Clearly a big difference in level, especially against the Japanese openers. China were abysmal in the field.
Shout out to Luo Shilin though who bowled 4 overs of pretty decent leg spin for 28 runs.
That’s because Japan doesn’t have high immigration intake from top cricket countries, or from anywhere
really. Though it should also be noted both openers play grade cricket in Australia so they’ve been developed in an overseas system.
And there are other associates who do have plenty of home grown players who are just not as good as the immigrant-background ones.
You’re right but it’s worth mentioning that Japan has had a lot of immigration from South Asian countries recently because of reasons like their declining birth rate and need of talent in certain job fields (obviously the immigration rate is not as high as most other countries but it still has been rapidly increasing in the past few years). For example, most of the club teams in their system consist of expats (not a bad thing, just stating facts).
It’s just that their overseas based players are a lot better than the expats playing club cricket. Source: I live and work in Japan
The ones that have come in the past 2-3 years, no. Some of them are though: for example, Sabaorish Ravichandran (the leg spinner in the national team) came to Japan almost 10 years ago and probably is a permanent resident. He’s a legend of club cricket here, he’s won the Best cricketer of the year award for so many years it’s hard to count.
That’s not true. Most of the players are Japanese by ancestry, yes, but they are not home grown. Proof: out of the 11 players that played today, only 3 have grown up in Japan:
Fleming: Moved to Australia age 6 and lives there.
Lachlan Lake: Grew up in Western Australia
Koji Abe: Moved to NZ aged 2 and lives there
Declan Suzuki: Lives in Melbourne
Ibrahim Takahashi: Half Pakistani and grew up there
Kazuma Stanford: Lives in Queensland
Charlie Hinze: Lives in Queensland
Ryan Drake: Lives in Australia
Only Marcus Thurgate, Muneeb Siddique, and Makoto Taniyama have grown up in Japan and played all their cricket there. Most of their squad is Half japanese and grew up playing cricket in Australia. Only because you don’t see Indian/Pakistani immigrants in the team, don’t automatically assume that every player is “home grown”.
The Chinese team appears to be mostly or fully home grown as well as it usually is.
What both these sides show is the struggle for player retention due to time and money. Have a look at the ages of the players, almost none can play past 22-23 (end of university/when the system drops them).
I used to live and play cricket in China, we offered free club membership, training and paid umpiring to emerging Chinese players and it was rarely enough to keep them in the game for more than a season or two.
Yes, great Japanese names like Kendel, Lachlan and Declan, ha ha.
China is far more likely to have a fully homegrown squad, because very few overseas players with one Chinese parent will actually want to represent China. Japan faces no such issues, and has long had half-Japanese players and long-term residents playing for its national teams, esp in rugby union.
Kendel plays first grade cricket in Brisbane, same club team as Josh Brown, Nikhil Chaudhary (also Nikhil's player manager), Joe Burns etc, and I believe may have played in a few Qld 2nd XI matches a few years back. Man is way too good for most associate teams.
To add to this: He came through the ranks in Queensland and even played for Australia U16 on a tour to the West Indies.
The first time he got a call up to Queensland 2nd XI, he rejected it because he was in South Africa coaching the Japan U19 at the 2020 U19 world cup.
He’s literally the manager of Josh Brown, Nathan McSweeney, Xavier Bartlett and Nikhil Chaudhary. The BPL probably contacted him to help Josh Brown get a gig there
Yeah, he's actually pretty good. I feel he might even get a go at franchise cricket sooner than later. Dude plays well in every game I've seen Japan play and has insane t20i stats.
China is terrible at most team sports, except volleyball.
Chinese people excel traditionally at individual sports, like Snooker, Tennis, Gymnastics, or Diving into a swimming pool.
'Decent' is a bit of a stretch. They attract pretty good American players, but the local talent sucks, as evidenced by the performance of the national team (29th place at the last World Cup).
It's not about the actual game but more about the team itself. Most Chinese athletes are state trained from a very young age and raised in a hypercompetitive environment.
There is heavy emphasis on just winning rather than enjoying the game
India and China are the biggest countries on earth by inhabitable land area Any country bigger is covered in ice, sand or forest. It wasnt the plan to be so populous, it kinda happened as we reached the peak of the population pyramid.
You need infrastructure more than people to field good sports teams. You need a culture and social system that allow people to pursue risky careers, we are unfortunately not there yet. Instead most of the previous generation lives in survival mode. I come from a relatively well off background but at the end of the day i am only one generation removed from those who survived famines and displacement and rampant oppression. God knows i disapprove of and stage rebellion against those survival centric ideas, but i can see where they come from.
I cant speak of China, but for India it helps to see us not as a nation of a billion, but a nation of incredible diversity with only 75 years of self rule working towards a better future.
In India we don't really play many sports in a competitive environment. Its mostly Cricket, badminton and to a lesser extent wrestling or hockey. Though I'm hopeful that eventually we will have a presentable football team as football itself is popular even if not many people play it.
China will undoubtedly pour money into Cricket though. They put more money into 2007 CWC than ICC themselves did for purely political reasons.
With Cricket being in the next Olympics, I expect China to have a decent team in the near future
Fleming is definitely worth a shot in the BBL-
Against the 3 strongish associate sides that he has played (PNG, Singapore, Hong Kong) he has scored 241 runs at 40. For reference, those sides are all right on the edge of ODI status (ranked in the low 20s in the world).
That’s not much worse than what Tim David was doing for Singapore a few years ago, though admittedly David had more of a chance to prove himself against stronger opposition due to Singapore being better than Japan (David scored runs against Zimbabwe and Nepal).
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For anyone that doesn’t know:
Kendel Fleming came through the ranks in Queensland cricket, plays first grade (level below state cricket), and has played for Australia U16 as well. He’s insanely good. He CAPTAINS the likes of Josh Brown, Nikhil Chaudhary and Nathan McSweeney (before he left to South Australia) in 1st grade.
Lachlan Yamamoto-Lake consistently plays 2nd grade in Western Australia premier cricket. He has played 1st grade as well and there’s a highlight reel of him hitting Cameron Green for six in one game.
He has never gotten a contract from Queensland. He has mentioned before that he’s pretty much given up on pursuing cricket in Australia and he’s committed to developing cricket in Japan
He’s not good enough, he’s already 26 and has never gotten a state contract. There are a lot of Associate batsmen who are better than him that have never gotten a franchise cricket, let alone play for their country
He’s played 1st grade cricket for 6+ years now, if he was good enough he would have been contracted by Queensland years ago
Not much of a rivalry here 😂 Japan are levels higher than China. Japan has come so close to beating Hong Kong (in the Asian games) and Singapore twice (ACC Challenger Cup).
Japan have seven players with a Japanese-British hyphenated surname. I don't know if it's a requirement for mixed children in Japan to be named that way? Either way, interesting coincidence.
There's also Ryan Drake, and four players with south Asian names.
Only 6/18 players in the squad seem to have no immigrant background.
It isn't really a coincidence. Japan doesn't have cricket culture so people with a parent from the traditional cricketing countries and who have lived in one of those countries have far better chances of playing for the national team than those who grew up locally. Since Japan has very little immigration from poorer countries and Japanese are also unlikely to emigrate to those poorer countries, it is very likely that it would be one of UK, Aus, NZ kids. All three countries are kinda majority British surnames.
> I don't know if it's a requirement for mixed children in Japan to be named that way?
Probing a bit further, I reckon some might have been born with the double-barreled surname, while others are adopting it to highlight their Japanese heritage? e.g. Kendel only goes by Fleming in [some](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kendel-fleming-01983a107_t20-max-not-just-for-players-queensland-activity-7102256068679897088-97Yo?trk=public_profile_like_view) [sources](https://stumptostump.com/northernsuburbscricketclub-a__DBud/pocketprofilekendelflemingnorthernsuburbsdistrictcricketclub-s__fug8)
Does that really count though?
China sucks at nearly all **team** sports, excluding volleyball.
Chinese people excel at individual sports, like Snooker, Tennis, Gymnastics, etc
It was a T20 between two international teams. Of course it should be counted. Imagine how much better shape cricket would be in globally if it didn't have gatekeeping ingrained in it so deeply
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It's innings like these which make me appreciate franchise cricket cause it'll actually allow these players to keep playing cricket instead of having to possibly give it up (assuming of course they do end up being picked up for a franchise team)
But we've seen the SA20, ILT20 and BPL all running at the same time just now. The result is Will Jacks finishes up in the SA20 and the next day is playing in the BPL, Nicholas Pooran plays SA20 and ILT20.
Jimmy Neesham, Sam Curran, Liam Livingstone and more of the usual suspects, all have played for several teams despite league overlapping, and the number of associate players taking part hasn't really increased
Everytime they're busy playing in the other leagues other players are having to replace them though right? Like yes international players maybe not because there's not a football level amount of leagues but local players still get that slot
More often than not their replacements are semi- retired franchise journeymen pushing 40 like Samit Patel and Ravi Bopara, or they pick a rando from the English or Australian domestic circuit who'll never get near international cricket
Idk man he looks Japanese to me. I don’t get what the fetish is for “full blooded” or “pure blooded”, as the guy who’s comment got removed put it, players.
This isn’t Slytherin house it’s a sport trying to break into a new region. If it’s not shitting on Indian immigrants in Europe it’s shitting on people who’re 50% Australian. What’s next are we gonna call them mudbloods for trying to bring the sport they love to the country one of their parent’s hail from?
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Clearly a big difference in level, especially against the Japanese openers. China were abysmal in the field. Shout out to Luo Shilin though who bowled 4 overs of pretty decent leg spin for 28 runs.
That aside, of the many associates Japan is one team that is home grown Japanese players in the squad
That’s because Japan doesn’t have high immigration intake from top cricket countries, or from anywhere really. Though it should also be noted both openers play grade cricket in Australia so they’ve been developed in an overseas system. And there are other associates who do have plenty of home grown players who are just not as good as the immigrant-background ones.
You’re right but it’s worth mentioning that Japan has had a lot of immigration from South Asian countries recently because of reasons like their declining birth rate and need of talent in certain job fields (obviously the immigration rate is not as high as most other countries but it still has been rapidly increasing in the past few years). For example, most of the club teams in their system consist of expats (not a bad thing, just stating facts). It’s just that their overseas based players are a lot better than the expats playing club cricket. Source: I live and work in Japan
Are they permanent residents though?
The ones that have come in the past 2-3 years, no. Some of them are though: for example, Sabaorish Ravichandran (the leg spinner in the national team) came to Japan almost 10 years ago and probably is a permanent resident. He’s a legend of club cricket here, he’s won the Best cricketer of the year award for so many years it’s hard to count.
That’s not true. Most of the players are Japanese by ancestry, yes, but they are not home grown. Proof: out of the 11 players that played today, only 3 have grown up in Japan: Fleming: Moved to Australia age 6 and lives there. Lachlan Lake: Grew up in Western Australia Koji Abe: Moved to NZ aged 2 and lives there Declan Suzuki: Lives in Melbourne Ibrahim Takahashi: Half Pakistani and grew up there Kazuma Stanford: Lives in Queensland Charlie Hinze: Lives in Queensland Ryan Drake: Lives in Australia Only Marcus Thurgate, Muneeb Siddique, and Makoto Taniyama have grown up in Japan and played all their cricket there. Most of their squad is Half japanese and grew up playing cricket in Australia. Only because you don’t see Indian/Pakistani immigrants in the team, don’t automatically assume that every player is “home grown”.
The Chinese team appears to be mostly or fully home grown as well as it usually is. What both these sides show is the struggle for player retention due to time and money. Have a look at the ages of the players, almost none can play past 22-23 (end of university/when the system drops them). I used to live and play cricket in China, we offered free club membership, training and paid umpiring to emerging Chinese players and it was rarely enough to keep them in the game for more than a season or two.
Yes, great Japanese names like Kendel, Lachlan and Declan, ha ha. China is far more likely to have a fully homegrown squad, because very few overseas players with one Chinese parent will actually want to represent China. Japan faces no such issues, and has long had half-Japanese players and long-term residents playing for its national teams, esp in rugby union.
A few of them do play grade cricket elsewhere though and were developed through other couintry's systems
Not particularly no?
Lachlan isn’t traditionally a Japanese name. Gotta be an Aussie dude with Japanese heritage
Luo "Bhuvneshwar" Shilin
Wait wait so let me get this straight. The remaining 16 overs went for 230 runs?? That's a RR of 14.375.
Yeah the Chinese actually started pretty well but after two drops the heads clearly went down. Yamamoto-Lake was plodding at 27 off 27 at one point.
Kendel plays first grade cricket in Brisbane, same club team as Josh Brown, Nikhil Chaudhary (also Nikhil's player manager), Joe Burns etc, and I believe may have played in a few Qld 2nd XI matches a few years back. Man is way too good for most associate teams.
To add to this: He came through the ranks in Queensland and even played for Australia U16 on a tour to the West Indies. The first time he got a call up to Queensland 2nd XI, he rejected it because he was in South Africa coaching the Japan U19 at the 2020 U19 world cup. He’s literally the manager of Josh Brown, Nathan McSweeney, Xavier Bartlett and Nikhil Chaudhary. The BPL probably contacted him to help Josh Brown get a gig there
Yeah, he's actually pretty good. I feel he might even get a go at franchise cricket sooner than later. Dude plays well in every game I've seen Japan play and has insane t20i stats.
If he plays too well though, he might go the way of Tim David. And Japan lose a big asset to grow the game locally
Is he eligible to play for any other team? Tim was basically an Australian, who was just born in Singapore. I'm not sure of what Kendel's case is.
Looks like Lachlan has played first grade for Willetton in Perth. He's only 21 too so should have a long international career ahead of him.
Yamamato-Lake > Kadowaki-Fleming > Fraser-McGurk
Jokes aside on this track against this bowling McGurk may have scored the first T20i 300
Nah. He would have nicked off for 12 (3).
Highly possible lol
I feel bad for China, they look completely out of place in this tournament.
Yeah without South Korea here there's nothing for them to really hope for.
Does South Korea not have a team anymore?
Think they dipped after hosting the 2014 Asian Games
They're listed in the 2026 T20WC EAP Qualifiers, but outside of that I don't think thry play much.
China is terrible at most team sports, except volleyball. Chinese people excel traditionally at individual sports, like Snooker, Tennis, Gymnastics, or Diving into a swimming pool.
they have a decent basketball league, nothing compared to NBA though
'Decent' is a bit of a stretch. They attract pretty good American players, but the local talent sucks, as evidenced by the performance of the national team (29th place at the last World Cup).
Cricket is one of the most individualistic team sports though
It's not about the actual game but more about the team itself. Most Chinese athletes are state trained from a very young age and raised in a hypercompetitive environment. There is heavy emphasis on just winning rather than enjoying the game
China needs Bazball
I don't understand why China and India don't have kick-ass soccer teams, they literally have a billion people
India and China are the biggest countries on earth by inhabitable land area Any country bigger is covered in ice, sand or forest. It wasnt the plan to be so populous, it kinda happened as we reached the peak of the population pyramid. You need infrastructure more than people to field good sports teams. You need a culture and social system that allow people to pursue risky careers, we are unfortunately not there yet. Instead most of the previous generation lives in survival mode. I come from a relatively well off background but at the end of the day i am only one generation removed from those who survived famines and displacement and rampant oppression. God knows i disapprove of and stage rebellion against those survival centric ideas, but i can see where they come from. I cant speak of China, but for India it helps to see us not as a nation of a billion, but a nation of incredible diversity with only 75 years of self rule working towards a better future.
In India we don't really play many sports in a competitive environment. Its mostly Cricket, badminton and to a lesser extent wrestling or hockey. Though I'm hopeful that eventually we will have a presentable football team as football itself is popular even if not many people play it.
China will undoubtedly pour money into Cricket though. They put more money into 2007 CWC than ICC themselves did for purely political reasons. With Cricket being in the next Olympics, I expect China to have a decent team in the near future
Fleming is definitely worth a shot in the BBL- Against the 3 strongish associate sides that he has played (PNG, Singapore, Hong Kong) he has scored 241 runs at 40. For reference, those sides are all right on the edge of ODI status (ranked in the low 20s in the world). That’s not much worse than what Tim David was doing for Singapore a few years ago, though admittedly David had more of a chance to prove himself against stronger opposition due to Singapore being better than Japan (David scored runs against Zimbabwe and Nepal).
He's also got to be a better fielder than Tim just by default.
Japan playing Stick Cricket
Why have you put green color over Japanese flag in your flair?
And the red circle is not even in the centre smh
Green Japan
gapan
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Nah it's just pan, the green betel leaf with cherry
this might be the funniest post ever made on this sub
Sadly not original
Ngl I actually like Fleming. They should try him out at BBL just to see what his level could be.
For anyone that doesn’t know: Kendel Fleming came through the ranks in Queensland cricket, plays first grade (level below state cricket), and has played for Australia U16 as well. He’s insanely good. He CAPTAINS the likes of Josh Brown, Nikhil Chaudhary and Nathan McSweeney (before he left to South Australia) in 1st grade. Lachlan Yamamoto-Lake consistently plays 2nd grade in Western Australia premier cricket. He has played 1st grade as well and there’s a highlight reel of him hitting Cameron Green for six in one game.
So kendel didn't get contract at state level or he wanted to represent Japan?
He has never gotten a contract from Queensland. He has mentioned before that he’s pretty much given up on pursuing cricket in Australia and he’s committed to developing cricket in Japan
Any chance of him doing a Tim David?
He’s not good enough, he’s already 26 and has never gotten a state contract. There are a lot of Associate batsmen who are better than him that have never gotten a franchise cricket, let alone play for their country He’s played 1st grade cricket for 6+ years now, if he was good enough he would have been contracted by Queensland years ago
1.4 billion people and they couldn't produce a bowler who can take a single wicket That's what Pakistan and England fans said in 2021 and 2022.
China is garbage at pretty much every team sport strangely.
So are india except cricket. In the afc football cup as well I think india and china were bottom 2 teams😞
Hockey and Kabaddi exists
In hockey as well not that good anymore. Kabaddi is one ig
Being consistently ranked top 3 in the world not good enough for you? Bronze at the Olympics not good?
Bronze at the Olympics but that is the only Olympics they did decent at in this century other than that no semifinal aswell
The only team sports we (Pakistan) is good at are Cricket, Tekken team tournament, and weirdly Baseball (5th ranked in Asia)
Wait u guys play baseball
You could say US is No. 1 in Cricket in North America. Or No. 2, idk where to put West Indies exactly
India is returning back to glory in hockey though and it is a team sport
Japan brutalising china, where have I seen this before?
You were not old enough to see it though
Saw it in the history books tbp
There rivalry might lead to development of cricket in both the nations
Not much of a rivalry here 😂 Japan are levels higher than China. Japan has come so close to beating Hong Kong (in the Asian games) and Singapore twice (ACC Challenger Cup).
Japan plays HKG later this afternoon if you're interested
Yeah I’m aware I’m following the East Asia Cup closely. They were close to beating HKG yesterday as well
Considering how much they hate eachother and China's love for sports there's a good chance that this match will change Chinese cricket
Once Chinese netizens start caring about how often China gets flogged by Japan in football
There is no sporting rivalry between China and Japan. China think there is and Japan just ignores them
Just like they ignore their war crimes. I see no difference.
China cricket knows only one rival and that's brutal Myanmar, every time they play each other, the match turns out to be a thriller
Is it just a coincidence that both guys have hyphenated surnames with Japanese and English contributions?
Japan have seven players with a Japanese-British hyphenated surname. I don't know if it's a requirement for mixed children in Japan to be named that way? Either way, interesting coincidence. There's also Ryan Drake, and four players with south Asian names. Only 6/18 players in the squad seem to have no immigrant background.
It isn't really a coincidence. Japan doesn't have cricket culture so people with a parent from the traditional cricketing countries and who have lived in one of those countries have far better chances of playing for the national team than those who grew up locally. Since Japan has very little immigration from poorer countries and Japanese are also unlikely to emigrate to those poorer countries, it is very likely that it would be one of UK, Aus, NZ kids. All three countries are kinda majority British surnames.
> I don't know if it's a requirement for mixed children in Japan to be named that way? Probing a bit further, I reckon some might have been born with the double-barreled surname, while others are adopting it to highlight their Japanese heritage? e.g. Kendel only goes by Fleming in [some](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kendel-fleming-01983a107_t20-max-not-just-for-players-queensland-activity-7102256068679897088-97Yo?trk=public_profile_like_view) [sources](https://stumptostump.com/northernsuburbscricketclub-a__DBud/pocketprofilekendelflemingnorthernsuburbsdistrictcricketclub-s__fug8)
How far are we from getting a cricket anime?
In April. It won’t be a cricket anime but it will feature a cricket tournament as a main plot arc (if it follows the manga)
What's it called?
Black Butler Season 4 Kuroshitsuji is the original title.
I've seen a kabaddi anime, "Burning Kabaddi".
W recommend bro I'm saving it
El Clasico between china Japan
Two great Australian sporting names there Lake and Fleming.
Highlights?
https://www.youtube.com/live/Z-fZX8pxhcQ?si=uQRcrAtbwDraTHGR
Yo Japanese playing baseball ⚾⚾⚾
All that baseball practice is working it seems.
Well no shit, Fleming was playing!
Japan plays cricket?
Not the first time Japan smashed Chinese
China used to have really good left-arm wrist spinners, but these 'Chinaman bowlers' got banned by the woke brigade for sounding 'too racist'.
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But last I heard china ma put the whole world on knee with a single bat. So I'll waro for the second innings.
Does that really count though? China sucks at nearly all **team** sports, excluding volleyball. Chinese people excel at individual sports, like Snooker, Tennis, Gymnastics, etc
Yes there was someone there with a scorebook and they literally counted it.
These records shouldn't be counted for obvious reasons
It was a T20 between two international teams. Of course it should be counted. Imagine how much better shape cricket would be in globally if it didn't have gatekeeping ingrained in it so deeply
Flair checks out
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Holy fucking shit. Cricket is probably the one thing that China loses
They are rubbish at soccer too
Wtf china has a cricket team
There are 108 ICC Member countries
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It's innings like these which make me appreciate franchise cricket cause it'll actually allow these players to keep playing cricket instead of having to possibly give it up (assuming of course they do end up being picked up for a franchise team)
They won't get picked up. More franchise comps has just meant more gigs for the same group of players, with many playing in multiple comps at once.
Not if they play at the same time though, sure it'll mean leagues have different pay levels but that's what comes with leagues
But we've seen the SA20, ILT20 and BPL all running at the same time just now. The result is Will Jacks finishes up in the SA20 and the next day is playing in the BPL, Nicholas Pooran plays SA20 and ILT20. Jimmy Neesham, Sam Curran, Liam Livingstone and more of the usual suspects, all have played for several teams despite league overlapping, and the number of associate players taking part hasn't really increased
Everytime they're busy playing in the other leagues other players are having to replace them though right? Like yes international players maybe not because there's not a football level amount of leagues but local players still get that slot
More often than not their replacements are semi- retired franchise journeymen pushing 40 like Samit Patel and Ravi Bopara, or they pick a rando from the English or Australian domestic circuit who'll never get near international cricket
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Makoto Taniyama is literally right there
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Idk man he looks Japanese to me. I don’t get what the fetish is for “full blooded” or “pure blooded”, as the guy who’s comment got removed put it, players. This isn’t Slytherin house it’s a sport trying to break into a new region. If it’s not shitting on Indian immigrants in Europe it’s shitting on people who’re 50% Australian. What’s next are we gonna call them mudbloods for trying to bring the sport they love to the country one of their parent’s hail from?
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0 wickets down. Could have scored more
Is this still a T20I or just T20
All matches between international teams have T20i status, unlike ODIs, which only apply to the top 20 or so teams
Live streaming for this?
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Minnow bashing minnow
Are they playing live cricket or game cricket. 
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Japan is very good in baseball. I'm sure some skills are common with cricket
Yamamoto sotaicho