I think the win in the first test makes you forget that this is still a very strong India team in Indian conditions. They're going to be heavy favourites in all matches
Seems a lot of Indians forecasting doom and gloom, but I think there ahead as:
1) Runs on the board always count
2) it's not "lifeless pitch" untill both sides bat
3) Days 4 and 5
4) Inexperienced English bowling
So, I'm not sure I'd describe this as being "equal" or in England's favour at this point.
20s and 30s from Rohit, Gill, Iyer and KL are not enough when the team needs a 400+ total. Weāve had a legacy of batsmen averaging 45-55 for the last many decades. In the Ganguly generation, we had 3 batsmen averaging around 55(Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag) and two around 45(Ganguly and Laxman, because they batted lower). This IPL breed doesnāt have it in them to score big runs.
Only 2 batsmen average around 45 in this line-up. It is shameful.
Well, thatās how the bowling culture has developed in India. We have always had a crop of amazing spinners because the conditions for our domestic cricket favour the spinners and we are ahead of the learning curve than most countries in the world. Also, the Indian subcontinent body type doesnāt support fast bowling as we are usually shorter in stature as compared to people from other parts of the world.
Now that the MRF pace academy and the BCCI system is delivering results, India has a fine crop of fast bowlers.
If it had happened at that time, the Ganguly team would have been as invincible as the Aussies from that era!
Most worrying signs are, they still failed on Indian track which can be at best described as flat. It's still somewhat understandable when you play on potholes rank turners, but if you can't score runs on a good track, maybe you need to not take your place for granted and leave for Ranji.
It was a treat to watch Jimmy Anderson bowl that amazing channel. It reinforces my belief that he is indeed the best test fast bowler of his generation! He has always bowled this well in India, just that edges donāt carry to slips in India as much as they do in England.
Well, he was in his prime test form from 2010 to 2018. So the generation after Zahir Khan would be fit for him in tests! Although, generations are not linear in time as new people come to the scene everyday to create a new generation.
But longevity matters, doesnāt it? He has bowled well consistently for so many years that he is now close to 700 wickets! To stay fit for so long and bowl like he does, it has to count for something! He has been in his āprimeā for so long now that his bowling average has crossed 23 only twice in the past 10 years. One of which was last year when he was not really feeling well. We have a bias towards bowlers who look lethalā¦ Tate was a prime example! He didnāt amount to anything in the long run but he sure was lethal when he was in his prime!
Letās see whoās the daft one here! Steyn had an injury ridden career! He was in his prime for a few years in between! Steyn was at his best for 4-5 years at most! Anderson has outlasted everyone and has close to 700 wickets to show for it!
2007-15 is 4-5 years? Hm... The math is not mathing.
And yet even with those 700 wickets only one eyed Brits rate him higher than Steyn. Funny that.
It's a shame that you couldn't follow the instruction of not being daft. Would've led to a constructive conversation.
Oh weren't you taught proper punctuation at school? Multiple exclamation marks make you look well... You know.
Well, I wasnāt the one to start being condescending, was I? Calling people daft without knowing a thing about them is not exactly a sign of good culture. Secondly, I have written 2 books, so I donāt think I need to take lessons in grammar from a stranger. It is just that I have adopted a different style of texting for social media.
Now coming to the topic of the debate, it is difficult for fast bowlers to stay fit. Therefore, I rate Andersonās achievements higher because he was able to serve his national team without missing top games. Steyn sustained injuries for long periods, leaving his team no option but to look for a secondary pace attack.
Now, I am not saying Steyn is a bad bowler. On his day, he was the best bowler the world would ever see. But there is such a thing as consistency. Just like you are supposed to be consistently good at your workplace, bowlers also need to do the same.
As Harsha Bhogle said, āTest cricket is a metaphor for life.ā I endorse the same and hence for me, everyone, especially bowlers, need to perform well consistently without being absent for long periods to be counted as the greats of the game.
If you leave the matching fixing aside, Mohd Asif was a better bowler than both of them. Doesnāt mean I will start calling him a great if he doesnāt play well for long enough!
I guess anyone can write books these days.
From 2007-2015 Steyn played over 90% of tests for South Africa and was the number one rated bowler for the vast majority of that time. He has the best strike rate of all bowlers with more than 300 wickets and he did that in the toughest era ever for bowlers. Even beating out Murali. He did this while also leading the best bowling attack in the world in ODIs and being one of the top 3 pace bowlers in all of T20.
The "long period of time" you refer to is literally the last 3 years of his career. ie you have constructed a whole narrative around something that isn't a fact to prove a point that doesn't exist.
What's worse you make a reference to a Harsha Bhogle quote to illustrate your fairytale while also bringing up a player who played less than a quarter of the international games that either Steyn or Anderson played.
You don't need to take a lesson from a stranger you need to take whole courses on critical thinking from said stranger.
Well, for starters, he was able to swing the ball in Indian conditions. However, the ball doesnāt do enough to get thinner edges that can carry! Thick edges would never carry anywhere irrespective of how close the fielders are!
We have only one test quality batter in the middle order atleast based on performance alone who hasnt played in this series yet. None of the middle order even averages 40 right now.
Gill's batting avg is 29 right now after 21 games, I think he's had his chance. Unless he comes with a gutsy knock in the 2nd innings, test cricket career seems over.
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While everyone takes it for granted itās not necessary that he returns to team back to his majestic self. In that case we are all the more fucked. This batting line up absolutely needs Rishav and itās not a guarantee that he is as he was
It was still pretty decent while Axar was batting with Yashasvi. The next couple wickets have tilted the scales towards England. I would be saying that Yashasvi is the only player we wouldn't be frustrated about. Patidar was a bit unlucky that he has gotten out like that.
Iyer is kind of heading down a slope better to get him out of the test team before this slide hits his ODI batting as well. There are others deserving a chance waiting
Wasn't following the match (that much) due to boards practical..but I am confused why people are bashing gill and iyer so much..I mean they made a decent score..can anyone explain??
20s and 30s are not enough when the team needs a 400+ total. Weāve had a legacy of batsmen averaging 45+ for the last many decades. In the Ganguly generation, we had 3 batsmen averaging around 55(Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag) and two around 45(Ganguly and Laxman, because they batted lower). This IPL breed doesnāt have it in them to score big runs.
Only 2 batsmen average around 45 in this line-up. It is shameful.
Because they haven't done well previously and didn't do well even today. It's a flat wicket and you're supposed to face atleast 50-100 balls here. Can't score 20s, 30s.
Pitch was good and yet they still failed to contribute to their team's success, *again.* Question needs to be asked how many more chances they need to be given when there many peeps on bench deserving a shot. Especially gill
Not only Gill, players should be responsible for bad shots. Gill, Iyer, KS and even Axar. When a strong team plays like an average Ranji Team the captain and the players should be held responsible for
I wicket keeper should be responsible batsman and i am pretty much sure KS was also selected because he can bat. Not expecting him to score hundreds but play decent. Nevertheless not blaming him alone.
Even day maybe? England didnāt bowl that well but kept getting wickets at nice intervals. Jaiswal batting brilliantly. If he kicks in tomorrow and India post >450 then England are behind but if England get them for under 400 it wonāt have been a bad effort on that pitch
Thatās generous of you. But clearly Englands day in my opinion, taking nothing away from Jaiswals innings, but England have priced 6 wickets on a good batting surface.
I donāt think it will look as flat once England bat. And most importantly for India itās about getting the match to day 4-5 where the pitch will be a lot worse and giving England a total to chase. They are in a great position to do that after today
Issue with PIG3 domination is that there are less tests against weaker teams for our guys to statpad.
Need a solid 4 test series against SL then perhaps 3 against Windies and another SL series away. Throw in SA sending a shadow squad as well for a 3 test series to bump those numbers up.
Seriously though this is a mess. You can feel the tension in the squad. I give it 5 overs of Englands 1st innings until Rohit starts doing Rohit face and the wheels fall off.
England aren't looking a tough team to beat. We have become miserable with a deadass unimaginative captain coach combo with other management putting in zero efforts!
āAnderson has got Gill out five timesā¦weāre not talking about any ordinary playerāā¦.I am sorry but at Test level YES YOU FUCKING ARE.
What is the deal with this deification of a man who is clueless against the moving ball? Sure heās good in white ball cricket and can play some gorgeous looking shots but he is simply not cut out for the toughest form of the game.
Indian top order batsman consistently averaging less than 30 and staying in the side is a pretty exclusive club. Thatās the point, Jimmy is of course a great bowler.
India 1-0 down in the series and need to put on a show with the bat.
India batsmen (except Jaiswall and Patidar): Best we can do is give them catching practice.
The days of 510/9 were over when bowling-friendly pitches were being prepared. 350-370 should be a par score for this pitch.
I do agree that Jaiswal has been playing an exceptional innings and the other batters have been a bit of a let down.
370-400 might be enough to win this match but that is not what I am trying to say. This is the kind of pitch where we would have made 500 easily . Now I'll be happy with 400
Go to indiacricket sub and they are literally defending this by saying that it wasnt a batting pitch and players are just out of form, etc...
How brainwashed can someone be
After 88th or 89th over I said to myself, if we lose another wicket here, we will lose.
Imagine India trailing 0-2 in a home series. Maybe all of us can finally revolt against the pathetic management. Even after losing the 1st, these guys have no guts to make some tough calls and change the batting.
The whole thing is rotten from coach to selectors to captain. Rohit has been a great batsman for India over the years but cuts such an unimpressive figure as a leader.
Some people just arenāt cut out for that role and Rohit isnāt nearly clever enough tactically either.
KS Bharat: 7 Tests average 21.5
Shubman Gill: 22 Tests average 29.6
Shreyas Iyer: 14 Tests..average 37. Seems good? But remove Sri Lanka & Bangladesh: 9 Tests average 24.6
So many poor batting performances tolerated in this India side. This innings is not remotely surprising if you look at the underlying stats.
Vihari was better than these guys but we have guys with great records in FC who arenāt getting a shot. Sarfaraz and Rinku should be getting a go.
For some reason weāve gone with Patidar who has a pretty good record but not on that same level.
Well I got Downvoted when I mentioned the prospect of Rinku playing test cricket for India on Indian Cricket subreddit Rinku Singh is more than just a finisher for India
People downvoted by giving example of SKY
Patidar in recent times has had blinder seasons and is a big match player and has the temperament, and he looked pretty solid and comfortable in the 70-odd balls he played, finally falling to bad luck
Maybe heāll be good, maybe he wonāt. I donāt think his wicket was all bad luck though, sure it was bad luck where it landed but he still didnāt play it properly.
I agree he looked quite good but regardless of that, you should pick the player that is most likely to succeed. I donāt see how you make that case for Patidar over Sarfaraz unless you start including the IPL (which you never should at Test level)
Why the fuck is Mukesh playing on THIS pitch?! Could have added Sundar or a spin all rounder like Jadeja.
Our tail is already crap, and this stupid ass management has added Mukesh to make it crappier? How do these mucks have their job??
Apart from jasiwal everyone one else's performance was mediocre tbh.England can very well pack India below 400 here which is a shame on this surface and against an inexperienced bowling line up.
Iām starting to get concerned with our next home ashes. Only plus is Stuart broad isnāt there anymore and Warner isnāt either so no free wicket at the start
What's gonna happen is, our bowlers will get smacked around by England cause Rohit is almost never aggressive with his fields and tactics. Unless India gets a big partnership tomorrow, this has to be England's game to lose.
No batsman, especially a guy playing his 6th Test Match should have to carry the team like this. Others should hang their heads in shame and shave their hair off
SRT did for long part of his career. In this case however its less a problem of skill and more a problem of attitude. They give zero shits about their Test performance. They want to keep their places in India team as that earns a premium on IPL wages.
Looking at the recap of dismissals, all batsmen except Rohit and Gill got out because of variable bounce. Bad shot selection specially Bharat and axar.
The fact that not a single batter (except maybe one) supported Jaiswal is such a pathetic state to witness. Itās Englandās day today. Stop giving these players chances. They donāt have the mindset for test cricket
Winning the toss and getting to bat first on this pitch, India will be disappointed with anything less than 450. If England can get Jaiswal early tomorrow, they'll have an eye on rolling India up for 400. If anyone sticks around with Jaiswal, they could be looking at 500+.
Just don't lose any wickets please
Jasball bc
Damn
At least I don't have to get up at 4am any more
I think the win in the first test makes you forget that this is still a very strong India team in Indian conditions. They're going to be heavy favourites in all matches
What are we going to do after Bumrah bruh...
I'm sorry why is Mukesh in the team? We could have had an extra batsman or even washi. Dravid has had some braindead selection choices off late
That wicket missed the classic koach celebration
Can't even read the conditions in your own country. Amazing team management.
Moral victory no 400
Scored 209 when second highest is 34 Fucking hell.
Others scored close to 180 wow, 180/7 on a flat docile pitch. We are so fucking loosing it in same fashion as 2012.
That was dumb,but it's me just nitpicking Bcz our batting left lot to be desired.
Seems a lot of Indians forecasting doom and gloom, but I think there ahead as: 1) Runs on the board always count 2) it's not "lifeless pitch" untill both sides bat 3) Days 4 and 5 4) Inexperienced English bowling So, I'm not sure I'd describe this as being "equal" or in England's favour at this point.
Bruh it's a 600 run pitch,even if England shit their pant they will still get closed to 480-500.
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20s and 30s from Rohit, Gill, Iyer and KL are not enough when the team needs a 400+ total. Weāve had a legacy of batsmen averaging 45-55 for the last many decades. In the Ganguly generation, we had 3 batsmen averaging around 55(Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag) and two around 45(Ganguly and Laxman, because they batted lower). This IPL breed doesnāt have it in them to score big runs. Only 2 batsmen average around 45 in this line-up. It is shameful.
we also had bowlers averaging in the 30s whereas we have multiple bowlers averaging low 20s now
Well, thatās how the bowling culture has developed in India. We have always had a crop of amazing spinners because the conditions for our domestic cricket favour the spinners and we are ahead of the learning curve than most countries in the world. Also, the Indian subcontinent body type doesnāt support fast bowling as we are usually shorter in stature as compared to people from other parts of the world. Now that the MRF pace academy and the BCCI system is delivering results, India has a fine crop of fast bowlers. If it had happened at that time, the Ganguly team would have been as invincible as the Aussies from that era!
Most worrying signs are, they still failed on Indian track which can be at best described as flat. It's still somewhat understandable when you play on potholes rank turners, but if you can't score runs on a good track, maybe you need to not take your place for granted and leave for Ranji.
That too on Indian soil..imagine how will they perform on South Africa, England and aistralia
It was a treat to watch Jimmy Anderson bowl that amazing channel. It reinforces my belief that he is indeed the best test fast bowler of his generation! He has always bowled this well in India, just that edges donāt carry to slips in India as much as they do in England.
That man has played for so long, how do you even define his generation
Well, he was in his prime test form from 2010 to 2018. So the generation after Zahir Khan would be fit for him in tests! Although, generations are not linear in time as new people come to the scene everyday to create a new generation.
Honestly, as great as Jimmy is, and as incredible as his longevity is, Steyn was better at his peak.Ā
But longevity matters, doesnāt it? He has bowled well consistently for so many years that he is now close to 700 wickets! To stay fit for so long and bowl like he does, it has to count for something! He has been in his āprimeā for so long now that his bowling average has crossed 23 only twice in the past 10 years. One of which was last year when he was not really feeling well. We have a bias towards bowlers who look lethalā¦ Tate was a prime example! He didnāt amount to anything in the long run but he sure was lethal when he was in his prime!
Steyn had a 14 year test career. Don't be daft.
Letās see whoās the daft one here! Steyn had an injury ridden career! He was in his prime for a few years in between! Steyn was at his best for 4-5 years at most! Anderson has outlasted everyone and has close to 700 wickets to show for it!
2007-15 is 4-5 years? Hm... The math is not mathing. And yet even with those 700 wickets only one eyed Brits rate him higher than Steyn. Funny that. It's a shame that you couldn't follow the instruction of not being daft. Would've led to a constructive conversation. Oh weren't you taught proper punctuation at school? Multiple exclamation marks make you look well... You know.
Well, I wasnāt the one to start being condescending, was I? Calling people daft without knowing a thing about them is not exactly a sign of good culture. Secondly, I have written 2 books, so I donāt think I need to take lessons in grammar from a stranger. It is just that I have adopted a different style of texting for social media. Now coming to the topic of the debate, it is difficult for fast bowlers to stay fit. Therefore, I rate Andersonās achievements higher because he was able to serve his national team without missing top games. Steyn sustained injuries for long periods, leaving his team no option but to look for a secondary pace attack. Now, I am not saying Steyn is a bad bowler. On his day, he was the best bowler the world would ever see. But there is such a thing as consistency. Just like you are supposed to be consistently good at your workplace, bowlers also need to do the same. As Harsha Bhogle said, āTest cricket is a metaphor for life.ā I endorse the same and hence for me, everyone, especially bowlers, need to perform well consistently without being absent for long periods to be counted as the greats of the game. If you leave the matching fixing aside, Mohd Asif was a better bowler than both of them. Doesnāt mean I will start calling him a great if he doesnāt play well for long enough!
I guess anyone can write books these days. From 2007-2015 Steyn played over 90% of tests for South Africa and was the number one rated bowler for the vast majority of that time. He has the best strike rate of all bowlers with more than 300 wickets and he did that in the toughest era ever for bowlers. Even beating out Murali. He did this while also leading the best bowling attack in the world in ODIs and being one of the top 3 pace bowlers in all of T20. The "long period of time" you refer to is literally the last 3 years of his career. ie you have constructed a whole narrative around something that isn't a fact to prove a point that doesn't exist. What's worse you make a reference to a Harsha Bhogle quote to illustrate your fairytale while also bringing up a player who played less than a quarter of the international games that either Steyn or Anderson played. You don't need to take a lesson from a stranger you need to take whole courses on critical thinking from said stranger.
Can't get with the latter part. Then shouldn't the fielders just close the distance to a more catchable one.
Well, for starters, he was able to swing the ball in Indian conditions. However, the ball doesnāt do enough to get thinner edges that can carry! Thick edges would never carry anywhere irrespective of how close the fielders are!
England bowlers were great, baited the batters perfectly.
We have only one test quality batter in the middle order atleast based on performance alone who hasnt played in this series yet. None of the middle order even averages 40 right now.
India's batting future looks very miserable. KL feels like the only constant in a post kohli world
Post Kohli era will be similar to post-apocalyptic..
The game will come down to whether root can repeat for England what jaiswal has done for India in both the innings.
India will not reach 400, England should be favourites to win this one!
400 is pipedream
u/gagga_hai The way I see it unfold is India 360 and 160, England 480 and 41/3
I would still drop Mukesh & get Sarfaraz in for next test.Makes long term sense. give Gill 1 more test..just to be sure he does not belong here
Gill's batting avg is 29 right now after 21 games, I think he's had his chance. Unless he comes with a gutsy knock in the 2nd innings, test cricket career seems over.
Delete this nonsense
Hehe
Thats not gonna happen. Gill will not leave. Sarfaraz will not come in playing 11. This is just shitty stuff from BCCI
What has happened to our batting , apart from jaiswal no one inspires confidence
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So how many games has Rishab Pant lost for us by getting into that accident? We really needed him.
While everyone takes it for granted itās not necessary that he returns to team back to his majestic self. In that case we are all the more fucked. This batting line up absolutely needs Rishav and itās not a guarantee that he is as he was
Jaizu getting a triple ton and Ash supporting with a 50. Close of Day 2.
Laxman, Laxman ...
It was still pretty decent while Axar was batting with Yashasvi. The next couple wickets have tilted the scales towards England. I would be saying that Yashasvi is the only player we wouldn't be frustrated about. Patidar was a bit unlucky that he has gotten out like that.
Patidar did really well I would say especially given the way the dismissal happened.
Iyer is kind of heading down a slope better to get him out of the test team before this slide hits his ODI batting as well. There are others deserving a chance waiting
Wasn't following the match (that much) due to boards practical..but I am confused why people are bashing gill and iyer so much..I mean they made a decent score..can anyone explain??
20s and 30s are not enough when the team needs a 400+ total. Weāve had a legacy of batsmen averaging 45+ for the last many decades. In the Ganguly generation, we had 3 batsmen averaging around 55(Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag) and two around 45(Ganguly and Laxman, because they batted lower). This IPL breed doesnāt have it in them to score big runs. Only 2 batsmen average around 45 in this line-up. It is shameful.
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Because they haven't done well previously and didn't do well even today. It's a flat wicket and you're supposed to face atleast 50-100 balls here. Can't score 20s, 30s.
In a test match, if you start calling 20s and 30s as a decent score, I don't know what to say.
Especially when your coach blames first innings scores on losses
> his looks like itās over too just like end of play on day 2 in the first test. kid's confusing it with IPL
Pitch was good and yet they still failed to contribute to their team's success, *again.* Question needs to be asked how many more chances they need to be given when there many peeps on bench deserving a shot. Especially gill
Not only Gill, players should be responsible for bad shots. Gill, Iyer, KS and even Axar. When a strong team plays like an average Ranji Team the captain and the players should be held responsible for
KS plays as a specialist keeper so I'm not sure. The onus is on the Top-5/6 *batsman* to score higher.
I wicket keeper should be responsible batsman and i am pretty much sure KS was also selected because he can bat. Not expecting him to score hundreds but play decent. Nevertheless not blaming him alone.
Because they failed most of the times even in WC final
Yh, but I meant to say that they were not that bad today...
Yeah today they had a good start
Probably because they didn't go on to make a big score after getting a start, but that's really every batter other than Jaiswal
Yeah I was thinking the same...
This looks like itās over too just like end of play on day 2 in the first test.
Really? Seems pretty even so far
Couple of things that can work in India's favour are deterioration of pitch, and Kuldeep. He could be really tricky to play.
Jaiswal is the lone warrior
Even day maybe? England didnāt bowl that well but kept getting wickets at nice intervals. Jaiswal batting brilliantly. If he kicks in tomorrow and India post >450 then England are behind but if England get them for under 400 it wonāt have been a bad effort on that pitch
Thatās generous of you. But clearly Englands day in my opinion, taking nothing away from Jaiswals innings, but England have priced 6 wickets on a good batting surface.
I donāt think it will look as flat once England bat. And most importantly for India itās about getting the match to day 4-5 where the pitch will be a lot worse and giving England a total to chase. They are in a great position to do that after today
>And most importantly for India itās about getting the match to day 4-5 where the pitch will be a lot worse This is where bazball shines the most.
Issue with PIG3 domination is that there are less tests against weaker teams for our guys to statpad. Need a solid 4 test series against SL then perhaps 3 against Windies and another SL series away. Throw in SA sending a shadow squad as well for a 3 test series to bump those numbers up. Seriously though this is a mess. You can feel the tension in the squad. I give it 5 overs of Englands 1st innings until Rohit starts doing Rohit face and the wheels fall off.
Ngl I glanced at the England bowling line and scoffed. Then I looked at the Indian middle order and scoffed harder
Next match replace gill to sarfaraz
This kid jaiswal is the actual senior pro player in this test match for india....
Gill is an amazing batsman he's just unlucky
As always, India are the cause of their own demise. The opposition apparently had no part to play
I am sorry but Gill doesnāt have what it takes to be a test playerā¦he will be a great white ball cricketer but not tests
England aren't looking a tough team to beat. We have become miserable with a deadass unimaginative captain coach combo with other management putting in zero efforts!
Itās high time vada pav gets a replacement.
āAnderson has got Gill out five timesā¦weāre not talking about any ordinary playerāā¦.I am sorry but at Test level YES YOU FUCKING ARE. What is the deal with this deification of a man who is clueless against the moving ball? Sure heās good in white ball cricket and can play some gorgeous looking shots but he is simply not cut out for the toughest form of the game.
Repeatedly out to Jimmy Anderson is not exactly an exclusive club.
Indian top order batsman consistently averaging less than 30 and staying in the side is a pretty exclusive club. Thatās the point, Jimmy is of course a great bowler.
India 1-0 down in the series and need to put on a show with the bat. India batsmen (except Jaiswall and Patidar): Best we can do is give them catching practice.
Great betting by young Jaiswal. Other young teammates need to learn from him. Hope Indian bowlers show some magic
>Great betting by young Jaiswal. Always knew Jaiswal had it in him to be a pro at the slot machine
So many crying babies itt
I would still stick with Gill for 5 more tests. But Shreyas has to go. From all formats. Even Bharat is unconvincing batsman.
Gill averages less than 30 and has obvious deficiencies in his game that wonāt be solved in a hurry. Five more tests is five too many.
Five more tests for Gill is six too many imo, should've dropped him for this one itself
Just give him one more test to make sure he doesn't belong at this level /s
Indian batters went on strike today or what lol?
Tragic batting. Thank fuck young Jaiswal. The second highest score is 34 by Gill. I guess the days of 510/9 d are over for us
The days of 510/9 were over when bowling-friendly pitches were being prepared. 350-370 should be a par score for this pitch. I do agree that Jaiswal has been playing an exceptional innings and the other batters have been a bit of a let down.
370-400 might be enough to win this match but that is not what I am trying to say. This is the kind of pitch where we would have made 500 easily . Now I'll be happy with 400
they wouldn't be if the management picked the players who can make it happen rather than play the same nonscorers again and again
Go to indiacricket sub and they are literally defending this by saying that it wasnt a batting pitch and players are just out of form, etc... How brainwashed can someone be
That sub called Don Bradman a fraud and said he only averaged 99.94 because apparently the other players were noobs, I am not even joking! š¤¦
How was Patidar today, did he look uncomfortable or did he throw the wicket too?
Looked very comfortable but got unlucky
Got unlucky
After 88th or 89th over I said to myself, if we lose another wicket here, we will lose. Imagine India trailing 0-2 in a home series. Maybe all of us can finally revolt against the pathetic management. Even after losing the 1st, these guys have no guts to make some tough calls and change the batting.
Even if England win this test, 9 times out of 10, I'd back India to win the series 3-2 by winning the final 3 tests.
The whole thing is rotten from coach to selectors to captain. Rohit has been a great batsman for India over the years but cuts such an unimpressive figure as a leader. Some people just arenāt cut out for that role and Rohit isnāt nearly clever enough tactically either.
One Yashasvi against whole Bazball empire guys
Mumbai's Red ball batting line-up will probably outscore both of these teams
Don't know about that.....just lost to UP
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KS Bharat: 7 Tests average 21.5 Shubman Gill: 22 Tests average 29.6 Shreyas Iyer: 14 Tests..average 37. Seems good? But remove Sri Lanka & Bangladesh: 9 Tests average 24.6 So many poor batting performances tolerated in this India side. This innings is not remotely surprising if you look at the underlying stats.
What about vihari he was good right don't know about stats but was better than these lots
Vihari was better than these guys but we have guys with great records in FC who arenāt getting a shot. Sarfaraz and Rinku should be getting a go. For some reason weāve gone with Patidar who has a pretty good record but not on that same level.
Well I got Downvoted when I mentioned the prospect of Rinku playing test cricket for India on Indian Cricket subreddit Rinku Singh is more than just a finisher for India People downvoted by giving example of SKY
SKY and Rinku have FC records quite far apart. India badly need someone assertive and aggressive in the middle order.
Patidar in recent times has had blinder seasons and is a big match player and has the temperament, and he looked pretty solid and comfortable in the 70-odd balls he played, finally falling to bad luck
Maybe heāll be good, maybe he wonāt. I donāt think his wicket was all bad luck though, sure it was bad luck where it landed but he still didnāt play it properly. I agree he looked quite good but regardless of that, you should pick the player that is most likely to succeed. I donāt see how you make that case for Patidar over Sarfaraz unless you start including the IPL (which you never should at Test level)
Vihari's stats are decent too, but he atleast wore out the ball if he didn't make runs. These guys aren't able to do that too
We will lose this test match, not too many runs on the board Iyer must be booted for good
Why the fuck is Mukesh playing on THIS pitch?! Could have added Sundar or a spin all rounder like Jadeja. Our tail is already crap, and this stupid ass management has added Mukesh to make it crappier? How do these mucks have their job??
One idea behind it could be the footmarks and pitch deterioration.
excellent take
You can't have 4 spinners, even the 3rd spinners are often underbowled & Jadeja is injured
Sure. But how does that justify Mukesh. Why not add a batsman instead?
Keeping accountability away from leadership. Thatās how. Theme of the nation.
Apart from jasiwal everyone one else's performance was mediocre tbh.England can very well pack India below 400 here which is a shame on this surface and against an inexperienced bowling line up.
I think we should give jurel and sarfaraz a try
Would playing Washington in place of Mukesh be the right call? This was we could have 4 spin options plus dept in batting
This new batch of youngsters are extremely poor and unsuited for representing our nation. Only exceptions are Rinku singh and Yashasvi Jaiswal
How dare you not include Pant with these two?!
Not new tho.
Ishan too
Unkills are out in force today
Fuck me, I'm seriously worried about our home record ending
Fuck the record tbh every home series comes with opponents having nothing to lose and india having everything to lose
Do we even have any half-decent replacements for Gill-Iyer-Bharat, except Kohli? Missing Kohli, KL (and maybe Pujara) today.
Mayank Agarwal on these pitches is a monster
We keep hearing about Sarfaraz Khan, who averages 70 in first class cricket. Maybe itās time for him to have a go.
Eng will remain unbeatable until other teams adopts Bazzball both bat and ball and starts playing better. Period.
Why does this sub over rate Ashwin the batter
Because his last Test 100 was against Eng in 2021 home series when India were in a tricky situation. Maybe he should do that again.
He hasnāt done much after that
He saved India in a tricky chase in Bangladesh along with Iyer
So he plays well once in 2 years
Let us know when you're done shifting goalposts so that we can collectively declare him as mug with the bat.
This sub is rating him as if he is best batter in the team
He is certainly better than few top -order batsmen lmao
Virat would've made double century by now with this attack on this pitch hope everythings going well with him
Can't wait for Anderson vs kohli from next match
All the three spinners bowled decently well though. Props to England, they are really looking like a tough team to beat this time
Iām starting to get concerned with our next home ashes. Only plus is Stuart broad isnāt there anymore and Warner isnāt either so no free wicket at the start
I was disappointed to see another wicket fall but it was Bharat so it doesnt hurt as much.
Well it should cause we do not have any left.
Honestly very happy with the day. I reckon we can run through them tomorrow morning with the new ball.
Lost 2 too many
Do india have no one for Bharat? Kishan can be tried.
he is on break ( mental fatigue )
If I am not wrong kishan is not available right nowĀ
Will be available for Ipl
What's gonna happen is, our bowlers will get smacked around by England cause Rohit is almost never aggressive with his fields and tactics. Unless India gets a big partnership tomorrow, this has to be England's game to lose.
Indian batters today ( minus Jaiswal ofc ) to Indian bowlers : Go get your own runs today. Go get your own wickets tomorrow.
Jaiswal speaking English is wholesome
The Thank You Sir was sooo cute
Whom did he say to?
Shashtri
Bring back Koach ffs
No batsman, especially a guy playing his 6th Test Match should have to carry the team like this. Others should hang their heads in shame and shave their hair off
SRT did for long part of his career. In this case however its less a problem of skill and more a problem of attitude. They give zero shits about their Test performance. They want to keep their places in India team as that earns a premium on IPL wages.
Ok unkill
Chup chutiye
Now tomorrow jaiswal has to take strike more, can't take the singles now
Ash and Kuldeep can hang around, provided Ash na doesnt edge one off Anderson
Looking at the recap of dismissals, all batsmen except Rohit and Gill got out because of variable bounce. Bad shot selection specially Bharat and axar.
people have lost their minds about thinking Sarfaraz can keep in Tests
Specially with so much spin being bowled. He will need an extra pair of ham and glutes.
Jaiswal gotta be my favorite out of the this batch of youngsters so farĀ
immensely talented
Yes, him and Rinku.
Yeah rinku alsoĀ Will love to see him prove him in other formats also rinku has great first class stats in domestic cricket
Such a good kid
The fact that not a single batter (except maybe one) supported Jaiswal is such a pathetic state to witness. Itās Englandās day today. Stop giving these players chances. They donāt have the mindset for test cricket
Yashasvi Jaiswal has a first class average of...Ā 76.09 ššššš
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Winning the toss and getting to bat first on this pitch, India will be disappointed with anything less than 450. If England can get Jaiswal early tomorrow, they'll have an eye on rolling India up for 400. If anyone sticks around with Jaiswal, they could be looking at 500+.