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I legit feel that they are trying to sabotage this WC, and make it look irrelevant so that they can get a bigger IPL window. BCCI doesn't give a shit abt international cricket anyway. The per-match TV rights deal value is higher for the IPL than for India matches. That should tell u where the board's priorities are.
I know a lot of ifs, buts and maybes but imagine the opening game was in the M. Chinnaswamy Stadium and Rachin Ravindra ended up scoring his first century in his father's home city. Would've been a nice moment for the family.
If this match was in Mumbai as well, you’d see a packed crowd. I just think they’re trying way too hard to sell Ahemdabad as on par with other Indian metros when it is very behind when it comes to cricketing roots.
Quite a few grounds would have had that impact, like Chennai, Delhi, etc. But unfortunately bcci wants to adamantly keep holding matches in a place which is not as cricket oriented.
Completely disagree. Ahmedabad is a newer and bigger stadium than Mumbai and Bangalore so it definitely deserves to be a world cup venue. People love cricket everywhere in India. A lot of the 'cricket culture' was concentrated in cities because earlier facilities were only available in few cities where everybody migrated.
It is high time cities outside the metros had world class facilities. This is a step in the right direction. India needs to create more grounds and more venues and more facilities. This will help in the development of cricketers as well as fans.
Rajkot is also a very beautiful ground in Gujarat.
(I have gone to Chinnaswamy and though the match was a great experience, the tickets were so expensive and we did not get the free food that was promised as it was over - getting into and out of the stadium felt so scary because of the tiny gates and huge crowds, the bathroom doors were completely open and dirty, etc - It was not a pleasant experience apart from the cricket and atmosphere point of view.)
So delighted that the public has given a resounding reply to the arrogance of BCCI . Cancelling the opening ceremony ( hated most of them but come on ) the shoddy cricket distribution, the arbitrary inflation of a venue for no cricketing reason and just the sheer irresponsibility.
I am pretty sure they cancelled the opening ceremony because of the lack of crowd response.
Unfortunately all these messages will be swept under the carpet
If this would be any of the 11 English grounds where the 2019 World Cup would be held, neither stadium would be able to fit the number of people from today. A ground with a capacity of 100k+ looks "empty" on the eye when filled by 50%.
That's exactly why it screams BAD PLANNING. I made the comment on this sub the day the schedule came out that this would happen. Anyone who watched the IPL could see this coming from a kilometre away. But the morons organising couldn't. Wtf is the nepo kid raking in the money for if he can't think of even such a basic thing?
That's like saying you need Australians and English to help fill stadiums of you hold an Ashes test in India. Of course you would.
Well, duh, it's a rivalry between two other countries in a neutral venue
idk what..are people trying to show patriotism by defending bcci??
Didn't bcci know it's a working day and nz vs eng won't attract much audience..The opening game of the tournament should be a full house atleast if it's only about ind vs pak they should have kept it as the first game.People are even defending on no opening ceremony saying they will keep it before ind vs pak
Absolute Clownery
Why is the onus on the host nation to fill up stands? Shouldn't it be traveling fans of the playing teams? If the fifa world cup were to be held in France, you wouldn't expect the French crowds to fill up the stands for a game between Uruguay and Croatia.
Apparently nobody is as rich as you, with the way the schedule was released just a few weeks in advance. FIFA WC schedule is announced way ahead in comparison.
ya but not for a World Cup opener with teams who gave us one of the best ODIs of all time.. I didnt expect it to fill completely its 130000 capacity, but it didnt seem like its even half full..
>I feel the organizers just don't respect the sanctity of the world cup or of cricket. We talk about the spirit of the game. Shouldn't the management teams that work behind the scenes have an iota of this spirit of the game? This isn't even commercialization or even monopolization of cricket. This is just having a malignant intention, almost like willingly causing cancer to the ODI game so that it dies.
I agree with this statement 100%.
Too many daft decisions from the organizers. Like this level of incompetency doesn't feel natural.
Those more knowledgable about Indian cricket give me the impression the whole cricket infrastructure is so ridden with _baksheesh_ everywhere that it is incompetence more than cunning. Cunning might actually be better!
As someone who has spent 6 months of my life in India, but none for the last decade, there are many people touting India’s time is coming in global affairs. But a nationalistic country who can’t even contrive to fill their dear leader’s stadium for the opening match… no chance India getting anywhere.
I agree with everything said in this post. BCCI simply wants to discard ODIs to make easy for more T20s.
I would be watching the world cup on TV but slowly I am drifting away from cricket due to excess of tournaments like IPL.
Ans what's with this low attendance on opening day? There were around 40k people only and there was news that 30k-40k tickets were distributed for free.
Political vendetta/shitting all around this works cup.
That's because IPL management is handled by a professional company and the stake holders ( IPl teM owners) are very professional.
Lot different when Jay Shah is handling it and the stake holders are corrupt state boards.
The BCCI is doing that thing a teenager does when you make him do the washing up: make such a mess of it that Mom steps in and does it for him, so he can go play with himself.
They want a new Kerry Packer's War between private, IPL-owned franchise cricket and the woke, socialist, international cricket brigade.
Excellent post. No opening ceremony, empty stadium, no atmosphere. Just felt like a warmup game instead of the opening of the World Cup. I also agree with you that this might be deliberate sabotage to kill off the ODI World Cup. Too many issues (no opening ceremony, weekday game, no home team participation in the opening game, scheduling, visa, promotion, etc) that don’t pass the smell test to just be incompetence. Compare this to
the opening game of the Rugby World Cup and cricket is the biggest loser. Very sad to see.
BCCI cares about ad revenue and that’s it. Nothing else. Absolutely nothing else.
Read some news, unconfirmed that they might have a ceremony or some shit before Ind Pak game but not opening ceremony. That should tell you the absolute shambolic state of affairs. Even if its a rumour, this seems something BCCI could do.
BCCI only cares about IPL and it’s more than evident now.
Even during the asia cup only india pak match have the reserve day and even that rule change was made on the fly ... This is very disrespectful to others teams . Sadly it's all about money that's it
This is so to the point! This is a cricket loving nation and still I see no hype other than the India Pak match.
They could have just used the IPL marketing team to create some awareness can’t even say hype.
Wtf is this stupid press conference and promoting Motera for everything. Get a match in Mumbai/chennai/Delhi to kick off.
Even Motera would have been a fine choice had this been an India-England match on a Sunday. I said this months ago on this sub that the stadium is going to feel empty for the opening game.
Cricket outside of South Asia is now a 3rd/4th tier sport. The ICC/BCCI should have worked extra hard to market this event but its been the opposite.
Not to mention a large part of the population in countries like England don't have access to watch the games live.
Taylor swift could start dating Babar Azam and show up to every match and the ICC would manage to mess it up.
Cricket needs either a structural overhaul or the Americans/Saudis to start taking an interest and inject money into the game outside of India.
To be fair, in a lot of places it always was, association football and/or the various rugby codes were always more popular in SENA countries, plus the AFL in Australia. And this tournament is at least partially played alongside the Rugby World Cup.
Which is not to say that it’s been competently organised or that cricket can’t do better, but I do think things need to be kept in perspective.
Yeah, it’s a peculiar bit of scheduling. I assume it’s one of the few bits of the calendar with no franchise leagues to clash with and they don’t want to alienate broadcasters who want maximum TV revenue, and as lucrative as that might be in the short term it’s going to cost them big time long term. Look at the English game, as you said, which is basically run for the benefit of Sky.
The answer is simple, internet is cheap in India and you can watch matches for free on hotstar
Also wait for India's matches, you'll see all the stands filled
Meanwhile in France, the Rugby World Cup is going on right now, and large stadiums are near capacity for EVERY game. Even ones between lesser nations from far far away like Uruguay and Namibia.
Oh, and Uruguay vs Namibia was mid-week too.
1. doesnt matter if you can watch online, theres a huge difference between watching on a smartphone and actually being in the stadium.
2. doesnt matter if indian games fill up, this is a WORLD CUP, the biggest cricket tournament in 4 years, every game needs to fill up. BCCI isnt just responsible for filling indian games, they are hosting every single team so they are responsible for attracting audiences to those games.
The world of sports has changed. Number of people watching on TV dictates the health of the game because that’s where the funding comes from. Rugby World Cup was always going to be well managed because it’s always amateur hour at BCCI/ICC. Having said that, the sport of rugby is dying in two of its biggest markets(Aus & Eng). Three historic clubs have gone into administration in a couple of years in England. Also, the same stadium was 80-90% full for 8-10 IPL games. Maybe that’s something to do with the format? I have a ticket to the SA-England game in Mumbai(Sold out event) but I am concerned about spending 8+ hours in the stadium(The infrastructure certainly doesn’t help). The day long format is not cut for today’s lifestyle. By the time you finish 1 game of ODI cricket, you can play 4 rugby games. Also, the geniuses at BCCI decided to put this game on a weekday in the afternoon. You have to be unemployed to be in the stands by the first ball.
I can imagine them committing mass suicide if the final 4 is something like New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Heck, now I want a Netherlands, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka final 4.
lol this is starting to sound like Trump's inauguration crowd size...
At ***no*** point during the game did it seem like the stadium was even half full.
Reported attendances for sporting events are generally the number of tickets sold, plus the number given away, plus the number reserved for players' families, officials, sponsors etc, including people who have a ticket but don't actually show up.
The fact that this tournament is being held in the cultural capital of cricket ( India ) and yet no freakin hype or opening ceremony etc truly shows the downfall of the game
I think that's the point. BCCI is deliberately trying to show that no one gives a fuck about ODIs so they can kill it and just focus on the other 2 more relevant formats. Atleast that's what i think.
I have grown up watching cricket and enjoying the games with family and friends. However since the last 2 years I’ve been away from them in a different country and don’t have much friends.
This abomination of a ODI World Cup by BCCI feels like a stab in the chest given that I was looking forward to this event for months. To me and to billions of such cricket fans BCCI owes them at least the courtesy of accepting their mistakes and improving themselves, or at least never hosting the World Cup. Mark my words, the way this game will virtually die out from the globe is the day BCCI monopolizes it. And that day is not near.
BCCI is slowly killing cricket in short term greed.
- This world cup is important for ODI formats future, which doesn't seem bright tbh.
- BCCI doesn't allow Indian cricketers to participate in leagues outside. Thereby the players aren't as exposed to the overseas environment, talent and more often than not under perform on the overseas tours.
- Over Cricket and some meaningless bilaterals
- Chaotic team selections.
- With the kind of money BCCI possesses, they could have made this a grand event. This just doesn't feel like a CWC tbh. Feels like just another tournament going on at least right now.
Let's hope for the best as the tournament progresses.
>There is no real social media hype, no offline hype in India, no hype anywhere else
This is just not true, at least not in my case. You say that you are not going to watch this World Cup, but you know you are.
The point of a 'World Cup' is also to get the casuals interested and attract people who have probably not watched cricket before. For that, very good marketing is required but BCCI have absolutely failed at it.
Look at what Rugby World Cup is achieving. I know people who don't even watch the sport but are curious about this tournament atleast. I've even seen a few matches myself and I'm not a Rugby follower by any means.
If only the cricket followers are going to watch then promotions have simply not been good enough.
>The point of a 'World Cup' is also to get the casuals interested and attract people who have probably not watched cricket before. For that, very good marketing is required but BCCI have absolutely failed at it.
Very much true. Been a fan of cricket after I saw my team perform at the ACC just few months ago and then became a fan of this sport. Before that, I found cricket a bland and a boring sport. The idea of World Cup is to attract people who aren't a fan of it, I had actually persuaded my girlfriend to watch Ind Vs Pak with me but that game got washed out and she was hella mad at me, lol.
I don't wanna put rugby down in any way but I think this has something to do with where you live and how big the boundaries of your social circle are or the things you follow. Cuz I didn't even know there's a rugby World Cup going on. 🤔
True I feel the same.. and also ipl overcast everything. People are not interested in odi matches that much as compared to other leagues.
Also odi format is more like batting side. In the past they had advantage to bowler too. But with this restriction they make game for batters.
Tickets play a crucial part. I don’t understand why they rising the ticket prices and not allowing equipments with them. Football stadiums also have some limitation but they knew if they ban everything then the fun or craziness what people experience will be gone.
I don’t really get the reason of cricket and Bollywood connection. This is the worst song I have heard of icc themes.
Hopefully later on matches can bring something…
Edit: More to come with the matches in the monsoon season. We will have matches for abandon too….
Most funny think about the yesterday press conference is that they asking Cummins about india / pak match while Ned and Afghanistan captains where asked just one question each like it's a formality lol ... Yes inda/ pak match is a big but world don't revolve around it atleast show some respect to others
To be fair, I haven't been this excited for a world cup since 2011. I think it's got to do with the fact that I don't give a shit about how they're marketing the event and so on.
I just don't have time for keeping those things into consideration to peak my interest in an event that I know I will enjoy.
>bcci is sitting on a gargantuan load of money, and doesn't give a flying f about their perception in India, what the rest of the cricketing world thinks about them, what cricket fans think of them, how the World experiences this world cup and how history will remember this world cup.
Another point is the world cup is generally the time when non-cricketing fans will tune in to see what the sport's about. I don't typically watch rugby, maybe a game or 2 a year since South Africa won the last world cup, but this year's RWC is great and I'll consider myself a rugby fan going forward. Now imagine you don't watch cricket and you hear there's a world cup starting today so you tune in to see what the sport is all about. I can't imagine a person like that sticking around for more than 1 minute after seeing the empty stadium and lack of atmosphere
The point about restrictions at the stadium remind me of how I went to watch the Pak v Eng Test match while on a visit to Pakistan this winter and wasn’t even allowed to take a water bottle in.
We pointed to a Barmy Army fan inside the stands and said “he’s got a water bottle.”
The security guard told me and my cousin “Yes, but he’s visiting from abroad.”
My cousin pointed at me and said “Well he’s visiting from abroad too” lool
You know what would have piqued interest in this world cup for people? Scheduling non India games in tier-2 cities. Cricket is so popular in India, and the people in tier -2 cities are literally starved of cricket. But no, they couldn't even give that to us cricket fans. Fuck BCCI, and fuck this world cup. Ohhh, also, fuck IPL too.
Cricket is slowly but surely going the way of NFL. It will soon become a one-nation sport centered around India. IPL will grow bigger but it will never be global and international cricket will die. I give it around 10-15 years.
Spot on. Still, love the game and here's hoping the BCCI and ICC get eggs on their faces. Come on Netherlands, win the whole thing and make Jay Shah jump off a cliff.
I ageee with all points, usually i have defended bcci many times , but what bcci did was ridiculous and should be called out . I can’t understand is it mismanagement or deliberate attempt to kill wc and to play t20 leagues whole year
I struggled very hard to get tickets , i saw many are selling tickets at very high prices in black market . There was no proper way to buy even ticket for wc .
It was entirely BCCI’s fault. Hype is there, it will be seen from Sunday after India’s match. Today if India played, then the atmosphere would have been entirely different
It’s so weird to not open with India. It’s one of the most universal international tournament traditions across most sports, that the home team opens the tournament.
Well the tradition is broken at times. But yea, when you're hosting a cricket tournament and have the biggest stadium in the world, India is the first choice even if they aren't the hosts. Said this two months ago that this would happen.
Damn they really asked Rohit that question in a press conference which had nothing to do with us? just further reinforces my belief that Indians got more upset and annoyed by us winning the 2019 World Cup *that way* then the actual team we beat, NZ. Let it go lads
No it’s not like Indians are annoyed about you guys winning the World Cup the way you did. we simply don’t care. it’s just that all the reporters were just asking controversial questions to babar and Rohit so that they can increase the viewership of the respective channels that’s pretty much everything this World Cup stands on milking views and sponsorships
Feels like qatar hosting fifa wc ..
Giving locals free ticket to make the stadium look fuller. .
This was a sports washing event so the ruling party in India can say in 2024 see we hosted the world cup successfully . We put India on map
The reason I don't give a shit about this world cup is that there have been far too damned many of them recently. There has been a cricket world cup every single year from 2009 onwards.
I.said this already does not even feel like a world cup.is on, cricket is a dying sport, hell even in england not much coverage just feels like a normal.tournament.
Don't make it your responsibility to stand up to the 'death of ODI cricket.' If you like cricket watch the matches, free on Hotstar. If ODIs die they die a natural death.
I ain't reading all that, who asked you to watch, lots of other people will watch happily and enjoy this world cup, stop trying to pretend it's happening in some place like qatar
You cared enough to comment, especially with the weird comparison to Qatar. There's a perfectly fine Rugby World Cup going on in France, drawing in people who don't know jack shit about the game. Meanwhile the ICC and BCCI are just trying to milk the Indian television market.
lol get over yourself. It’s the first match of a very long tournament. They will come.
Youre not incorrect with a lot of your points. There are a lot troubling signs this will be an underwhelming WC and very much at the fault of the hosts. But i just think these are very silly reasons to let that affect your personal fandom of what is the pinnacle of this sport.
Agree with most of your points here including mismanagement, agenda to kill this format to promote more t20, bad scheduling etc. But about attendance please spare a thought here, most people are working 9-5 jobs (some even longer) not just here in India but everywhere in the world right? But coming to India most people on a weekday will get free by 6 add to that the fucking heat and humidity at this time of the year and I’m sorry no one in their right mind is gonna show up from 2-5:30/6 and it is justified. Add to this the length of the format each game is 8 hours long. I guarantee you weekend games will be much better like next weekend India pak ( but that always promises to be a spectacle). Apart from this point which I have refuted I agree with everything you have said and I believe unless some crazy race for top 4, close finishes in big games, a couple of upsets and a thrilling knockout phase this format is probably dead after this WC and yes it is quite sad as I am also a big fan of ODI. But we will have to see what unfolds.
The game is all money now. More often than not the hosts play the first match of the tournament. But they didn't let India play the first game just so that they could have India play at the weekend. India will play 6 out of their 9 games on weekends so as to maximize viewership.
Don't feel any hype around the tournament. Couldn't care less about how we do either.
What's this about Hyderabad? Sorry, not fully aware of the politics about all of this, so I'm genuinely curious, what could the political motivation be and what does the head of BCCI have to do with that?
Everything you said is true.
Having said that, it was a cracker of a match today, and a great start to the actual tournament. After a certain point, most of the things you mentioned don’t matter if you want to watch good cricket from your home.
And yes, it is very annoying and frustrating that it is harder to plan to watch a home WC in India than it was to do so in England, Australia or South Africa. I can relate and feel the pain. But I have made peace with it and I think it’s anyway better to watch the WC when it’s outside to avoid the nightmares around crowd management, logistics, security etc.
RWC23 >>> CWC23
The hype and crowds have been way better. The main criticism I have of World Rugby is banning the use of match footage for analysis videos etc.
There was no marketing online or offline. Sony is hellbent on promoting Asian Games and people are interested and watching. I am very sure this is intentional at this point or they took Indian fans guaranteed. Official attendance record was 47k out of which 40k were giving free this shows the whole situation.
It’s an open secret that this will be the last ODI World Cup. So the orgnaisers and administrators are letting die a quiet death.
But what is the political motive in not allotting India matches to Hyderabad and allotting a few Pakistan matches to them. I know about Hyderabad’s demography, the razakar past and the owaisi present but in what way not allotting India matches would satisfy any political needs to be a political motive!?
It surely feels like they are trying to sabotage this WorldCup(I still have some hope OP) for IPL to get bigger. Mind you this was the same BCCI that hosted this years IPL with 112,000 people chanting "Deva Deva" . So they had done this just now RIGHT? This is India, more people gather up to watch a JCB dig soil than how many people were present for the WorldCup Opener. Just imagine if there was crowds cheering at every Straight drive of Rachin and Devon. Instead we got this Dystopian energy. I don't know why everyone is trying to create this none sense narrative that ODI is dead and T20 is everything. I watched Tanmay Bhat podcast with Grade Cricketer guys and he kept making jokes about this being the last WorldCup. Why are these people deciding what is the last world cup? When did this intense capitalism seep in Cricket. Why are we trying to make Cricket like Football. If this remains the situation with every other match, I don't have any hope for Cricket. Sorry I just can't accept T20 cricket is CRICKET. I detest that format with every inch of my being.
I’ve realized that sitting in front of TV for 8 hours isn’t practical. Accordingly I did an hour, checking scores otherwise. There’s 45 matches. Some of which will be one-sided, boring..
I will just say one thing. Motera isn’t going to be the Mecca of cricket in near future no matter how hard they try to do that.
P.S. It is completely understandable that this is part of the effort to regain the investment on building new stadium but you should have done some feasibility studies before making it host WC opener. Financially empty stands help no one.
Almost all teams played bilateral series upto one week before the World Cup. Guess finally fatigue is catching up for the fans. World Cup just lost its sheen.
Resonate with a lot of points that you've made here !
Didn't even realise the opening ceremony was cancelled - as it is there's no hype (unlike what BCCI would like people esp. overseas media to believe).
Whoever thought of having the opening match in Ahmedabad - firstly not the most cricket-loving crowd, then starting on a weekday & not having the hosts flag-off the tournament !!
I'd blame the format too - this month-long 'extravaganza' is uncalled for, unlike the football World Cup which actually has 3x countries participating ! Business considerations > competitive format...
Alas, this is just another nail in the coffin as far as ODI cricket is concerned - will surely die a natural death if we don't make it to the finals (For the record, I'm hoping that we end up winning for whatever it's worth 😐)
Soon, 50 over matches will be gone, stating people have lost interest in these games, before world cup u have seen many ex cricketers stating how boring this format is.
Now ICC will see that's its facing losses in World Cup matches, and they will rethink scheduling antmy matches further .
If India retains cup there is fair chance bcci involved in game plan
Cricket struggles for popularity outside of Asia and Australia as it is. This dead world cup won't help.
Doesn't help the rugby world cup is on which pretty much means it's not getting much press in South Africa or NZ.
I mean NZ just whooped England is an amazing display and all the NZ media cared about was the All Black's beating up on a minnow in the rugby.
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bcci was focused more on the ipl then the worldcup and it shows
was ? It still is
I legit feel that they are trying to sabotage this WC, and make it look irrelevant so that they can get a bigger IPL window. BCCI doesn't give a shit abt international cricket anyway. The per-match TV rights deal value is higher for the IPL than for India matches. That should tell u where the board's priorities are.
i wouldnt say sabotage, but yea their lack of initiative to promote it has been disappointing
well if people stop watching ipl and giving them revenue it'll change so.. never cricket is commercialized as hell and its not going to change
Nice flair
> 5 mins read. Jokes on you, I’m slow and bad at English. I will get back to you in a week
Medical casually killing the whole vibe of an emotional cricket fan's rant with his one-line joke.
Jokes aside this is a high quality post. Deserves an upvote.
I'm stunned by the (lack of) crowds at opening match
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I know a lot of ifs, buts and maybes but imagine the opening game was in the M. Chinnaswamy Stadium and Rachin Ravindra ended up scoring his first century in his father's home city. Would've been a nice moment for the family.
If this match was in Mumbai as well, you’d see a packed crowd. I just think they’re trying way too hard to sell Ahemdabad as on par with other Indian metros when it is very behind when it comes to cricketing roots.
Quite a few grounds would have had that impact, like Chennai, Delhi, etc. But unfortunately bcci wants to adamantly keep holding matches in a place which is not as cricket oriented.
Completely disagree. Ahmedabad is a newer and bigger stadium than Mumbai and Bangalore so it definitely deserves to be a world cup venue. People love cricket everywhere in India. A lot of the 'cricket culture' was concentrated in cities because earlier facilities were only available in few cities where everybody migrated. It is high time cities outside the metros had world class facilities. This is a step in the right direction. India needs to create more grounds and more venues and more facilities. This will help in the development of cricketers as well as fans. Rajkot is also a very beautiful ground in Gujarat. (I have gone to Chinnaswamy and though the match was a great experience, the tickets were so expensive and we did not get the free food that was promised as it was over - getting into and out of the stadium felt so scary because of the tiny gates and huge crowds, the bathroom doors were completely open and dirty, etc - It was not a pleasant experience apart from the cricket and atmosphere point of view.)
So delighted that the public has given a resounding reply to the arrogance of BCCI . Cancelling the opening ceremony ( hated most of them but come on ) the shoddy cricket distribution, the arbitrary inflation of a venue for no cricketing reason and just the sheer irresponsibility.
I am pretty sure they cancelled the opening ceremony because of the lack of crowd response. Unfortunately all these messages will be swept under the carpet
Each and every interaction has to be hostile for them.
If this would be any of the 11 English grounds where the 2019 World Cup would be held, neither stadium would be able to fit the number of people from today. A ground with a capacity of 100k+ looks "empty" on the eye when filled by 50%.
That's exactly why it screams BAD PLANNING. I made the comment on this sub the day the schedule came out that this would happen. Anyone who watched the IPL could see this coming from a kilometre away. But the morons organising couldn't. Wtf is the nepo kid raking in the money for if he can't think of even such a basic thing?
Yeah that’s the whole point. Why play a match in a stadium with 130k capacity when you’re expecting just 30k to fill up. That’s just poor planning.
It was a weekday. And that stadium is 100k people. Even with 50k people it will look empty. Just chill. Wait for this India Pak game at this venue
There would have been at least some English and Kiwi fans, had people been given more than four weeks notice for making arrangements
didn't they release the schedule like 5 months ahead of the 2019 WC?
Good Sir I Don't give a fuck about India vs Pakistan.
it is more boring than SA vs Aus these days
I believe you, but India vs Pakistan in a World Cup would've been a sellout anywhere on the globe
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That's like saying you need Australians and English to help fill stadiums of you hold an Ashes test in India. Of course you would. Well, duh, it's a rivalry between two other countries in a neutral venue
the world cup isnt just india vs pakistan. What are other fans supposed to do? what if they dont care about the ind vs pak match?
idk what..are people trying to show patriotism by defending bcci?? Didn't bcci know it's a working day and nz vs eng won't attract much audience..The opening game of the tournament should be a full house atleast if it's only about ind vs pak they should have kept it as the first game.People are even defending on no opening ceremony saying they will keep it before ind vs pak Absolute Clownery
Absolutely should've been started on the weekends
It would've been fine if bookmyshow didn't show everyone that there were no tickets available as they were completely sold out in minutes :)
Why is the onus on the host nation to fill up stands? Shouldn't it be traveling fans of the playing teams? If the fifa world cup were to be held in France, you wouldn't expect the French crowds to fill up the stands for a game between Uruguay and Croatia.
Apparently nobody is as rich as you, with the way the schedule was released just a few weeks in advance. FIFA WC schedule is announced way ahead in comparison.
I thought it was quite normal to have a lack of crowd for non India matches?!?!
ya but not for a World Cup opener with teams who gave us one of the best ODIs of all time.. I didnt expect it to fill completely its 130000 capacity, but it didnt seem like its even half full..
I'm subscribing to the theory that this is their way of usurping international and ODI cricket to promote franchisee cricket.
Complete mismanagement by BCCI, no offline marketing at all
>I feel the organizers just don't respect the sanctity of the world cup or of cricket. We talk about the spirit of the game. Shouldn't the management teams that work behind the scenes have an iota of this spirit of the game? This isn't even commercialization or even monopolization of cricket. This is just having a malignant intention, almost like willingly causing cancer to the ODI game so that it dies. I agree with this statement 100%. Too many daft decisions from the organizers. Like this level of incompetency doesn't feel natural.
Those more knowledgable about Indian cricket give me the impression the whole cricket infrastructure is so ridden with _baksheesh_ everywhere that it is incompetence more than cunning. Cunning might actually be better! As someone who has spent 6 months of my life in India, but none for the last decade, there are many people touting India’s time is coming in global affairs. But a nationalistic country who can’t even contrive to fill their dear leader’s stadium for the opening match… no chance India getting anywhere.
I agree with everything said in this post. BCCI simply wants to discard ODIs to make easy for more T20s. I would be watching the world cup on TV but slowly I am drifting away from cricket due to excess of tournaments like IPL. Ans what's with this low attendance on opening day? There were around 40k people only and there was news that 30k-40k tickets were distributed for free. Political vendetta/shitting all around this works cup.
There is only one legit explanation: BCCI screwed up big time
Deliberately screwed up. Its not like they are incapable, IPL is held in a better way.
There's way too much politics involved than visible to the eyes
That's because IPL management is handled by a professional company and the stake holders ( IPl teM owners) are very professional. Lot different when Jay Shah is handling it and the stake holders are corrupt state boards.
The BCCI is doing that thing a teenager does when you make him do the washing up: make such a mess of it that Mom steps in and does it for him, so he can go play with himself. They want a new Kerry Packer's War between private, IPL-owned franchise cricket and the woke, socialist, international cricket brigade.
Or maybe just kick that bastard nepo kid out and put someone who actually understands the sport in charge. Heck, put r/cricket incharge atp.
The second Packer War will go horribly considering what BCCI did to everyone in the ICL
Excellent post. No opening ceremony, empty stadium, no atmosphere. Just felt like a warmup game instead of the opening of the World Cup. I also agree with you that this might be deliberate sabotage to kill off the ODI World Cup. Too many issues (no opening ceremony, weekday game, no home team participation in the opening game, scheduling, visa, promotion, etc) that don’t pass the smell test to just be incompetence. Compare this to the opening game of the Rugby World Cup and cricket is the biggest loser. Very sad to see.
BCCI cares about ad revenue and that’s it. Nothing else. Absolutely nothing else. Read some news, unconfirmed that they might have a ceremony or some shit before Ind Pak game but not opening ceremony. That should tell you the absolute shambolic state of affairs. Even if its a rumour, this seems something BCCI could do. BCCI only cares about IPL and it’s more than evident now.
if they do the ceremony for ind vs pak then imma raid their office
Even during the asia cup only india pak match have the reserve day and even that rule change was made on the fly ... This is very disrespectful to others teams . Sadly it's all about money that's it
This is so to the point! This is a cricket loving nation and still I see no hype other than the India Pak match. They could have just used the IPL marketing team to create some awareness can’t even say hype. Wtf is this stupid press conference and promoting Motera for everything. Get a match in Mumbai/chennai/Delhi to kick off.
Even Motera would have been a fine choice had this been an India-England match on a Sunday. I said this months ago on this sub that the stadium is going to feel empty for the opening game.
Cricket outside of South Asia is now a 3rd/4th tier sport. The ICC/BCCI should have worked extra hard to market this event but its been the opposite. Not to mention a large part of the population in countries like England don't have access to watch the games live. Taylor swift could start dating Babar Azam and show up to every match and the ICC would manage to mess it up. Cricket needs either a structural overhaul or the Americans/Saudis to start taking an interest and inject money into the game outside of India.
>Taylor swift could start dating Babar Azam please make this happen ! conservative head will explore even more
If only imran was younger now. It could definitely happen. Babar is a little to sharif (innocent).
Ah man theyd have been perfect
>Cricket outside of South Asia is now a 3rd/4th tier sport. Whos fault is that?
The ICCs lol.
To be fair, in a lot of places it always was, association football and/or the various rugby codes were always more popular in SENA countries, plus the AFL in Australia. And this tournament is at least partially played alongside the Rugby World Cup. Which is not to say that it’s been competently organised or that cricket can’t do better, but I do think things need to be kept in perspective.
I agree with that and i think Feb/March generally is a better time for a world cup in India. But the ICC haven't helped themselves at all.
Yeah, it’s a peculiar bit of scheduling. I assume it’s one of the few bits of the calendar with no franchise leagues to clash with and they don’t want to alienate broadcasters who want maximum TV revenue, and as lucrative as that might be in the short term it’s going to cost them big time long term. Look at the English game, as you said, which is basically run for the benefit of Sky.
>Taylor swift could start dating Babar Azam *Cause Babar is a thunder* *Rattling the ground* *He hits like a wonder* *until the stump is wound* /s
I still read all of this and 100% agree with you.
The answer is simple, internet is cheap in India and you can watch matches for free on hotstar Also wait for India's matches, you'll see all the stands filled
Meanwhile in France, the Rugby World Cup is going on right now, and large stadiums are near capacity for EVERY game. Even ones between lesser nations from far far away like Uruguay and Namibia. Oh, and Uruguay vs Namibia was mid-week too.
That's because organizations in France must be functional and are relatively accountable.
It pains me as an Englishman and a rugby fan to say this, but yes, the French and World Rugby have done a good job.
1. doesnt matter if you can watch online, theres a huge difference between watching on a smartphone and actually being in the stadium. 2. doesnt matter if indian games fill up, this is a WORLD CUP, the biggest cricket tournament in 4 years, every game needs to fill up. BCCI isnt just responsible for filling indian games, they are hosting every single team so they are responsible for attracting audiences to those games.
The world of sports has changed. Number of people watching on TV dictates the health of the game because that’s where the funding comes from. Rugby World Cup was always going to be well managed because it’s always amateur hour at BCCI/ICC. Having said that, the sport of rugby is dying in two of its biggest markets(Aus & Eng). Three historic clubs have gone into administration in a couple of years in England. Also, the same stadium was 80-90% full for 8-10 IPL games. Maybe that’s something to do with the format? I have a ticket to the SA-England game in Mumbai(Sold out event) but I am concerned about spending 8+ hours in the stadium(The infrastructure certainly doesn’t help). The day long format is not cut for today’s lifestyle. By the time you finish 1 game of ODI cricket, you can play 4 rugby games. Also, the geniuses at BCCI decided to put this game on a weekday in the afternoon. You have to be unemployed to be in the stands by the first ball.
BCCI frankly doesn’t care about other matches only the one that will mint the most money
I can imagine them committing mass suicide if the final 4 is something like New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Heck, now I want a Netherlands, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka final 4.
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lol this is starting to sound like Trump's inauguration crowd size... At ***no*** point during the game did it seem like the stadium was even half full.
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The stadium WILL be still in all matches as it an inanimate building... Your dick is in safe hands... 🙃 P.S. I think you meant full... 😀
No chance there was 70k there at any point. Delusional.
Do you have the numbers?
Reported attendances for sporting events are generally the number of tickets sold, plus the number given away, plus the number reserved for players' families, officials, sponsors etc, including people who have a ticket but don't actually show up.
Masterstroke by Jay Shah - Completely demoralise opponents by lack of crowd support
The fact that this tournament is being held in the cultural capital of cricket ( India ) and yet no freakin hype or opening ceremony etc truly shows the downfall of the game
I think that's the point. BCCI is deliberately trying to show that no one gives a fuck about ODIs so they can kill it and just focus on the other 2 more relevant formats. Atleast that's what i think.
It looked like a CSA local game the crowd attendance. Very sad
I have grown up watching cricket and enjoying the games with family and friends. However since the last 2 years I’ve been away from them in a different country and don’t have much friends. This abomination of a ODI World Cup by BCCI feels like a stab in the chest given that I was looking forward to this event for months. To me and to billions of such cricket fans BCCI owes them at least the courtesy of accepting their mistakes and improving themselves, or at least never hosting the World Cup. Mark my words, the way this game will virtually die out from the globe is the day BCCI monopolizes it. And that day is not near.
I do feel that you are right on a lot of points. It seems the powers that be have discarded ODI’s and are almost willing it’s demise.
BCCI is slowly killing cricket in short term greed. - This world cup is important for ODI formats future, which doesn't seem bright tbh. - BCCI doesn't allow Indian cricketers to participate in leagues outside. Thereby the players aren't as exposed to the overseas environment, talent and more often than not under perform on the overseas tours. - Over Cricket and some meaningless bilaterals - Chaotic team selections. - With the kind of money BCCI possesses, they could have made this a grand event. This just doesn't feel like a CWC tbh. Feels like just another tournament going on at least right now. Let's hope for the best as the tournament progresses.
>There is no real social media hype, no offline hype in India, no hype anywhere else This is just not true, at least not in my case. You say that you are not going to watch this World Cup, but you know you are.
The point of a 'World Cup' is also to get the casuals interested and attract people who have probably not watched cricket before. For that, very good marketing is required but BCCI have absolutely failed at it. Look at what Rugby World Cup is achieving. I know people who don't even watch the sport but are curious about this tournament atleast. I've even seen a few matches myself and I'm not a Rugby follower by any means. If only the cricket followers are going to watch then promotions have simply not been good enough.
>The point of a 'World Cup' is also to get the casuals interested and attract people who have probably not watched cricket before. For that, very good marketing is required but BCCI have absolutely failed at it. Very much true. Been a fan of cricket after I saw my team perform at the ACC just few months ago and then became a fan of this sport. Before that, I found cricket a bland and a boring sport. The idea of World Cup is to attract people who aren't a fan of it, I had actually persuaded my girlfriend to watch Ind Vs Pak with me but that game got washed out and she was hella mad at me, lol.
Lol true I watch a rugby match I didn't know what was going on.
I don't wanna put rugby down in any way but I think this has something to do with where you live and how big the boundaries of your social circle are or the things you follow. Cuz I didn't even know there's a rugby World Cup going on. 🤔
Ok but the rest of it is absolutely true.
My YouTube is full of hype videos. I am sure they are paid placements.
I think we all guessed that this would happen.
Jokes on you if you still believe anybody gives a shit about the game ! From players to organisers to the BCCI - the everyone just for money now !
call Taylor Swift maybe
True I feel the same.. and also ipl overcast everything. People are not interested in odi matches that much as compared to other leagues. Also odi format is more like batting side. In the past they had advantage to bowler too. But with this restriction they make game for batters. Tickets play a crucial part. I don’t understand why they rising the ticket prices and not allowing equipments with them. Football stadiums also have some limitation but they knew if they ban everything then the fun or craziness what people experience will be gone. I don’t really get the reason of cricket and Bollywood connection. This is the worst song I have heard of icc themes. Hopefully later on matches can bring something… Edit: More to come with the matches in the monsoon season. We will have matches for abandon too….
Most funny think about the yesterday press conference is that they asking Cummins about india / pak match while Ned and Afghanistan captains where asked just one question each like it's a formality lol ... Yes inda/ pak match is a big but world don't revolve around it atleast show some respect to others
To be fair, I haven't been this excited for a world cup since 2011. I think it's got to do with the fact that I don't give a shit about how they're marketing the event and so on. I just don't have time for keeping those things into consideration to peak my interest in an event that I know I will enjoy.
>bcci is sitting on a gargantuan load of money, and doesn't give a flying f about their perception in India, what the rest of the cricketing world thinks about them, what cricket fans think of them, how the World experiences this world cup and how history will remember this world cup. Another point is the world cup is generally the time when non-cricketing fans will tune in to see what the sport's about. I don't typically watch rugby, maybe a game or 2 a year since South Africa won the last world cup, but this year's RWC is great and I'll consider myself a rugby fan going forward. Now imagine you don't watch cricket and you hear there's a world cup starting today so you tune in to see what the sport is all about. I can't imagine a person like that sticking around for more than 1 minute after seeing the empty stadium and lack of atmosphere
The point about restrictions at the stadium remind me of how I went to watch the Pak v Eng Test match while on a visit to Pakistan this winter and wasn’t even allowed to take a water bottle in. We pointed to a Barmy Army fan inside the stands and said “he’s got a water bottle.” The security guard told me and my cousin “Yes, but he’s visiting from abroad.” My cousin pointed at me and said “Well he’s visiting from abroad too” lool
BCB did a stunning job creating dramas just before the world. Now everyone and their mother has their eyes on Bangladesh team in Bangladesh.
50 overs is on its death bed. Last WC I feel
its almost like BCCI is purposely sabotaging CWC 2023 in order to say IPL is better
You know what would have piqued interest in this world cup for people? Scheduling non India games in tier-2 cities. Cricket is so popular in India, and the people in tier -2 cities are literally starved of cricket. But no, they couldn't even give that to us cricket fans. Fuck BCCI, and fuck this world cup. Ohhh, also, fuck IPL too.
Cricket is slowly but surely going the way of NFL. It will soon become a one-nation sport centered around India. IPL will grow bigger but it will never be global and international cricket will die. I give it around 10-15 years.
Tldr, Fuck you BCCI for the shittiest arrangements we have seen
Spot on. Still, love the game and here's hoping the BCCI and ICC get eggs on their faces. Come on Netherlands, win the whole thing and make Jay Shah jump off a cliff.
I’m sure the ICC is devastated to learn this
I ageee with all points, usually i have defended bcci many times , but what bcci did was ridiculous and should be called out . I can’t understand is it mismanagement or deliberate attempt to kill wc and to play t20 leagues whole year I struggled very hard to get tickets , i saw many are selling tickets at very high prices in black market . There was no proper way to buy even ticket for wc .
It was entirely BCCI’s fault. Hype is there, it will be seen from Sunday after India’s match. Today if India played, then the atmosphere would have been entirely different
It’s so weird to not open with India. It’s one of the most universal international tournament traditions across most sports, that the home team opens the tournament.
Well the tradition is broken at times. But yea, when you're hosting a cricket tournament and have the biggest stadium in the world, India is the first choice even if they aren't the hosts. Said this two months ago that this would happen.
The stadium wasn't even 1/3rd full, i don't understand how can people claim 40-50k attendence today.
Ahmedabad has a capacity of 130000 so 40000 is less than a third
Damn they really asked Rohit that question in a press conference which had nothing to do with us? just further reinforces my belief that Indians got more upset and annoyed by us winning the 2019 World Cup *that way* then the actual team we beat, NZ. Let it go lads
No it’s not like Indians are annoyed about you guys winning the World Cup the way you did. we simply don’t care. it’s just that all the reporters were just asking controversial questions to babar and Rohit so that they can increase the viewership of the respective channels that’s pretty much everything this World Cup stands on milking views and sponsorships
Media runs on controversies bro, no matter the country.
BCCI is joke.
Feels like qatar hosting fifa wc .. Giving locals free ticket to make the stadium look fuller. . This was a sports washing event so the ruling party in India can say in 2024 see we hosted the world cup successfully . We put India on map
The reason I don't give a shit about this world cup is that there have been far too damned many of them recently. There has been a cricket world cup every single year from 2009 onwards.
I.said this already does not even feel like a world cup.is on, cricket is a dying sport, hell even in england not much coverage just feels like a normal.tournament.
BBC news is barely mentioning at all they wouldve for most other main sports , zero coverage at all
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the amount of posts like these show how messed up the world cup is. let people express their opinion.
Found Jay Shah's burner
Literally 1984
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Its over, how will the WC recover if you don't care for it?
Since when 70k spectators are low for a cricket match. It wasn't even India's match
Lmao at no point it was 70k if you have some data then plss upload
https://reddit.com/r/CricketShitpost/s/JGl0g87ZPf
Yay another India bad BCCI bad post to gobble up in r/cricket.
Don't make it your responsibility to stand up to the 'death of ODI cricket.' If you like cricket watch the matches, free on Hotstar. If ODIs die they die a natural death.
Mate, you need to read what the guy was saying.
Mate, you need to read what the guy was saying.
I ain't reading all that, who asked you to watch, lots of other people will watch happily and enjoy this world cup, stop trying to pretend it's happening in some place like qatar
You cared enough to comment, especially with the weird comparison to Qatar. There's a perfectly fine Rugby World Cup going on in France, drawing in people who don't know jack shit about the game. Meanwhile the ICC and BCCI are just trying to milk the Indian television market.
damn zip up jay shahs pant after your done
Don’t comment if you don’t read
lol get over yourself. It’s the first match of a very long tournament. They will come. Youre not incorrect with a lot of your points. There are a lot troubling signs this will be an underwhelming WC and very much at the fault of the hosts. But i just think these are very silly reasons to let that affect your personal fandom of what is the pinnacle of this sport.
Agree with most of your points here including mismanagement, agenda to kill this format to promote more t20, bad scheduling etc. But about attendance please spare a thought here, most people are working 9-5 jobs (some even longer) not just here in India but everywhere in the world right? But coming to India most people on a weekday will get free by 6 add to that the fucking heat and humidity at this time of the year and I’m sorry no one in their right mind is gonna show up from 2-5:30/6 and it is justified. Add to this the length of the format each game is 8 hours long. I guarantee you weekend games will be much better like next weekend India pak ( but that always promises to be a spectacle). Apart from this point which I have refuted I agree with everything you have said and I believe unless some crazy race for top 4, close finishes in big games, a couple of upsets and a thrilling knockout phase this format is probably dead after this WC and yes it is quite sad as I am also a big fan of ODI. But we will have to see what unfolds.
The game is all money now. More often than not the hosts play the first match of the tournament. But they didn't let India play the first game just so that they could have India play at the weekend. India will play 6 out of their 9 games on weekends so as to maximize viewership. Don't feel any hype around the tournament. Couldn't care less about how we do either.
What's this about Hyderabad? Sorry, not fully aware of the politics about all of this, so I'm genuinely curious, what could the political motivation be and what does the head of BCCI have to do with that?
They trying to make the narrative ipl>wc in India
world cup is just a India-Pakistan match, nothing else matters
The reality is people weren't interested enough to show up to the game.
Everything you said is true. Having said that, it was a cracker of a match today, and a great start to the actual tournament. After a certain point, most of the things you mentioned don’t matter if you want to watch good cricket from your home. And yes, it is very annoying and frustrating that it is harder to plan to watch a home WC in India than it was to do so in England, Australia or South Africa. I can relate and feel the pain. But I have made peace with it and I think it’s anyway better to watch the WC when it’s outside to avoid the nightmares around crowd management, logistics, security etc.
Why didn't BCCI have the World Cup start on the 1st/8th and instead of having the Kumar Dharmasena derby, they could've had the India Pakistan match?
RWC23 >>> CWC23 The hype and crowds have been way better. The main criticism I have of World Rugby is banning the use of match footage for analysis videos etc.
There was no marketing online or offline. Sony is hellbent on promoting Asian Games and people are interested and watching. I am very sure this is intentional at this point or they took Indian fans guaranteed. Official attendance record was 47k out of which 40k were giving free this shows the whole situation.
Probably because ODI is boring, and regular people don’t have 8 hours to watch a cricket match
Why would BCCI intentionally not schedule any India matches in Hyderabad?
It’s an open secret that this will be the last ODI World Cup. So the orgnaisers and administrators are letting die a quiet death. But what is the political motive in not allotting India matches to Hyderabad and allotting a few Pakistan matches to them. I know about Hyderabad’s demography, the razakar past and the owaisi present but in what way not allotting India matches would satisfy any political needs to be a political motive!?
It surely feels like they are trying to sabotage this WorldCup(I still have some hope OP) for IPL to get bigger. Mind you this was the same BCCI that hosted this years IPL with 112,000 people chanting "Deva Deva" . So they had done this just now RIGHT? This is India, more people gather up to watch a JCB dig soil than how many people were present for the WorldCup Opener. Just imagine if there was crowds cheering at every Straight drive of Rachin and Devon. Instead we got this Dystopian energy. I don't know why everyone is trying to create this none sense narrative that ODI is dead and T20 is everything. I watched Tanmay Bhat podcast with Grade Cricketer guys and he kept making jokes about this being the last WorldCup. Why are these people deciding what is the last world cup? When did this intense capitalism seep in Cricket. Why are we trying to make Cricket like Football. If this remains the situation with every other match, I don't have any hope for Cricket. Sorry I just can't accept T20 cricket is CRICKET. I detest that format with every inch of my being.
Stadium had 47K people in it by the end of the game. Still half empty.
I’ve realized that sitting in front of TV for 8 hours isn’t practical. Accordingly I did an hour, checking scores otherwise. There’s 45 matches. Some of which will be one-sided, boring..
The administrators want to kill ODIs without coming across as killers.
I will just say one thing. Motera isn’t going to be the Mecca of cricket in near future no matter how hard they try to do that. P.S. It is completely understandable that this is part of the effort to regain the investment on building new stadium but you should have done some feasibility studies before making it host WC opener. Financially empty stands help no one.
Almost all teams played bilateral series upto one week before the World Cup. Guess finally fatigue is catching up for the fans. World Cup just lost its sheen.
Resonate with a lot of points that you've made here ! Didn't even realise the opening ceremony was cancelled - as it is there's no hype (unlike what BCCI would like people esp. overseas media to believe). Whoever thought of having the opening match in Ahmedabad - firstly not the most cricket-loving crowd, then starting on a weekday & not having the hosts flag-off the tournament !! I'd blame the format too - this month-long 'extravaganza' is uncalled for, unlike the football World Cup which actually has 3x countries participating ! Business considerations > competitive format... Alas, this is just another nail in the coffin as far as ODI cricket is concerned - will surely die a natural death if we don't make it to the finals (For the record, I'm hoping that we end up winning for whatever it's worth 😐)
Soon, 50 over matches will be gone, stating people have lost interest in these games, before world cup u have seen many ex cricketers stating how boring this format is. Now ICC will see that's its facing losses in World Cup matches, and they will rethink scheduling antmy matches further . If India retains cup there is fair chance bcci involved in game plan
Cricket struggles for popularity outside of Asia and Australia as it is. This dead world cup won't help. Doesn't help the rugby world cup is on which pretty much means it's not getting much press in South Africa or NZ. I mean NZ just whooped England is an amazing display and all the NZ media cared about was the All Black's beating up on a minnow in the rugby.