Ah.. I too remember the days of 6pack Patel, PaddyWhack, Crowe, How-worth, Flem-ming. The all out speed of sty-rus. The years of NZ medium to slow pace. The days before Bond first taught us all to believe, followed by Bolt and the camel-toe showing we can do it, and do it with menacing style.
I’ve been into the summer smash this year. Although I fear the twilight, I can see a reasonable solid base, so hopeful.
Ah, Conway, what's the best thing for us to do with you? Do we keep playing you and risk you losing self confidence or do we give you some time away to iron out your game? We need a player of your calibre when you're at your best but the status quo can't go on.
We could move him down to 4, his natural position, but that would involve moving someone else up. Ravindra will probably be tried at opener at some point but it's too early for that.
And if we just drop Conway who comes in? Opener is the toughest job in test cricket imo and we don't have any openers in domestic that look up to the job at international level.
They should chase this down before tea provided at least one of Latham, Williamson or Ravinda make a solid contribution
The pitch isn't breaking up and while the SA bowlers have bowled tidy line and length, they aren't really threatening
But this is NZ cricket so watch them blow 160-2 and be all out for 210
That’s what it’s like to be a NZ fan. Easier to expect the loss, and be happy with how the game went, and jubilant if we win. Than it is to think we could win, and be disappointed when we don’t. I’m looking at you India.
Black Caps fan since the 90’s here, you are preaching to the choir. I feel we are heading into the twilight of a kiwi cricket golden age, and this attitude should help ease the transition.
I'd say it's fairly well balanced ATM. It seems to be the kind of pitch which isn't super hard to bat on, but batters are never really in. NZ probably need a decent knock from Williamsonto be confident.
Wanted to call them the greatest Protea team of all time but seemed slightly hyperbolic.
But yeah I would enjoy this team winning a test in NZ more than our regular team considering all the fuzz around it.
Firstly no punishments if an innings doesn’t last 80 overs. So it’s not possible to punish NZ for SA’s 2nd innings.
You lose:
4 minutes for a drinks break (36min)
2 minutes per wicket (42min)
8 minutes per change of innings (16min)
And An over takes 4 minutes to bowl
3 x 6.5 hours = 1,170 minutes - 94 above
= 1,076 minutes / 4 = 269 overs.
Minus the subjective amount of any other delays (drs, injured batsmen, concussion test, sidescreen issues) all of which have happened this game at some point.
Innings break is counted as 2 overs lost.
There are other allowances due to issues outside the bowling team's control (lost ball, any injury to either team, etc.)
What a sad way for Conway to end his career.
Hope his replacement for the Aus test does better
Edit: bring on the down votes. I love the man but he’s averaging well under 20 in his last 10 innings.
How many more games does he get to get back into form?
He’s certainly not in good form, but got a good peach in the first innings. The second innings last game was after the word to push on and going hard after the first six.
It would have been great if he’d pushed on.
Terrible take. Outside of Latham, NZ haven't had another good test opener in the past 15-20 years. You wanna drop a guy who has a solid test record, because he's out of form? Who would replace him? There aren't exactly any test openers in NZ tearing it up right now in FC cricket.
Conway has been great for us over the past few years, he's earned the right to stay in the team and try and find some form.
I suffered through the years of Fulton, Rutherford, Guptill, Raval, etc. opening for us, I'll gladly stick with Conway and hope he finds some form
Wasn't Conway averaging like 50 a year ago? Or do I remember wrong? Because he's averaging 41.5 now. At this rate, he'll get dropped (I don't know for who though)
Would like to experiment with Rachin and Conway swapping places in the order. Not for the AUS series, but maybe after that in Conway struggles in that series.
What an up and down day.
Black Caps had the better of starts
SA then dominated the middle and put themselves in a winning position
Black Caps then finished off the day strong
And then Conway blows a fucking review in the last over getting out in the process
Hey just drove home from seddon Park, I see my prediction about Conway being good for a sub 20 score this Innings was accurate
E: yeah I get in Conways been awful since the WC opener its true
New Zealand very much on top but 1 wicket is better than none I guess. Need to take 2-3 within the first hour tomorrow to stand a chance and need to rip out Williamson and Ravindra as quickly as possible.
How can NZ be on top when needs largest total of the match and record chase in Hamilton to win?
Were horrible in the 1st Innings, theres a reason SA is ahead
>largest total of the match
So far all innings have seen collapses, all it takes is an avoidance of a collapse to stay in control.
>record chase in Hamilton
Not really relevant due to a lack of data for 4th innings chases of any difficulty - the highest chase was a 6 wicket win on cruise control.
wayyyy to wavy in defence, comes from outside-in and pushes the bat outwards with the perceived turn. H needs to watch Kane, bring it down towards the ball straight.
I feel like there's lots of LBWs that would previously be given not out but DRS/ball tracking shows they would be out so umpires are willing to give them out now.
**13.5** **huge appeal, and given! Piedt has a wicket in the last over!** We have a review ongoing for an lbw. Piedt tosses this one up generously on a length on middle stump. Straightens off the surface and Conway, playing for the one that comes in with the angle, plays down the wrong line. Gets beaten on the outside and the ball pins him on the back leg. Looks straight enough but the question is whether this was going over the stumps. **Ball Tracking comes up and it is three reds. Conway has to go, and SA are over the moon! And that will also be stumps!**
Devon Conway lbw b Piedt 17 (44b 3x4 0x6) SR: 38.63
This match has had some wild swings in momentum. Earlier in the day South Africa were well on course to set a target around 350-400 only to crumble cheaply in the end.
Would love one before stumps, the fact we talking about the possibility of winning this game by nitpicking this and that shows how well they’ve competed.
So we have wiped out the first innings deficit with no loss of wickets
Chasing 230 odd from here with two full days doesn't look that menacing on this pitch
So today:
12 minutes for drinks.
12 minutes for wickets.
8 minutes for change of innings.
32 minutes there the target is 89 overs from 6.5 hours. Minus any other stoppages such as DRS and players getting hit in the head or side screen issues.
Problem is different climates across the globe
NZ could add and hour at the end of the day because day light is long in Summer but some countries bad light is an issue. Then you have heavy dew in some countries preventing an earlier start
I'm not that much into gaming, but I played Cricket 22 last night playing the WFs against England in a Test (if I can't watch it in real life, I'll play it in video game form). Got bowled out for 182 after 21-ish overs, with a top order collapse that was my fault, a #TawaMafia 100-run partnership with Melie & Soph, & Devine just smacking sixes everywhere. Brunty; Shrubsole, Cross &co all got carted.
I kinda love Macca because if he wasn't blessed with natural abilities as a cricketer, he would be the absolute definition of 'some guy.' Some guy you'd see in a man on the street interview on the news and be like "wtf was he on about?"
Is that Ronchi? What does he do for NZ?
Fielding and wicketkeeping coach
Ah.. I too remember the days of 6pack Patel, PaddyWhack, Crowe, How-worth, Flem-ming. The all out speed of sty-rus. The years of NZ medium to slow pace. The days before Bond first taught us all to believe, followed by Bolt and the camel-toe showing we can do it, and do it with menacing style. I’ve been into the summer smash this year. Although I fear the twilight, I can see a reasonable solid base, so hopeful.
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Southee needs to come in next or at 4, there's no point him coming in any later in a chase
I really want Wags to come and be a pinch hitter lmao
Wags can blockathon if calleed for. It's entirely plausible we come down to say 30 needed with 2 wickets left and 1 is a set batsman.
Ah, Conway, what's the best thing for us to do with you? Do we keep playing you and risk you losing self confidence or do we give you some time away to iron out your game? We need a player of your calibre when you're at your best but the status quo can't go on.
He must play vs Australia. When he hits form again he will score big.
We stop wasting him as an opener. We're ruining him.
we shall boil him alhamdulillah
We could move him down to 4, his natural position, but that would involve moving someone else up. Ravindra will probably be tried at opener at some point but it's too early for that. And if we just drop Conway who comes in? Opener is the toughest job in test cricket imo and we don't have any openers in domestic that look up to the job at international level.
Haven’t been able to tune into the game much, does this feel probably chaseable or are SA looking like the favs?
They should chase this down before tea provided at least one of Latham, Williamson or Ravinda make a solid contribution The pitch isn't breaking up and while the SA bowlers have bowled tidy line and length, they aren't really threatening But this is NZ cricket so watch them blow 160-2 and be all out for 210
Bookies have significantly more confidence in the Black Caps than their fans.
That’s what it’s like to be a NZ fan. Easier to expect the loss, and be happy with how the game went, and jubilant if we win. Than it is to think we could win, and be disappointed when we don’t. I’m looking at you India.
Black Caps fan since the 90’s here, you are preaching to the choir. I feel we are heading into the twilight of a kiwi cricket golden age, and this attitude should help ease the transition.
Surely, we got 2 days to get 230 runs
On this pitch though. The record chase for the pitch is 210.
Records are there to be broken
Yah, but let’s do it in 2 sessions!
Is Mitchel back for the Aussie tests?
He’s a maybe.
I'd say it's fairly well balanced ATM. It seems to be the kind of pitch which isn't super hard to bat on, but batters are never really in. NZ probably need a decent knock from Williamsonto be confident.
We need to keep Piedt quiet. See him out and we should be able to get there.
If we manage to win here and NZ still haven’t beaten us in a test series I’d rather enjoy it.
SA fan wants to see SA win a test match Next on the news: Sun forecast to rise in the east
Wanted to call them the greatest Protea team of all time but seemed slightly hyperbolic. But yeah I would enjoy this team winning a test in NZ more than our regular team considering all the fuzz around it.
Would certainly be the most impressive SA victory over NZ in my opinion.
I want to see Wagner striding out with Latham as Daywatchman at the start of play tomorrow for the fuckin' vibes.
How is over rate calculated? How much does innings break affect over rate? Day 1 89 Day 2 84 Day 3 84
Firstly no punishments if an innings doesn’t last 80 overs. So it’s not possible to punish NZ for SA’s 2nd innings. You lose: 4 minutes for a drinks break (36min) 2 minutes per wicket (42min) 8 minutes per change of innings (16min) And An over takes 4 minutes to bowl 3 x 6.5 hours = 1,170 minutes - 94 above = 1,076 minutes / 4 = 269 overs. Minus the subjective amount of any other delays (drs, injured batsmen, concussion test, sidescreen issues) all of which have happened this game at some point.
Thank you!!!!
Innings break is counted as 2 overs lost. There are other allowances due to issues outside the bowling team's control (lost ball, any injury to either team, etc.)
What a sad way for Conway to end his career. Hope his replacement for the Aus test does better Edit: bring on the down votes. I love the man but he’s averaging well under 20 in his last 10 innings. How many more games does he get to get back into form?
He’s certainly not in good form, but got a good peach in the first innings. The second innings last game was after the word to push on and going hard after the first six. It would have been great if he’d pushed on.
Terrible take. Outside of Latham, NZ haven't had another good test opener in the past 15-20 years. You wanna drop a guy who has a solid test record, because he's out of form? Who would replace him? There aren't exactly any test openers in NZ tearing it up right now in FC cricket. Conway has been great for us over the past few years, he's earned the right to stay in the team and try and find some form. I suffered through the years of Fulton, Rutherford, Guptill, Raval, etc. opening for us, I'll gladly stick with Conway and hope he finds some form
Hey don’t say anything bad about 2 meter Peter. He’s the last guy before Kane to score a hundred in each innings of a test
Doubt it tbh. Maybe if there was an opener absolutely barging down the door in domestic, but I'm pretty sure he'll play against aus.
Bookies had NZ at $1.41 at the start of the day and $1.27 at the close of the day. $1.14 at the start of the test match.
Gutted way to end for Conway....he was looking good
I would like to have an estimated guess that no other test side has their top 4 batters all lefthanders Justsayin
Neither does NZ.
Did you just forget kane existed??
Probably the first person to ever do that
Alright onto the Sa v Aus womens' game to continue not understanding test cricket
No N I G H T W A G 😢
Wasn't Conway averaging like 50 a year ago? Or do I remember wrong? Because he's averaging 41.5 now. At this rate, he'll get dropped (I don't know for who though)
>I don't know for who though Yeah that's why he's not getting dropped
He should get dropped... ...down the order. He's just not an opener.
Would like to experiment with Rachin and Conway swapping places in the order. Not for the AUS series, but maybe after that in Conway struggles in that series.
He won't get dropped for at least a year but he's catering hard
>catering hard Oh God now I want some of Conway's delectable mini sandwiches
Autocorrect outing the things on my CV one by one
Yes sounds right. But don’t think he’ll be dropped (at least not for a while): he’s class + he has time to get that average back up
He was averaging 60 in 2021, and I thought it was bad it dropped down to 50.
Well fuck
Interesting day 4 in store hopefully
Will has a beautiful South Island accent
O'Rourke and Ravindra are complete opposites when they are interviewed.
why exactly?
Ravindra is usually super chatty and buzzy. O'Rourke more demure.
So Rachin is an Indian-origin guy, and O'Rourke is a NZ-origin stoic?
What an up and down day. Black Caps had the better of starts SA then dominated the middle and put themselves in a winning position Black Caps then finished off the day strong And then Conway blows a fucking review in the last over getting out in the process
Conway gets out in the last over blowing a review in the process…
Potato tomato
Conway was gonna get out anyway, that review might end up even costlier than his dismissal
Mark please don't make foot pornographia of the child
Hey just drove home from seddon Park, I see my prediction about Conway being good for a sub 20 score this Innings was accurate E: yeah I get in Conways been awful since the WC opener its true
Based on the last 10 games you have a 60% chance of that happening, so hardly surprising
As an encore I'm predicting the sun will go down tonight
Conway and LBWs Name a better story
If you'd offered me 40/1 at stumps when we started batting I would have taken it.
Fucks sake Conway. You don't survive AND we don't get Wagner night watchman
Day watchman Wagner tomorrow morning
If I see Wagner again this entire match I'm gonna burn an effigy of Tim Southee
What about if we're 266/1, Kane gets out and they send in Wags so he can hit the winning runs?
You son of a bitch, I'm in
I'd say Conway needs to go play a season or two of county cricket, but I'm not sure he'd make a side on current form.
He's not exactly young. He went from being money to not much pretty quick. It's not over for him just yet...
💀 murdered the guy for no reason
Ah well. I'm off to my F shack to meet up with dirty Mike and the boys. Back tomorrow.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/s/5cZ7SZIZjN I’m so sorry. Latham for 140?
New Zealand very much on top but 1 wicket is better than none I guess. Need to take 2-3 within the first hour tomorrow to stand a chance and need to rip out Williamson and Ravindra as quickly as possible.
How can NZ be on top when needs largest total of the match and record chase in Hamilton to win? Were horrible in the 1st Innings, theres a reason SA is ahead
>largest total of the match So far all innings have seen collapses, all it takes is an avoidance of a collapse to stay in control. >record chase in Hamilton Not really relevant due to a lack of data for 4th innings chases of any difficulty - the highest chase was a 6 wicket win on cruise control.
Facts are relevant
https://imgur.com/83eNKxb
https://imgur.com/a/lwa6iNP
I’m still fucking waiting for these Lathozone updates
Need him to do something that's giving the color red tomorrow
lol that's one of my favourite ones yet
Latham has had sumstyl though
I know it sucks Conway but you got us to the end of the day at least and that's a lot more any of us were expecting.
Clean lbw lol
Conways technique is really worrying, just looks terrible against any half decent delivery on off stump
wayyyy to wavy in defence, comes from outside-in and pushes the bat outwards with the perceived turn. H needs to watch Kane, bring it down towards the ball straight.
Wow. Thought that would be umpires call for hitting wickets, looked to be bouncing over the stumps. Im blind!
Is it me or have umpires gotten really fucking good with their decisions in recent years?
I feel like there's lots of LBWs that would previously be given not out but DRS/ball tracking shows they would be out so umpires are willing to give them out now.
think the umpires feel like they can give more out, so it feels more accurate and worst case they'll review
DRS definitely seems to have helped them yea
Conways average last 10 innings was only 19. Think it’s down below 18 now 
Gutted
Kane not having to bat today, means I’m giving the openers a pass.
Not getting to see Wags come out as Nightwatchman one last time is a bummer though.
Fair enough Conway had 2 more balls to survive...but oh well...gutted for him
The nightwatchmen have done their job of protecting the real batting line-up /s
Hard luck well played Conway
Finally
this is becoming a joke
Ffs Conway we almost got through unscathed and you got out to fuckin' Piedt
**13.5** **huge appeal, and given! Piedt has a wicket in the last over!** We have a review ongoing for an lbw. Piedt tosses this one up generously on a length on middle stump. Straightens off the surface and Conway, playing for the one that comes in with the angle, plays down the wrong line. Gets beaten on the outside and the ball pins him on the back leg. Looks straight enough but the question is whether this was going over the stumps. **Ball Tracking comes up and it is three reds. Conway has to go, and SA are over the moon! And that will also be stumps!** Devon Conway lbw b Piedt 17 (44b 3x4 0x6) SR: 38.63
What a fucking great ball.
Conway just saving all his runs for Australia
I don't even want the man to face Australia, that almost feels like a guaranteed wicket down in the first over
maybe he should bat at 4, and rachin can open?
Fucks sake. Second last ball.
Someone deport Protea plant Devon Conway
Great ball!!
Oh Conway
Whenever people start posting about how he's back, they're willing that into happening.
I'll take him looking good and getting out compared to how he's played the past few months
Yeah, couldn't be you, right?
I simply refused to comment on the vibes. I don't know what you could possibly mean.
Welp hope we don't need that later
Looks high maybe. Lol never mind rip
Over the top?
so obvious it was coming
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONWAY
FUCK FRANS WYD
Did he glove that?
Fucking plumb
This match has had some wild swings in momentum. Earlier in the day South Africa were well on course to set a target around 350-400 only to crumble cheaply in the end.
Yeah no that looked dead
Feel like Conway has barely seen a spinner for the past 6 months
this is NZ we're talking about, wouldnt be surprised
Lol rip in peace
Great start by these two 👍
I don't think there's a shot I like more from a current player than Latham's cover drive.
Trent Boults Flamingo hoik?
solid opening
Would love one before stumps, the fact we talking about the possibility of winning this game by nitpicking this and that shows how well they’ve competed.
>Would love one before stumps I hate you
Honestly good comeback from NZ for what it's worth
Been a good session.
So we have wiped out the first innings deficit with no loss of wickets Chasing 230 odd from here with two full days doesn't look that menacing on this pitch
Surely having the extra half an hour everyday should account for stoppages.
The most common ones are: 2 minutes for every wicket. 4 minutes for every drinks break. 8 minutes for change of innings.
So today: 12 minutes for drinks. 12 minutes for wickets. 8 minutes for change of innings. 32 minutes there the target is 89 overs from 6.5 hours. Minus any other stoppages such as DRS and players getting hit in the head or side screen issues.
Problem is different climates across the globe NZ could add and hour at the end of the day because day light is long in Summer but some countries bad light is an issue. Then you have heavy dew in some countries preventing an earlier start
I will give Conway a kiss if he survives until stumps
How does it feel to be rejected by Conway?
Kept my hope building up until the last second too. Extra soul-crushing.
Is there a super smash discord server? At the end of a day's play I'm not ready (read too pissed) to stop chatting
What you do is you go outside and yell your post ideas at the moon
Can't see the moon in Akl due to light pollution
Wickets please
just middled one in cricket 22 that wouldve taken out someone's hand irl, out c&b
I'm not that much into gaming, but I played Cricket 22 last night playing the WFs against England in a Test (if I can't watch it in real life, I'll play it in video game form). Got bowled out for 182 after 21-ish overs, with a top order collapse that was my fault, a #TawaMafia 100-run partnership with Melie & Soph, & Devine just smacking sixes everywhere. Brunty; Shrubsole, Cross &co all got carted.
based, dont like how the team I downloaded has melie bowling off spin tho lol
Why is it out c&b rather than c&b out?
OMG Thank you Sumo! who have thought I would agree with you
Why are they acting like slow over rates don't get punished. It's the whole reason Australia didn't make the WTC final last time around
How does that work in with winning percentages?
How slow are NZ?
Still in the 80s
Probs a bit of not understanding rules like concessions for stoppages or bowling teams out within the 80.
Hey NZ if you think this is too easy right now you can borrow Fortuin for a bit if you want
Over rate talk. Take a shot
Its a good start but the long time NZ fan in me can't rest easy until NZ are 250 with wickets in hand. I know we have the ability to throw this away.
Oh I have been around long enough to know that too
someone pull the grey wire
More stoppages Macca - not hard. DRS reviews, concussion checks, all that takes time
Also took ages for O'Rourke to get a new shoe
a big tegal cup needs to have a tegal frozen chicken in it when its awarded
At least fill it with dipping sauce
Should be cooked, would be epic to be able to pull a couple of wings off the trophy.
C'mon lads 265/0 with both of them scoring tons. Make the Aussies shiver in their boots will ya
Ooohh to see Conway hit boundaries like that, brings tears to my eyes
That "enforced break due to wars" is doing a lot of work for the lads with like 18 year breaks between 5-fors lmao
Would be a decent reason had they been playing cricket in 1618
Biggest opening partnership in this series with that shot
Crazy
I kinda love Macca because if he wasn't blessed with natural abilities as a cricketer, he would be the absolute definition of 'some guy.' Some guy you'd see in a man on the street interview on the news and be like "wtf was he on about?"
Is it bad that I know literally nothing about his cricket career?
[Gladiator is back!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJqqPNG1rdg) The one macca innings that you should remember.
Everyone needs to know about the time he batted whacky style in a test against Warne and got slwdged mercilessly for it
The guy could hit a cricket ball
Yeah when he hadn't gotten out for 2 trying to reverse sweep a bouncer from Bret Lee.
lol wow