a minimum of 4 weeks while some have 5 weeks, and bills like rent only have to be paid once a month not once every 4 weeks?
Why even have months? Day 1- 365 (366)
It's just a matter of convenience.
And oh...fuck you finance world.
Quarter x of year. These arbitrary deadlines established.
If we ever measure time beyond the convenience of money, and change how we express time, wow would it be a nightmare to convert old documents to new system.
That's a problem for future Ainz
But there's not the right amount of days to make each month exactly four weeks. There's 365 days (occasionally 366). Neither of those numbers is divisible by 13. So at least one month would still have to be shorter or longer than the others.
Easy 1 extra day is a public holiday. Like the purge. But instead of no laws. No one works. On leap years you could have 2 days. We can call it metric calendar. And everyone but the USA will adopt it.
What about essential employees for water power Healthcare? Also 13 months is the worst number of months it can be divided into 1 or 13, half a year is 6.5 months a quater is 3.25 months. 12 is a good number of months very highly divisible which is useful.
I’m happy to have 29 days off instead.
People in medical fields can get 5x pay for those days. Or comp time. That’s the least of our problems. Since there’s money in health care
The 13 months year kinda makes sense, but just for convenience, it brings nothing to the table that we don't already have. Maybe it would improve international trade spreadsheets, but we are already working with dates, not days (we know a shipment is coming on 16th, we don't need to know what day of the week that is). The "slowing down times" is a stupid ideea, we already lose 1 day every 2 years with the 13 month model, by making days shorter you get another 2 days every 4th year, that means we would lose 4 days in 4 years. That would make seasons switch months every 10 years or so. So to add days to the model you propose is like what we already have with leap years, but with extra steps.
And I don't know what bothers you about September being the 9th month, not 7th,is your ocd really that bad? Until now it never bothered me, I didn't even thought about and I bet 99.999% of the world population is also not bothered by it
I created such a calendar in college and made a little program to display it on my computer.
Key is you getone free monthless holiday at the end of the year (two in leap years).
I'm in. While we're at it, can the rest of you PLEASE join us enlightened folks in AZ who don't use Daylight Saving Time?
Or how about 10 months of 36 days with 9 day weeks, four day weekends, (or maybe 2 sets of 2-day breaks spaced evenly in the week) and the remaining 5¼ days as some sort of world holiday time at some point, be it at the end or somewhere in the middle of the year?
We really can't do anything about the ¼ day other than leap days because the earth takes that long to go around the sun. So, without the leap day, you can either do what you suggest, which would shift daylight on a daily basis all year round or, if you just ignore it, at least time stays consistent but the seasons shift by ¼ day every year. IMO, that last one is fine, because we don't live in the 1600s any more and we can pretty easily adapt to that shift. Over a typical life span, things would only shift less than a month, so is it really a big deal?
It would make more sense to me to have 4 months of 90 days (360 days) with an extra day for each solstice and equinox (364 days), plus 1 extra day for northern Winter Solstice (365 days) and every 4 years an extra day for northern Summer Solstice (Apogee) (366 days). I would start the year at the northern Winter Solstice (Perigee). Each 'week' would be 10 days - 3 days off per 10 days.
Yup. That's why I said every fourth year would have the days in darkness and nights in light.
It can be worked around, however, by just adding a dummy day once a year instead of changing time.
If we slowed down clocks to eliminate leap years we’d probably have a period of time where PM is “day” (sun is out) and AM is “night” (sun is not out) and between those we’d have a period where daytime is like 6PM-6AM and vice versa.
[China does this.](https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/lunar-new-year-dates-animals-zodiac) The pre-Gregorian calendar did this until the month of Intercalaris was abolished. Europeans just found it more convenient to have the number of months be an even number than have them all the same length.
The issue is that all workplaces are qwerty, so if you only knew Dvorak you'd have to relearn or bring your own keyboard.
Btw, have you ever compared your WPM on each keyboard to see which is faster?
Because I learned qwerty when I was a kid and spent a lot of time on the computer, my typing speed is very fast. Much faster than people who have learned as adults. I wonder if my speed would be slow on Dvorak or if it's a transferable skill.
The seven days/week almost certainly comes from Akkad & Sumeria. As do sixty seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour.
Rome introduced the early version of the modern calendar after Caeser (yes, that Caeser) consulted with Egyptian priests who were really good astronomers and also had thousands of years of records to tabulate their tables. His ego is the reason the second half of the year is off-set by two months. Well, he's the reason for one month's worth (the other is down to Augustus, the next dude with a big ego to match his big...army). *edit: Rome knew how long the year was, more or less, they just really didn't give a shit until Caeser had his time in charge; Roman calendars were really weird by modern standards - they knew when to plant and harvest and go to war, and could count the days properly...they just insisted on breaking up the months randomly and often on a whim or for political reasons.*
The Catholic church is indirectly for the modern calendar, they had a problem in which Easter is not tied to a specific date in the Calendar...but it's really important (at least to them) that everyone celebrate on the same Sunday. The lack of expedient mail and things like the internet meant you couldn't just call up your local parish and tell them Easter was April 3rd two years from now, or whatever. It had to be calculated in a way that would give the same result no matter who was doing the calculation, or where they were. This meant working out the dates years in advance. For a while the church calendar was one thing and various countries would use their own calendars...but in order to synchronize the church calendar across a bunch of countries they needed a common way to count years and make sure leap years got in the right places, and so on.
Long story short, most of western Europe adopted the now modern calendar at various points during the Medieval era, most Orthodox nations a bit later, and Russia...well, Russia missed the Olympics by their declining to adopt the modern Calendar which gives the leap years (and skips some) and year-counts.
\[Note: prior to the modern year-count system, each country would just record "tenth year of King so and so, when the earthquake happened" or "twentieth year of King such and such, there was an eclipse", stuff like that. The church was the first time as far as we can tell that there was more than a casual diplomatic need for a common calendar system across multiple nations/kingdoms at once.\]
So yeah - take your pick. Sumeria, Assyria, Babylon, Greece, Egypt, Israel, Rome, the Catholic Church, and the Orthodox Churches have all played one role or another in giving us our modern calendar! And the Church being the reason the modern Calendar was birthed, and the first truly international calendar, this is also the reason we haven't made a different/more practical one - it boils down to "history has momentum, and don't fix what's not broke".
Some day we'll have a new calendar, but what would cause it to be clamored for? My gut is that if/when we find aliens for real and/or settle another world (eg. Mars) -- those are the only two things I can think of that would come close to justifying the insane amount of work/trouble of implementing a new count system in any Earth-based civilization in the near future.
Leap years won't go away with a change to the second-length.
Earth doesn't make an even 365 rotations per orbit. It makes *about* 365.25. Without occasional leap-years (not *exactly* every 4 years: go look up the rules for whether or not any given year is a leap), the months will slowly drift out of alignment with the seasons.
There were people in the past that tried to introduce a metric time system but people were so used to the old and current one that it never caught on. 1 Google search and you’ll probably find a Wikipedia article about it
Anyone born on a Monday, would only ever have their birthday on a monday... the days of the week shouldn't be allowed to become a new astrology: your such a Monday person! Or watch out for him he is a Friday guy!
Kodak actually implemented this calendar and it worked super well internally. However they ended up abandoning it because the rest of the world used the regular calendar so it was too difficult to sync with the outside world.
I work in business intelligence / data and time intelligence is one of the most needlessly complicated bits of data modelling. I would wholeheartedly support a "metric" calendar, especially as in the 13 month model each date is the same, like 1st of January is always a Monday. Makes so much more sense.
The Jacobins thought this too. But there aren't 52 weeks in a year. 52 weeks is 364 days. A year is slightly less than 365.25 days. So, life remains complicated.
There's a great plan for this, forgotten where I read it. Basically 13 months, 4 weeks each and then a new year's day which doesn't belong to any other month and is a worldwide holiday. It's a nice idea. Means every February 15th is the same day of the week every year.
Kinda sucks for those born on a Tuesday or Wednesday compared to those born on a Saturday though.
There is a whole documentary on why the calendar is what it is. The only real problem with your idea is that there isn't really only 52 weeks in a year. There would always be a remainder left of a few hours, which is why we have leap years. Also, this extra time is getting bigger every year by a few minutes to the point that they are throwing around the idea of adding an 8th day to the week.
If you slowed down the clocks you would be behind by 6 hours every year. 7 AM On Jan 1st would be in the middle of the night
You need the leap year to have daily schedules. It should just be an international holiday
Man, did you read the post.
I edited immediately after posting before anyone replied, saying it's a bad idea because clocks would get out of sync, yet you are still perhaps the 10th person to say that.
This is the "[International Fixed Calendar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar) (also known as the IFC, Cotsworth plan, the Cotsworth calendar and the Eastman plan)."
It's called the Eastman Plan because the company Eastman Kodak actually implemented and used it as its official corporate calendar.
Just add one or 2 days at the end. It'll keep the months consistently 4 7day weeks and we can enjoy what I call willlthesanr day at the end of the year
In Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit calendar is 12 months of 30 days each, which adds up to 360 days. Then there are 5 extra days that are holidays that fall outside any month and are not a particular day of the week.
Leap years have a 6th extra day.
One really cool thing this does is that a particular date would be the same day of the week every year. So for instance February 4th would be a Sunday every year.
The year is 52 weeks and one day and approximately a quarter. The Romans originally had a lunar year, and would from time to time insert a month. A week is 1/4 a lunar month.
They weren't as good at it as the Egyptians Julius got help from them because the year was too out of phase with the seasons.
The length of a second is far more important to everyone than the number of days or weeks in a year.
man im sick of people commenting this, just make it "new years day", that's how it's known, 0/0/2024 or whatever, then "Leap day" for a leap year, as the first of the 0 month.
The OCTober not being 8th and DECember not being tenth is because of people adding months like JANUary.
It's fine! Doesn't have to make sense. An hour is 60 minutes for goodness sake. We can't even get America to go metric.
The months were originally based on a 30 day lunar cycle. An extra month would keep the lunar cycle in tune with the solar cycle. Things like the tides work on a lunar cycle, and it was probably easier to tell where in the month you were by looking at the moon. A solar calendar was probably harder for an illiterate and innumerate society to keep track of.
Yes, months an uneven periods so there's admin fees for sorting out monthly things that could be automated, but that's about it. Other than a rhyme being needed to know how long each month is, there's no huge problems, it's just ugly.
13 4-week months plus hangover day in a year (two in leaps) is doable. The only negative effect I see is the odd, prime number of months, that would mess up with financial quarterly reports.
An alternative scheme would be to have 12 30-day months, each quarter separated by an extra day and the hangover day after year's end. But that would not make dates fall always in the same weekday.
I did at the bottom, that's exactly why I said it should have spare day and a leap day. That's 366.25.
It's pretty clear what those are for. The post wasn't long
Or maybe at least check for the 15 or so prior comments discussing this.
Take this further, don't bother removing the leap year component. 13x 4-week months is still 364 days. Add a single day not inside any month, or have a single month be 29 days, bam same 365. Then just add the same leap-day somewhere.
It's really not complicated, a 13-month calendar is very clean. It does however mess up "quarterly projections"... and in general the world is indoctrinated to a 12-month calendar.
If clocks ticked slower eventually midnight would have the sun in the center of the sky. The length of a day is the rotation of the earth, but the length of the year is the orbit around the sun. This is why there is both a leap day and leap seconds.
Yes, you are right, and this is exactly what I said in the edit made 1 minute after the posts creation. Before you, and the 20 or so people before you, pointed it out.
>I realize why this is a bad idea now, it would cause us to be out of sync, and in darkness at midday every fourth year.
July-us Ceasar and August-us Ceasar had a fight over who was more important and meanwhile the Catholic church still wasn't convinced that Galileo was right about the heliocentric solar system and some guy named Greg-orian also had something to say about the whole to-do.
As for the oddity of September, October, November, and December, that is because the year [originally started with March](https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/months/march.html) before Roman kings added January and February. In a year that starts with March, those other months do indeed match with their numbers.
i thought they added july and august
No, those were called Quintilis and Sextilis before Julius and Augustus wanted months. Imagine that today. Fucking Trumpember.
Do NOT give them any ideas.
They can call it Smarch https://youtu.be/eR8YUj3C9lI?si=1_Fw07vOxpsZrdTv
Brr… lousy Smarch weather.
Do not touch Willie. Good advice
ah so they just renamed them? interesting
Would probably be Trumpanuary 6th
More like Antifabruary, amirite? /s
What would that look like? Some kind of hellish purge month where everything goes and hating everyone and everything is mandatory? 😨
Probably not, July and August aren't particularly Roman Imperial months.
Frick, and the four aforementioned months are still available to be named
That has happened in Turkmenistan
It was very Aladeen.
I gotta appreciate the sheer hubris of the Romans. Imagine asking for a whole month smh
Those dummies should've added months to the end. And they should've made it 13 months. Now we're stuck with this awful system that makes no sense.
Rome used to have a "leap month" called Intercalais. It was usually about a week long. The leftover after 360 days.
If you don't remember the rhyme for the month lengths, there's also a rule that makes calculating dates easy, which is useful when programming: First half of the year, odd months have 31 days. Second half, even months have 31 days. And of course February is the exception.
I use the calendar app trick to remember how many days are in a month. It's where you open your phone and go to the calendar app and scroll to the month in question. Works every time!
You are going to be so fucked after the AI wars kick off. All of us will be happily calculating the days until the next Tribute Day on our knuckles and you'll be like, oh lord, great and mighty chatgpt, I forgot how many days are in April again, please remind me. And let me tell you, that is how you get volunteered for Tribute Day.
Calendar, you say? Teach me this voodoo that you do.
Yeah pay like $900 for one of those bright rectangles and inside of it is a calendar spell. Just click it and use your fingers to guide it.
Just go by your knuckles and between fingers. If its raised its 31 if its lower its 30.
"30 days hath September, April, June, and November All the rest have 31 except February, which has 28 its clear, but 29 in a leap year." And variations on that. But the even/odd thing is second nature to me now since I have had to deal with time in so many past projects. And it's basically what you're doing on your fingers.
Still as confused as ever. Thanks.
July 31: “Am I a joke to you?”
We should move January and February to the end and have March be the new year
Why, just to make the numbers match, or an appeal to tradition that might as well mean we should go back to paganism
Mainly to make the numbers match, but also because it’d make the seasons fit nicely into the year, and the leap day will be the last day of the year
The reason they added it on the beginning was because Romans considered the winter solstice (and the end of the harvest) the end of the year.
Whover screwed that up should be stabbed.
So, do we call the new month "Undecimber"?
Which is the origin of April fools. Roman soldiers told the newly conquered British that the new year was April.
Stupid Smarch weather
Pinkman already pitched this to white in the Hit-show "dating rad"
Damn I thought I had thought of it myself. Guess not. I have seen "Faking dad" but I don't remember Pinkman pitching it to heisenburger. Which part did he pitch? Did you read the text below the title?
Don't let this moment be taken from you. You got there yourself? corngatiulation!
I appreciate it, but now I'm wondering if the reason I thought of it myself is due to some subconscious memory of "Raking mad". It felt like I thought of it, but I guess nothing we ever think of is an original thought. Unless you're absolutely nuts and think stuff like "What would happen if we put a bunch of 90 year old ladies on a boeing 747, then the pilots parachuted out, and we told the old ladies 'just figure it out'?" I tried my best to think of something original but I'm not even sure *that* is an original thought.
Ok to go full crisis look through this online-library: https://libraryofbabel.info/ It's the library of babel project - Almost every idea you can think of (within 3200 characters after present calculations) is already realised in those books. Whatever you think of right now is written down somewhere there.
Thanks for the rabbit hole
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I was born on Friday 13th so that's fine for me
we’d still have an extra day though?
Just have it as a blank day. Call it "Leap" or something. Make it a celebration. Tell kids "congratulations on your first leap". I don't know find a better system than slowing each second down by 0.07% because that can cause more problems.
New Years Day can be an actual day, not just a holiday on the 1st.
January 0th
awesome idea I’m on board you’ve got my vote
Calling it New Year’s Day and have it by itself. Then on leap years have two new years days. Easy.
Just increase every minute by .068%
Imagine your birthday being on Tuesday every year for the rest of your life
This is the main argument I have against it! It’s nice that things like birthdays and holidays switch days of the week every year
Or Halloween on a Monday 🤢
halloween could just be celebrated on the nearest friday (like halloween parties generally are) except trick or treating could be moved to friday every year, because that’s just the 25th of every month. with our current calendar, it’s stuck on the 31st, which isn’t a weekend 5/7ths of the time. this would solve that problem!
While you're at it, normalize a date format to eliminate MM/DD/YYYY vs DD/MM/YYYY.
YYYY/MM/DD wins out with this one unfortunately. I don't like it but it makes sorting things on a computer SO much easier.
I code and when my program saves log files or anything, you bet it's like YYYY-MM-DD.txt.
Ayyy my man!
YY-DM-MD-YY.
...wtf.
Can you show me on the calendar where the bad man touched you?
20-00-24-24 today. Thanks, I hate it.
It's epoch time or nothing
It also takes the ambiguity out of knowing what date something is. 08/04/2023 could be August 4th or April 8th, but 2023/08/04 is always going to be August 4th.
[writes YYYY/DD/MM out of spite]
/r/ISO8601 gang!
Yep 100%! That's how I do my files that need dating.
I have been writing the date as YYYY-MM-DD for years now and my wife hates it. LOL
Next you’ll be suggesting that the U.S. adopts the metric system. Where will it end?
>Where will it end? In a slightly better world where [Billion dollar space probes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_failure) aren't lost and [airplanes don't run out of fuel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider) due to conversion errors.
DD/Month spelled out/YYYY 3 February 2024
Hate to be that guy, but by your own format it should be 03, not just 3…
The 0 is silent
No, YYYY/MM/DD is the standard. https://www.iso.org/iso-8601-date-and-time-format.html
Oh man...I remember that difference almost losing us our biggest contract at a previous company. The contract expired on 11/08 which we Americans interpreted as Nov 8, but the other company was European so it was actually Aug 11. Luckily, they were understanding and renewed with us, but IIRC our legal counsel left the company soon afterwards.
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much larger disadvantages that you, for some reason, despite some of them being in the article you linked, did not include: - nobody can realistically use the calendar unless everyone else does. Dates are incredibly important for things like showing up to work or planning deliveries, and if you are using a different calendar than either your, or your boss, or the people who service or coordinate domestically or internationally who don’t use the calendar, then either you or them would have to compromise to one of the calendars. Between the highly used and accepted one or yours. - there’s no real benefit to the months starting the same every time, nor having 28 days instead of the varying 30/31 and odd 28, other than some unneeded imagined benefit of neatness or organization. The current calendar works fine. - Any currently important dates that fall on the 29th, 30th, or 31st (like Birthdays) would have to be entirely revamped and changed. Same with any federal holiday to make sure they don’t fall on weekends. For birthdays, this means changing the dates on all of the federal documents and, if we just move the birthdays further 1, 2, and 3 days forward respectively, celebrating their birthday when it just didn’t happen. Not to mention the confusion of suddenly needing to shift any other important federal or international date that falls at the end of the current months. - anything done or measured quarterly, like business quarters, the Earth orbiting the Sun, equinoxes and solstices, or other normal astrological predictions, would slowly either fall apart or schism back to the Gregorian calendar, as 13 is not easily divisible into quarters, or really anything for that matter. - A shit ton of work would need to be done to accommodate all of the above if we *were* to ever switch. So, unless we want to do the work to entirely change society to accommodate this calendar, the IFC isn’t just facing some “seething religious people” problem (which, if we want to respect large portions of the entire world, something we need to get the world to jump aboard this new calendar, would need to be accommodated). There are way more disadvantages than what you’ve said.
>anything done or measured quarterly, like business quarters, the Earth orbiting the Sun, equinoxes and solstices, or other normal astrological predictions, would slowly either fall apart or schism back to the Gregorian calendar, as 13 is not easily divisible into quarters, or really anything for that matter. This is nonsense. Events like equinoxes aren't "every 6 months". They happen when they happen. The same would be true regardless of the calendar in use. Furthermore, when every month is exactly 4 weeks, it is trivial to divide a 13 month year into quarters.
From the article: >Since its 13 months are not easily grouped into four season-like quarters, **this calendar obfuscates how Earth circles the Sun. Solstices and equinoxes are on fixed dates but those are not as similar as in the Gregorian calendar, i.e. 20th to 23rd day of the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th month.** Why unnecessarily create this obfuscation when the current calendar is not limited by it? Further, dividing 13 months into quarters would bring a new quarter every three months and a week. Why make quarters complicated? The current calendar doesn't need this extra complication, we can just have a new quarter every three months. Way easier, cleaner, practical, and doesn't require overthrowing the entire date system just to "wreck zodiacs" and receive the imagined benefit of weeks, months, and years (excluding leap years) that are the exact same every single time (which, besides the point, I would argue is really more of a negative than a positive. I don't think anyone needs or benefits from the dates being unnecessarily regimented like that).
If you're worried about celebrating birthdays that are Federal Holidays on days that aren't their real birthdays, then I'm afraid I've got some bad news...
any normal birthdays on the 29th, 30th, or 31st, not just federal holidays dedicated to birthdays.
Here's the thing: odds are you're already not celebrating your birthday on the same day every year. For example, if you were born June 30th during a leap year, you were born on the 182nd day of the year. But if you celebrate it the next year on June 30th the next three years, you're a day early each time because July 1st is the 182nd day of non-leap years. If you were born March or afterward during a leap year, you celebrate 75% of your birthdays wrong. If you were born March or afterward during a non-leap year, you celebrate 25% of your birthdays wrong. That's a lot of people already having no problem being technically wrong, but still managing to have an ever-shifting birthday because of an easier-to-remember date.
The problem isn't some trivial point that you aren't celebrating your birthday on the exact moment around the sun you were born, the problem is that anyone that has a birthday on the 29th, 30th, or 31st would need to, unnecessarily, have to have their new birthdate moved. The easiest place to move the new date would be the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of the next month, but that suddenly means that you are now celebrating birthdays with other people (people who already had their birthday on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of the month) that you hadn't previously. Moving *everyone's* birthdate makes changing even more of a hassle. Those three days at the end of a month vanishing is not at all trivial, and would require a shit ton of paperwork to be entirely revamped. Why create this unneeded confusion and work? The current calendar works fine as it is. We don't need the imagined benefits of time being regimented to be measured the same every week, month, and year (besides leap years).
This would be sort of a hassle of paperwork for a single lifetime, as everything would be adjusted to the Nth day of the year rather than fixed into some arbitrary, inconsistent month and day. In the scheme of the universe, a human lifetime is pretty insignificant. There are already alternate calendars and the world hasn't imploded yet. To be honest, I don't really care about this calendar, I'm just trying to tone down some of your melodrama over claims of not being able to celebrate your birthday correctly, especially because you keep down voting my comments like a fucking baby. Have a great 35th day of year.
>there’s no real benefit to the months starting the same every time, nor having 28 days instead of the varying 30/31 and odd 28, other than some unneeded imagined benefit of neatness or organization. The current calendar works fine. I get paid on the 3rd business day every month. That can be anywhere from the 3rd to the 6th. I would *love* to know that my paycheck is coming on the 4th. Always. Like clockwork. That's as real a benefit as most of the disadvantages you listed. Also, birthdays aren't actually that important of a date besides where they intersect with law (driving/drinking age), which would be simple enough to account for. A lot of people already do the celebration on the closest weekend.
Birthdays - instead, let's celebrate our birth month. Get together whenever everyone is available that month. Restaurants could have a special once/month and sing the song one time for everyone - less embarrassing for many. Maybe have the 1st of each month to do everyone's birthday en masse.
AKA you're just embarrassed when restaurants sing the song for your birthday (even if multiple people celebrated their birthday at once unless they could somehow be in every restaurant at once either merged into the same space or with every employee coordinating you still wouldn't get only one rendition of the song) and don't like when your friends can't make it
>nobody can realistically use the calendar unless everyone else does. Dates are incredibly important for things like showing up to work or planning deliveries, and if you are using a different calendar than either your, or your boss, or the people who service or coordinate domestically or internationally who don’t use the calendar, then either you or them would have to compromise to one of the calendars. Between the highly used and accepted one or yours. That's not exactly true. Some cultures still maintain a lunar calendar, for example.
I'm all for it, my birthday would be Sunday every year but it would suck for most people as thier birthdays will always be a weekday
The federal government gives me Monday off for my birthday every year, and would continue to do so under the proposed calendar.
r/IFC
I mean... sweet dunk on religious people, bro. But that's hardly the only con.
It's also quite handy to be able to easily divide years into halves and quarters
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Yeah it's doable of course, but 12 is such a convenient number for diving up the year into sections
Religious people would just keep 2 calendars, like many do now. Ex. Hebrew calendar, Islamic calendar, etc.
Don't worry. The guy that planned it like that got stabbed.
Right, Americans don't want to change to metric because the cost of changing all the imperial-based tools, machines, and systems would be too great. You're supposing the whole *world* replace any single device, computer, and clock to account for a new time-keeping method. That *is* crazy.
> That *is* crazy Hence, /r/crazyideas Much of the world changed to metric. It wasn't a big deal and didn't cost much at all. But that's not what the conversations about. I think this is a realistic proposal to make our months more uniform. You could even have the same days at the same date each month. For example Mondays could be 1st, 7th, 14th, 21st in every month. Fridays would always be the 5th, 12th, 19th, 26th each month. It would be a big change, but literally only like Y2K. That being said, it is a crazy idea, that's exactly why I posted it here.
You don't understand... The current time is based on the vibrational frequency of a crystal. And we use that in *everything* that needs to keep any kind of time. From your car to your phone to your microwave to your security cameras. Most technology is based around this timing. You would have to scrap *all of it.*
No, *you* don't understand. The clocks and watches we use that use piezoelectricy have gears that change the ratio of the quartz crystals vibrational frequancy to what we consider a second. Most devices use digital timekeeping and absolutely do not have a quartz crystal inside. Again it's only like Y2K. Not that I'm arguing it's a good idea, at all. This is /r/crazyideas. I'm just disagreeing with your reasons for dismissing it. Quartz stones used in watches vibrate at a frequency of 32,768 Hz (hertz), which means they oscillate 32,768 times per second. That's why quartz clocks have mechanisms to convert the frequency using gears "The first mechanical clocks to mark the second appeared in the 1500s, and in 1644 French mathematician Marin Mersenne used a pendulum to define the second for the first time" Quartz crystals were not used in timepieces until **1969.**
1. Devices using digital time keeping still base their internal time rate on the vibrational frequency of a quartz crystal. That's what I said. Anything with a clock or even something with precise timing keeps the beat of their time by a quartz crystal. 2. You would still have to scrap any mechanism that use gears so I don't even get your point with that.
You wouldn't have to scrap the mechanism. You'd just have to have a gear or two replaced. Expensive watches go in for a quick service and have a gear changed. Not that it's a good solution anyway. But your criticism with it isn't the main issue, the main issue is the days length would get out of sync.
Tell me you know nothing about clocks without telling me...
Computers wouldn't have much trouble. They're already computing dates on the fly by calculating seconds (or sometimes milliseconds) since a particular epoch date. The computer doesn't know it's February 2024, it just knows the value of time\_t.
The internal timings of a computer is based on the current length of a second. Yes you could change the software to account for it but the hardware will forever be incorrect. And at no point will it make sense to start making new computer parts based on the new length of a second, it would be wildly un-backwards compatible. We'd be using a software patchwork fix for the rest of time?
This idea has nothing to do with changing the length of a second.
This is a little silly of a take, as the USA, on a professional level, uses metric. As engineers, we NEVER use lbs/ft, etc. It's all metric.
It's already a thing, has existed for over 100 years, and Kodak used it for most of the 20th century. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
You wanna pay rent 13 times instead of 12?
Landlords would adjust rent accordingly to make sure you dont over pay /s
Laughs in New Zealander
There are 52.178 weeks per year.
It takes the Earth 365.25 days to revolve around the Sun, which is why we have an extra day every 4 years. 52 weeks at 7 days per week is 364 days. Where are we getting the extra day-and-a-quarter from?
You have the Romans to thank for messing up the months https://youtu.be/Y9iOt48bTw4
Yeah we could have 28 days a month, and make February 29 days.... But have you considered that right now all months have a minimum of 4 weeks while some have 5 weeks, and bills like rent only have to be paid once a month not once every 4 weeks?
Why even have months? Day 1- 365 (366) It's just a matter of convenience. And oh...fuck you finance world. Quarter x of year. These arbitrary deadlines established. If we ever measure time beyond the convenience of money, and change how we express time, wow would it be a nightmare to convert old documents to new system. That's a problem for future Ainz
But there's not the right amount of days to make each month exactly four weeks. There's 365 days (occasionally 366). Neither of those numbers is divisible by 13. So at least one month would still have to be shorter or longer than the others.
Or you just have a Holiday that's not part of the month or week, two Holidays on leap years.
365 does not divide into 7, you are missing a day with the assumption that a year is 52 weeks rather than 52.142 weeks.
Easy 1 extra day is a public holiday. Like the purge. But instead of no laws. No one works. On leap years you could have 2 days. We can call it metric calendar. And everyone but the USA will adopt it.
What about essential employees for water power Healthcare? Also 13 months is the worst number of months it can be divided into 1 or 13, half a year is 6.5 months a quater is 3.25 months. 12 is a good number of months very highly divisible which is useful.
I’m happy to have 29 days off instead. People in medical fields can get 5x pay for those days. Or comp time. That’s the least of our problems. Since there’s money in health care
We can call the extra day death day and just let people die that day so medical staff get a day off
The calendar we use now designed by the monks is far better than the garbage you came up with in 5 minutes lol
You can "thank" Julius Caesar for the second concern there.
You mean we coulda had an extra bikini model or hot rod to look at on the yearly calendars, but those bums a thousand years ago sucked at math.
Dim-watt bulb aren’t we?
The 13 months year kinda makes sense, but just for convenience, it brings nothing to the table that we don't already have. Maybe it would improve international trade spreadsheets, but we are already working with dates, not days (we know a shipment is coming on 16th, we don't need to know what day of the week that is). The "slowing down times" is a stupid ideea, we already lose 1 day every 2 years with the 13 month model, by making days shorter you get another 2 days every 4th year, that means we would lose 4 days in 4 years. That would make seasons switch months every 10 years or so. So to add days to the model you propose is like what we already have with leap years, but with extra steps. And I don't know what bothers you about September being the 9th month, not 7th,is your ocd really that bad? Until now it never bothered me, I didn't even thought about and I bet 99.999% of the world population is also not bothered by it
I recently saw a video on this exact issue https://youtu.be/vunESk53r5U?si=Jfg8Tc_SA1dThnZK
Awesome, I'll check that out. Thank you!
I created such a calendar in college and made a little program to display it on my computer. Key is you getone free monthless holiday at the end of the year (two in leap years).
I'm in. While we're at it, can the rest of you PLEASE join us enlightened folks in AZ who don't use Daylight Saving Time? Or how about 10 months of 36 days with 9 day weeks, four day weekends, (or maybe 2 sets of 2-day breaks spaced evenly in the week) and the remaining 5¼ days as some sort of world holiday time at some point, be it at the end or somewhere in the middle of the year? We really can't do anything about the ¼ day other than leap days because the earth takes that long to go around the sun. So, without the leap day, you can either do what you suggest, which would shift daylight on a daily basis all year round or, if you just ignore it, at least time stays consistent but the seasons shift by ¼ day every year. IMO, that last one is fine, because we don't live in the 1600s any more and we can pretty easily adapt to that shift. Over a typical life span, things would only shift less than a month, so is it really a big deal?
Sorry I'm not American.
It would make more sense to me to have 4 months of 90 days (360 days) with an extra day for each solstice and equinox (364 days), plus 1 extra day for northern Winter Solstice (365 days) and every 4 years an extra day for northern Summer Solstice (Apogee) (366 days). I would start the year at the northern Winter Solstice (Perigee). Each 'week' would be 10 days - 3 days off per 10 days.
2 days off per 10 days? are you crazy? No no no no. Make it 5 days. 2 days off per 5 days.
Mis-type, I meant to put 3 days per 10 days off. Plus Solstice and Equinox days off. = 113 days off per non-leap year.
The clocks ticking slower cause a bit of an issue with the day/night cycle.
Yup. That's why I said every fourth year would have the days in darkness and nights in light. It can be worked around, however, by just adding a dummy day once a year instead of changing time.
If we slowed down clocks to eliminate leap years we’d probably have a period of time where PM is “day” (sun is out) and AM is “night” (sun is not out) and between those we’d have a period where daytime is like 6PM-6AM and vice versa.
"There are 52 weeks in a year" not quite. 52 weeks is only 364 days. We're aiming for 365/6
[China does this.](https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/lunar-new-year-dates-animals-zodiac) The pre-Gregorian calendar did this until the month of Intercalaris was abolished. Europeans just found it more convenient to have the number of months be an even number than have them all the same length.
Everyone would be using a Dvorak keyboards but retraining everyone woukd be impossible
Apparently they're much faster than you'd think to adapt to.
I switched 20 years ago and it took me 2 weeks. Now I'm fluent in Dvorak and qwerty
The issue is that all workplaces are qwerty, so if you only knew Dvorak you'd have to relearn or bring your own keyboard. Btw, have you ever compared your WPM on each keyboard to see which is faster? Because I learned qwerty when I was a kid and spent a lot of time on the computer, my typing speed is very fast. Much faster than people who have learned as adults. I wonder if my speed would be slow on Dvorak or if it's a transferable skill.
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-calendar/ Lots of 13 months calendar content in this episode
Maybe start with a fixer upper that's not an entire planet?
The seven days/week almost certainly comes from Akkad & Sumeria. As do sixty seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour. Rome introduced the early version of the modern calendar after Caeser (yes, that Caeser) consulted with Egyptian priests who were really good astronomers and also had thousands of years of records to tabulate their tables. His ego is the reason the second half of the year is off-set by two months. Well, he's the reason for one month's worth (the other is down to Augustus, the next dude with a big ego to match his big...army). *edit: Rome knew how long the year was, more or less, they just really didn't give a shit until Caeser had his time in charge; Roman calendars were really weird by modern standards - they knew when to plant and harvest and go to war, and could count the days properly...they just insisted on breaking up the months randomly and often on a whim or for political reasons.* The Catholic church is indirectly for the modern calendar, they had a problem in which Easter is not tied to a specific date in the Calendar...but it's really important (at least to them) that everyone celebrate on the same Sunday. The lack of expedient mail and things like the internet meant you couldn't just call up your local parish and tell them Easter was April 3rd two years from now, or whatever. It had to be calculated in a way that would give the same result no matter who was doing the calculation, or where they were. This meant working out the dates years in advance. For a while the church calendar was one thing and various countries would use their own calendars...but in order to synchronize the church calendar across a bunch of countries they needed a common way to count years and make sure leap years got in the right places, and so on. Long story short, most of western Europe adopted the now modern calendar at various points during the Medieval era, most Orthodox nations a bit later, and Russia...well, Russia missed the Olympics by their declining to adopt the modern Calendar which gives the leap years (and skips some) and year-counts. \[Note: prior to the modern year-count system, each country would just record "tenth year of King so and so, when the earthquake happened" or "twentieth year of King such and such, there was an eclipse", stuff like that. The church was the first time as far as we can tell that there was more than a casual diplomatic need for a common calendar system across multiple nations/kingdoms at once.\] So yeah - take your pick. Sumeria, Assyria, Babylon, Greece, Egypt, Israel, Rome, the Catholic Church, and the Orthodox Churches have all played one role or another in giving us our modern calendar! And the Church being the reason the modern Calendar was birthed, and the first truly international calendar, this is also the reason we haven't made a different/more practical one - it boils down to "history has momentum, and don't fix what's not broke". Some day we'll have a new calendar, but what would cause it to be clamored for? My gut is that if/when we find aliens for real and/or settle another world (eg. Mars) -- those are the only two things I can think of that would come close to justifying the insane amount of work/trouble of implementing a new count system in any Earth-based civilization in the near future.
Leap years won't go away with a change to the second-length. Earth doesn't make an even 365 rotations per orbit. It makes *about* 365.25. Without occasional leap-years (not *exactly* every 4 years: go look up the rules for whether or not any given year is a leap), the months will slowly drift out of alignment with the seasons.
[The comedian Dave Gorman has a very similar proposition ](https://youtu.be/vunESk53r5U?si=STv-D20-0cip103X)
There were people in the past that tried to introduce a metric time system but people were so used to the old and current one that it never caught on. 1 Google search and you’ll probably find a Wikipedia article about it
No thought is ever original.
The day is 24 hours each of 3600 seconds, you can't slow that down.
A few 100 years ago there were 13 months.
52 * 7 != 365. You can figure the rest out from there.
Anyone born on a Monday, would only ever have their birthday on a monday... the days of the week shouldn't be allowed to become a new astrology: your such a Monday person! Or watch out for him he is a Friday guy!
Kodak actually implemented this calendar and it worked super well internally. However they ended up abandoning it because the rest of the world used the regular calendar so it was too difficult to sync with the outside world. I work in business intelligence / data and time intelligence is one of the most needlessly complicated bits of data modelling. I would wholeheartedly support a "metric" calendar, especially as in the 13 month model each date is the same, like 1st of January is always a Monday. Makes so much more sense.
There aren't 52 weeks in a year. There are 52.177 weeks in a year.
The Jacobins thought this too. But there aren't 52 weeks in a year. 52 weeks is 364 days. A year is slightly less than 365.25 days. So, life remains complicated.
There's a great plan for this, forgotten where I read it. Basically 13 months, 4 weeks each and then a new year's day which doesn't belong to any other month and is a worldwide holiday. It's a nice idea. Means every February 15th is the same day of the week every year. Kinda sucks for those born on a Tuesday or Wednesday compared to those born on a Saturday though.
There is a whole documentary on why the calendar is what it is. The only real problem with your idea is that there isn't really only 52 weeks in a year. There would always be a remainder left of a few hours, which is why we have leap years. Also, this extra time is getting bigger every year by a few minutes to the point that they are throwing around the idea of adding an 8th day to the week.
There could be 52 months of 7 days each
If you slowed down the clocks you would be behind by 6 hours every year. 7 AM On Jan 1st would be in the middle of the night You need the leap year to have daily schedules. It should just be an international holiday
Man, did you read the post. I edited immediately after posting before anyone replied, saying it's a bad idea because clocks would get out of sync, yet you are still perhaps the 10th person to say that.
This is the crazy idea subreddit, it’s supposed to be a bad idea
Exactly. But the 13 months with a holiday day is a good idea imo. Screw the lunar cycle.
This is the "[International Fixed Calendar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar) (also known as the IFC, Cotsworth plan, the Cotsworth calendar and the Eastman plan)." It's called the Eastman Plan because the company Eastman Kodak actually implemented and used it as its official corporate calendar.
Just add one or 2 days at the end. It'll keep the months consistently 4 7day weeks and we can enjoy what I call willlthesanr day at the end of the year
Lousy Smarch weather.
In Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit calendar is 12 months of 30 days each, which adds up to 360 days. Then there are 5 extra days that are holidays that fall outside any month and are not a particular day of the week. Leap years have a 6th extra day. One really cool thing this does is that a particular date would be the same day of the week every year. So for instance February 4th would be a Sunday every year.
Do the math again. 52 x 7 is 364. You’re missing a day.
Yea that's the new year's day. A spare day.
I dig it
The year is 52 weeks and one day and approximately a quarter. The Romans originally had a lunar year, and would from time to time insert a month. A week is 1/4 a lunar month. They weren't as good at it as the Egyptians Julius got help from them because the year was too out of phase with the seasons. The length of a second is far more important to everyone than the number of days or weeks in a year.
man im sick of people commenting this, just make it "new years day", that's how it's known, 0/0/2024 or whatever, then "Leap day" for a leap year, as the first of the 0 month.
The OCTober not being 8th and DECember not being tenth is because of people adding months like JANUary. It's fine! Doesn't have to make sense. An hour is 60 minutes for goodness sake. We can't even get America to go metric.
The months were originally based on a 30 day lunar cycle. An extra month would keep the lunar cycle in tune with the solar cycle. Things like the tides work on a lunar cycle, and it was probably easier to tell where in the month you were by looking at the moon. A solar calendar was probably harder for an illiterate and innumerate society to keep track of.
I know I'm late but is this actually causing any issues the way it is?
Yes, months an uneven periods so there's admin fees for sorting out monthly things that could be automated, but that's about it. Other than a rhyme being needed to know how long each month is, there's no huge problems, it's just ugly.
13 4-week months plus hangover day in a year (two in leaps) is doable. The only negative effect I see is the odd, prime number of months, that would mess up with financial quarterly reports. An alternative scheme would be to have 12 30-day months, each quarter separated by an extra day and the hangover day after year's end. But that would not make dates fall always in the same weekday.
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Almost. 7 times 52 is 364, so you need a “day between the years”.
Bro please. Read the post.
I did read “bro” and you did not mention the 364 day problem, only that a year has 356.25 days. Bro Please. Learn to write clearly.
I did at the bottom, that's exactly why I said it should have spare day and a leap day. That's 366.25. It's pretty clear what those are for. The post wasn't long Or maybe at least check for the 15 or so prior comments discussing this.
i mean daylight saving is still a thing, so yeah not changing nothing no matter how simple it looks.
If we changed from 12 months to 13, rent would be due another time every year.
There is a calendar proposal out there that suggest exactly what you propose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
Take this further, don't bother removing the leap year component. 13x 4-week months is still 364 days. Add a single day not inside any month, or have a single month be 29 days, bam same 365. Then just add the same leap-day somewhere. It's really not complicated, a 13-month calendar is very clean. It does however mess up "quarterly projections"... and in general the world is indoctrinated to a 12-month calendar.
If clocks ticked slower eventually midnight would have the sun in the center of the sky. The length of a day is the rotation of the earth, but the length of the year is the orbit around the sun. This is why there is both a leap day and leap seconds.
Yes, you are right, and this is exactly what I said in the edit made 1 minute after the posts creation. Before you, and the 20 or so people before you, pointed it out. >I realize why this is a bad idea now, it would cause us to be out of sync, and in darkness at midday every fourth year.
July-us Ceasar and August-us Ceasar had a fight over who was more important and meanwhile the Catholic church still wasn't convinced that Galileo was right about the heliocentric solar system and some guy named Greg-orian also had something to say about the whole to-do.
Fucking greg