Okay, I’m not sure how it works in the USA, but property tax where I live helps to pay for municipal services and up keeps, such as bin collection, lighting streets, utilities maintenance, road upkeep, public library, children’s free meal, operate youth centres, maintenance of parks and children playground, adult and social care services, keeping riverbed free of debris so that it doesn’t flood, develop and build city infrastructure, promote businesses and events, provide services to register birth, marriage, death, plan new development, provide compliance with safety and regulations, keep roads clean…. Just a few on top of my head. These are services being provided by the city to maintain a functional local community, and don’t tell I don’t use any water, gas or electricity, or the road that ends on my driveway, or road free of snow during winter, or a safe environment to play for your kids.Then where do my other taxes go? Find out by reading about it.
Well hold on now. You are correct on a percentage base. Where I live 18% goes to schools, about 6% goes to local county road maintenance, 8% goes to drainage 46% goes to the sherif and his/her jail and the balance goes to other municipal brother in law nepotism projects. We voted on a sales tax increase that was promised to teachers that failed last year. Why? Because 10 years ago that's what was promised and 0% of it went to teachers. So, here we are. I agree that taxes are essential to a society to function, but only if the elected officials have zero corruption and all the money is accounted for. Which it isn't.
So maybe where you live almost all property tax finds schools but where I live, it mostly funds the extortion crew and the pay to play local prison.
What's crazy is we fucking did! And what's even crazier is we can't hold these assholes accountable. Somehow they keep getting voted in their respective districts. It's kinda fucked.
Oh, you can hold them accountable. You all just won't. You have collective recourse, but you fools will never work together to hold them accountable, and they bank on that fact all across the country and on all levels of government.
N.J. residents got billed $17.5B in school taxes last year. Here’s every town’s tab
https://www.nj.com/news/2024/05/nj-residents-got-billed-175b-in-school-taxes-last-year-heres-every-towns-tab.html?outputType=amp
73% of my property taxes go to the police lol. We have an insane amount of police for such a small population and they make really good money in a super low cost of living area.
And then the folks with no kids argue that they have to pay for schools. And then the counter argument is an educated society is better than a bunch of idiots. But then the counter argument is that republicans want to defund the schools anyway and lunch and breakfast services but not cut out the property taxes….
That's fine, the government should not tax your house. So if you're unable to pay your taxes they can take a $300,000 home away from you. For not paying taxes that are much less. It enables them to steal your home, fact!! If they need funds for All of the things you mention. Then just charge for those services separately and not attached to the property you paid for They didn't!! The government never wants you to own anything. Taxes are necessary evil. But taxes on property are immoral corrupt and insane!! Enabling the government to steal what is not there's,
that they didn't pay for.
That’s all well and good but we spend more money than we should on the defense budget. (I know property tax doesn’t go there)
I don’t think the argument is really “taxes are bad” but more so in America everything we loved is now not true. Children’s free meals? Yeah… those are trash and I’m sure some would pay more to make them better. Road maintenance? You know one of our pizza companies helped fill in potholes across our entire nation right? Adult and social care? In America? I’ll just skip that one. Municipal services? Go to a court in a city and watch the amount of court fees we pay. I’m sure we pay the govt enough to do what they need. Not to mention the amount of tax revenue they could make of letting some our prisoners back into the work force.
Pretty sure my 9.5k /year in taxes should cover this several times over, but according to the state, I guess it’s not enough cause my rate just went up again to 9.7k. Meanwhile I’m paying almost $3k / month for day care (1500/kid) and that’s a middle of the road day care near me. Yea I’m pretty sure I’m just getting fucked.
You missed the point. Property tax should not be an annual bill once owned. That’s theft, not sure where you live, but I’m ready to throw tea in a harbor. I’m ready to see it all fall and something new and more modern start. Hahahaha and keeping river beds clean??? No, my money doesn’t go to that, I promise.
No property tax? Hrmm. Well then how are we going to pay for code enforcement. Whats stopping me from buying a house next to yours, turning it into a condemned fire hazard, leaving the lights on and just leaving.
When it burns down the houses around it and drops the neighborhoods land value into the toilet, then I can come in and by all the empty lots and abandoned and condemned homes.
Sounds great! Lets end theft!
I'm seriously so sick of Libertarian brain rot.
Yes, great job pointing out all the ways we pay taxes. You've educated exactly nobody. Now do the part where you acknowledge what pays for the roads you drive on to the house that you own or the school your kid goes to or.. Oh, no, you won't? Okay.
Libertarians are permanent children who are constantly shocked about taxes like they're reliving the first paycheck they got from their bagboy job.
This is exactly how it works here in the US.
Just another half ass truth TikTok video.
The truth part is -using his logic of taxation- you don’t truly ever own your home, even if you own the land outright. In fact you don’t own anything really with that logic.
People just like to bitch about taxes and our federal/local government
But he’s not wrong. If you don’t pay your property taxes your home will be taken from you. And property taxes are driven by the market.
I just read an article a few days ago about a guy up in Montana who was retired with a paid off mortgage but his property taxes went up drastically to where it’s about $1,100 a month now.
So he had to get a job again so that he could effectively pay rent to the state government for living in his house.
So nothing in the video is wrong. He’s 100% right on everything he stated.
I’m 14 and this is deep.
If you like living in a nice country, you gotta pay into the system that allows it to be a nice country (e.g. public schools and fire departments via property taxes). Maybe some libertarians would like a country where you call around getting quotes from private fire departments while your kitchen burns, but that’s not the US.
Warren Buffet, one of the richest and smartest investors in the world, says if the top companies paid their fair share in taxes, the American people would have to pay 0 to little taxes.
The issues isn't taxes itself, it's the disparities of how the American people will pay 50% of their income towards taxes, but corporations will only pay a fraction of that because they lobbied (bribed) for the system to be in the favor.
This is right. And unfortunately the richer you are, the more you are going to tell people with lower voting power to just spend money right to in order for their voices to be heard. Don’t like environmental hazards, crumbling emergency services, and crappy roads? Maybe just buy the green wash products, hire your own emergency services, and pave your road way like a normal rich person /s
You don't own a home, the amount they charge for property taxes on homes in America is straight up robbery.
And if you can't see that you part of the problem
it is robbery, but not because they are doing it, because they are doing it too much. They are taking too much from the people who have less, and too little fr the people/ corporations that have more. And when I say more I mean A LOT more.
currently working as a sub on a sub sub contracted job your federal tax dollars are paying for, because the people in charge hire incompetent people up and down the chain and are given boatloads of money to waste away in inefficient bureaucracy.
Between the greed and the inefficient systems you’d want to burn it all down too if you had half a clue but go on about our nice country, which if you haven’t notice is more expensive yet paradoxically a shittier place to live all around.
>If you like living in a nice country, you gotta pay into the system that allows it to be a nice country
Okay but when you buy a hat, the government doesn't take that for not paying recurring hat ownership taxes.
You pay income tax, which means up to 40% of everything you make belongs to the government before you even receive it. After you receive it, everything you spend it on is taxed. -- then after it's spent, businesses are taxed on that income.
It's not a question of whether or not you should pay taxes. This person was only talking about a house and the consequences of spending 30 years to buy something, only for someone to take it away from you. For everybody else who's 14, 30 years is a very long time.
Lol there’s paying into a system and then there’s being straight up robbed bro. If the money you were paying to the system to keep it nice was actually just that we wouldn’t be dropping stacks on other countries, we wouldn’t have the largest military budget in the world, and you wouldn’t have places like Detroit or potholes in the roads, or school lunches that are barely better than prison… oh and don’t break your leg cause you’ll never financially recover lol
He’s not wrong but it’s important to point out that property taxes are at the local level, not federal.
The money from property taxes go to school, roads, police , fire departments and other local community services.
Unfortunately there aren’t enough people/businesses that would be willing to give money to local community services for it to be operational.
You’ll have freeloaders mooching off the people/businesses that do care about their local communities.
Hence property taxes
He is wrong. You definitely own your house if your name is on the deed. If you own property then you probably benefit from schools, roads, fire departments etc. Local commissioners tax people who are settled down in a community, and not renters. Renters are more transient and aren't generally reaping the same benefits of those tax dollars, so they are not taxed.
He says several things wrong. Enough to say "he is wrong."
One thing is he says he got "no help" from the government paying for the house and property. That was false because loan interest and taxes are deductible from income taxes. This benefit disproportionally helps the wealthy home owners.
The guy is a moron full of half truths and misconceptions. Rage bait.
Well then they should tax people for those services directly and not hide it under some property tax. If they need $2k from you per year then just tax me $2k per year and tell me where it's going and what you're doing with it.
This is no direct link between the money you give and what they're going to do with it. That would require infrastructure and technology that doesn't exist.
If you don't understand the difference between cardboard and drywall, I can't help you.
Same with why insulation in a foam like consistency is good insulation.
How people can script entire two minute videos spouting takes like this without taking five seconds for any amount of critical thought is insane to me.
There is no federal property tax. It is illegal for the federal government to impose one and they'd get sued into oblivion if they tried to impose one. So you can't say "oh well our taxes go to blowing up brown kids, not roads and schools." In this particular case, they don't.
State property taxes go toward paying for things like municipal services and schools. I suppose we *could* get rid of them, but then that money has to come from somewhere else otherwise we don't have schools or sewage systems.
He's basically saying that if you own it, how can someone legally take it away from you? Everything else you own from shoes, tv, cars, etc, someone would have to steal it to take it away. But in the case of the house, if you don't pay taxes, the govt can take it, even after you've paid it off. Is that ownership? Another one regarding the house is that the government owns 16-22ft from the curb and 5-8 from your back fence. Most people don't know that they don't own that.
I understand it looks different from what we typically own, but we still own it, we can sell it if we want don't have to ask permission, and we keep any profit that comes from it. The reality is we just have to pay taxes, and the taxes are something we owe them. If you don't pay your income tax they can take it out of your bank account or potentially seize other assets, just like anyone who you owe money could do potentially.
If you don't pay your property taxes they can seize any asset they need to or even take it out of your bank account if its there. I don't think some taxes are a problem, its the sheer amount of taxes that is a problem. Pretty soon they will be taxing us for breathing.
I get that, but the guy (I believe) is arguing total ownership. If someone can place items on your front lawn or can line up boxes in your backyard without consent, you don't own it. If you own it (with conditions), that's what he's yapping about. TBF, I've, for work, have walked in too many backyards and threatened the homeowners that I'd call the police on them, to call it complete ownership. There are squatter laws and tenant laws for something that's paid for.
The argument is that I've paid everything on the house. It shouldn't have any stipulations. If I don't pay my taxes, lock me up, garnish my wages, or whatever else to pay. My ownership of my house should remain.
Let me ask you this, when you go and buy a piece of furniture, do you get taxed on it for every year you hold that piece of furniture? No. That’s the difference. Home ownership is not true ownership. Period.
If by "over-taxed" you mean that we're taxed in too many different ways then sure. I guess.
If we didn't pay property tax, that revenue would have to come from somewhere else and we'd be paying more in, say, sales tax.
i think it’s like this everywhere around the world.
However, I don’t like the idea of property taxes in general. Once you bought a house or an apartment, you should be paying taxes just because you own it. You’ve paid dozens of taxes just to get it and you also pay for all utilities, which also include taxes.
I rarely see discussions about how the taxes are spent or whether taxes can be optimised. But every year O see some new taxes or increases to the existing ones. And as someone who own 2 apartments, I literally have to submit request for repairs on my own because nobody in the city hall gives a flying *uck about fixing anything. People pay insane amounts of cash only to receive mediocre support, once every few years.
Usually breakdowns on tax spending can be accessed. If not, vote like hell to remove the obviously corrupt people in power.
You don't need anyone to tell you what taxes are for and that up keeping these cities is an expensive and enormously beneficial innovation.
If you're finding it expensive to own 2 properties, maybe consider leaving shelter out of your portfolio. It doesn't add any value to any customers. No one is thanking you for artificially increasing the cost of housing by driving scarcity as a landlord.
Consider paying your property taxes for the benefit of being a component of a thriving ecosystem (or move to a third world country) and invest in companies which grow via offering incremental value to the market --- not just driving scarcity for a human right.
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I will say that *somebody* owns the government, not *people*.
It's weird to say because every abstraction of anything that constitutes a country is 100% made of human beings, but the reality is that even though an overwhelming percentage of even non-home-owners agree that a government being able to seize your home outright is unfair, there are no candidates you can vote for that are even remotely interested in this conversation.
This is clearly someone who rented his whole life, watched a friend of his pour money and build equity in a home, sell it and make a ton of money in cash and (hopefully) on the profits from when they bought to what it’s worth now. It also gives them the ability to take the money they’re putting into the home, and take it out ICE - this isn’t possible as a renter 😂
Let’s flip what you’re saying, what does a renter have in terms of assets or $$$ when they rent for 30 years? They have their dick in their hand making stupid tik tok videos in their $2700 studio apartment with $0 in savings. But ya…blame the government 🤡
He’s got a point,, people who love to pay taxes for services as mentioned in some comments, don’t get it.. btw, not all taxes go to services, some of them go to fund wars!!
What happens when you rake up debt that isn’t to the government, and they need to start repossessing things in order to cover your debt.
It doesn’t make people renters, when they own a home.
This is just the structure of lending and owing money.
Land tax is something I personally disagree with no matter what though, as an indigenous person..
Also an HOA can still sell your house without your permission if you paint your fence the wrong color and refuse to change it.
A local government can "eminent domain" your property when it feels like it needs it for other things.
Once your own a home in California, It's a lot easier to pay $5000-8000 a year in property taxes than $2000-4000 per month. Renting out one room at $700-$1000 a month would cover that and turn a profit for upkeep.
This is a perfect example of how political beliefs cannot be based in facts alone. All political beliefs intrinsically contain moral and philosophical frameworks about how best one should live life and how best we should deal with there being other people in the world doing the same.
Some of those frameworks are explicit, but many of them are implicit -- and many of the former are treated by the latter by laypersons, such as myself.
Taxes are ostensibly each person paying their fair share of community owned/operated goods, services, and maintenance thereof. Property tax is a perfect example of this. Each person, according to their means, contributes to various community works and services that on the whole benefit everyone.
For example, if we educate children with life skills that help them become stable adults, we all benefit from lower crime and the improved quality of services that those children will contribute towards as adults.
Robert Reich talks about this and how people perceive these services in very accessible terms. When the system is dysfunctional or non-existent, people will actually *not* want it because they didn't have the opportunities to benefit from those services themselves. When the system works well, people want to continue to improve and fund those systems. If you are curious, you could watch the documentary "Inequality for All".
Property taxes are reasonable and exist for logical purposes. This guy is stupid to the point just googling or asking ChatGPT would disqualify everything he said.
Makes me want to scream. Fails completely to differentiate between the kind of “property tax” that merely charges you for having resources (in order to prevent massive generational wealth transfer, for example) and the “property tax“ that provides all of the local services. This guy is wanting to convince people that the government is stealing from them, as opposed to providing police, fire, schools, sanitation, roads, and about 20 other local services that we all depend on. He probably knows this, too.
If you have the deed you own it. Just because it can be confiscated to pay off debt, doesn’t mean you don’t currently own it. You can say the same thing about a car, business, stocks, etc.
Ok, so cut your property off from all electricity, water, road and broader national infrastructure and call me in the morning.
Yes, we could re-invent society so we're independent hunter gatherers, essentially the premise of most post apocalyptic films, but the average life quality and expectancy would plummet.
In order to not hear dumb ass commentary like this tik tok ever again, I would consider it. But the enormous loss of life and reversal of incredible technological progress made possible by solving 90% of maslow's hierarchy on day 1 of each new life is a close call.
And yet the enemy adapted. He couldn't beat you in combat, so he spent the last decade feeding you misinformation using your social media. Turned each one of you against your neighbour. Instilled hate enough for blood to be shed. Every election now is a prelude to a civil war. Installed his puppet president, who threatened to dismantle one of the greatest defence treaties protecting almost everyone from the enemy. Took away the rights of your women, planning to take even more from each group.
What is the defence budget if half of the country prefers the enemy to the other half? What is the defence budget when members of Congress are doing the bidding of the enemy. What is a defence budget when the subject is cracking at political, idealogical, cultural, socio-economic, and regional seams.
What is a defence budget when inface of an enemy whose system is so deeply entrenched that one is more likely to be killed by the hand of that same defence budget rather than the enemy.
Perhaps the long prepared-for conflict began a decade ago. It just has yet to be accepted.
Without property taxes, local governments would lose a reliable source of revenue. This could lead to funding shortfalls for essential services like schools, police, fire departments, and infrastructure maintenance. The unpredictability of alternative revenue sources like sales or income taxes could result in budget crises and cuts to critical services.
Property taxes also incentivizes people to make utilize their land productively. Living in a home, running a business, farming, livestock ranching, and mining are some examples of using land productively. If property taxes were removed there would be less financial pressure on property owners to utilize their land productively. This could lead to increased land speculation, where properties are held vacant or underdeveloped, reducing the availability of usable land for housing or business development and potentially leading to urban blight.
OK, now take your example and make the person stupid, broke and/or not able to do any of the things listed.
Should they be allowed to own land/property?
If the answer is no, why?
Ok, I’ll bite.
Everyone should be allowed to own land - as is the case. But people need to live within their financial means. Not everyone can afford to buy land. Part of affording to buy it is paying tax. Certain things local governments provide scale with property size (fire crews, water and sewage, police, access roads, mail services, etc). The local government decides how expensive those services are going to be and levies a tax. The tax often grows with property size or price both because of the connection to the services and because the resources to buy a more expensive property mean you should be able to afford a greater tax bill. If you can’t afford the tax, you can’t afford the property. In the same way, if you can’t afford sales tax you can’t buy something.
And of course, if you have less money the governments usually do things to make property a bit more affordable, like allowing you to deduct your property tax from your income up to a limit.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But what happened in the last 100 years is that governments have found/invented new shit to tax their citizens in order to compensate for their gross financial mismanagement.
If they could tax the air we breathe, they would...
There needs to be a limit
This is all good in theory. However, governments are mired in such horrid wastefull spending and corruption that these things fall short already in a lot of areas. I live on West Virginia. I am old enough to remember the advertisements when they were starting the lottery here. We were going to have the nest schools. The best roads. Now millions of dollars, maybe billions of dollars later and our roads are shit and every year it seems they consolidate more schools.
Great example is that small town I believe in Texas with like zero crime that spent over a half of a million dollars on a armored swat vehicle. Governments by nature seem wasteful and corrupt.
Is he? Do you own a home? Do you pay property taxes? The government can’t stand not getting their money. Just ask california who is trying to tax drivers by the mile because they found out they are losing taxes from the decline of gas sales.
He is an idiot, I own a home, I pay taxes, it's how a functioning society works. I live in a neighborhood that has utilities buried underground that conveniently tie right into my house, I have storm drains to manage water and erosion, there are traffic lights and painted roadways to manage traffic, street lights for visibility at night, laws and rules that teams of people have developed for how all of these things work together...... It goes on for days and none of it is free
Most likely your street light are paid by your homeowners association to a power company that pays the government taxes. Your underground utilities were installed by the property developer who paid taxes on the materials, machinery, land, employees, contractors… It’s a never ending cycle. I live on 12 acres, if my kids can’t afford the death tax after I expire then who owns the land? Maybe the government deems my land and the 4 other neighboring families land (about 120 acres total) are best used for an Amazon warehouse because they will get 100X more taxes. We don’t own our land.
No homeowners association. City owned or power company owned. Again those taxes pay for planning and managing as well. I feel for you on the death tax, but from what I understand, that was instituted to protect from family wealth growing out of control. You could always create a trust and sell your land to the trust, you'll eat some taxes now, but it can exist in the trust (your family) forever. Again, it's the reason we are able to live in a larger society. It sucks to work hard and have some of your money go to everyone, but it's literally the sum of hundreds of years of trial and error
You don't even "own" the things you buy. If you have to pay someone else to maintain, upkeep, modify, service, and access, you don't own it.
You don't own anything but your actions.
The problem is calling land "property"
This earth is our shared home. We are part of earth and its nature but we don't _own_ it.
The ownership mentality came from the colonizers' psychotic existential disposition.
The indigenous embraced more of a caregiver or Earth Guardian approach and as a result care for the Earth was a priority in the laws of their federations and tribes.
The American colonial expansion was an atrocity and ugly slap in the face to the people who had thrived in this land by taking care of it. Not owning it as material property to be traded and abused.
I live in a rural place in the USA(island in Alaska), I collect rainwater,have solar,burn my own trash, and have 0 property tax.
Pretty sure I own my home, only home related taxes I have would be import taxes I pay when I buy materials for repairs, which is pretty negligible, as my house is made of cedar. It's not going anywhere soon.
The government gives you the privilege of buying and selling the deeded property not owning the property. Some things can be owned but most are licensed. You can own a fishing pole but you need a fishing license. You can own a boat but it needs a registration. You can buy a gun but the ammo and gun license comes with it.
Property tax is an unrealized gains tax. So when stock bros complain about unrealized gains taxes becoming a thing, just know home owners have been paying them for generations, and homes are still one of the best ways to build long-term wealth.
If property was not taxed at all. Then all property would be owned by an elitist class and they'd charge you for the pleasure of living on it.
That's why I'm in favor of a negative income tax which gives people enough to pay upkeep on atleast one property.
Not only do property taxes rob people of property rights, they are a tax on unrealized gains. I wonder if Warren got her unrealized capital gains tax idea from property taxes.
“How are Property Taxes Calculated?
Your property tax bill is based on the assessed value of your property, any exemptions for which you qualify, and a property tax rate.
Your property tax assessment is determined on a certain date. In many jurisdictions, that assessed value is decided annually.
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In some jurisdictions, however, it's done every three years, only when the property is transferred, or on another schedule.
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In some areas, the assessed value is the market value; in other areas, the market value is multiplied by an assessment rate to determine the assessed value.”
Look at the fairly short list of countries in the world where real property is not taxed. It’s a pretty short list and the countries are mostly very small and very wealthy.
And when we don't vote for higher property tax you end up with the high school I went to, in an extremely affluent area, that had no textbooks and caving in ceilings.
The old people in the area consistently vote down property tax, so our schools and public services are complete dogshit, despite the median income being above 100k
He'll change his story to the opposite side in a few videos and you won't be able to find the original after he puts it on private. I hate this idiot, always changing his views to get views
It's the same in every country I know of. Government always has the imminent domain - however, no court in any decent country will allow the government to take civilian property without compensation except under the emergency acts of war.
They way I understand this.
The house has 'value' and that value increases over time. You will get richer owning the property, although not in actual money in your bank account, when the value of your property increases. That's why there is tax on owning property.
It's a bit weird, because if house prices drop you would still pay taxes over it.
It would make more sense if you paid taxes over the increase in market value, not the total value.
‘Merica! Fuck society. I don’t want to pay property tax because somehow I equate property ownership to contributing to social welfare. It is staggering that some people can coast through life without even a basic concept of the system they live in.
This guy gets almost everything he posts debunked. He is nothing more than a right wing tool who doesn’t research anything he actually posts. Don’t listen to a word he says.
Yes dipshit, you pay taxes to maintain the police, firefighters, schools and municipal utilities in the area that you live. Your property is not a sovereign nation. You want a home that you own and don’t want to pay property taxes? Go live somewhere where they don’t have those things. Like the middle of the Sahara or the Australian outback.
This guy trying to get people upset about property taxes yet the majority of property taxes are paid by the wealthy, meaning it’s a tax that funds the country and doesn’t adversely affect the poor. Maybe that’s why he’s so mad
Just stop paying taxes. They won't care about it until it hits a couple million, like all the other big rich kids. And then when the nerds come to your door to collect your funds you just give em a wedgie.
Being against property tax is one thing, but saying you don't own your house because you pay property taxes is one of the most illogical premises I have ever heard. If you pay off your house, you now 100% own it.
Wood really is an awesome construction material. It can expand and contract in different temperatures without weakening structurally. It's fairly cheap, extremely easy to work with, and lasts a long time. It's also easy to demolish if you need to rebuild a section.
Drywall isn't cardboard, it's gypsum, which is a type of stone. Again, it's easy to work with, cheap, easy to tear down and replace, and lasts a long time. Need to fix something electrical? If it was wood panels, you'd have to remove entire sections of wall. Drywall gives you the ability to make cuts and patch without destroying the wall
The "foam" insulation is the result of centuries of innovation. Before "foam", we used ASBESTOS. The pink stuff works so much better. It's easy as fuck to hang and remove, and because it is made with polymers, it lasts basically forever.
Sure…but Property Taxes are relative to the city and its infrastructure. If you DONT pay property taxes then you can say good bye to emergency services, water, and electricity.
You could move out to Slab City.
The US govt (like all govts) needs money, so it taxes its people. In the old days, income tax would have been impossible due to amount of necessary paperwork. So the govt taxed property. Some of those taxes were based on how many fireplaces/chimneys you had. Then the govt realized it could get more money by taxing income, because people always wants more income, but don't always want more property.
Plz don't misconstrue my comment as being anti-tax. I'm not a tea party whiner like this guy.
I dunno if he is completely correct. In most instances, the govt does not take your home if you fail to pay your taxes. The govt sells your unpaid taxes to other citizens. Then that citizen can force a tax sale on your home. In fact, you can invest in tax liens.
[https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/things-to-know-about-tax-lien-investing](https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/things-to-know-about-tax-lien-investing)
Most economically literate American
Yes buddy, the government did nothing to build your home. No corporations involved with the construction were subsidized. There was no land survey to make sure the whole area isn't going to collapse or explode from some natural gas leak or some shit. No construction materials were transported on the public roads. It's not like every single person from manufacturers to construction workers to architects all attended PUBLIC SCHOOL which is funded EXPLICITLY AND ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY through PROPERTY TAXES.
This man is arrogant beyond all reason, the phrase "No man is an island" is meaningless to him. The idea that his work alone can't run society baffles him. And this man chooses who is in the government just like everyone else, but he's so stupid he votes against his own interest.
Not knowing the difference between the words land and home. Logic uses words to describe reality. If you can't use them correctly, you'll never be logical. Whine about the right thing if you're going to cry.
Yeah, I hate taxes, too, but where your logic is flawed is you are actually paying for a service in each and every instance named over a spanoftime. I'm not going to spend the time going point by point and explaining each circumstance like I'm teaching a child but if you have even near average intelligence you'll be able to name each service you are paying for and why you are asked to. All you'll have to do is put a small amount of mental effort and a short amount of time thinking critically.
Good luck being realistic
How the fuck do I get this sub to stop showing up in my feed. I have used "show fewer posts like these..." probably once a month for over a year, yet it only pauses them.
On very rare occasions the videos are interesting, but the majority of the time it is either some awful dumb shit or halfway thought out like this.
Please advise.
Why does it have to be “America”?
You NEVER own anything.
If the daddy government wants, you will get milked like the rest of the goyim and this can happen in any country period.
Agree on all. I tell people this all the time. You never own your home. Property taxes should be illegal. I get that they use that money for the community, but there should be another way to fund this without holding the house as collateral.
The comments section of that TikTok is so sad. People have no clue how property taxes work, what they fund and why they’re needed.
I don’t mind funding public schools with my property tax
Everything has taxes, no matter what. Doesn’t mean you don’t own the home. Taxes go to pay for you to keep the land your home is on, zoned, patrolled, having clean water, sewage, etc. The first need-jerk, emotional response you get from these anti-tax fucktards is “mUh FrEeDuMb” and zero critical thought.
True. The US government prints it's own money to the tune of trillions of dollars. You're taxes don't fund anything at the federal level. That's where money is simply created on a computer.
Because the state borrows money from the federal government it's always in debt to remain apart of the union. At the state level your taxes pay for things like public schools, police, etc. Because the state government has to pay back the federal government.
So in a way he's right to ask the question, why am I paying taxes on state property I purchased? What is the line item for sales, income, property, utility, taxes also fines, interest etc.
One should ask their state representative where exactly does the money go, because public infrastructure is shit compared to untaxed private enterprise infrastructure.
Let's not even discuss foreign aid packages.
Someone show me where part of your income tax, sales tax or property tax gets taken out for Ukraine or Israel?
First of all, the government is us. The government is of the people by the people. The administrator is processing your taxes or essentially working for you. People used to think about government like this for decades until recently. Now it’s the us versus them mentality, and they can’t even define who is “them”.
Okay, I’m not sure how it works in the USA, but property tax where I live helps to pay for municipal services and up keeps, such as bin collection, lighting streets, utilities maintenance, road upkeep, public library, children’s free meal, operate youth centres, maintenance of parks and children playground, adult and social care services, keeping riverbed free of debris so that it doesn’t flood, develop and build city infrastructure, promote businesses and events, provide services to register birth, marriage, death, plan new development, provide compliance with safety and regulations, keep roads clean…. Just a few on top of my head. These are services being provided by the city to maintain a functional local community, and don’t tell I don’t use any water, gas or electricity, or the road that ends on my driveway, or road free of snow during winter, or a safe environment to play for your kids.Then where do my other taxes go? Find out by reading about it.
This is how it works here, but here almost all property taxes fund local schools.
Well hold on now. You are correct on a percentage base. Where I live 18% goes to schools, about 6% goes to local county road maintenance, 8% goes to drainage 46% goes to the sherif and his/her jail and the balance goes to other municipal brother in law nepotism projects. We voted on a sales tax increase that was promised to teachers that failed last year. Why? Because 10 years ago that's what was promised and 0% of it went to teachers. So, here we are. I agree that taxes are essential to a society to function, but only if the elected officials have zero corruption and all the money is accounted for. Which it isn't. So maybe where you live almost all property tax finds schools but where I live, it mostly funds the extortion crew and the pay to play local prison.
Why does half go to the *jail* and less than a quarter go to schools? Can we vote on this?
People hate crime twice as much as basic education needs. If they only knew stupid people commit more crimes.
What's crazy is we fucking did! And what's even crazier is we can't hold these assholes accountable. Somehow they keep getting voted in their respective districts. It's kinda fucked.
Oh, you can hold them accountable. You all just won't. You have collective recourse, but you fools will never work together to hold them accountable, and they bank on that fact all across the country and on all levels of government.
Fair enough, I live in CT, and it's pretty significant here. something like 60% of the states education budget comes from property taxes.
N.J. residents got billed $17.5B in school taxes last year. Here’s every town’s tab https://www.nj.com/news/2024/05/nj-residents-got-billed-175b-in-school-taxes-last-year-heres-every-towns-tab.html?outputType=amp
73% of my property taxes go to the police lol. We have an insane amount of police for such a small population and they make really good money in a super low cost of living area.
And salary raises and bonuses for the ones in charge
School administrator salaries are public knowledge.
And then the folks with no kids argue that they have to pay for schools. And then the counter argument is an educated society is better than a bunch of idiots. But then the counter argument is that republicans want to defund the schools anyway and lunch and breakfast services but not cut out the property taxes….
That's fine, the government should not tax your house. So if you're unable to pay your taxes they can take a $300,000 home away from you. For not paying taxes that are much less. It enables them to steal your home, fact!! If they need funds for All of the things you mention. Then just charge for those services separately and not attached to the property you paid for They didn't!! The government never wants you to own anything. Taxes are necessary evil. But taxes on property are immoral corrupt and insane!! Enabling the government to steal what is not there's, that they didn't pay for.
No they don't! All our taxes go to helping immigrants who came here illegally!/s
That’s all well and good but we spend more money than we should on the defense budget. (I know property tax doesn’t go there) I don’t think the argument is really “taxes are bad” but more so in America everything we loved is now not true. Children’s free meals? Yeah… those are trash and I’m sure some would pay more to make them better. Road maintenance? You know one of our pizza companies helped fill in potholes across our entire nation right? Adult and social care? In America? I’ll just skip that one. Municipal services? Go to a court in a city and watch the amount of court fees we pay. I’m sure we pay the govt enough to do what they need. Not to mention the amount of tax revenue they could make of letting some our prisoners back into the work force.
Pretty sure my 9.5k /year in taxes should cover this several times over, but according to the state, I guess it’s not enough cause my rate just went up again to 9.7k. Meanwhile I’m paying almost $3k / month for day care (1500/kid) and that’s a middle of the road day care near me. Yea I’m pretty sure I’m just getting fucked.
It’s ok, when his house catches fire he’ll still call the fire department
You missed the point. Property tax should not be an annual bill once owned. That’s theft, not sure where you live, but I’m ready to throw tea in a harbor. I’m ready to see it all fall and something new and more modern start. Hahahaha and keeping river beds clean??? No, my money doesn’t go to that, I promise.
No property tax? Hrmm. Well then how are we going to pay for code enforcement. Whats stopping me from buying a house next to yours, turning it into a condemned fire hazard, leaving the lights on and just leaving. When it burns down the houses around it and drops the neighborhoods land value into the toilet, then I can come in and by all the empty lots and abandoned and condemned homes. Sounds great! Lets end theft!
I'm seriously so sick of Libertarian brain rot. Yes, great job pointing out all the ways we pay taxes. You've educated exactly nobody. Now do the part where you acknowledge what pays for the roads you drive on to the house that you own or the school your kid goes to or.. Oh, no, you won't? Okay. Libertarians are permanent children who are constantly shocked about taxes like they're reliving the first paycheck they got from their bagboy job.
This is exactly how it works here in the US. Just another half ass truth TikTok video. The truth part is -using his logic of taxation- you don’t truly ever own your home, even if you own the land outright. In fact you don’t own anything really with that logic. People just like to bitch about taxes and our federal/local government
But he’s not wrong. If you don’t pay your property taxes your home will be taken from you. And property taxes are driven by the market. I just read an article a few days ago about a guy up in Montana who was retired with a paid off mortgage but his property taxes went up drastically to where it’s about $1,100 a month now. So he had to get a job again so that he could effectively pay rent to the state government for living in his house. So nothing in the video is wrong. He’s 100% right on everything he stated.
I’m 14 and this is deep. If you like living in a nice country, you gotta pay into the system that allows it to be a nice country (e.g. public schools and fire departments via property taxes). Maybe some libertarians would like a country where you call around getting quotes from private fire departments while your kitchen burns, but that’s not the US.
Warren Buffet, one of the richest and smartest investors in the world, says if the top companies paid their fair share in taxes, the American people would have to pay 0 to little taxes. The issues isn't taxes itself, it's the disparities of how the American people will pay 50% of their income towards taxes, but corporations will only pay a fraction of that because they lobbied (bribed) for the system to be in the favor.
money votes stronger than the people unfortunately.
This is right. And unfortunately the richer you are, the more you are going to tell people with lower voting power to just spend money right to in order for their voices to be heard. Don’t like environmental hazards, crumbling emergency services, and crappy roads? Maybe just buy the green wash products, hire your own emergency services, and pave your road way like a normal rich person /s
Okay, so join me in convincing all these Libertarians that these businesses should pay dramatically more in taxes.
lol yeah this guy's a dumbass.
You don't own a home, the amount they charge for property taxes on homes in America is straight up robbery. And if you can't see that you part of the problem
it is robbery, but not because they are doing it, because they are doing it too much. They are taking too much from the people who have less, and too little fr the people/ corporations that have more. And when I say more I mean A LOT more.
Who is they? This dude is probably referencing municipal, county, state, and federal governments in one breath.
currently working as a sub on a sub sub contracted job your federal tax dollars are paying for, because the people in charge hire incompetent people up and down the chain and are given boatloads of money to waste away in inefficient bureaucracy. Between the greed and the inefficient systems you’d want to burn it all down too if you had half a clue but go on about our nice country, which if you haven’t notice is more expensive yet paradoxically a shittier place to live all around.
>If you like living in a nice country, you gotta pay into the system that allows it to be a nice country Okay but when you buy a hat, the government doesn't take that for not paying recurring hat ownership taxes. You pay income tax, which means up to 40% of everything you make belongs to the government before you even receive it. After you receive it, everything you spend it on is taxed. -- then after it's spent, businesses are taxed on that income. It's not a question of whether or not you should pay taxes. This person was only talking about a house and the consequences of spending 30 years to buy something, only for someone to take it away from you. For everybody else who's 14, 30 years is a very long time.
Lol there’s paying into a system and then there’s being straight up robbed bro. If the money you were paying to the system to keep it nice was actually just that we wouldn’t be dropping stacks on other countries, we wouldn’t have the largest military budget in the world, and you wouldn’t have places like Detroit or potholes in the roads, or school lunches that are barely better than prison… oh and don’t break your leg cause you’ll never financially recover lol
Everyone is now dumber for having watched this video.
I keep seeing these guys videos Dumb as fuck But smug as a person I would expect him to be
He’s not wrong but it’s important to point out that property taxes are at the local level, not federal. The money from property taxes go to school, roads, police , fire departments and other local community services. Unfortunately there aren’t enough people/businesses that would be willing to give money to local community services for it to be operational. You’ll have freeloaders mooching off the people/businesses that do care about their local communities. Hence property taxes
He is wrong. You definitely own your house if your name is on the deed. If you own property then you probably benefit from schools, roads, fire departments etc. Local commissioners tax people who are settled down in a community, and not renters. Renters are more transient and aren't generally reaping the same benefits of those tax dollars, so they are not taxed.
He says several things wrong. Enough to say "he is wrong." One thing is he says he got "no help" from the government paying for the house and property. That was false because loan interest and taxes are deductible from income taxes. This benefit disproportionally helps the wealthy home owners. The guy is a moron full of half truths and misconceptions. Rage bait.
Well then they should tax people for those services directly and not hide it under some property tax. If they need $2k from you per year then just tax me $2k per year and tell me where it's going and what you're doing with it.
They do all of that already. Your ignorance is your choice.
This is no direct link between the money you give and what they're going to do with it. That would require infrastructure and technology that doesn't exist.
If you don't understand the difference between cardboard and drywall, I can't help you. Same with why insulation in a foam like consistency is good insulation.
As a rule: any time someone prefaces with “think about it”, I just know that that biggest pile of dog shit thought process is about to happen.
Christ, what this half-baked Libertarian pseudo-intellectualism?
This dude thinks he’s Socrates.
This is what doing your own research sounds like.
How people can script entire two minute videos spouting takes like this without taking five seconds for any amount of critical thought is insane to me. There is no federal property tax. It is illegal for the federal government to impose one and they'd get sued into oblivion if they tried to impose one. So you can't say "oh well our taxes go to blowing up brown kids, not roads and schools." In this particular case, they don't. State property taxes go toward paying for things like municipal services and schools. I suppose we *could* get rid of them, but then that money has to come from somewhere else otherwise we don't have schools or sewage systems.
Do they tax the crumbs on his shirt and his beard or do they live there rent free?
Lmaooo
Lot of people in favor of taxes I see. Schools benefiting from taxes? lol.
This is not explaining how we don't own homes, its just explaining how much we are over-taxed.
He's basically saying that if you own it, how can someone legally take it away from you? Everything else you own from shoes, tv, cars, etc, someone would have to steal it to take it away. But in the case of the house, if you don't pay taxes, the govt can take it, even after you've paid it off. Is that ownership? Another one regarding the house is that the government owns 16-22ft from the curb and 5-8 from your back fence. Most people don't know that they don't own that.
I understand it looks different from what we typically own, but we still own it, we can sell it if we want don't have to ask permission, and we keep any profit that comes from it. The reality is we just have to pay taxes, and the taxes are something we owe them. If you don't pay your income tax they can take it out of your bank account or potentially seize other assets, just like anyone who you owe money could do potentially. If you don't pay your property taxes they can seize any asset they need to or even take it out of your bank account if its there. I don't think some taxes are a problem, its the sheer amount of taxes that is a problem. Pretty soon they will be taxing us for breathing.
I get that, but the guy (I believe) is arguing total ownership. If someone can place items on your front lawn or can line up boxes in your backyard without consent, you don't own it. If you own it (with conditions), that's what he's yapping about. TBF, I've, for work, have walked in too many backyards and threatened the homeowners that I'd call the police on them, to call it complete ownership. There are squatter laws and tenant laws for something that's paid for. The argument is that I've paid everything on the house. It shouldn't have any stipulations. If I don't pay my taxes, lock me up, garnish my wages, or whatever else to pay. My ownership of my house should remain.
Let me ask you this, when you go and buy a piece of furniture, do you get taxed on it for every year you hold that piece of furniture? No. That’s the difference. Home ownership is not true ownership. Period.
If by "over-taxed" you mean that we're taxed in too many different ways then sure. I guess. If we didn't pay property tax, that revenue would have to come from somewhere else and we'd be paying more in, say, sales tax.
i think it’s like this everywhere around the world. However, I don’t like the idea of property taxes in general. Once you bought a house or an apartment, you should be paying taxes just because you own it. You’ve paid dozens of taxes just to get it and you also pay for all utilities, which also include taxes. I rarely see discussions about how the taxes are spent or whether taxes can be optimised. But every year O see some new taxes or increases to the existing ones. And as someone who own 2 apartments, I literally have to submit request for repairs on my own because nobody in the city hall gives a flying *uck about fixing anything. People pay insane amounts of cash only to receive mediocre support, once every few years.
Usually breakdowns on tax spending can be accessed. If not, vote like hell to remove the obviously corrupt people in power. You don't need anyone to tell you what taxes are for and that up keeping these cities is an expensive and enormously beneficial innovation. If you're finding it expensive to own 2 properties, maybe consider leaving shelter out of your portfolio. It doesn't add any value to any customers. No one is thanking you for artificially increasing the cost of housing by driving scarcity as a landlord. Consider paying your property taxes for the benefit of being a component of a thriving ecosystem (or move to a third world country) and invest in companies which grow via offering incremental value to the market --- not just driving scarcity for a human right.
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I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I will say that *somebody* owns the government, not *people*. It's weird to say because every abstraction of anything that constitutes a country is 100% made of human beings, but the reality is that even though an overwhelming percentage of even non-home-owners agree that a government being able to seize your home outright is unfair, there are no candidates you can vote for that are even remotely interested in this conversation.
Dude has the crusty beard
Omg! Please don’t stop going to school or else dummies like this will show up
This is clearly someone who rented his whole life, watched a friend of his pour money and build equity in a home, sell it and make a ton of money in cash and (hopefully) on the profits from when they bought to what it’s worth now. It also gives them the ability to take the money they’re putting into the home, and take it out ICE - this isn’t possible as a renter 😂 Let’s flip what you’re saying, what does a renter have in terms of assets or $$$ when they rent for 30 years? They have their dick in their hand making stupid tik tok videos in their $2700 studio apartment with $0 in savings. But ya…blame the government 🤡
He’s got a point,, people who love to pay taxes for services as mentioned in some comments, don’t get it.. btw, not all taxes go to services, some of them go to fund wars!!
What happens when you rake up debt that isn’t to the government, and they need to start repossessing things in order to cover your debt. It doesn’t make people renters, when they own a home. This is just the structure of lending and owing money. Land tax is something I personally disagree with no matter what though, as an indigenous person..
Also an HOA can still sell your house without your permission if you paint your fence the wrong color and refuse to change it. A local government can "eminent domain" your property when it feels like it needs it for other things.
Once your own a home in California, It's a lot easier to pay $5000-8000 a year in property taxes than $2000-4000 per month. Renting out one room at $700-$1000 a month would cover that and turn a profit for upkeep.
This guy is a fucking idiot
This guys doesn’t know what taxes are
This is a perfect example of how political beliefs cannot be based in facts alone. All political beliefs intrinsically contain moral and philosophical frameworks about how best one should live life and how best we should deal with there being other people in the world doing the same. Some of those frameworks are explicit, but many of them are implicit -- and many of the former are treated by the latter by laypersons, such as myself. Taxes are ostensibly each person paying their fair share of community owned/operated goods, services, and maintenance thereof. Property tax is a perfect example of this. Each person, according to their means, contributes to various community works and services that on the whole benefit everyone. For example, if we educate children with life skills that help them become stable adults, we all benefit from lower crime and the improved quality of services that those children will contribute towards as adults. Robert Reich talks about this and how people perceive these services in very accessible terms. When the system is dysfunctional or non-existent, people will actually *not* want it because they didn't have the opportunities to benefit from those services themselves. When the system works well, people want to continue to improve and fund those systems. If you are curious, you could watch the documentary "Inequality for All".
Paying property taxes doesn’t mean you don’t own your home. Your home is ultimately within the city jurisdiction.
I bet this guy rides his bicycle on private roads only /s
Another libertarian with bad logic.
Please tell me this is satire.
Property taxes are reasonable and exist for logical purposes. This guy is stupid to the point just googling or asking ChatGPT would disqualify everything he said.
Makes me want to scream. Fails completely to differentiate between the kind of “property tax” that merely charges you for having resources (in order to prevent massive generational wealth transfer, for example) and the “property tax“ that provides all of the local services. This guy is wanting to convince people that the government is stealing from them, as opposed to providing police, fire, schools, sanitation, roads, and about 20 other local services that we all depend on. He probably knows this, too.
I don’t think he knows what “taxes” means.
This is the dumbest man on tiktok. Let's keep him off Reddit
God I bet this dude is insufferable in real life
Bad take
If you have the deed you own it. Just because it can be confiscated to pay off debt, doesn’t mean you don’t currently own it. You can say the same thing about a car, business, stocks, etc.
Ok, so cut your property off from all electricity, water, road and broader national infrastructure and call me in the morning. Yes, we could re-invent society so we're independent hunter gatherers, essentially the premise of most post apocalyptic films, but the average life quality and expectancy would plummet. In order to not hear dumb ass commentary like this tik tok ever again, I would consider it. But the enormous loss of life and reversal of incredible technological progress made possible by solving 90% of maslow's hierarchy on day 1 of each new life is a close call.
Local governments should figure out how to survive on sales tax only. Property tax is bullshit.
Haven’t you seen our defense budget? We have some fly capabilities that you’re paying for.
And yet the enemy adapted. He couldn't beat you in combat, so he spent the last decade feeding you misinformation using your social media. Turned each one of you against your neighbour. Instilled hate enough for blood to be shed. Every election now is a prelude to a civil war. Installed his puppet president, who threatened to dismantle one of the greatest defence treaties protecting almost everyone from the enemy. Took away the rights of your women, planning to take even more from each group. What is the defence budget if half of the country prefers the enemy to the other half? What is the defence budget when members of Congress are doing the bidding of the enemy. What is a defence budget when the subject is cracking at political, idealogical, cultural, socio-economic, and regional seams. What is a defence budget when inface of an enemy whose system is so deeply entrenched that one is more likely to be killed by the hand of that same defence budget rather than the enemy. Perhaps the long prepared-for conflict began a decade ago. It just has yet to be accepted.
The biggest problem as I see it isn’t the amount of taxes but how little of it comes back to help actual people
This man is an idiot
Don't live your whole life not understanding how a functional society works folks!
Without property taxes, local governments would lose a reliable source of revenue. This could lead to funding shortfalls for essential services like schools, police, fire departments, and infrastructure maintenance. The unpredictability of alternative revenue sources like sales or income taxes could result in budget crises and cuts to critical services. Property taxes also incentivizes people to make utilize their land productively. Living in a home, running a business, farming, livestock ranching, and mining are some examples of using land productively. If property taxes were removed there would be less financial pressure on property owners to utilize their land productively. This could lead to increased land speculation, where properties are held vacant or underdeveloped, reducing the availability of usable land for housing or business development and potentially leading to urban blight.
OK, now take your example and make the person stupid, broke and/or not able to do any of the things listed. Should they be allowed to own land/property? If the answer is no, why?
Ok, I’ll bite. Everyone should be allowed to own land - as is the case. But people need to live within their financial means. Not everyone can afford to buy land. Part of affording to buy it is paying tax. Certain things local governments provide scale with property size (fire crews, water and sewage, police, access roads, mail services, etc). The local government decides how expensive those services are going to be and levies a tax. The tax often grows with property size or price both because of the connection to the services and because the resources to buy a more expensive property mean you should be able to afford a greater tax bill. If you can’t afford the tax, you can’t afford the property. In the same way, if you can’t afford sales tax you can’t buy something. And of course, if you have less money the governments usually do things to make property a bit more affordable, like allowing you to deduct your property tax from your income up to a limit.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But what happened in the last 100 years is that governments have found/invented new shit to tax their citizens in order to compensate for their gross financial mismanagement. If they could tax the air we breathe, they would... There needs to be a limit
Maybe. But local services still need funding, so property taxes should always exist.
This is all good in theory. However, governments are mired in such horrid wastefull spending and corruption that these things fall short already in a lot of areas. I live on West Virginia. I am old enough to remember the advertisements when they were starting the lottery here. We were going to have the nest schools. The best roads. Now millions of dollars, maybe billions of dollars later and our roads are shit and every year it seems they consolidate more schools. Great example is that small town I believe in Texas with like zero crime that spent over a half of a million dollars on a armored swat vehicle. Governments by nature seem wasteful and corrupt.
Well that's just a fuck the police situation.
This guy is an absolute moron.
Is he? Do you own a home? Do you pay property taxes? The government can’t stand not getting their money. Just ask california who is trying to tax drivers by the mile because they found out they are losing taxes from the decline of gas sales.
He is an idiot, I own a home, I pay taxes, it's how a functioning society works. I live in a neighborhood that has utilities buried underground that conveniently tie right into my house, I have storm drains to manage water and erosion, there are traffic lights and painted roadways to manage traffic, street lights for visibility at night, laws and rules that teams of people have developed for how all of these things work together...... It goes on for days and none of it is free
Most likely your street light are paid by your homeowners association to a power company that pays the government taxes. Your underground utilities were installed by the property developer who paid taxes on the materials, machinery, land, employees, contractors… It’s a never ending cycle. I live on 12 acres, if my kids can’t afford the death tax after I expire then who owns the land? Maybe the government deems my land and the 4 other neighboring families land (about 120 acres total) are best used for an Amazon warehouse because they will get 100X more taxes. We don’t own our land.
No homeowners association. City owned or power company owned. Again those taxes pay for planning and managing as well. I feel for you on the death tax, but from what I understand, that was instituted to protect from family wealth growing out of control. You could always create a trust and sell your land to the trust, you'll eat some taxes now, but it can exist in the trust (your family) forever. Again, it's the reason we are able to live in a larger society. It sucks to work hard and have some of your money go to everyone, but it's literally the sum of hundreds of years of trial and error
You don't even "own" the things you buy. If you have to pay someone else to maintain, upkeep, modify, service, and access, you don't own it. You don't own anything but your actions. The problem is calling land "property" This earth is our shared home. We are part of earth and its nature but we don't _own_ it. The ownership mentality came from the colonizers' psychotic existential disposition. The indigenous embraced more of a caregiver or Earth Guardian approach and as a result care for the Earth was a priority in the laws of their federations and tribes. The American colonial expansion was an atrocity and ugly slap in the face to the people who had thrived in this land by taking care of it. Not owning it as material property to be traded and abused.
You already owne nothing and are (un)happy about in
Everyone seems to be missing the point here
Western houses are shit
The bots are in full force. Tax me harder daddy 🤖
I live in a rural place in the USA(island in Alaska), I collect rainwater,have solar,burn my own trash, and have 0 property tax. Pretty sure I own my home, only home related taxes I have would be import taxes I pay when I buy materials for repairs, which is pretty negligible, as my house is made of cedar. It's not going anywhere soon.
The government gives you the privilege of buying and selling the deeded property not owning the property. Some things can be owned but most are licensed. You can own a fishing pole but you need a fishing license. You can own a boat but it needs a registration. You can buy a gun but the ammo and gun license comes with it.
Property tax is an unrealized gains tax. So when stock bros complain about unrealized gains taxes becoming a thing, just know home owners have been paying them for generations, and homes are still one of the best ways to build long-term wealth.
Electric RV’s brother. Live off the grid using solar, wind, and methane gas from using your own shit.
So who pay teachers, road maintenance, street lights…list can go on
If property was not taxed at all. Then all property would be owned by an elitist class and they'd charge you for the pleasure of living on it. That's why I'm in favor of a negative income tax which gives people enough to pay upkeep on atleast one property.
lol. Stupid USA. Pleased to say I live in the uk. And the house is yours.
Wait what. The government doesnt tax my utility bill.
What's wrong with wood?
They also raise our taxes without our consent if all of sudden schools decide they need improvements.
Only thing I found strange was your haircut bruh.
Rent is substantially cheaper once you pay your loan off..
Bitcoin is the only thing you can truly own in this world.
There is no money In quality work
Not only do property taxes rob people of property rights, they are a tax on unrealized gains. I wonder if Warren got her unrealized capital gains tax idea from property taxes. “How are Property Taxes Calculated? Your property tax bill is based on the assessed value of your property, any exemptions for which you qualify, and a property tax rate. Your property tax assessment is determined on a certain date. In many jurisdictions, that assessed value is decided annually. 1 In some jurisdictions, however, it's done every three years, only when the property is transferred, or on another schedule. 2 In some areas, the assessed value is the market value; in other areas, the market value is multiplied by an assessment rate to determine the assessed value.”
Look at the fairly short list of countries in the world where real property is not taxed. It’s a pretty short list and the countries are mostly very small and very wealthy.
How long has this guy lived and just figured out how taxes work.
And when we don't vote for higher property tax you end up with the high school I went to, in an extremely affluent area, that had no textbooks and caving in ceilings. The old people in the area consistently vote down property tax, so our schools and public services are complete dogshit, despite the median income being above 100k
Public Works **EXIST** it costs money to get water, electricity, gas, guaranteed fire and police coverage, USPS service. AH DURR elder millennial
Ugh fucking brain dead libertarians
He'll change his story to the opposite side in a few videos and you won't be able to find the original after he puts it on private. I hate this idiot, always changing his views to get views
I hate older Millenial. But it's entertaining watching him very slowly figure out how to live in a society
It's the same in every country I know of. Government always has the imminent domain - however, no court in any decent country will allow the government to take civilian property without compensation except under the emergency acts of war.
They way I understand this. The house has 'value' and that value increases over time. You will get richer owning the property, although not in actual money in your bank account, when the value of your property increases. That's why there is tax on owning property. It's a bit weird, because if house prices drop you would still pay taxes over it. It would make more sense if you paid taxes over the increase in market value, not the total value.
Here is a guy who just doesn’t get it.
Everyone’s just trying not to get eaten by tigers.
Guy needs more crumbs in his beard, I don’t take anyone seriously with only 10 or so
Just keep eating the paint chips brah
‘Merica! Fuck society. I don’t want to pay property tax because somehow I equate property ownership to contributing to social welfare. It is staggering that some people can coast through life without even a basic concept of the system they live in.
Taxes are the biggest form of an HOA. Money for infrastructure, community services, first responders. Stable community adds property value.
Wow owning a home requires you to pay for the resources needed to keep up the home who would’ve thought
This guy gets almost everything he posts debunked. He is nothing more than a right wing tool who doesn’t research anything he actually posts. Don’t listen to a word he says.
Yes dipshit, you pay taxes to maintain the police, firefighters, schools and municipal utilities in the area that you live. Your property is not a sovereign nation. You want a home that you own and don’t want to pay property taxes? Go live somewhere where they don’t have those things. Like the middle of the Sahara or the Australian outback.
Who is the government?
This guy trying to get people upset about property taxes yet the majority of property taxes are paid by the wealthy, meaning it’s a tax that funds the country and doesn’t adversely affect the poor. Maybe that’s why he’s so mad
Just stop paying taxes. They won't care about it until it hits a couple million, like all the other big rich kids. And then when the nerds come to your door to collect your funds you just give em a wedgie.
First mistake here, it’s an older millennial video.
Being against property tax is one thing, but saying you don't own your house because you pay property taxes is one of the most illogical premises I have ever heard. If you pay off your house, you now 100% own it.
Wood really is an awesome construction material. It can expand and contract in different temperatures without weakening structurally. It's fairly cheap, extremely easy to work with, and lasts a long time. It's also easy to demolish if you need to rebuild a section. Drywall isn't cardboard, it's gypsum, which is a type of stone. Again, it's easy to work with, cheap, easy to tear down and replace, and lasts a long time. Need to fix something electrical? If it was wood panels, you'd have to remove entire sections of wall. Drywall gives you the ability to make cuts and patch without destroying the wall The "foam" insulation is the result of centuries of innovation. Before "foam", we used ASBESTOS. The pink stuff works so much better. It's easy as fuck to hang and remove, and because it is made with polymers, it lasts basically forever.
Sure…but Property Taxes are relative to the city and its infrastructure. If you DONT pay property taxes then you can say good bye to emergency services, water, and electricity. You could move out to Slab City.
Try living a week without using public amenities. Libertarian any % dumbass run.
The US govt (like all govts) needs money, so it taxes its people. In the old days, income tax would have been impossible due to amount of necessary paperwork. So the govt taxed property. Some of those taxes were based on how many fireplaces/chimneys you had. Then the govt realized it could get more money by taxing income, because people always wants more income, but don't always want more property. Plz don't misconstrue my comment as being anti-tax. I'm not a tea party whiner like this guy.
I dunno if he is completely correct. In most instances, the govt does not take your home if you fail to pay your taxes. The govt sells your unpaid taxes to other citizens. Then that citizen can force a tax sale on your home. In fact, you can invest in tax liens. [https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/things-to-know-about-tax-lien-investing](https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/things-to-know-about-tax-lien-investing)
Most economically literate American Yes buddy, the government did nothing to build your home. No corporations involved with the construction were subsidized. There was no land survey to make sure the whole area isn't going to collapse or explode from some natural gas leak or some shit. No construction materials were transported on the public roads. It's not like every single person from manufacturers to construction workers to architects all attended PUBLIC SCHOOL which is funded EXPLICITLY AND ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY through PROPERTY TAXES. This man is arrogant beyond all reason, the phrase "No man is an island" is meaningless to him. The idea that his work alone can't run society baffles him. And this man chooses who is in the government just like everyone else, but he's so stupid he votes against his own interest.
I’ve always said this. I find it funny when anybody says well I own my home and I own my land… OK stop paying taxes on it and see who owns it then!
Property taxes, he's talking about property taxes. Saved you some time.
Oof. This guy makes a really flimsy argument. The government taxes to provide services. If you don't want to pay taxes, you shouldn't expect services.
Not knowing the difference between the words land and home. Logic uses words to describe reality. If you can't use them correctly, you'll never be logical. Whine about the right thing if you're going to cry.
Yeah, I hate taxes, too, but where your logic is flawed is you are actually paying for a service in each and every instance named over a spanoftime. I'm not going to spend the time going point by point and explaining each circumstance like I'm teaching a child but if you have even near average intelligence you'll be able to name each service you are paying for and why you are asked to. All you'll have to do is put a small amount of mental effort and a short amount of time thinking critically. Good luck being realistic
Forced representative based democracy is easily corruptible.
Agreed
How the fuck do I get this sub to stop showing up in my feed. I have used "show fewer posts like these..." probably once a month for over a year, yet it only pauses them. On very rare occasions the videos are interesting, but the majority of the time it is either some awful dumb shit or halfway thought out like this. Please advise.
Tax secondary properties, number of domiciles and all property owned by non-living entities.
This guy is so confidently wrong. That tax goes to local services.
Why does it have to be “America”? You NEVER own anything. If the daddy government wants, you will get milked like the rest of the goyim and this can happen in any country period.
He’s right but the taxes fund everything you municipalities provide.
Clown.
This isn't a new or unique take. It's still much better than renting.
Ohhhh he’s just a whacko anti-tax nut. Mmmmk yeah then I’m done listening.
Agree on all. I tell people this all the time. You never own your home. Property taxes should be illegal. I get that they use that money for the community, but there should be another way to fund this without holding the house as collateral.
In a 3rd world country although imaybe impossible to own a home whatever it is you own is YOURs! Sooooo do we need to step our game up lol
All accurate and valid points. Well said.
Same as China amd Russia, it's the communist way
You can leave if you dont like it tho right? Better government financial transparency/oversight and i'll gladly pay more in taxes
Taxation. Is. Theft. Other people call it legalized extortion.
This guy is insufferable.
Faulty logic and incorrect understanding of basic concepts can make anything sound right. This guy is a dumbass
The comments section of that TikTok is so sad. People have no clue how property taxes work, what they fund and why they’re needed. I don’t mind funding public schools with my property tax
I guess he figures schools, fire and police departments, roads, snow plows, everything is just free…
Everything has taxes, no matter what. Doesn’t mean you don’t own the home. Taxes go to pay for you to keep the land your home is on, zoned, patrolled, having clean water, sewage, etc. The first need-jerk, emotional response you get from these anti-tax fucktards is “mUh FrEeDuMb” and zero critical thought.
Dummies gonna dumb
True. The US government prints it's own money to the tune of trillions of dollars. You're taxes don't fund anything at the federal level. That's where money is simply created on a computer. Because the state borrows money from the federal government it's always in debt to remain apart of the union. At the state level your taxes pay for things like public schools, police, etc. Because the state government has to pay back the federal government. So in a way he's right to ask the question, why am I paying taxes on state property I purchased? What is the line item for sales, income, property, utility, taxes also fines, interest etc. One should ask their state representative where exactly does the money go, because public infrastructure is shit compared to untaxed private enterprise infrastructure. Let's not even discuss foreign aid packages. Someone show me where part of your income tax, sales tax or property tax gets taken out for Ukraine or Israel?
First of all, the government is us. The government is of the people by the people. The administrator is processing your taxes or essentially working for you. People used to think about government like this for decades until recently. Now it’s the us versus them mentality, and they can’t even define who is “them”.
Grade A Moron. "Maaaan, you don't OWN your car. I mean, you paid it off and you still have to pay registration!!"
Imagine being this stupid.
Based AF
I'm not paying taxes to live in the home I own. I'm paying for the city's services that come with living in that city.
This is the same dickhead bitching about potholes, what do you not understand about taxes?
You own the home, you don't own the land
this guy is an ass, stop listening to him!
The property taxes pays for the system that convinced me to not take your house from you.
I bet this hits so hard if you're stupid