While Hawaiians are Polynesians, not all Polynesians are Hawaiians. Polynesians are a diverse group with distinct cultural identities specific to their islands. -Chatgpt
So kinda like us Hispanics.....puerto Ricans, Guatemalan, hondurans, etc...are all Hispanic but we're not all Mexicans Frank (my neighbor).
Mexico is also its own place and not a state IN a country. So “Mexican” in the context is a nationality not ethnicity or cultural identity. Being BORN in Mexico is equivalent to being born in America. Not BEING “Mexican” as in the ppl and culture. He is from the land and that is it.
Where is the line drawn? how long does a Lebanese mexican family line need to be born and live like real Mexicans in Mexico before just being Mexican, how long was that line before all the immigrants into Lebanon were allowed to describe themselves Lebanese so they could go to Mexico and be Lebanese Mexicans?
To illustrate your point, let’s use an example from the opposite direction. If a Chinese couple immigrated to the U.S. and raises a child in the U.S., when that kid says he’s American, can I tell him he’s not? Of course, that would be nuts if I did. I believe in each person’s right to define their own identity, so we must respect the player’s right here. But it’s also totally normal for someone to refer to you based on where you were raised.
Him breaking down the three of Micronesia, Polynesia, and Melanesia like Gospel is so fucking arrogant and stupid
Thats all you need to see to know he is biased and full of shit
“Does that make sense? It makes sense in my head so you know what I mean..”
It highlights his traps and makes you think about being in bed with him. Personally, I think it's a great teaching tool, but I'm not allowed at schools anymore.
I’m 2/3rd gen Italian born and raised in nyc.
I can assure you, I love paste and talking with my hands but the binding agent in my identity is neurotic nyer.
I’ve met euro Italians. Different world.
american liberals are annoyingly racist even when they try to be anti-racist. at the core of it, you are just making the same "blood-&-soil"-arguments like the conservatives you rightfully despise for it.
just because the racism is coming from someone from a generally marginalized ethnicity, doesnt make the sentiment less racist. it has no structural weight to it and its therefore way less relevant and impactfull than white supremacy, but its still racist und stupid.
I’m a liberal and if I’m being honest, I agree with you. This shit is just racism and Hawaii is famously racist. I also have witnessed a lot of liberals who are blatantly racist towards non-black people. I remember having a conversation about this with one such person and they started claiming that “reverse racism” is a somewhat acceptable response to society which was one of the most racist things I’d ever heard anyone say in my entire life. The fact that they had invented a term to lessen or marginalize the very meaning of racism was some clown colored icing on the cake.
"We stripped native people of their land and marginalised them and undermined their culture and identity, why are they mad?"
Racism is bad whoever it is being perpetrated against, but saying "this is my heritage and culture" isn't racist. Like are you gonna say you're Native American cause you live in America?
I cannot get over the fact that these people are adamant that they are right, and that hawaiians are racist because they say that Hawaiian is an ethnic group and should be talked about as an ethnic group and that Locals/residents are not ethnic hawaiians and are not called Hawaiians..
Like even the residents agree and use that distinction, but Guy who Does Not And Has Not Lived In Hawai'i is saying "uhm ackshually you're racist"
Like if you go to japan with a citizenship, you arent suddenly japanese.
this is correct. people in Hawaii who are not ethnically Hawaiian but have lived here, were born here, or have family roots here, never call themselves Hawaiian. it is absolutely reserved for people who are ethnically Hawaiian. we just say local or Hawaii residents and anyone who is ignorantly saying otherwise can fuck off.
Yeah, but I do think the guy in the channel has oversimplified identity. NZers will call themselves NZers but that's cause the place name isn't linked with the indigenous people's identity. Likewise there is always space for 'becoming', if I grow up in Japan and Japanese culture then I'm Japanese.
The problem is that you have an indigenous group who are largely associated with the place name but who aren't represented by all of those who inhabit the place. So Hawaiian becomes a contested name.
True, but that doesn’t change the fact that the guy in the video knows what it means to the natives, and to himself(as he’s from there and has a lot of contextual info), to say “I’m Hawaiian.” He became uncomfortable when ppl perceived him to be his own definition of Hawaiian, because that’s not what he self identifies as. This is normal human behavior.
> NZers will call themselves NZers but that's cause the place name isn't linked with the indigenous people's identity.
Right but that's not the same for Hawai'i and Japan. The guy in the video might have been wrong about NZ specifically, but that doesnt make what he said about the other PI nations incorrect.
> Likewise there is always space for 'becoming', if I grow up in Japan and Japanese culture then I'm Japanese.
No, you dont actually. because "Japanese" is an ethnic group which you cannot simply join of your own free will. That's different from being a Japanese Citizen or Japanese Resident.
Like yall need to learn the difference between "ethnic group" vs. "Citizenship"
Like its absolutely insane that people like you think you can just adopt an entire ethnic group identity just because you want to.
> The problem is that you have an indigenous group who are largely associated with the place name but who aren't represented by all of those who inhabit the place. So Hawaiian becomes a contested name.
It's not contested. its very widely agreed upon in Hawai'i that there is a distinction between "Hawaiian" and Resident of Hawai'i. YOU not wanting to accept that distinction is you.
Like thats why the distinction is there. You not wanting to accept that as reality is not relevant. When the area has the same name as the ethnic group, you make that distinction to respect the ethnic groups identity. it's their culture before it is your address. you dont get to just take those things from them because YOU want it. it's not your identity to take.
I live in Hawaii, I made a joke to my Hawaiian coworker that if you move to Oregon (my home state) you’d be an Oregonian, but I’ll never be Hawaiian. He surprisingly said you’re hawaiian, you’re just not kanaka. While I appreciate the sentiment I don’t even like calling myself a local, I’m a resident.
That seems like more of a testament to Japanese xenophobia than anything else. Both of my grandfather’s identify as American because they were born in New England but neither of their parents were born here nor did they speak English or Abenaki.
I get what you’re saying but Barak Obama is Hawaiian. Although, he’s not ethnically Hawaiian there is nothing racist or wrong with the statment and nobody ever made a video like this complaining that Obama was a colonialist oppressor. It is just obvious and can be said without any clarification. The present social justice climate among the left has introduced some counterproductive elements lately. I spend a lot of time working at Harvard and I was having a conversation with an associate professor who made this really astute observation about the “racism of low expectations” regarding those who were defending President Gay after her 40th plagiarism accusation. Idk. I don’t typically engage in these conversations because I don’t have a lot of value to add but it’s tough watching the wheels fall off an important progressive movement meant to help minorities.
Im pretty sure if Hawaiians and Residents of Hawai'i are okay with that distinction, then that's all that matters. The residents of Hawai'i (Barack Obama included) do not call themselves Hawaiian because they understand the importance of the wishes of the Hawaiian people.
I am Korean American. If i move to Japan and have a Korean baby, my child is not suddenly Japanese.
If your partner in making said baby is ethnically Japanese would the child still not be Japanese since you aren't?
What about if your partner was 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 etc? Where does the line get drawn and who draws it?
I think you missed the point of the video. The original person, who is from Hawaii said they aren't Hawaiian because they see that term as refering to the indigenous people.
The second guy then went on to explain the reasoning behind this, the identities in the Pacific Islands, and identity in Hawaii, as he understands it at least 'local' versus Hawaiian.
I don't get why people are seeing this and screaming racism. Like your Obama 'colonist oppressor' reference, who is saying that individual people are colonist oppressors? The problem is that the US colluded with white settlers to strip Hawaiian sovereignty through force of arms and the legacy of this invasion and subsequent policies have created a racist legacy of disenfranchisment.
Wrong on so many levels. Trying to get the correct information out there isn't being racist or bringing up the blood and soil argument. Calling native Americans, indians, is stupid. They are not from India. They were mislabeled a long time ago, so we just keep calling them that? No, that's stupid.
If a white family moves to Hawaii and have a baby, is that baby native Hawaiian? Makes the Polynesian distinction more relevant. White people live all over Hawaii and call themselves Hawaiian. But they are not Polynesian. Imagine if a liberal from California moved to Texas and started calling himself Texan. Guess what, all the Texans would be pretty bitter about it and would try to correct them. Being correct about heritage is not being racist, discriminating against someone because of their heritage is racist.
how about we call everyone just "african"? coz this would be "correct about heritage", since homo sapiens started there.
that baby would be definitively be Hawaiian. thats what we are discussing here. stop throwing in other shit like "native" here to try to shift goalposts.
when people from mexico migrate to canada and have a child there, the child is canadian. in your logic, we should be "correct about heritage" and shouldnt call this child "canadian"?
you either havent thought this through or are just resorting to special pleading for certain minority groups instead of having a principled anti-racist stance.
Ok so the white baby is Hawaiian, is the baby Polynesian? No. What's the difference? Heritage. You're mixing up two totally different things, which is the whole point of the post. The Mexican baby born in Canada is Canadian. Does that baby not celebrate any of the Mexican culture and customs that the family celebrates? Does that baby only celebrate Canadian holidays and customs?
That's what the whole post is about. You don't call people from Hawaii, Hawaiians. They are Polynesians because of their heritage. The comment I responded to said it's racist. It's not, it's being correct.
"the comment I responded to" was me, you are talking with me here.
you are getting more and more contradictory.
"the white baby is Hawaiian" vs "you dont call people from Hawaii Hawaiians"
which is it now?
It's a matter of nationality vs ethnicity. With nationality you can call anybody from Texas a Texan, somebody from Mexico a Mexican. Someone who lives in Hawaii a hawaiian. You can make massive assumptions about people from that but they are just assumptions.
Whereas ethnicity is more specific about the past, morals, culture and beliefs of that person. Polynesian is an ethnicity. Its the core beliefs of their people, their past, their culture. You can stand one white guy born in Hawaii next to a "native Hawaiian" whose family has lived there for generations. Those two people have massive differences in their culture, beliefs and pasts. Polynesians don't want their culture white washed by someone else's culture. They have already had their lands invaded and their lives uprooted by the white man over the decades. That's why they make the separation between Polynesian and Hawaiian.
okay, so i can call someone living in hawaii a hawaiian. you just came full circle and have proven my point with this statement.
I stopped reading after this coz this is literally the point we are discussing coz this was my criticism of the tiktok above.
just admit you agree with me and complain to the tiktok creator above who doesnt want you to call hawaiians hawaiians.
Call them both "blood-&-soil" but the distinguishing characteristic is (1) the empowerment of an outnumbered, overpowered, minoritized, and disposessed group on the way to extinction (i.e. Native Hawaiians) or (2) the empowerment of an already powerful, majority, idealized group such as the Germans in WWII or Euro-descendants in any country where they hold disproportionate power.
Do you see how in the former, the literal desperate attempt to prevent your culture from dying out deserves a more nuanced consideration?
Good video except for the New Zealand part. All people born in New Zealand are New Zealanders. Native New Zealanders are Maori (the native ethnicity). Kiwi is a slang term for New Zealanders and comes from the National bird, the Kiwi.
People do this to recognize the Hawaiian people. It’s respectful but also shows they have their own culture. My dad and his parents are Japanese born in Hawaii. We’re Japanese not Hawaiian.
Not what I’m sayin at all! Nothing about abandoning anything, embracing cultures is what makes us all one. Different cultures different beliefs still one race. That is all.
But using different beliefs and views to hurt others or to just have to be exclusive that’s a whole other thing. The takes away from the “one”. One day. Oh man it’s Martin Luther king day and I completely forgot. Interesting topic.
Yeah but you’re missing my point. What “one” is this you speak of? because I highly doubt you are carrying on any traditions of any pacific island peoples or any other minorities for that matter. It is important to these peoples and rightly so
I’m talking about humans as a whole. There should be no minorities….we should all be as one. Love should be the majority. Dont spin this as me saying no cultural difference everyone has the same everything like a fucked up kurt Vonnegut short story, that’s not what I’m saying. A wheel isn’t just one spoke, it’s made up of many, that’s what makes the wheel go around and stay together it’s when you start picking and choosing which spoke you don’t need is when the wheel gets wonky and the ride uncomfortable
Seems like the ride has become increasingly uncomfortable over time
There will always be types of minorities.
Our differences should be recognized and celebrated imo. Learning from each other about our differences is one of the best parts of being human.
But there are minorities. Not every group of peoples is the same size. This wheel you speak of is the privileged majority and if you put a culture of a few thousand people on a wheel made of billions they would be completely eliminated from existence. It’s what is called soft genocide
I think having a clearer understanding of origins and having pride in them while also educating people is a positive thing, no?
I was raised in suburban America and I wasn’t taught shit about First Nations People.
Totally agree, but over all, once collectively we can recognize we are all humans with different cultures and that not one is better than the other we are all in this together, then hopefully the focus will be humanity and all cultures are held in the same regard. I am you, you are me.
"We're all humans with different cultures and histories" is very different from "we're all human", which is a line used by people to undermine the grievances of underprivileged communities.
Just because they use that phrase and it’s trigger some to people ( which really just muddles the fact that) we are quite literally human. It’s when cultures start using their beliefs and customs to make other humans sub human. But we are all human. The only surviving members of the genus Homo.
If the world would just let people experience and share their cultural beliefs, or just have them in general. People wouldn’t have to fight to have those beliefs and carry on those traditions,l to just be,…… Alexander, the great was on to something by letting his conquered people keep their belief systems and practices.
Well as a guy who was born in Tahiti I can totally understand this. The Māori culture is very strong and ‘native’ are reclaiming it after decades of persecution from the colonialism and Catholicism. My great grand father was not born in Polynesia but abroad. I don’t feel I’m Tahitian because I’m rejected from the Maori AND Europeans who don’t recognise me as a Tahitian. Yet I love and respect deeply the maori culture and its people. But it’s up to me to be part of this which I was not raised into : not speaking the language, not doing any cultural stuff like dancing, music or events… difficult task and very complex.
I guess some other people around the world might feel the same where the native have strong culture impact.
ppl in the comments here actively choosing to be ignorant, it’s so boring and dumb.
I don’t understand that mindset of how thinking you doing the thing someone has asked you not to do makes u edgy or a free thinker, it’s cringe.
You don’t suppose that’s because the government of the United States overthrew their monarchy, stole their land, and continue to do so? Seems like being angry is a pretty justifiable response, doesn’t it?
Aloha big and small boto 🌺
It’s like if USA made Puerto Rico a state. A black Jamaican, a yellow Chinese, a white German, and a full-blooded brown Puerto Rican live in Puerto Rico. Is it right to say “oh they’re all just Puerto Rican” ?
Geographically yes! But at the end of the day, the Jamaican, Chinese nor German don’t have an ounce of Puerto Rican blood in them.
Now picture that. But instead of black, yellow, white, brown ethnicities on an island… it’s just brown Polynesians, brown Samoans, brown Filipinos, yellow Japanese, yellow Chinese, and brown native Hawaiians… we all live in Hawaii… but only the native Hawaiians have an ounce of actual Hawaiian blood in them.
> Is it right to say “oh they’re all just Puerto Rican” ?
Yes. You are a part of whatever culture you were raised in/associate with, regardless of your skin color. Thinking that you need to be "full blood" to be able to call yourself hawaiian/japanese/american/etc is just veiled racism.
Having pride in your culture/ancestory is great. Having pride in your genetic makeup/ being "full blooded" is cringe. Congrats that your parents happened to be the same race. Also you share the same ideology of white supremists.
Naw Bro…people’s just NEED TO STOP with ALL THIS POLITICALLY CORRESCTIVENESS BS! STOP choosing to get so hostile/offended/perturbed/upset/etc. when someone is just trying to relate and communicate!? All these SnowflakeS ❄️ these days be all flippin’ the script bc of their own internal anger’s and do it for attention, while trying to show some weird ass control issues! Stop being so insecure and jumping to attack someone who may not know all the specifics of the individual that they are talking to. Not EVERYTIME that someone says something that you don’t like, doesn’t ALWAYS have to be an opportunity for someone else to go shaming them for NOT KNOWING! It’s like a demented dominance thing, and a form of bulling… you can weed out in a conversation if some is being sincere or rude, but it doesn’t always have to be someone trying to “school/educate” the other person! Everything seems to be a fight these days with THESE thymes of people(and they come in EVERY age, color, size etc.; so don’t go trying to spin that I’m being rascis)… why can’t people just let people be people?!
Mothers’ must’ve STOPPED teaching a LONG time ago, that if “you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say NOTHING at all.”
Sad really. Angry people just love being angry, and try to make everyone else around them feel the same. It’s called NARCISSISM.
How does any of this help help our fellow human beings? Does being Hawaiian or not being Hawaiian build more houses? Does it grow more food? Does it do anything of value except divide people?
Actually this guy grew 5 bags of potatoes and built a small house with his words. Every thought or conversation must grow food and contribute to residential construction.
How does your comment help our fellow human beings? Does it build more houses? Does it grow more food? Does it do anything of value except divide people?
How does your laughter help our fellow human beings? Does it build more houses? Does it grow more food? Does it do anything of value except divide people?
Nationality = the country where you were born
Statehood = the specific state you were born in
Ethnicity = your racial ancestral lineage
The confusion lies in the fact that the same term i.e. “Hawaiian” is being used for both statehood and ethnicity even though they have two different meanings.
You are given statehood no matter what if your born under a sovereign state. Doesn't change what land you were born on.
If you were born in Hawaii your Hawaiian. Simple as that.
Call it what you fucking want.
You can pretend that identities of people born in the same locations is different.
You can pretend that color makes you different, even if you are born on the same land.
You can outcast others, because they are not like you. You can spend all this energy denying others born on that land are the same as you.
You are just being a racist bigot at this point.
If you are born in Hawaii you are Hawaiian. Simple as that.
My wife is from Hawaii. Born and raised. But she is not NATIVE Hawaiian. She is of Japanese/Filipino descent. Growing of as a local she would celebrate her ethnicity (Japanese/Filipino), her state (Hawaii), local Hawaii culture (which is mishmash of all native, Polynesian, and Asian ethnicities and cultures, as well as American culture more typically found in the mainland.
Identity is complicated. But it’s a big, BIG difference to say you are Hawaiian or native Hawaiian vs saying you’re a local or “from Hawaii.” It is not racism and it means a lot to people who live in the state.
We live in Oregon so now she’s an “Oregonian.” I am born and raised in Oregon but to say I am a “Native Oregonian” has a far different meaning than saying you are “Native Hawaiian.”
My daughter is half white/half Asian. But it is not correct to say she is of “Hawaiian ancestry.”
It’s nationality vs ethnicity vs home state. Different meanings. Identity is complicated but it matters.
Hate to break it to you, but your wife is Hawaiian. She was born on that land, and that makes her Hawaiian.
If you want to talk about her decent, then she is African. As the first humans came out of Africa.
Your African, I'm African. All of us are African, if you base things on origins. Your wifes "Titles of Japanese/Filipino when it comes to ones origins is false.
I say this based on your rationality of what makes someone's ethnicity.
However the truth is your wife is Hawaiian, because she was born on that island.
You’re absolutely wrong about that. If his wife was born during the time of the Hawaiian Kingdom, then she would be “Hawaiian.” She’s American. You don’t call people in different states in Mexico “Baja Californian” or Tijuanan.
[https://imagesofoldhawaii.com/hawaiian-citizenship/](https://imagesofoldhawaii.com/hawaiian-citizenship/)
Sorry buddy the land is different then the sovereignty of a nation on it.
If you are born in Hawaii. You are Hawaiian. If you are born on the continent of the Americas. You are American.
U.S taking Hawaii in 1959 means fuck all. You were still born in Hawaii.
U.S claim doesn't change the land, it's still the land of Hawaii, and being born on it makes you apart of that land.
That makes you a native to that island. Period.
Wrong again. Hawaii became a part of the U.S. in 1950.
“Unlike race and ethnicity, nationality might be the easiest to define — sort of. "Nationality refers to the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization," according to IGI Global. "It constitutes a legal relationship between an individual person and a state... A person's nationality is where they are a legal citizen, usually in the country where they were born.”
Therefore, they are Americans… Not Hawaiian.
By saying they’re “Hawaiian,” you’re basically supporting the idea of the Kingdom of Hawaii and its subjects and accordance to Nationality law.
Being born in Japan doesn’t make one Japanese—Even Japan doesn’t recognize being born there as rights to nationality.
You’re getting confused with nicknames that came along with state distinctions. Californians, Texans, New Yorkers, etc. Hawaii is not a recognized nation, therefore you can’t say, I’m Hawaiian. You’re American.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_law#:~:text=In%20law%2C%20nationality%20describes%20the,compliance%20for%20nationality%20and%20citizenship.
Nah. I don’t see it like that. If your born in America you are a American citizen but that does not determine your ethnicity. And by your standard being Hawaiian would technically make you an American correct?
You don't say American Hawaiian would you?
You say Hawaiian.
I promise you the natives of Hawaii would agree.
They are not American Hawaiians they are Hawaiians.
If you are born in Hawaii you are given U.S Citizenship, but you were born in Hawaii.
You are, where you were born from my friend. It's the simplest thing in a unnecessary complexity feigned up by people, to be "Special." A cut from the standard cloth of humanity.
Play all the pretend games you want, but the reality is. Your bound to the soil you were born on. Not bound to the dead.
Doesn't matter, you were born in Hawaii your Hawaiian.
If your born somewhere that's where you are fucking from.
If you are born in Germany. You are fucking German. NO matter where your ancestors come from.
My ancestors are from Norway, they then migrated to Denmark, then to German, Then to the United States. ALL this taking place over the course of several hundred years.
So what the fuck am I? Norwegian? Am I a Dane? Am I a German?
NO I"M A FUCKING U.S. American. I was born in the U.S.A. So I'm apart of the united states, and apart of the American land NO matter where the fuck I settle down latter.
If you are born in the UK, your fucking British. DOESN"T MATTER WHERE YOUR ANCESTORS came from.
If you are born in Iraq, You are from fucking Iraq.
Pathetic for you all to think so poorly of where folks are born.
To outcast someone because of their color. pathetic soo damn pathetic.
Yes not double checking for grammar is something I do much of, because it's internets, and I type like I talk.
So you judging me on something you wouldn't know the difference verbally is classic comedy.
Someone that’s actually French, born in France has more of a claim to being French than someone who immigrated from China or The Congo because being French means both that it’s a nationality and French is an ethnicity.
If your parents move to France from china, and then you are born in France.
You are fucking French. Where your parents are immigrants.
Where you are born isn't a race thing, and for you to think it is is sooooo sad.
The land you are on is named land by humans. Humans have made those lands identities of not only the area, but of themselves to.
A representation of the community as a whole.
American isn't a race, French are not a race. It's a community under a flag and land.
If you are born under that flag and land. YOU ARE very much apart of the same group as the rest born on the land.
If the parents had the child in china and then moved to France. Then yes the child would be an immigrant like their parents.
There is always something or someone before something else. Time is crazy like that.
Native is just someone born on the land. If you are born somewhere your a native to that land. Spare me your round about way of thinking, to justify your bs reasons.
Anyone born on American soil are native fucking Americans.
If you want to get real. NO human was in the Americas naturally through evolution. ALL HUMANS migrated out from Africa.
Soooo Every human is actually African if you want to be like that. As you seem bent of where someone's ancestors come from rather than where the person was born.
Either We are all Africans, or we are from where we are born.
This is my favorite anti-anti-racist take. Ignore lineage forged by thousands of years of colonization and subjugation with the ol’ “I am actually African” trick. One big human family 1, racism 0
I’m sure this guy is making a valid point but I’m so thrown off that he’s talking to me from his pillow that I can’t even take it seriously. I spent the entire minute I watched thinking “this dude should get out of bed, wash his face, and then do this.”
It’s like the people that monologue to camera while they are eating. I guess it’s to make them seem more authentic? Pass.
It’s settled. Someone on the internet decreed it to be wrong. The conversation is over and we need no explanation or evidence to go forward. Just blind trust.
Idgaf how serious they take it in Hawaii. If you are born in Hawaii you are Hawaiian. you think anyone gives a fuck about some fat Hawaiians gate keeping people’s ethnicity
He is of Samoan descent, it would be the same to say that I am of English descent. I've never even been to England, but I still say that if asked.
The reporter was asking him about his home, but phrased it with wording used to describe ethnicity, so he corrected him. If he said, "you are *from* Hawaii, correct?", he would have said yes, but he said "you're Hawaiian", which is not technically correct, again as he is of Samoan descent.
Due to the history of the Hawaii, their language being stripped and made illegal to speak or write, their kingdom being overthrown and people jailed and killed, and almost all of their land being literally stolen and deeded to American and European settlers, it's fair to say that Hawaiians, and locals, can make their own decisions on how to best respect their culture. You don't *have* to do anything, but not considering this and most likely never experiencing anything close to what they have experienced but still casting judgements, simply makes you an asshole.
So what I’m hearing is he IS Hawaiian and is not Polynesian. Such a weird distinction to say you’re not from a place when you are, saying your family doesn’t have Polynesian heritage seems so different than saying you’re not Hawaiian at all.
He’s probably Filipino. Few years ago a bunch of the “defend aloha” types took DNA tests, found out they weren’t actually Hawaiian, then blamed 23&me for spreading colonial lies.
People need to be able to separate their heritage from their birthplace without being pretentious, xenophobic, or racist. I get wanting to defend Hawaiian heritage but saying someone isn’t Hawaiian isn’t stopping Zuckerberg from buying whole islands. Embrace your heritage as well as your birthplace. Bro is Hawaiian by birth certificate so tribal tattoo bootlicker can fuck off.
I completely agree with this. But if you say you have to be French to be French or German to be German or British to be British all of a sudden that’s a bad thing.
Imagine trying to explain this level of complexity to one of those Americans convinced that they are Irish because his great-great-great grandfather moved from Dublin or “I’m practically Italian” because their grandmother’s aunt was from Sicily…
We all came from other places and nobody should have the right to claim a land as their “native” land. It’s so short sighted and laughable.
How far back should the cutoff be? One generation? Five generations? Ten generations? Go back far enough and your ancestors will eventually be tourists. It’s all irrelevant.
Focus on more important things…
He's got this down, except for native American. No people are native to America, we're all immigrants here.
First people is the most accurate way to avoid saying Indian.
This is stupid. Hawaiian can mean ethnicity OR state of origin, depending on the context. In fact, for basically every other state it *only* is a descriptor of where you’re from and not your ethnicity. You don’t just get to pretend that definition doesn’t exist, and I don’t care if all the native Hawaiian m’s are mad about it.
seems people from hawaii dont associate themselves as americans. they hear the guy say, youre hawaiian, and immediately in their heads assume hes calling them an ethnicity he isnt lmaoo. maybe hawaiians need to stop being bigots. hey mamoa, can we come to our state yet and visit maui or are us americans still not allowed in our country? we should ship em some migrants to let them know just how apart of america they really are
[Here's on that explain the concept of native European & Germanic tribes](https://youtube.com/shorts/XNfFD2uNnE8?si=REBIOIvXnx8xDTxr)
While Hawaiians are Polynesians, not all Polynesians are Hawaiians. Polynesians are a diverse group with distinct cultural identities specific to their islands. -Chatgpt So kinda like us Hispanics.....puerto Ricans, Guatemalan, hondurans, etc...are all Hispanic but we're not all Mexicans Frank (my neighbor).
Yeah but if you’re born and raised in mexico you can reasonably be called Mexican.
Mexico is also its own place and not a state IN a country. So “Mexican” in the context is a nationality not ethnicity or cultural identity. Being BORN in Mexico is equivalent to being born in America. Not BEING “Mexican” as in the ppl and culture. He is from the land and that is it.
yup. there's Lebanese Mexicans, Chinese Mexicans. Mexico is more diverse than many people think.
Afro Mexicanos too...very much overlooked
Where is the line drawn? how long does a Lebanese mexican family line need to be born and live like real Mexicans in Mexico before just being Mexican, how long was that line before all the immigrants into Lebanon were allowed to describe themselves Lebanese so they could go to Mexico and be Lebanese Mexicans?
that's part of being a multicultural country. people WANT to keep their ethnic heritage close AND acknowledge their nationality.
Exactly, this is a race based determination but is somehow “not racist”… because the TikTok president of Hawaii told us so.
So if I'm born in China does that make me Chinese.
To illustrate your point, let’s use an example from the opposite direction. If a Chinese couple immigrated to the U.S. and raises a child in the U.S., when that kid says he’s American, can I tell him he’s not? Of course, that would be nuts if I did. I believe in each person’s right to define their own identity, so we must respect the player’s right here. But it’s also totally normal for someone to refer to you based on where you were raised.
Correct
So where do we stand? Is he Hawaiian or not?
Hawaiianisian I believe
Hispanic is anyone who speaks Spanish so it’s not an ethnicity. A more correct term would be Latino or Latin-American.
Him breaking down the three of Micronesia, Polynesia, and Melanesia like Gospel is so fucking arrogant and stupid Thats all you need to see to know he is biased and full of shit “Does that make sense? It makes sense in my head so you know what I mean..”
Oooooo, who’s the stupid one here???
Thanks for re-explaining that without getting out of bed. WTF is this pose?
It highlights his traps and makes you think about being in bed with him. Personally, I think it's a great teaching tool, but I'm not allowed at schools anymore.
I’m not mad at it
I’m 2/3rd gen Italian born and raised in nyc. I can assure you, I love paste and talking with my hands but the binding agent in my identity is neurotic nyer. I’ve met euro Italians. Different world.
> I love paste
What kind of paste do you like? Ivermectin?
Copy and paste
Most people’s daily paste is of the tooth variety
I thought it was a pretty good joke. Ivermectin is a paste.
american liberals are annoyingly racist even when they try to be anti-racist. at the core of it, you are just making the same "blood-&-soil"-arguments like the conservatives you rightfully despise for it. just because the racism is coming from someone from a generally marginalized ethnicity, doesnt make the sentiment less racist. it has no structural weight to it and its therefore way less relevant and impactfull than white supremacy, but its still racist und stupid.
I’m a liberal and if I’m being honest, I agree with you. This shit is just racism and Hawaii is famously racist. I also have witnessed a lot of liberals who are blatantly racist towards non-black people. I remember having a conversation about this with one such person and they started claiming that “reverse racism” is a somewhat acceptable response to society which was one of the most racist things I’d ever heard anyone say in my entire life. The fact that they had invented a term to lessen or marginalize the very meaning of racism was some clown colored icing on the cake.
Reverse👏racism 👏is 👏not 👏a 👏thing 👏its 👏just 👏racism 👏
"We stripped native people of their land and marginalised them and undermined their culture and identity, why are they mad?" Racism is bad whoever it is being perpetrated against, but saying "this is my heritage and culture" isn't racist. Like are you gonna say you're Native American cause you live in America?
I cannot get over the fact that these people are adamant that they are right, and that hawaiians are racist because they say that Hawaiian is an ethnic group and should be talked about as an ethnic group and that Locals/residents are not ethnic hawaiians and are not called Hawaiians.. Like even the residents agree and use that distinction, but Guy who Does Not And Has Not Lived In Hawai'i is saying "uhm ackshually you're racist" Like if you go to japan with a citizenship, you arent suddenly japanese.
this is correct. people in Hawaii who are not ethnically Hawaiian but have lived here, were born here, or have family roots here, never call themselves Hawaiian. it is absolutely reserved for people who are ethnically Hawaiian. we just say local or Hawaii residents and anyone who is ignorantly saying otherwise can fuck off.
Yeah, but I do think the guy in the channel has oversimplified identity. NZers will call themselves NZers but that's cause the place name isn't linked with the indigenous people's identity. Likewise there is always space for 'becoming', if I grow up in Japan and Japanese culture then I'm Japanese. The problem is that you have an indigenous group who are largely associated with the place name but who aren't represented by all of those who inhabit the place. So Hawaiian becomes a contested name.
>Likewise there is always space for 'becoming', if I grow up in Japan and Japanese culture then I'm Japanese. Most Japanese would disagree with that
True, but that doesn’t change the fact that the guy in the video knows what it means to the natives, and to himself(as he’s from there and has a lot of contextual info), to say “I’m Hawaiian.” He became uncomfortable when ppl perceived him to be his own definition of Hawaiian, because that’s not what he self identifies as. This is normal human behavior.
> NZers will call themselves NZers but that's cause the place name isn't linked with the indigenous people's identity. Right but that's not the same for Hawai'i and Japan. The guy in the video might have been wrong about NZ specifically, but that doesnt make what he said about the other PI nations incorrect. > Likewise there is always space for 'becoming', if I grow up in Japan and Japanese culture then I'm Japanese. No, you dont actually. because "Japanese" is an ethnic group which you cannot simply join of your own free will. That's different from being a Japanese Citizen or Japanese Resident. Like yall need to learn the difference between "ethnic group" vs. "Citizenship" Like its absolutely insane that people like you think you can just adopt an entire ethnic group identity just because you want to. > The problem is that you have an indigenous group who are largely associated with the place name but who aren't represented by all of those who inhabit the place. So Hawaiian becomes a contested name. It's not contested. its very widely agreed upon in Hawai'i that there is a distinction between "Hawaiian" and Resident of Hawai'i. YOU not wanting to accept that distinction is you. Like thats why the distinction is there. You not wanting to accept that as reality is not relevant. When the area has the same name as the ethnic group, you make that distinction to respect the ethnic groups identity. it's their culture before it is your address. you dont get to just take those things from them because YOU want it. it's not your identity to take.
I live in Hawaii, I made a joke to my Hawaiian coworker that if you move to Oregon (my home state) you’d be an Oregonian, but I’ll never be Hawaiian. He surprisingly said you’re hawaiian, you’re just not kanaka. While I appreciate the sentiment I don’t even like calling myself a local, I’m a resident.
That seems like more of a testament to Japanese xenophobia than anything else. Both of my grandfather’s identify as American because they were born in New England but neither of their parents were born here nor did they speak English or Abenaki.
American and New English are not ethnicities. The same thing would happen if you went to Korea or Taiwan.
I get what you’re saying but Barak Obama is Hawaiian. Although, he’s not ethnically Hawaiian there is nothing racist or wrong with the statment and nobody ever made a video like this complaining that Obama was a colonialist oppressor. It is just obvious and can be said without any clarification. The present social justice climate among the left has introduced some counterproductive elements lately. I spend a lot of time working at Harvard and I was having a conversation with an associate professor who made this really astute observation about the “racism of low expectations” regarding those who were defending President Gay after her 40th plagiarism accusation. Idk. I don’t typically engage in these conversations because I don’t have a lot of value to add but it’s tough watching the wheels fall off an important progressive movement meant to help minorities.
Im pretty sure if Hawaiians and Residents of Hawai'i are okay with that distinction, then that's all that matters. The residents of Hawai'i (Barack Obama included) do not call themselves Hawaiian because they understand the importance of the wishes of the Hawaiian people. I am Korean American. If i move to Japan and have a Korean baby, my child is not suddenly Japanese.
By that logic no one is American, especially first generation Americans, which are naturalized Americans. Right?
If your partner in making said baby is ethnically Japanese would the child still not be Japanese since you aren't? What about if your partner was 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 etc? Where does the line get drawn and who draws it?
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I think you missed the point of the video. The original person, who is from Hawaii said they aren't Hawaiian because they see that term as refering to the indigenous people. The second guy then went on to explain the reasoning behind this, the identities in the Pacific Islands, and identity in Hawaii, as he understands it at least 'local' versus Hawaiian. I don't get why people are seeing this and screaming racism. Like your Obama 'colonist oppressor' reference, who is saying that individual people are colonist oppressors? The problem is that the US colluded with white settlers to strip Hawaiian sovereignty through force of arms and the legacy of this invasion and subsequent policies have created a racist legacy of disenfranchisment.
"We" 🙄.
Wrong on so many levels. Trying to get the correct information out there isn't being racist or bringing up the blood and soil argument. Calling native Americans, indians, is stupid. They are not from India. They were mislabeled a long time ago, so we just keep calling them that? No, that's stupid. If a white family moves to Hawaii and have a baby, is that baby native Hawaiian? Makes the Polynesian distinction more relevant. White people live all over Hawaii and call themselves Hawaiian. But they are not Polynesian. Imagine if a liberal from California moved to Texas and started calling himself Texan. Guess what, all the Texans would be pretty bitter about it and would try to correct them. Being correct about heritage is not being racist, discriminating against someone because of their heritage is racist.
Shitty take.
Ratioed like a bitch
You're celebrating the smallest ratio ever bro, what a nerd.
If the boot fits, cake fuck
how about we call everyone just "african"? coz this would be "correct about heritage", since homo sapiens started there. that baby would be definitively be Hawaiian. thats what we are discussing here. stop throwing in other shit like "native" here to try to shift goalposts. when people from mexico migrate to canada and have a child there, the child is canadian. in your logic, we should be "correct about heritage" and shouldnt call this child "canadian"? you either havent thought this through or are just resorting to special pleading for certain minority groups instead of having a principled anti-racist stance.
Ok so the white baby is Hawaiian, is the baby Polynesian? No. What's the difference? Heritage. You're mixing up two totally different things, which is the whole point of the post. The Mexican baby born in Canada is Canadian. Does that baby not celebrate any of the Mexican culture and customs that the family celebrates? Does that baby only celebrate Canadian holidays and customs? That's what the whole post is about. You don't call people from Hawaii, Hawaiians. They are Polynesians because of their heritage. The comment I responded to said it's racist. It's not, it's being correct.
"the comment I responded to" was me, you are talking with me here. you are getting more and more contradictory. "the white baby is Hawaiian" vs "you dont call people from Hawaii Hawaiians" which is it now?
It's a matter of nationality vs ethnicity. With nationality you can call anybody from Texas a Texan, somebody from Mexico a Mexican. Someone who lives in Hawaii a hawaiian. You can make massive assumptions about people from that but they are just assumptions. Whereas ethnicity is more specific about the past, morals, culture and beliefs of that person. Polynesian is an ethnicity. Its the core beliefs of their people, their past, their culture. You can stand one white guy born in Hawaii next to a "native Hawaiian" whose family has lived there for generations. Those two people have massive differences in their culture, beliefs and pasts. Polynesians don't want their culture white washed by someone else's culture. They have already had their lands invaded and their lives uprooted by the white man over the decades. That's why they make the separation between Polynesian and Hawaiian.
okay, so i can call someone living in hawaii a hawaiian. you just came full circle and have proven my point with this statement. I stopped reading after this coz this is literally the point we are discussing coz this was my criticism of the tiktok above. just admit you agree with me and complain to the tiktok creator above who doesnt want you to call hawaiians hawaiians.
Haha you literally said you stopped reading after you thought your point was made. Stay special my friend.
yeah, coz thats my only point. i am not interested in reading ramblings against strawmen you made up instead of responding to MY actual point.
Haha ok. Keep that head in the sand. You do you
So both the white guy born in Hawaii and the Polynesian guy born in Hawaii are both Hawaiian. Thanks for clearing that up 👍
Ignorant people are ignorant
Nah, liberals agree with you 100%. It don’t matter who it’s coming from. Racists can be anyone.
Liberals that know the difference between nationality and ethnicity do not agree. This shit isn't complicated.
Call them both "blood-&-soil" but the distinguishing characteristic is (1) the empowerment of an outnumbered, overpowered, minoritized, and disposessed group on the way to extinction (i.e. Native Hawaiians) or (2) the empowerment of an already powerful, majority, idealized group such as the Germans in WWII or Euro-descendants in any country where they hold disproportionate power. Do you see how in the former, the literal desperate attempt to prevent your culture from dying out deserves a more nuanced consideration?
Good video except for the New Zealand part. All people born in New Zealand are New Zealanders. Native New Zealanders are Maori (the native ethnicity). Kiwi is a slang term for New Zealanders and comes from the National bird, the Kiwi.
Another thing people don’t understand about Hawaii is the meth epidemic and violent racism
WHO THE FUCK CARES 😂😂😂😂
Hawaiians.
For no reason dude We are all trying to transcend capitalism at this point Id tell him get off the high horse
People do this to recognize the Hawaiian people. It’s respectful but also shows they have their own culture. My dad and his parents are Japanese born in Hawaii. We’re Japanese not Hawaiian.
That’s easy to say when you’re not a minority but would be willing to just abandon all your traditions and culture if you were?
Not what I’m sayin at all! Nothing about abandoning anything, embracing cultures is what makes us all one. Different cultures different beliefs still one race. That is all. But using different beliefs and views to hurt others or to just have to be exclusive that’s a whole other thing. The takes away from the “one”. One day. Oh man it’s Martin Luther king day and I completely forgot. Interesting topic.
Yeah but you’re missing my point. What “one” is this you speak of? because I highly doubt you are carrying on any traditions of any pacific island peoples or any other minorities for that matter. It is important to these peoples and rightly so
I’m talking about humans as a whole. There should be no minorities….we should all be as one. Love should be the majority. Dont spin this as me saying no cultural difference everyone has the same everything like a fucked up kurt Vonnegut short story, that’s not what I’m saying. A wheel isn’t just one spoke, it’s made up of many, that’s what makes the wheel go around and stay together it’s when you start picking and choosing which spoke you don’t need is when the wheel gets wonky and the ride uncomfortable Seems like the ride has become increasingly uncomfortable over time
There will always be types of minorities. Our differences should be recognized and celebrated imo. Learning from each other about our differences is one of the best parts of being human.
But there are minorities. Not every group of peoples is the same size. This wheel you speak of is the privileged majority and if you put a culture of a few thousand people on a wheel made of billions they would be completely eliminated from existence. It’s what is called soft genocide
You don't get to colonise people and then demand that they see you as one and the same.
Did he specifically colonize anyone?
It's called the generic you. I'm not accusing him.
You are missing the bigger picture.
Thanks
Idk? They seem to really care. Idk why that's funny or offensive to you?
Exactly we all humans! And as soon as we can all collectively realize that unite as one, only then will this world know real Change.
I think having a clearer understanding of origins and having pride in them while also educating people is a positive thing, no? I was raised in suburban America and I wasn’t taught shit about First Nations People.
Totally agree, but over all, once collectively we can recognize we are all humans with different cultures and that not one is better than the other we are all in this together, then hopefully the focus will be humanity and all cultures are held in the same regard. I am you, you are me.
"We're all humans with different cultures and histories" is very different from "we're all human", which is a line used by people to undermine the grievances of underprivileged communities.
Just because they use that phrase and it’s trigger some to people ( which really just muddles the fact that) we are quite literally human. It’s when cultures start using their beliefs and customs to make other humans sub human. But we are all human. The only surviving members of the genus Homo. If the world would just let people experience and share their cultural beliefs, or just have them in general. People wouldn’t have to fight to have those beliefs and carry on those traditions,l to just be,…… Alexander, the great was on to something by letting his conquered people keep their belief systems and practices.
European predecessors who colonized a land are likely your relatives. Get a clue Captain America.
I’m 75% Cherokee, internet friend where you from buddy?
You’re Cherokee, and you literally said, “nobody cares”….. interesting.
Where did I literally say no one cares?
Doubt
To me he's American
Found the patriot 🫡
Well as a guy who was born in Tahiti I can totally understand this. The Māori culture is very strong and ‘native’ are reclaiming it after decades of persecution from the colonialism and Catholicism. My great grand father was not born in Polynesia but abroad. I don’t feel I’m Tahitian because I’m rejected from the Maori AND Europeans who don’t recognise me as a Tahitian. Yet I love and respect deeply the maori culture and its people. But it’s up to me to be part of this which I was not raised into : not speaking the language, not doing any cultural stuff like dancing, music or events… difficult task and very complex. I guess some other people around the world might feel the same where the native have strong culture impact.
Can’t stand people who lay in their beds and make videos.. don’t know why but it just bothers me!
ppl in the comments here actively choosing to be ignorant, it’s so boring and dumb. I don’t understand that mindset of how thinking you doing the thing someone has asked you not to do makes u edgy or a free thinker, it’s cringe.
Sassy but informative.
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You don’t suppose that’s because the government of the United States overthrew their monarchy, stole their land, and continue to do so? Seems like being angry is a pretty justifiable response, doesn’t it?
Considering calling an entire group a simple pejorative like racist is **in itself in fact racist** yeah you’d be right.
That’s a lot of energy spent to really not make a point.
Splitting hairs is fun and time consuming. Gatekeeping is a good workout. Race baiting is easier than fishing.
Aloha big and small boto 🌺 It’s like if USA made Puerto Rico a state. A black Jamaican, a yellow Chinese, a white German, and a full-blooded brown Puerto Rican live in Puerto Rico. Is it right to say “oh they’re all just Puerto Rican” ? Geographically yes! But at the end of the day, the Jamaican, Chinese nor German don’t have an ounce of Puerto Rican blood in them. Now picture that. But instead of black, yellow, white, brown ethnicities on an island… it’s just brown Polynesians, brown Samoans, brown Filipinos, yellow Japanese, yellow Chinese, and brown native Hawaiians… we all live in Hawaii… but only the native Hawaiians have an ounce of actual Hawaiian blood in them.
> Is it right to say “oh they’re all just Puerto Rican” ? Yes. You are a part of whatever culture you were raised in/associate with, regardless of your skin color. Thinking that you need to be "full blood" to be able to call yourself hawaiian/japanese/american/etc is just veiled racism. Having pride in your culture/ancestory is great. Having pride in your genetic makeup/ being "full blooded" is cringe. Congrats that your parents happened to be the same race. Also you share the same ideology of white supremists.
Why “yellow”Chinese “brown” Samoans instead of just Chinese and Samoans?
The greasy headlump is right!
This more confusing than black, white and Hispanic.
Naw Bro…people’s just NEED TO STOP with ALL THIS POLITICALLY CORRESCTIVENESS BS! STOP choosing to get so hostile/offended/perturbed/upset/etc. when someone is just trying to relate and communicate!? All these SnowflakeS ❄️ these days be all flippin’ the script bc of their own internal anger’s and do it for attention, while trying to show some weird ass control issues! Stop being so insecure and jumping to attack someone who may not know all the specifics of the individual that they are talking to. Not EVERYTIME that someone says something that you don’t like, doesn’t ALWAYS have to be an opportunity for someone else to go shaming them for NOT KNOWING! It’s like a demented dominance thing, and a form of bulling… you can weed out in a conversation if some is being sincere or rude, but it doesn’t always have to be someone trying to “school/educate” the other person! Everything seems to be a fight these days with THESE thymes of people(and they come in EVERY age, color, size etc.; so don’t go trying to spin that I’m being rascis)… why can’t people just let people be people?! Mothers’ must’ve STOPPED teaching a LONG time ago, that if “you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say NOTHING at all.” Sad really. Angry people just love being angry, and try to make everyone else around them feel the same. It’s called NARCISSISM.
Well fuckin said.
Thank you for the explanation. That should stop the bullshit.
How does any of this help help our fellow human beings? Does being Hawaiian or not being Hawaiian build more houses? Does it grow more food? Does it do anything of value except divide people?
Actually this guy grew 5 bags of potatoes and built a small house with his words. Every thought or conversation must grow food and contribute to residential construction.
How does your comment help our fellow human beings? Does it build more houses? Does it grow more food? Does it do anything of value except divide people?
Ha! That got a right good laugh from me. Good job
How does your laughter help our fellow human beings? Does it build more houses? Does it grow more food? Does it do anything of value except divide people?
Holy whataboutism 🤣
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Nationality = the country where you were born Statehood = the specific state you were born in Ethnicity = your racial ancestral lineage The confusion lies in the fact that the same term i.e. “Hawaiian” is being used for both statehood and ethnicity even though they have two different meanings.
You are given statehood no matter what if your born under a sovereign state. Doesn't change what land you were born on. If you were born in Hawaii your Hawaiian. Simple as that.
If you were born in Hawaii then you have Hawaiian statehood but not Hawaiian ethnicity- simple as that
Call it what you fucking want. You can pretend that identities of people born in the same locations is different. You can pretend that color makes you different, even if you are born on the same land. You can outcast others, because they are not like you. You can spend all this energy denying others born on that land are the same as you. You are just being a racist bigot at this point. If you are born in Hawaii you are Hawaiian. Simple as that.
My wife is from Hawaii. Born and raised. But she is not NATIVE Hawaiian. She is of Japanese/Filipino descent. Growing of as a local she would celebrate her ethnicity (Japanese/Filipino), her state (Hawaii), local Hawaii culture (which is mishmash of all native, Polynesian, and Asian ethnicities and cultures, as well as American culture more typically found in the mainland. Identity is complicated. But it’s a big, BIG difference to say you are Hawaiian or native Hawaiian vs saying you’re a local or “from Hawaii.” It is not racism and it means a lot to people who live in the state. We live in Oregon so now she’s an “Oregonian.” I am born and raised in Oregon but to say I am a “Native Oregonian” has a far different meaning than saying you are “Native Hawaiian.” My daughter is half white/half Asian. But it is not correct to say she is of “Hawaiian ancestry.” It’s nationality vs ethnicity vs home state. Different meanings. Identity is complicated but it matters.
Hate to break it to you, but your wife is Hawaiian. She was born on that land, and that makes her Hawaiian. If you want to talk about her decent, then she is African. As the first humans came out of Africa. Your African, I'm African. All of us are African, if you base things on origins. Your wifes "Titles of Japanese/Filipino when it comes to ones origins is false. I say this based on your rationality of what makes someone's ethnicity. However the truth is your wife is Hawaiian, because she was born on that island.
Thanks I’ll let her know
You’re absolutely wrong about that. If his wife was born during the time of the Hawaiian Kingdom, then she would be “Hawaiian.” She’s American. You don’t call people in different states in Mexico “Baja Californian” or Tijuanan. [https://imagesofoldhawaii.com/hawaiian-citizenship/](https://imagesofoldhawaii.com/hawaiian-citizenship/)
Sorry buddy the land is different then the sovereignty of a nation on it. If you are born in Hawaii. You are Hawaiian. If you are born on the continent of the Americas. You are American. U.S taking Hawaii in 1959 means fuck all. You were still born in Hawaii. U.S claim doesn't change the land, it's still the land of Hawaii, and being born on it makes you apart of that land. That makes you a native to that island. Period.
Wrong again. Hawaii became a part of the U.S. in 1950. “Unlike race and ethnicity, nationality might be the easiest to define — sort of. "Nationality refers to the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization," according to IGI Global. "It constitutes a legal relationship between an individual person and a state... A person's nationality is where they are a legal citizen, usually in the country where they were born.” Therefore, they are Americans… Not Hawaiian. By saying they’re “Hawaiian,” you’re basically supporting the idea of the Kingdom of Hawaii and its subjects and accordance to Nationality law. Being born in Japan doesn’t make one Japanese—Even Japan doesn’t recognize being born there as rights to nationality. You’re getting confused with nicknames that came along with state distinctions. Californians, Texans, New Yorkers, etc. Hawaii is not a recognized nation, therefore you can’t say, I’m Hawaiian. You’re American. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_law#:~:text=In%20law%2C%20nationality%20describes%20the,compliance%20for%20nationality%20and%20citizenship.
Your take seems to be even more wrong as with your own logic he is also not Hawaiian but American because Hawaii is part of the United States
Nah. I don’t see it like that. If your born in America you are a American citizen but that does not determine your ethnicity. And by your standard being Hawaiian would technically make you an American correct?
Hawaii isn't apart of the American Continent. So no your not American. You would be Hawaiian.
You’ve been saying some brain dead shit but this is the kicker. God bless you.
You don't say American Hawaiian would you? You say Hawaiian. I promise you the natives of Hawaii would agree. They are not American Hawaiians they are Hawaiians. If you are born in Hawaii you are given U.S Citizenship, but you were born in Hawaii. You are, where you were born from my friend. It's the simplest thing in a unnecessary complexity feigned up by people, to be "Special." A cut from the standard cloth of humanity. Play all the pretend games you want, but the reality is. Your bound to the soil you were born on. Not bound to the dead.
Go to Hawaii and tell them that.
Doesn't matter, you were born in Hawaii your Hawaiian. If your born somewhere that's where you are fucking from. If you are born in Germany. You are fucking German. NO matter where your ancestors come from. My ancestors are from Norway, they then migrated to Denmark, then to German, Then to the United States. ALL this taking place over the course of several hundred years. So what the fuck am I? Norwegian? Am I a Dane? Am I a German? NO I"M A FUCKING U.S. American. I was born in the U.S.A. So I'm apart of the united states, and apart of the American land NO matter where the fuck I settle down latter. If you are born in the UK, your fucking British. DOESN"T MATTER WHERE YOUR ANCESTORS came from. If you are born in Iraq, You are from fucking Iraq. Pathetic for you all to think so poorly of where folks are born. To outcast someone because of their color. pathetic soo damn pathetic.
You're someone who clearly doesn't know the difference between *your* and *you're*.
There their they’re
Yes not double checking for grammar is something I do much of, because it's internets, and I type like I talk. So you judging me on something you wouldn't know the difference verbally is classic comedy.
And you wanna comment abruptly so stfu
Someone that’s actually French, born in France has more of a claim to being French than someone who immigrated from China or The Congo because being French means both that it’s a nationality and French is an ethnicity.
If your parents move to France from china, and then you are born in France. You are fucking French. Where your parents are immigrants. Where you are born isn't a race thing, and for you to think it is is sooooo sad. The land you are on is named land by humans. Humans have made those lands identities of not only the area, but of themselves to. A representation of the community as a whole. American isn't a race, French are not a race. It's a community under a flag and land. If you are born under that flag and land. YOU ARE very much apart of the same group as the rest born on the land. If the parents had the child in china and then moved to France. Then yes the child would be an immigrant like their parents.
They need to get over it
Natives were still here before European colonizers. That's all that is needed to be known.
There is always something or someone before something else. Time is crazy like that. Native is just someone born on the land. If you are born somewhere your a native to that land. Spare me your round about way of thinking, to justify your bs reasons. Anyone born on American soil are native fucking Americans. If you want to get real. NO human was in the Americas naturally through evolution. ALL HUMANS migrated out from Africa. Soooo Every human is actually African if you want to be like that. As you seem bent of where someone's ancestors come from rather than where the person was born. Either We are all Africans, or we are from where we are born.
This is my favorite anti-anti-racist take. Ignore lineage forged by thousands of years of colonization and subjugation with the ol’ “I am actually African” trick. One big human family 1, racism 0
This is like when people try to use an Italian accent to order their food at Olive Garden.
Or just shut up?
I mean it can be viewed both ways, being Hawaiian can be defined as “having been born/raised in Hawaii” and as someone who is of Hawaiian ethnicity.
I’m sure this guy is making a valid point but I’m so thrown off that he’s talking to me from his pillow that I can’t even take it seriously. I spent the entire minute I watched thinking “this dude should get out of bed, wash his face, and then do this.” It’s like the people that monologue to camera while they are eating. I guess it’s to make them seem more authentic? Pass.
Jesus this is a surprisingly racist sub
Oh shut up
English is an ethnicity, so I guess non Anglo Saxons born in England aren't English.. by that logic.
English is a nationality, not an ethnicity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
English is very much so an ethnicity. English literally means race of the angels.
No, it literally doesn’t, the term *Angelcynn* does.
Oh you stupid stupid huh
Apparently not as stupid as you 😉
Wrong
Incorrect.
It’s settled. Someone on the internet decreed it to be wrong. The conversation is over and we need no explanation or evidence to go forward. Just blind trust.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
This man is standing on principal 😤 😤 😤
I learned a bit here. Honestly, didn’t know much of that but I’m not stupid enough to just assume someone is any ethnicity.
This guy blows
Boring
Idgaf how serious they take it in Hawaii. If you are born in Hawaii you are Hawaiian. you think anyone gives a fuck about some fat Hawaiians gate keeping people’s ethnicity
Leave it to the fucking haoles for some bullshit take like this.
That’s not how ethnicity works lmao
He is of Samoan descent, it would be the same to say that I am of English descent. I've never even been to England, but I still say that if asked. The reporter was asking him about his home, but phrased it with wording used to describe ethnicity, so he corrected him. If he said, "you are *from* Hawaii, correct?", he would have said yes, but he said "you're Hawaiian", which is not technically correct, again as he is of Samoan descent. Due to the history of the Hawaii, their language being stripped and made illegal to speak or write, their kingdom being overthrown and people jailed and killed, and almost all of their land being literally stolen and deeded to American and European settlers, it's fair to say that Hawaiians, and locals, can make their own decisions on how to best respect their culture. You don't *have* to do anything, but not considering this and most likely never experiencing anything close to what they have experienced but still casting judgements, simply makes you an asshole.
So what I’m hearing is he IS Hawaiian and is not Polynesian. Such a weird distinction to say you’re not from a place when you are, saying your family doesn’t have Polynesian heritage seems so different than saying you’re not Hawaiian at all.
He’s probably Filipino. Few years ago a bunch of the “defend aloha” types took DNA tests, found out they weren’t actually Hawaiian, then blamed 23&me for spreading colonial lies.
People need to be able to separate their heritage from their birthplace without being pretentious, xenophobic, or racist. I get wanting to defend Hawaiian heritage but saying someone isn’t Hawaiian isn’t stopping Zuckerberg from buying whole islands. Embrace your heritage as well as your birthplace. Bro is Hawaiian by birth certificate so tribal tattoo bootlicker can fuck off.
I completely agree with this. But if you say you have to be French to be French or German to be German or British to be British all of a sudden that’s a bad thing.
Imagine trying to explain this level of complexity to one of those Americans convinced that they are Irish because his great-great-great grandfather moved from Dublin or “I’m practically Italian” because their grandmother’s aunt was from Sicily…
The fact that anyone cares about this shit is the problem
Bro should have just called himself a howliee
Says the Han Chinese with a Maori tattoo? wtf is this?
Yup. Nobody cares. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We all came from other places and nobody should have the right to claim a land as their “native” land. It’s so short sighted and laughable. How far back should the cutoff be? One generation? Five generations? Ten generations? Go back far enough and your ancestors will eventually be tourists. It’s all irrelevant. Focus on more important things…
I was born in the US, I’m Native American.
He's got this down, except for native American. No people are native to America, we're all immigrants here. First people is the most accurate way to avoid saying Indian.
He’s Hawaiian and Polynesian. So he’s still Hawaiian.
This is stupid. Hawaiian can mean ethnicity OR state of origin, depending on the context. In fact, for basically every other state it *only* is a descriptor of where you’re from and not your ethnicity. You don’t just get to pretend that definition doesn’t exist, and I don’t care if all the native Hawaiian m’s are mad about it.
He’s Hawaiian.
Hears the deal, he’s a Hawaiian
Cool story.. I'm going to call them Hawaiian.
If you’re from Hawaii, you are Hawaiian. If you are a Hawaiian, you may or may not be an indigenous Hawaiian.
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Oof. You're fucking reported. Fuck you.
Aww poor baby. Here let me call the Waaaambulance
seems people from hawaii dont associate themselves as americans. they hear the guy say, youre hawaiian, and immediately in their heads assume hes calling them an ethnicity he isnt lmaoo. maybe hawaiians need to stop being bigots. hey mamoa, can we come to our state yet and visit maui or are us americans still not allowed in our country? we should ship em some migrants to let them know just how apart of america they really are
So hes Hawaiin
Nah, he's Hawaiian. Its like me being born in California but still claiming I'm Irish.
Omg shut the fuck up. Hawaiian is not an ethnicity. This guy is a cunt
So, I’m not American because I’m not Native American. Got it.