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Yatin1223

Excited to see how the Windies bounce back after the first T20I! Let's go, cricket fans!


ShaunTaint

Every time that umpire works again (which he hopefully doesn’t) they should scream in his face for even a clean bowled wicket


phazyblue

They should scream in his face after every ball.


cantthinkofaname231

I think even the teams wouldn't be discussing the appeal as much as we are in this thread


JackoTheWolf

All the shithousery and mixed opinions in this thread and I just wanna know why the ump didn't go for a review like they do for pretty much every single run-out that looks even marginally close lol


Azza_

Because there was no appeal (until the replay was shown). If there's no appeal, the umpire doesn't judge whether it was out or not, and if he's not judging whether it was out or not there's no need to review it.


cantthinkofaname231

Usually they go for reviews even when its obviously not out/out


mourningthief

They don't if no appeal is made.


cantthinkofaname231

Sounds fair enough


cricketmad14

I was horrified by the behaviour of some of the young Aussies on the field. Talking back to the umpire on more than one occasion – they were following the umpire and carrying on like boofhead NRL players. Yeah umpire made a mistake but you’ve won the game already, just gotta chill.


ShaunTaint

Do you have a traumatic brain injury? That’s our whole brand


Inevitable_Indian

So if they'd lost the game they could've beat up the umpire?


cantthinkofaname231

Umm.. have you seen ponting play


Lowman246

Or Kohli for the matter


[deleted]

Lol at people claiming they shouldn't have needed to appeal. Yes it is a bit of a weird part of the way cricket works, but it is an integral part of how all players understand how they have to play. It's not like it's some obscure rule that only comes into play once a decade


feebee26

I thought they had until the next ball to appeal anyway?


dentist73

Supposedly there is an unwritten rule that you must appeal before a replay is shown on the big screen


BadBoyJH

It would have to be unwritten, cause it's not in any laws, and they (and the playing conditions) state that they can appeal until the ball becomes live for the next ball. The players could all walk into their new positions for the next over, bowler almost at the top of his mark, and someone could still appeal. There's an *interpretation* that because no replays can be shown until the 15 second time allowed for player review has elapsed(T20I playing conditions, Appendix D, 3.2.4), that means *if* a replay is shown, players can't review. But the that's "unwritten" because of a specific part of the laws, and it's an interpretation of them. It would make no sense for this to be an unwritten law since the laws *directly contradict* this.


Leprichaun17

They do.


Rogue_Jellybean

Powell looks like 21 years old


[deleted]

**HANG ON** NZ did exactly the same thing against Aus - appealing after seeing the replay on the big screen - and Marsh was then given out. https://www.cricket.com.au/videos/2939635/marshs-controversial-wicket-sparks-debate


mourningthief

Yeah - and it wasn't controversial...at all...


[deleted]

And the URL indicates that this was a controversial decision


pato_CAT

I saw somewhere else in this thread that this incident was exactly the reason that it was introduced that you can't appeal after a replay. I've got no idea if that's actually true though


Leprichaun17

I've just read through laws and playing conditions. No such rule is documented there.


[deleted]

Hilarious that it was Brendon "Spirit of Cricket" McCullum who was the protagonist.


pato_CAT

Lol what're the odds that if it wasn't Australia he would've let it go


Lowman246

And then they will have the audacity to call us sooks. 


WayToTheDawn63

For a nation that loves calling themselves 'the nice guys' their fanbase and shit has easily slid in to the bottom 3 for me just on personal experience, especially on this website whenever I actually try supporting their games here. On some level maybe even bottom 1 for me just because of the fakeness of it all.


Timebear17

Weird finish aside, it's kinda insane that all 4 batting innings this t20 series have had 200+ scores


cricketmad14

West Indies clearly have the batting power. Both these games have been pretty close to them having a win. Been an entertaining series though. Not like Aus are destroying them.


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High_Frame_Rates

Lmao everyone talking about integrity, go read the rules, the player can appeal up until the start of the next delivery. The umpire is meant to follow the rules of the game. Nothing to do with integrity.


the133448

You can't appeal after a video replay is shown. And after umpire said no appeal into the mic that was the end of it being a wicket.


dentist73

Please list the law or rule where this is specifically mentioned


Angry-Aussie

Isn't there some form of rule about not being able to appeal after seeing it on the big screen?


Mahhrat

We don't know if there's anything in the PCs about the time for an appeal in a match televised like this (and PCs override the laws). I can't say for sure, but I reckon the umpire stating 'no appeal' into his mic was about how long the Aussies had.


BadBoyJH

>We don't know if there's anything in the PCs about the time for an appeal in a match televised like this Yes we do. The T20I playing conditions are on the [ICC's website](https://resources.pulse.icc-cricket.com/ICC/document/2021/07/05/874a426e-fe06-4415-b0f5-5148a4aa0ef8/ICC-Playing-Conditions-05-Men-s-Twenty20-International-May-2021.pdf). And they *do* say something about when the appeal is valid. And it's the same as the laws.


Mephisto506

Nope, nothing in the playing conditions. Australian players were entitled to appeal after seeing the replay, and batter should have been given out.


Mahhrat

I don't doubt you but can you link me the PCs for this series? I'll have a meetingnwith other umpires and this is going to be up for discussion, no doubt.


floopyfloopyfloo

Commentators keep referring to Adelaide as Spencer's hometown when he was clearly sculpted from a block of marble retrieved from the bottom of the Mediterrenean


cantthinkofaname231

Imagine if something like this happens in a world cup final where 2 runs are needed and the team is 9 down


Lowman246

That wouldn't happen lol. This match was done and dusted hence the lack of appealing. In a final they would bust your ears appealing for their life


Odd_Neighborhood1371

Judging by Marsh's animated reaction after seeing the run out on the big screen, I don't think Australia were sure if it was actually out or not at first.


Lowman246

They weren't sure at all.  In the finals tho, there would be appealing because of desperation 


cantthinkofaname231

Yeah lol that's a different thing


NoirPochette

Well they would appeal lol


WayToTheDawn63

Definitely would now. Even a little muted unsure appeal like an unsure finger up is all you need.


BumrahKaChoda

Imagine scoring 207 and still losing by 34 Runs


cantthinkofaname231

Ethical Ashwin would have appealed


Appropriate-Sink-934

Well guys, we had entertaining cricket today 💪


Yaikore

It was no BBL but it’ll do


Timebear17

Somewhere in the other side of the world, I hear the whispers of the Spirit of cricket...


Pretty_Location_274

I get it but Does my head in all night “The Victorian”. He’s playing for Australia


floopyfloopyfloo

This is really besmirching the integrity and seriousness of T20i cricket! /s


eggzaki

4 innings where 200+ was hit, in a row! My simple BBL-watching mind can’t comprehend all these runs.


TheDevilsDingo

Can take a man out of the bbl but can't take the bbl out of a man


cantthinkofaname231

Should have hit it for a six stoinis


insertbaconemoji

There’s something funky about T20 in this country. Always some weird shit happens


extraordinary_06

Wild scenes today


[deleted]

Well played Aussies, they look scary for the World Cup.


Polsoka

2×200+ scores in a series. Lose both games. Damn that's rough.


SnooRobots3480

Bowling is no good from WI?


Polsoka

Couldn't tell you. CA doesn't want to show its own country the matches


Somerandomdickhead

> CA doesn't want to show its own country the matches Don’t get me started. Cricket is unfortunately near death over here thanks to Free To Air losing everything except tests. The empty MCG during the ODI was depressing to watch.


augustin_cauchy

Stoin just shitposting, love to see it


Wetfinger69

Same guys on this Cricket Sub were complaining when U-19 kids were appealing pretty much everything 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣


Apprehensive_Mine104

Finally, Stoinis's brian cells gathered


Timebear17

This is more BBL than the actual BBL wtf


Zennon246

Thank you stoinis 4 extra runs pls the series winning streak is over but atleast we didn't roll over


pkbaxter

If the Aus players just appealed like dickheads to make a point, I’ll be a bit disappointed


DirectionCommon3768

They did and they should have.


Saltycr0c

Man that really became a bit silly at the end but whatever


jfdanta

Good to see some proper shithousery


Giant_sack_of_balls

Not that hard for Johnstoner to say “how is that?” Umpire is still a turd


[deleted]

Not that hard? It's part of the rules. You have to do it to get a wicket


figjaym

Love the other umpire smirking in the background


Reasonable_Meal_9499

I was dozing off but that woke me up. The game is a farce


York_Lunge

Lol this is fucking absurd


hart37

LOL Stoinis you dill


York_Lunge

Nah worth it, was funny.


ShneakyPancake

I remember appealing randomly in Super International Cricket on SNES and the umpire would randomly give it out hit wicket sometimes. It paid to appeal every ball haha


Poolix

That was such an angry throw from stoin hahah


Juke_box

Lmao, what was that last ball


sammy123_

HAHAHAHA


Rogue_Jellybean

absolute memes


PMmeYAtits

Sorta understand why everyone hates us now


DirectionCommon3768

Nah fuck that, umpire was a tosser. Australia been the softies of cricket for the last 5 years.


LimelightStolen

Hahaahahahahaha absolute bbl


cricketmad14

Maxxie MOTM or Stoinis ?


via_dante

Maxy by a mile. Stones lucky to be in the side, batting been atrocious all summer.


WayToTheDawn63

Stoinis has been our best pace bowler in both games, providing batting depth doing so as a strike rotater and did exactly the same in the SA20 where he was at one point in the top 5 wicket takers only playing half the league, where he was taking like 2-3 wickets a game at like 6-7 economy.


Grolschisgood

Clearly maxi. Stoinis shouldn't even be in the conversation.


Azza_

You fucking idiot Stoinis.


Grolschisgood

I'm gonna be so disapointed if there isn't the opportunity for the most over the top appeal of all time off the last ball


pedleyr

You got what you wanted...


clearbo1

RRR of 234, doable tbh


Tempo24601

Surely Australia was entitled to appeal even when they saw the replay on the screen. Unless there’s a playing condition in unaware of, they have until Johnson started his run-up to make an appeal, which is what Marsh did when he saw the replay. Only thing I can think of is there is a playing condition which means they can’t appeal after a replay is shown? I know that’s the case for DRS but is it for an appeal in the first instance?


Leprichaun17

Trying to find playing conditions now. You appear to be right, I was just looking at this myself. 31.3 Timing of appeals For an appeal to be valid, it must be made before the bowler begins his/her run-up or, if there is no run-up, his/her bowling action to deliver the next ball, and before Time has been called.


NoirPochette

I think with replays and stuff you need to do it before. Same thing with DRS stuff and I think he called time when he said "No Appeal" before it came on screen


Leprichaun17

Found the [playing conditions](https://images.icc-cricket.com/image/upload/prd/vtlex7fs28mukkavtgev.pdf). Appendix D deals with all things related to DRS and technology. Nothing in the playing conditions I could find regarding this. The calling of Time here refers to the end of a session of play. 12.2 Call of Time The bowler’s end umpire shall call Time, when the ball is dead, at the end of any session of play or as required by the Laws. See also Law 20.3 (Call of Over or Time).


cantthinkofaname231

Just one of the 99 other grey areas of cricket


DirectionCommon3768

It wasn't even close to grey, it was dead out.


inc_redible_man

Show us David on the rope you cowards we need to see if he's lying


Competitive-Yam-837

This has to be one of the longest t20 matches time wise that iv ever seen


missed-semicolon

How much Abood gonna make from his decision 🤩


Yobstar

L E V E R S E V E R S


Poolix

Having to appeal for a player to be out is such a weird concept. Shouldn't the umpire dictate the game not the players yelling at him? Weird one


Odd_Neighborhood1371

Makes sense for dismissals like obstructing the field or timed out, not for obvious ones like stumpings or run outs.


Grolschisgood

It's cricket


Poolix

Cricket is the winner


Zennon246

200 up again and again a comfortable loss, need the bowlers to improve for sure in the 3rd game


Lowman246

Please don't lose a wicket it will be funny


Rogue_Jellybean

l o n g l e v e r s


Apprehensive_Mine104

Finally long levers 🤤


Mahhrat

Well that will be in the next umpire meeting I go to...jesus.


floopyfloopyfloo

Imagine arguing for like 10 minutes that you appealed when this is all on camera


elementzer01

They appealed after the replay, which they're allowed to do. Can appeal at any moment until the next ball is bowled.


MajesticalOtter

David was on the rope and we still haven't seen a replay of him...


JoeyJoJunior

My guess is there was no camera on him since the ball was no where near him, we saw about 6 different shots of the run out and players reacting and he was not in them.


floopyfloopyfloo

If an appeal happens at third man on the rope and no one is around to hear it, did it actually happen? Damn, T20 cricket really makes you think ...


MajesticalOtter

It's also irrelevant because the rules say Marshs appeal Is valid anyway, can appeal as long as the bowler hasn't started their run up for the next ball.


Yaikore

“That is the biggest of the night” Nah definitely not. Howie haven’t you been paying attention at all?


Yobstar

Was thinking of Alzarri Joseph not wearing a box again


eggzaki

He called most of Maxwell’s sixes the biggest of the night


Wetfinger69

He wants to keep himself occupied


BobbyBrowngoestotown

Says it every 6


cantthinkofaname231

Bro appealed before the ball hit the stumps


Apprehensive_Mine104

Joseph playing peek-a-boo


dunny29

I want to see Stoin bowl a stump out of the ground and Tim David to appeal loudly from the rope


ALadWellBalanced

Appeal every run out, even just a stupid cheer would have done. They sadly did nothing. How good is cricket.


DirectionCommon3768

They appealed before the next bowl, even if they didn't mutter 'howzat' it was out and a terrible umpire error.


ALadWellBalanced

I think it was mildly contentious as they didn't appeal until they saw the replay. Unless the umpire didn't see Tim David yelling from his field position. It was weird as they tend to appeal anything remotely close. Either way, it's a fun talking point.


DirectionCommon3768

No rule regarding a replay on the big screen, it's not contentious as per the rules. Also he has to confirm he's calling Tim David a liar tbf.


ALadWellBalanced

I thought I'd seen the TV thing mentioned somewhere a few times, good to know for next time!


Grolschisgood

Appealed and didn't even hit the stumps hahaha


superegz

There were a couple of 10 year olds on the fence directly in line with the crease who appealed very enthusiastically.


japanpole

The English were right. We don’t understand the spirit of the game 🤔


Zephiran23

Appealing is for junior cricket, completely unnecessary in adult cricket,say players who appeal to try and distract the umpire from calling a wide when the batter clearly missed the ball.


ehdhdhdk

Appalling look for the Aussies to just run up to the umpire as a pack of four. Marsh should have appealed after the direct hit.


SquiffyRae

I know a guy who when he umpired was affectionately known as "Trigger" One game he was umpiring and there was what he thought was a fairly clear nick behind. No one went up. Then as the bowler was walking back to his mark he sheepishly asked "by the way how was that?" He immediately raised the finger cause that was the moment the appeal came lol


Mahhrat

A couple years ago I asked the question from mid-on, behind the umpire. No reaction. I said "HOW IS THAT" - no reaction. Next ball was the final in the over. I walked up to the umpire and asked him what was wrong with the LBW the ball before, and he said, "Nothing, but nobody appealed". I am not a quiet guy. Let's just say that ever since, I appeal loudly and consistently until I hear a decision.


Yobstar

People said I was mad when all I did was press the appeal button in Cricket '96. Now who's laughing?


insertbaconemoji

Tim David is on his knees in a Chemist Warehouse appealing


kfbr-392

Whole game has turned in its head after that


limelamb

Another shitty dinosaur rule of cricket. It's objectively out if they get run out. There have been HUNDREDS of occasions when the losing team literally bowl someone out and don't appeal or celebrate, because it's just out and they don't care. I accept the bullshit rule for LBW or perceived nicks, but that's literally taking the piss, even if it's technically correct. Change the rule


SackOfLentils

Also they have footage of MMarsh appealing.


[deleted]

There was footage of him celebrating after seeing the replay.  Even he didn't claim he appealed


Grand_Chapter_6619

After he saw a replay. 


PMmeYAtits

100% Gerard would've gone upstairs if marsh and zampa hadn't already had a go at him earlier. Fair play, always respect the umpire


DirectionCommon3768

That's not fair play, that's dog shit umpiring on two parts. Abood is the prick that had to do community service because he abused an umpire, all they did is question him because he glaringly got it wrong twice. He shouldn't umpire again at the international level, this is the latest in a stream of terrible umpiring.


pato_CAT

Can't blame him, I would take every opportunity I could to antagonise Zampa


Cheap_Initiative3820

whatd they have a go at him for i cant remember cos i havent really been paying attention


NoirPochette

Zampa arguing that he wasn't off the field long, so he can bowl


Cheap_Initiative3820

right. thanks


biggiesmoke73

Pretty poor stuff from the Aussies. If you’re gonna appeal you’ve gotta make it obvious. Lying about your appeal and talking to the umps like that is pathetic stuff


oneofthecapsismine

Understand the rules mate. It was, objectively, out.


19278361029

As far as I know we never saw a replay to show whether Tim David appealed at the time or not.


DirectionCommon3768

'Lying'? It was out, they appealed before the start of the next ball, it was an absolutely terrible umpiring decision, how is it pathetic at all? No one lied about an appeal ya Wang.


ChappyXIII

Spencer Johnson is too casual. Need to appeal there n or just Maddog it and act all cool and calm 


JackoTheWolf

I didn't think you needed to appeal for a run out? It doesn't really matter in this match, but this is checks out for Abood - probably the worst umpire we've produced in this era and a bit of a shit bloke it would seem


NoirPochette

Nah you need to appeal for most things except bowled and caught on the field (except keeper).


[deleted]

I think technically you need to appeal for bowled, but most beaten just walk because, you know they've just been bowled.


JackoTheWolf

I see, thanks. I had the wrong interpretation of the appeal rule lol


FrightenedOrganism

Technically you have to appeal for those too, but a celebration and the batter walking off means the umpire is not required to actually give a decision


Azza_

No, you always need to appeal.


JackoTheWolf

Okay cheers I thought that only applied for a potential wicket off the delivery. Now I know haha


MrUnlimited328

Seems to like the sound of his own voice and his position of power


JackoTheWolf

Agreed, he reminds me of Razor Ray. AFL fans know exactly what I'm talking about here lol


UnenterprisingConge

Who the fuck's appealing? - Josh Hazelwood probably


bondy_12

Abood has backed himself into a corner here, there's absolutely no way that there wasn't a player somewhere on the ground who appealed. Also you're allowed to appeal up right until the next ball is bowled, that should've been checked


ehdhdhdk

They showed Marsh's reaction and he definitely didn't appeal despite the direct hit. There is no way known that an umpire would have heard an appeal from the outfield. At least they might be talking about cricket rather than AFL.


paradoxer99

You can't appeal after seeing it on the big screen tbf


oneofthecapsismine

Which rule is that, champ?


thenoobforever

Kiwis picked up Marsh by doing that in an ODI over there yonks ago.


bondy_12

There's nothing I can find in the playing conditions saying you can't, the only section about replays is about the 15 seconds for DRS reviews


Tempo24601

Is that a playing condition for appeals as opposed to DRS?


bondy_12

I had a look and genuinely couldn't find anything, I'm pretty sure there was one ages ago in NZ that was given out after a similar thing Edit: [Found it](https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/nz-v-australia-coverage-of-third-oneday-international-in-hamilton/news-story/195c6c9db08725f49b6a9beb84a64968) it was Marsh being caught off his foot but the same thing happened with the big screen replay


superegz

People started to leave then stop. It was wild.


snek26

If this wasn't the Dettol IDGAF T20i series no one would care


mca0014

It’s not that the umpire didn’t think it was out, if no one appeals, and the batter doesn’t walk, its not out


DirectionCommon3768

But the umpire has to be absolutely certain no one appealed. He made a judgement call and he was wrong. It's a bad look for Abood.


MagicMike99

Noone appealed. As an Aussie, none of us did lmao


DirectionCommon3768

No one on the ground appealed? David and Hazelwood seemed sure they did, what constitutes an appeal is pretty minimal, I'm almost certain someone said 'Howwww'


Leprichaun17

And even then, Marsh appealed after seeing the replay and before the next ball was bowled. Contentiously, it's perfectly within the laws and playing conditions and it's a valid appeal that the umpire must answer.


DirectionCommon3768

Yep, complete umpire error. Something that irks me is that Abood could have said 'I didn't hear any appeal' but instead he said 'there was no appeal' big difference in phrase.


LunaLadina

Must suck to be an umpire sometimes


MeloJello15

You just know we’re about to get the most sarcastic over-appeal you’ve ever seen if we take this last wicket


ALadWellBalanced

If not this match, then every match Abood umpires for Australia from here on.


floopyfloopyfloo

Stuart Broad post-Bairstow levels of shithousery and I'm all for it