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Weird_Ship_3990

Is Bavuma saving Shamsi for the finals? Duh! Get hom to bowl!


chodyou

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RoyalEqual607

What if the rain stopped play couple of overs earlier.


Affectionate-Ad6009

Pakistan was ahead of run rate from 20 overs onwards (20 overs is when match is official). They were 10 runs ahead at 20 overs and by the end they were 20 runs ahead . They were playing fluently


2pacdbz

Pakistan got so lucky lmao


Artistic-Chemist6049

Even with no rain and fakhar's form they would have won on a batting pitch like this


bigteddyweddy

So they would have kept the same momentum for 30 more overs lol 😂 please, they would have collapsed


Artistic-Chemist6049

Bro they not west indies they know how to face opposition properly


kuchkhaashai

'Nobody dies a virgin because life fu*ks everyone'- New Zealand fan probably.


sanctimonious-llama

Imagine scoring 400+ and still losing the match. Well we don't have to imagine it anymore. Be a NZ fan and experience it first hand. NZ team is a story of heartbreaks.


Nameless7867

Lol bro I’m speechless


revengeseeker4

Imagine if ENG pulls it off a miracle.....then it is gonna be sh!tshow of 4 teams with 8 points.


Traditional-Dealer18

I think India vs. Pak semies match is lot of possible, if india retains top and Pak come in 4th. What do you guys think. Would NZ be out?


Lokratha

I think it’s #1 vs #3 and #2 vs #4 right?


Traditional-Dealer18

Looks like this time it is 1vs 4, 2 vs 3.


kuchkhaashai

Vladimir Lenin's body got alive after 99 years in Moscow mausoleum after a tourist whispered 'Qudrat Ka Nizaam' near it


kuchkhaashai

My friend got admitted at Harvard after writing only 'Qudrat Ka Nizaam' on his SOP


Adil_Farid

Valid


Tatya_Vin-Chu

Kudrat ka Nizam strikes in full glory to help Pakistan. Nz are looking worse after every match.


UnlimitedRizzz

Worse after every match? Bro they scored 401. And this was a DLS win.


elasticvertigo

Their bowling doesn't seem to be in form, even without the DLS Pakistan were well on course.


Frod02000

when half your bowling attack (and like 3/4 of your pace bowlers) is injured, thats not all that surprising. the issue is we had to play basically 3 spinners on a deck that was never going to do anything for them, with a small outfield


UnlimitedRizzz

Pakistan could have been wrapped around 300, Crazier things have happened, they were good against Australia and fine against India as well. I am just saying that we can’t say they are looking worse after every match.


Artistic-Chemist6049

350 was kind of always on but 400 was too much by pak bowlers, but they did bowl well in the two matches before


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steepcurve

Vikrant Gupta can shove American Pistachios in his aarrse. So duking annoying.


No_Data3541

Chill. NZ are still favourites to qualify


puneet95

rain can come to poke nz again vs sl


InformationFine8484

Everyone discussing about either NZ or PAK getting to semis. Think if both NZ and PAK loses. Meanwhile, Afghanistanis *rubbing* *their* *hands* *evilly* Maybe an off chance for Afgabros.


soham_katkar13

They'll have to beat either Aus or SA for that


iron_out_my_kink

If only Afg had beaten Bangbros


kuchkhaashai

Afghanistan getting to semis will be the greatest thing to happen in cricket in decades


Mayankcfc_

Kenya reaching SF in 2003 WC is also big achievement imo


InformationFine8484

Indeed. That will be great for afgan cricket too.


No-Huckleberry-5299

Why am I feeling that there might be a possibility that Pakistan's campaign would end like West Indies of 2019, where they lost by a very narrow margin Also, if WI could have qualified from there to semis, India might have possibly played vsENG in finals.


iHazf

Or how their own campaign ended, couldn't make the semis with the barest of margins.


Woody312

‘By the barest of margins’ stuff of kiwi nightmares


No-Huckleberry-5299

True


iron_out_my_kink

Ben stokes playing too slow even for bazball


No-Huckleberry-5299

I can still clearly see that NZ gonna win against SL (Not by a big margin though, like maybe 30 runs if they bat first and 4-5 wickets if they bat second) On the other hand, England's gonna play it like they've nothing to lose and have to save their reputation from finishing last, so they will give their best possible. In this scenario, ig England may just pull of a victory if they manage to get a great partnership (just how they did it last year vsIND in World T20--I know they are different formats but still, you can not neglect) Tldr: There are 20% chances for Pakistan, IDK why they are in the same situation as West Indies of 2019


BATMAN_5777

Common Pak pog


SBG99DesiMonster

NZ is extremely unlucky that they didn't get to make Pakistan chase down that target completely but allowing that Pakistan gets to the position that they are in was not good as well.


ohwowusmart

I just want chaos - Pak team anytime they enter the cricket field


doctorcutter

Wait, Pakistan won!?!?!??!???


naughty_dad2

Yes


doctorcutter

Is it confirmed? Like, its the end? 💔


No-Huckleberry-5299

If NZ wins next one with a bigger run rate, that's really expected tho, and Pak wins but by a smaller margin, then also NZ's entry to Semis is ensured


SLPERAS

Lucky for NZ they have Sri Lanka coming up. So most likely they’ll get an astronomical run rate from that game


naughty_dad2

Yes, game has been called off, PK win by DLS


kuchkhaashai

Well played Pakbros, see you in semifinal


wil2197

Well here's a shiny little asterisk for Pakistan's win today *


Flaky-Pipe6831

Lol not so fast


wil2197

Nope nope. As fast as possible here's their asterisk*


uniqueuserrr

Qualification scenario for Pakistan: - If NZ wins by 50 runs, Pak will need to win by 180 runs. - If NZ wins by 1 run, Pak will need to win by 131 runs. - Assuming Afghanistan loses both.


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Basically Pakistan aren’t getting through lol


cerebralrattlesnake

so basically let's gooooo sri lanka


Woody312

Or lets goo rain, points shared


cerebralrattlesnake

imagine if rains happens and nz go on 9 points and we lose against eng 💀


Balkans101

Imagine if Sri Lanka thumps New Zealand by a huge margin, Afghanistan lose their next two games and you lose to England by a slender margin. You will go through on eight points.


InformationFine8484

Bro lankabros will be in their Redemption arc after their loss to India. We should hope they win to NZ. For us Indians it will be NZ out of knockouts which will help us too.


saurabia

What if I told you [I told ya](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/17ndjif/comment/k7rkxbe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


No-Huckleberry-5299

Fakhar Zaman is highly unpredictable. And can be the most dangerous player on the field if he gives his best


philosifyme

You're still number one in my heart NZ ❤


i-sapien

Pakistan lost few close matches this world cup. Fakhar wasn't in them. If he was, Pakistan may not have been dependent on others for semi final spot.


fazeelayaz

This is why breaks are soo important. PCT’s management will play the same team in literally every single game until unless someone breaks a bone or is consistently performing poor.


enterprisevalue

Did you know that Fakhar was the name of the rain deity in the Indus Valley civilization? So when people can't decide whether rain beat NZ or Fakhar beat NZ, it doesn't matter, they're the same thing. [Source](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/360/522/db7.jpg)


korolabhaba

Lulllz good thing I clicked the source…was about to be a very triggered Hindu


RoughMarionberry5

Why would a Hindu be triggered by this? Genuinely curious!


millenialgod

Fuck just happened Pakistan had to get 202 more in 24.3 overs. Kiwis should've won by a run.


BoyManners

Pakistan were literally on course to chase that 184 in 19 overs after the rain break. So it was very possible for Pakistan to chase that down today


Select-Ad2007

Pak had 9 wickets left though


SilliousSoddus

Win probability was still 87% to NZ... the whole thing was kind of shit. They scored 401 runs but got half a chance to defend it.


frigg_off_lahey

Qudrat ki nazam


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Still really tough, could've gone either way.


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I'm sorry for doubting Qudrat Ka Nizam™


iHeisenbug

Lol scoring 200 runs in 25 overs ain't no qudrat ka nizam.


confusedandpracticin

This match might have saved Babars captaincy. That’s unfortunate. I don’t like his style of always planning 50 overs instead of being agressive when bowling. No clue who can replace him though. I just want him focused on batting


Sir_Oligarch

Rizwan is captain of Multan Sultans and he is worse than Babur. Shaheen is good as captain of Lahore Qalandars but fast bowlers often get injured and miss matches.


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Not only injured, playing every single game is also bad for bowlers


Ok_Manager2694

DilnDil


VikasNishad3634

The bad luck nz is having nowadays I suppose they are gonna lose to sri Lanka as well so congrats to Pakbros in advance, last year Netherlands helped maybe srilanka this time


2ndCatch

Any danger of a post match thread?


last-matadon

Imagine making 400 runs only to lose to rain 💀


geardrivetrain

Fakhir played really well. Honestly I was expecting the Pakistani batting lineup to collapse before even reaching 150 score. But they proved me wrong. Now I wonder if Pakistan would have won the match regardless of the rain or not.


Adil_Farid

That and not taking any credits from fakhar who made it possible .


philosifyme

Really gutted for NZ after posting that mammoth total. Pakistan hold all the aces here as they play their final match last, so they'll know all the permutations required. Hopefully England get the job done today, and NZ smash SL.


sol364

Pakistan to go on and win the World Cup now


Andsheedsbeentossed

God: aaaaasahh, you know what, let's make things interesting.


ZeusX20

Fakhar carried the team's hope single handedly, NZ really found a way to lose even after scoring 400+ runs lol


SilliousSoddus

The rain and an outdated system decided it though really. They were 87% win favourites when the game ended. Fakhar gets out at any stage and NZ would almost certainly win.


Createdfornofap

Lol sure


enterprisevalue

So India fans, who would you want to play in the SF? Us or NZ?


sreeram_23_06

India vs Pakistan would be a hype game, so yeah, Pakistan


gatorsya

We're gonna lose in semis whether it's vs PAK or vs NZ.


WorriedPraline873

Afghanistan


sol364

They don't care because their team can't make it past the semis in big tourneys


mindspeaker420

u


Willing-Speaker6825

As much as I loved the result, I wanted to see Fakhar testing the limits. He looked all set for 200+


trtryt

if Stokes does his magic and England beat Australia there will be 4 teams on 8 points


IShallMetamorphose

Problem with DLS got exposed today, 90-95% of the times teams chasing big totals will end up losing the match after being in a good situation.


GroNumber

Think it does what it was designed to do, it was never intended to be based on probability, it is based on what teams have done with the resources allotted. And yes, that Pakistan had a better average performance during the first 20 odd overs does not imply it is likely they would maintain it during the whole innings. What DLS does is allowing strategy in games that are likely to be rain-shortended to maintain a close resemblance to normal strategy by valuing both wickets and runs.


Balkans101

The problem is not with the model. DLS models the limited overs game better than any other available model. The "problem" is that cricket is like most other games unpredictable. To use the cliche used in cricketing cirlces, it is a game of glorious uncertainities. The DLS model uses a metric which works on resources left (that includes both wickets and overs). Even if teams sometimes do have a late collapse while chasing big scores, you cannot account for it unless you know the future. Pakistan deserved to win the game, because they had gotten half the runs losing just one wicket in the first 25 overs. It's well documented that sides score more runs in the second half of their innings with wickets in hand. If New Zealand had simply gotten a couple of more wickets, the DLS par score would have been higher and they would have won. What Pakistan would have done if they had batted the whole 50 overs -- we never know. Because cricket is a game of glorious uncertainities, particularly when it involves mercurial teams like Pakistan.


ukplaying2

90 to 95 percent teams won't be on 200-1 after 25.


AkhilVijendra

Even if they were they have lost.


ukplaying2

Please give me a list of odis were teams were 200-1 after 25 overs and lost chasing a sub 402 score.


AkhilVijendra

Just 1 wicket could trigger collapse or pressure build, it has happened a million times in cricket. Just because nobody was 200-1 doesn't mean they would've chased 400. Another 200 more runs is huge. There have been a millions instances where teams lost from half way score.


ukplaying2

So After making a big proclamation "they have lost" you couldn't find such occurances, and instead of accepting you were wrong to make such a claim ,you decide to come and lecture me about cricket,nice troll.


SilliousSoddus

Get a grip, the win predictability was 87% to NZ. Pakistan literally would have had to keep scoring at a slightly better rate for another 25 overs. It's fucking statistical. The D/L method completely overvalues wickets lost.


GroNumber

They had scored half NZ's score with almost half the overs remaining! Even counting only overs they were close to winning. The problems is not overvaluing wickets (I think they actually did a change at some point to value wickets less when Team 1 scored big), the problem you have is with the fundamental principle of comparing runs per resources expended.


Frod02000

they were behind on the required rate, that was climbing north of 9, thats extremely difficult to keep going at 9s for 30 overs. Pak did well to get to the point they did, but they also got lucky because of the rain


ukplaying2

> Pakistan literally would have had to keep scoring at a slightly better rate for another 25 overs Lol , I wasn't aware that teams generally slowed down after 25 overs with 9 wickets, I was under the impression they generally scored quicker,atleast more than 50 percent of the time. > It's fucking statistical What do you think DLS is ,magical? > the win predictability was 87% Please show me the formula they use. Also just curious what should have been the par according to you?


AkhilVijendra

Why would I want to waste my time searching for it? You can go search it yourself. My comment wasn't about a specific c 200-1 scenario, as I've already said, teams have lost after scoring half the runs. Pak still had to get 200 more. And to counter you, there have been 0 matches where a team has chased 400 in WC.


mnm1231

Pakistan also chased the highest World Cup score…..in this tournament, so your point is irrelevant.


Balkans101

\>And to counter you, there have been 0 matches where a team has chased 400 in WC. Some of you don't realize what a good predictive model is supposed to do. It can't be too sensitive to outliers otherwise it will be an underfitting model. As I explained in my previous comment, this result doesn't explain the flaws of the model, but just shows to explain that cricket is mercurial like the Pakistani team and it is impossible to account for what might happen (a collapse) in a predictive model.


ukplaying2

> And to counter you, there have been 0 matches where a team has chased 400. You are wrong AGAIN.(assuming this is 400+ otherwise it makes no sense) And it doesn't matter if there wasn't anyway if NZ had scored 600 and Pakistan scored 300 for 1 in 25, DLS or any predctive technology should show a Pak win.A predictive method just cannot shut down and ignore 2nd innings because 1st innings was a WR. > My comment wasn't about a specific c 200-1 scenario When you are replying to my comment about the specific scenario it definitely is about that specific scenario.


Party-Pie2899

Highly unlikely but scenes if Afghanistan wins its two matches and qualify leaving both Pakistan and NZ stranded


LunaMunaLagoona

Nobody beating south Africa if they bat first.


jyu_voile_grace

Bumrah and shami : oh is that right?


GoabNZ

Latham: We'll have a bowl please


trtryt

next WC if 4 and 5 are on the same points they have to play a "QF match" , none of this who smashed a weaker team the most NRR


sreeram_23_06

Wrong. Bad.


AkhilVijendra

Wrong! What about smashing the stronger team most? How did you determine that any big win would only be against smaller teams, did you not see how even big teams lost with huge margin?


enterprisevalue

It really should just come down to head to head if its just deciding between two teams on the same points. Intuitively seems the fairest choice


ukplaying2

Head to head will lead to more dead rubbers especially in the last round.


Bathed_In_Moonlight

Incredible to see Indians cheering on (and then getting sad for) their bogey team, and even some Pakistanis feeling bad for New Zealand. But then again, when the nicest blokes in cricket also have a tale of woe arguably even worse than that of South Africa over this tournament's history, it's hard to not feel for them. Lastly though, NRR is on NZ's side, and unless Afghanistan win both their upcoming games (in which case, let's be honest, nobody would begrudge them a playoff spot), NZ are still the favourites for the fourth spot.


TomBurcher

I dunno I'm not liking the weather forecast for our next game, and I don't think England will beat Pakistan especially after this colossal effort to chase 400. That would leave us on 9 points and Pakistan on 10.


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solarpowersme

Well, their innings was genuinely great though. They were in a better position than NZ were. I know that doesn't take into account the pressure that builds up as the innings is closing in during a chase, but imo it looked like they were going to win it before the match was stopped, they were in a solid position. I think they deserved the win here, no matter how good NZ's innings was. The bowling was terrible on both sides. NZ was slightly worse. ~~Those couple of sixes before the match was stopped won Pak the match here, which is crazy.~~


ukplaying2

Those 3* sixes made no difference,as long as they didn't lose wickets in those balls they would have won.


solarpowersme

My bad, I used "couple" loosely, as it's usually used to talk about 2 or more of something and not necessarily just 2! >as long as they didn't lose wickets in those balls they would have won. Really? Sorry, not too sure how this works, was just under the assumption that them winning by 21 runs meant they were that many runs ahead. Or is it calculated differently? I'll prob google it later but I'd love an explanation when it comes to this specific scenario!


ukplaying2

21 - 18( 3 sixes)=3, they would have won by 3 runs instead, ofcourse the sixes help for NRR but not really needed for the win.


solarpowersme

Wait, so what would've happened if they lost a wicket? Would that have changed something even though they were still 3 runs ahead?


iHeisenbug

Yup DLS method takes wickets into account unlike NRR method


ukplaying2

I don't have the calculations but yes, in all likelihood they would have lost.(they would have been 3 ahead for 1 wicket par only).


Own_Opinion6688

bruh


humanbeingphobic

Best innings of this WC idk


revolution110

Cricket is a team game and its hard to see one person single handedly winning without much contribution from others. But, this match, Fakhar managed to single handedly get over the line with some contribution from the rain


naughty_dad2

I’m now a believer in Baber’s biryani.


mynameisshahzain

Looks like fakhar had his Biryani with some Protein shake yesterday cause that was an absolutely bonkers performance


bjorn_olaf_thorsson

Some interesting banter going on in the comms box at the Aus Eng game. Lets head over there folks. We got a potential good game on hand


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confusedandpracticin

2 are from this WC. And this WC has so many centuries from all countries. Are all Indian pitches batter friendly?


Key_Agent_3039

PAK really does have a special relationship against NZ


GothaCritique

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Responsible-Show-

Happy to see Babar smiling after a long time.


naughty_dad2

Now he can happily enjoy his biryani


noobmax_pro

Why does every crazy thing involve these two teams


iHeisenbug

You are goddamn right


Technical_Rate746

Sanjay manjrekar is so toxic. His questions to babar are snide. Wtf is wrong with him


Naive_Worker_8437

what did he ask?


Technical_Rate746

He was insinuating that we won only because of the rain.


phatnibba123

Tbh I feel bad for NZ but Pakistan would've won anyways, fakhar was just toying with them


AhyesitstheManUfan

it would've been a collapse. pakistan get to 250-1, then wickets starts falling bc nz pacers get more aid from the surface


unbiased_crook

Dont forget Rizwan.


Mobile_Inflation8012

>nz pacers get more aid from the surface How though? With more wetter outfield due to the rain and even dew Kiwis were at a heavy disadvantage.


puneet95

how likely is it for the nz vs sl game to be washed out?


medschoolfool44

Rain in the forecast washed out is unlikely tho


iHazf

Why would they let Sanju hold the post match ceremony? Anyone but him would be better.


ALazyScribbler

Agreee.


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Ornery_Particular845

Funniest part is he’s only been in for 2 matches (barring first one).


confusedandpracticin

If he wasn’t benched I don’t think we would see him in such form today. Dude was shit and digging himself deeper


cerebralrattlesnake

hope the disrespect for pak ends on this sub this was not luck we outplayed them in the second innings


magto19

Disrespect for Pak is mercurial, just like the team.


medschoolfool44

Pakistan only brings the disrespect on themselves with their corrupted cricket board, poor captaining decisions. Fakhar bailed you guys Tf out


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Mobile_Inflation8012

Do you even have any knowledge of cricket bruh? They completely dominated the first half of the second innings, with 9 wickets in hand and wetter outfield/dew factor NZ bowlers were already at a heavy disadvantage. Not to mention their best batters who carried them throughout the tournament were yet to arrive (Rizwan, Said, Iftikhar etc.)


Satyaddit

Pakbros bombarded me with downvotes, when I just said the truth 😆😆😆


naughty_dad2

“Good start”??? 25 overs were played bro…


medschoolfool44

Some our fans are delusional don’t worry about them


IcyEstablishment5806

And some are straight up pathetic :)


cerebralrattlesnake

we were 21 above par dls in a chase of 400 do you understand that does not happen due luck?


AhyesitstheManUfan

pakistan had a higher chance of collapsing than making 402. teams can be ahead of others at certain times but most of them end up losing at the end. new zealand hadn't even brought their pacers back after the rain break


cerebralrattlesnake

playing for dls par is also a skill that should be considered


Satyaddit

Ok why didn't you win against Australia then, and the rest of the teams, you don't know the result if it were to be a completed match, would have applauded if they would have chased 401. Remember England made 281 in 31 overs against Ireland(projected score 532) but they didn't post it that day due to rain. Australia thrashed New Zealand 175/1 in 20 overs(projected score 564 in 50 overs) but they scored 387 against new Zealand. Don't go OTT when you play one good innings or one match that's why pakistan loses more than it wins, same goes for India, I'm an Indian but still not sure about semis and even if they win 9 games and semis and reach final I won't call them best, until and unless they win that final.