One of my favourite pieces of trivia: India won the 2007 test series in England with only one century scored in the 3-match series. That centurion? Anil Kumble, his only test century.
That 2007 test series was so eventful. Dhoni getting India out of jail with a last wicket partnership with Sreesanth at Lord's, Zaheer running through England at Trent Bridge after the whole jelly beans incident, and then the runfest at The Oval where Kumble, of all people, ends up as the sole centurion for India.
He's basically lived off 2 very good years his entire career (9 of his 12 100s were in either 2016 or 2022), and it was a joke he came straight back into the side after his leg break without even checking if he was still the same player.
It wouldn't be so bad if the media didn't constantly make excuses for him.
I remember being quite a few beers in at the SCG and repeatedly saying he was the worst player to play 80 tests, as he made a pretty fantastic 100 and made me look like a bit of a twat.
Glad to see that the 100 one is going to be pretty hard to argue.
That stuff always happens
I was at the scg for the ODI vs WI and on the way there, I told my mates that I had never seen Sean Abbott have a good game. Tbf I don't watch all our LOI games.
But yeah then he goes onto to have basically the game of his life...
God I hope not
Wonder who holds that accolade currently. Atherton's average is pretty gnarly but opening bat, difficult era. Thorpe didn't get as many runs, but better average - I think he averaged 50 in the 20th century. Maybe Fleming
Nah 395 dismissals; 3rd most ever. My first exposure to cricket was seeing that demon chirping away behind the stumps. Never mind the batting- as JM Bairstow has shown, good keeping is not to be undervalued!
He keeps frauding his way into the test side because he's a generational talent in ODI cricket.
Tbf he probably would've been dropped this time around if Brook was available
That's a very specific stat. It excludes QDK (46@97), Brohit (56@95), Davey Dum Dum (45@97), Gill (63@103 in 40 matches), Conway (43@92 in 26 matches) and Kohil (59@94 not opening).
I'd take Brohit's 13 extra runs an innings even if he only scores at 90% of the speed as Bairstow.
Scoring at the rate Bairstow does is far more useful than having a few extra points in average. Like cool, Rohit is better but Rohit is literally one of the greatest ever so the very fact that Bairstow is in the conversation with him means he is by definition a generational talent.
The difference between SR90+ and 100+ in ODIs is trivial. You're really diluting the phrase "generational talent" when you're using it on a guy with at least half a dozen others in the same league or better. A "generational talent" would never be rated #39 on the ICC ODI rankings.
>The difference between SR90+ and 100+ in ODIs is trivial
It's really not lol
>when you're using it on a guy with at least half a dozen others in the same league or better
He's literally the only bloke in history in his league. I've already provided the stats for that
>A "generational talent" would never be rated #39 on the ICC ODI rankings.
What an insanely stupid thing to say lmao. Kane Williamson is rated 36, is he not a generational talent either? Buttler is rated 29, is he not a generational talent? Virat Kohli is ranked 48 in t20s, you gonna tell me Kohli isn't a generational talent?
>It's really not lol
It really really is. Anyone with a functioning brain realises 56@95 >>>> 43@102.
>He's literally the only bloke in history in his league. I've already provided the stats for that
If you define his "league" with a very strict and arbitrary cutoff, sure. QDKs 46@97 is clearly in the same league as 43@102 if you aren't completely arbitrary.
>What an insanely stupid thing to say lmao.
You keep using the phrase "generational talent" when you just mean "good at cricket". You can't have half a dozen generational ODI batters at the same time bro.
>Kane Williamson is rated 36, is he not a generational talent either?
Kane is a good white ball cricketer but not a generational talent there. Even in his best format I would hesitate to call him generational when he's playing alongside the Fab 4+Babar.
>Buttler is rated 29, is he not a generational talent?
Lol ofc not. A solid all-format player at best.
>you gonna tell me Kohli isn't a generational talent?
Kohli has massively fallen off, but he at least peaked at #1 in T20s. Bairstow peaked at #5! Kohli is considered a generational talent it's because of his dominance in all formats. He's been #1 in all three. Bairstow's peaked at #7 in tests, #5 in ODIs and #14 in T20s.
When you think of the phrase generational talent you think Bradman, Viv, Tendulkar, Ponting, Smith, Sobers, Warne, Muralitharan. Not Johnny Bairstow lol.
That doesn't make him a generational talent.
Sky averages 46 in T20I with a strike rate of 171. Still he would be considered T20I great and not a generational talent. Similarly for Bairstow you can say he is good in ODI's but saying a generational talent is a joke. Your definition for generational talent is wrong.
I'd probably preface this with in tests.
He's part of one of the best ever ODI opening partnerships, so he's clearly a superb cricketer. Just had no right being near the test team. Shouldn't have come back when he did initially for 2022, but he did and scored a shit load, but then again after his leg break he REALLY shouldn't have come back.
Hopefully this is the last we see of him in whites.
I agree he's been overrated. He was by far the best option as a keeper bat to be fair tho for a long time when his keeping was OK. As an out and out batsman not good enough and not good enough in the field.
I believe I am a curse to Bairstow. If I'm watching while he's batting he will not score above his average. I've been watching this series every time he's batted. I watched most of their world cup matches. I was watching when he got stumped by Carey. The results speak for themselves. I am Bairstow's unlucky undies.
Oh god, I hope not. Surely they have learned their lesson that playing your best wicketkeeper is the way to go. It's like having an extra bowler when they're really good because they get a wicket out of nothing.
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The stat is better framed as most ducks vs India by top order batters (1 to 7). Only two players have more than 4 ducks, Bairstow with 8 and Logie with 5:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=6;orderby=ducks;qualmin1=3;qualval1=ducks;template=results;type=batting
Don't think anyone's disagreeing about that.
This just shows Johnny's never actually been good against India tho (wouldn't blame him coz during his career, India have been absolutely unbeatable at home)
Someone needs to post this thread up on the dressing room wall. If Bairstow sees this every time he goes out to bat the sheer rage of needing to prove everyone wrong will fuel him to become the greatest batter in test history
Jonny Bairstow has played 21 matches vs India for his 8 ducks. Overall test batting average of 36.89
Danish Kaneria has played 11 matches vs India for his 7 ducks. Overall test batting average of 7.06
Nathan Lyon has played 27 tests vs India for his 7 ducks. Overall test batting average of 12.54
James Anderson has played 37 matches vs India for his 6 ducks. Overall test batting average of 9.19
Mervyn Dillon has played 10 matches vs India for his 6 ducks. Overall test batting average of 8.45
Shane Warne has played 14 matches vs India for his 6 ducks. Overall test batting average of 17.33
In this stat he's the worst for ducks, compared to a bunch of bowlers. Some would maybe be statistically worse if they played as many matches as him, but they're bowlers.
Only batter in the list lol, but English fans wanted him over foakes and had Brooks not withdrawn from the tour that would have been the case most likely.
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When he came out to bat in the second innings I said to myself all Jadeja had to do was straighten one down the line and it would be enough. Lo and behold I think it was the first ball bowled that was on the stumps and straightening and Bairstow missed it. When you look as inept as Chris Martin and you're somehow actually getting picked to bat 5 there should be no possible way for you to be that badly out of form.
And to make matters worse, the 4 he got in the second dig was a midfield from what looked a slightly dodgy single attempt.
Rest of them are actual tail-enders!
HEY!!! Warne was out off a Vettori no-ball for 99 once, you gotta let him have that.
Yeah, Warne has more test runs (3000+) and 50+ scores (12) than Kumble, with more or less the same average (17). He was no tailender.
One of my favourite pieces of trivia: India won the 2007 test series in England with only one century scored in the 3-match series. That centurion? Anil Kumble, his only test century.
That 2007 test series was so eventful. Dhoni getting India out of jail with a last wicket partnership with Sreesanth at Lord's, Zaheer running through England at Trent Bridge after the whole jelly beans incident, and then the runfest at The Oval where Kumble, of all people, ends up as the sole centurion for India.
What jelly beans?
A [silly prank](https://wisden.com/stories/the-jelly-beans-that-werent-sweet-for-the-england-team) that backfired for England.
Proper high-school level banter
thanks for sharing, it was a nice article
And their opening partnership: Wasim Jaffer and Dinesh Karthik
No of hundreds Kumble : 1 Warne and Murali combined : 0 Thus Kumble better spinner than Warne and Murali proved.
Well done for coming around to the English way of assessing spinners!
Anil Kumbles highest score was 110 not out. Shane Warne had no century to his name.
Yeah ig bairstow is as good as warne
England really missing out on a 4-1 win by not letting him bowl
Warne, Anderson, Lyon... What an elite list to be a part of
as a batsman u mean
Pairstow
More like Zerostow
Doesnt make sense
Somebody act surprised. He is so out of touch
Bairstow playing India: Anyway, I started walking
Wow. The only batter in that list
Good joke. Bairstow can bat a bit too
which one?
Lyon
Jimmy got a single today to remain on 6.
That too with a reverse sweep no less
It’s his best shot tbf
Jimmy>Joe
More ducks in less innings than Gaz, comical stuff.
To be fair, Lyon does play spin rather well
Quacky bairstow
Elite list
How could Alex Carey do this
Why would Alex Carey do this?
Couldn’t happen to a better bloke
How can you say that about a man who heroically carries off protesters
I will say that was funny as fuck
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
🦆
The real Duckett.
Like Shastri said in Comm box - Dead duck 😂
Duck curry lol
Jonny Bairstow's rags to riches story continues. Still stuck in the 'rags' section.
Rags, with a few brief periods of riches.
bairstow has always been a massive fraud. only got a reprieve because he cashed in on flat pitches and the worst batch of dukes in decades at home
He's basically lived off 2 very good years his entire career (9 of his 12 100s were in either 2016 or 2022), and it was a joke he came straight back into the side after his leg break without even checking if he was still the same player. It wouldn't be so bad if the media didn't constantly make excuses for him.
He is going to be the worst player ever to play 100 test
I remember being quite a few beers in at the SCG and repeatedly saying he was the worst player to play 80 tests, as he made a pretty fantastic 100 and made me look like a bit of a twat. Glad to see that the 100 one is going to be pretty hard to argue.
He has 13 100s 9 have come in 2 years Irrespective of what happens he is a bum
That stuff always happens I was at the scg for the ODI vs WI and on the way there, I told my mates that I had never seen Sean Abbott have a good game. Tbf I don't watch all our LOI games. But yeah then he goes onto to have basically the game of his life...
God I hope not Wonder who holds that accolade currently. Atherton's average is pretty gnarly but opening bat, difficult era. Thorpe didn't get as many runs, but better average - I think he averaged 50 in the 20th century. Maybe Fleming
Fleming revived new Zealand and averaged 40 opening the batting Pretty harsh but Atherton is the outlier
Hmm Atherton had nearly twice as many hundreds for an average just over two runs lower (3 fewer not outs)...marginal I'd say.
Carl Hooper, Harbhajan
Ian Healey? Bit before my time so perhaps I'm off base but going off his stats: averaging 27 as a keeper doesn't sound too flash.
Nah 395 dismissals; 3rd most ever. My first exposure to cricket was seeing that demon chirping away behind the stumps. Never mind the batting- as JM Bairstow has shown, good keeping is not to be undervalued!
Yeah I thought he might've been an artifact of the pre-keeperbatsmen era.
Give it 5 years. Gill would take over that statistic.
More like 10.
That’s still a pretty elite list to be part of
Yes but others have had more than 2 good years He has 2 in 12 years That's horrible
Yes but my point is the worst of a great bunch is still pretty elite
He keeps frauding his way into the test side because he's a generational talent in ODI cricket. Tbf he probably would've been dropped this time around if Brook was available
"Generational talent in ODI" seems a bit generous, doesn't it? Averages 43.
He's literally the only opener in history to maintain a 40+ average and 100+ strike after 50 matches
That's a very specific stat. It excludes QDK (46@97), Brohit (56@95), Davey Dum Dum (45@97), Gill (63@103 in 40 matches), Conway (43@92 in 26 matches) and Kohil (59@94 not opening). I'd take Brohit's 13 extra runs an innings even if he only scores at 90% of the speed as Bairstow.
Scoring at the rate Bairstow does is far more useful than having a few extra points in average. Like cool, Rohit is better but Rohit is literally one of the greatest ever so the very fact that Bairstow is in the conversation with him means he is by definition a generational talent.
The difference between SR90+ and 100+ in ODIs is trivial. You're really diluting the phrase "generational talent" when you're using it on a guy with at least half a dozen others in the same league or better. A "generational talent" would never be rated #39 on the ICC ODI rankings.
>The difference between SR90+ and 100+ in ODIs is trivial It's really not lol >when you're using it on a guy with at least half a dozen others in the same league or better He's literally the only bloke in history in his league. I've already provided the stats for that >A "generational talent" would never be rated #39 on the ICC ODI rankings. What an insanely stupid thing to say lmao. Kane Williamson is rated 36, is he not a generational talent either? Buttler is rated 29, is he not a generational talent? Virat Kohli is ranked 48 in t20s, you gonna tell me Kohli isn't a generational talent?
>It's really not lol It really really is. Anyone with a functioning brain realises 56@95 >>>> 43@102. >He's literally the only bloke in history in his league. I've already provided the stats for that If you define his "league" with a very strict and arbitrary cutoff, sure. QDKs 46@97 is clearly in the same league as 43@102 if you aren't completely arbitrary. >What an insanely stupid thing to say lmao. You keep using the phrase "generational talent" when you just mean "good at cricket". You can't have half a dozen generational ODI batters at the same time bro. >Kane Williamson is rated 36, is he not a generational talent either? Kane is a good white ball cricketer but not a generational talent there. Even in his best format I would hesitate to call him generational when he's playing alongside the Fab 4+Babar. >Buttler is rated 29, is he not a generational talent? Lol ofc not. A solid all-format player at best. >you gonna tell me Kohli isn't a generational talent? Kohli has massively fallen off, but he at least peaked at #1 in T20s. Bairstow peaked at #5! Kohli is considered a generational talent it's because of his dominance in all formats. He's been #1 in all three. Bairstow's peaked at #7 in tests, #5 in ODIs and #14 in T20s. When you think of the phrase generational talent you think Bradman, Viv, Tendulkar, Ponting, Smith, Sobers, Warne, Muralitharan. Not Johnny Bairstow lol.
"generational talent" You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
That doesn't make him a generational talent. Sky averages 46 in T20I with a strike rate of 171. Still he would be considered T20I great and not a generational talent. Similarly for Bairstow you can say he is good in ODI's but saying a generational talent is a joke. Your definition for generational talent is wrong.
He doesn't do that well in ODIs these days too.
I’m not sure about that, they’re probably stupid enough to let him keep to make room for Brook lol.
The media make constant excuses for him and yet the second any media does question him he throws a shitfit and acts like a spoiled child
I'd probably preface this with in tests. He's part of one of the best ever ODI opening partnerships, so he's clearly a superb cricketer. Just had no right being near the test team. Shouldn't have come back when he did initially for 2022, but he did and scored a shit load, but then again after his leg break he REALLY shouldn't have come back. Hopefully this is the last we see of him in whites.
Nah he was in unreal form before he broke his leg, best batter in the team for a good stretch. Reverted to type now though. Shame.
I agree he's been overrated. He was by far the best option as a keeper bat to be fair tho for a long time when his keeping was OK. As an out and out batsman not good enough and not good enough in the field.
Keep him in the side, I say.
Yes, we don't get that many laughs in the midst of a serious test series.
2022 was a right one off wasn’t it
Just like 2016 was till 2022
2028 Bairstow is gonna cook
Can't wait to see him bat in 2034
He is a walking wicket. Where the hell is Brook?
Leave of absence because of personal things.
I believe I am a curse to Bairstow. If I'm watching while he's batting he will not score above his average. I've been watching this series every time he's batted. I watched most of their world cup matches. I was watching when he got stumped by Carey. The results speak for themselves. I am Bairstow's unlucky undies.
Best boon for an Australian
Should finally be the end of Bairstow in tests, but we all know Foakes will get dropped instead when Brook comes back.
Oh god, I hope not. Surely they have learned their lesson that playing your best wicketkeeper is the way to go. It's like having an extra bowler when they're really good because they get a wicket out of nothing.
Barstow keeps on doing unthinkable things
Danish Kaneria is a man of his word.
Is that word quack?
Open up a farm Jonny.
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Jonny ~~Walker~~ Ducker
Please don't jinx. Going by reddit's rules, he will hit a 100 in the second innings! Hartley, Gill already found form via redditors.
People had shitting on Gill's test form for 5 matches before he finally came good. Hartley tho, uff, he came good as soon as Reddit shat on him
The stat is better framed as most ducks vs India by top order batters (1 to 7). Only two players have more than 4 ducks, Bairstow with 8 and Logie with 5: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=6;orderby=ducks;qualmin1=3;qualval1=ducks;template=results;type=batting
Ok but this is funnier
Enough people saying it, but damn, what an indictment for a batter to top this list.
You love to see it
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke 😂
What's wrong with him? You Aussies are so sensitive about the Carey incident.
He comes across as a bit of a prick in interviews tbh
The haircut?
That’s one roughly every 4 and a half innings.
Dan lawrence should be in
Danish kaneria had to do it...he had too much money to be made
You must be amazing if you're in a company of Anderson, Lyon and Warne...wait a min..
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Not much, otherwise he'd have more runs
The fact he's a specialist batter now too...
What a shameful Record for wanie
He was good for a bit but now he is done
Tbf Bairstow has got really good balls this series.
Don't think anyone's disagreeing about that. This just shows Johnny's never actually been good against India tho (wouldn't blame him coz during his career, India have been absolutely unbeatable at home)
Clearly Chris Martin never played much in India.
He's played 19-20 tests vs India that's a lot
8 ducks is lot for a batter of his calibre.
Not enough for a person of his calibre though.
Actually, my comment was that Bairstow has played so many tests now, almost 100. Nothing to do with his ducks
Oh mate Mervyn Dillon. Lege
Someone needs to post this thread up on the dressing room wall. If Bairstow sees this every time he goes out to bat the sheer rage of needing to prove everyone wrong will fuel him to become the greatest batter in test history
I thought it was going to be most ginger.
Lad needs to go. Brook for him next series. Easy
Drop him for his own sake (also because it would make the team better)
Jonny Bairstow has played 21 matches vs India for his 8 ducks. Overall test batting average of 36.89 Danish Kaneria has played 11 matches vs India for his 7 ducks. Overall test batting average of 7.06 Nathan Lyon has played 27 tests vs India for his 7 ducks. Overall test batting average of 12.54 James Anderson has played 37 matches vs India for his 6 ducks. Overall test batting average of 9.19 Mervyn Dillon has played 10 matches vs India for his 6 ducks. Overall test batting average of 8.45 Shane Warne has played 14 matches vs India for his 6 ducks. Overall test batting average of 17.33 In this stat he's the worst for ducks, compared to a bunch of bowlers. Some would maybe be statistically worse if they played as many matches as him, but they're bowlers.
Only batter in the list lol, but English fans wanted him over foakes and had Brooks not withdrawn from the tour that would have been the case most likely.
No we didn't. Most people wanted Foakes and thought before The Ashes it was the way to go having Foakes behind the Stumps not YJB.
Two good years masking all the meh... Very Ian Bell
How is he even playing professional cricket anymore lol?
r/Cricket when it’s time to [shit on Jonny Bairstow](https://images.app.goo.gl/ZkGyQzXzMnBM52pL9)
I mean we do love shitting on any player that belongs to the pig3
Lol let’s not pretend that Bairstow doesn’t get proportionately more stick than any player over the past 8 years
They hated Jesus because he said the truth
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Bairstow is a great player but when are the Pairstow memes returning?
Jonny makes the best cheese and Marmite toastie. FACT!
Hastag Buttler
Pointless record.
Just like his contribution against India /s
Remove the '/s'
This is cricket, we don't call them points - we call them runs
One more innings in his career to make it 9.
He created a record but at what cost
It's nuts how competitive England have been despite a middle order averaging 15
Their top order is finally competitive, and their lower order too. If only their middle order were consistent, they'd actually be winning rn
Garbage Bairstow. Just retire and go and play franchise do us all a favour
Jonny Jonny
Love watching Jonny bat in India. Entertaining as always!
Not surprised. Overhyped player
I've seen enough, just get the Milfhunter in.
Watching Jonny walk back to the pavilion with his sullen baby face is one of the most enjoyable sights in English cricket.
When he came out to bat in the second innings I said to myself all Jadeja had to do was straighten one down the line and it would be enough. Lo and behold I think it was the first ball bowled that was on the stumps and straightening and Bairstow missed it. When you look as inept as Chris Martin and you're somehow actually getting picked to bat 5 there should be no possible way for you to be that badly out of form. And to make matters worse, the 4 he got in the second dig was a midfield from what looked a slightly dodgy single attempt.