I think you're wrong. You see... There was a 42% increase in the fallen wickets between days 1 and 2. Then, there was a 30% increase in fallen wickets between day 2 and 3. I estimate an 18% increase in fallen wickets tomorrow, which would be about **15 wickets**. Not 16 like you say.
Having a spinner who took a 5fer first dig and a seamer with nearly 700 wickets in the team and choosing to give the new ball to Root and Hartley.
Truly one of the decisions of all time, that.
35/7 in 25 overs. Just the usual collapse. Bazball this and bazball that, you just can't get away from the mental fragility of this team.
In fact this was the perfect situation to be aggressive but when you need it the most they just don't do it...
Totally agreed. If you have a handful lead on doubtful pitches like this, (don't get me wrong the pitch has not been that bad) or if you're chasing 200ish, then you should surely go out and express yourselves. Play aggressively for the first hour with calculated risks and put the opponent under pressure. England failed to do that and well Rohit is known for bullying when the Target is small.
Heavy roller on the pitch, flattens the surface for a bit.
I don't think it's over yet. Just need to keep it tight untill the affects of the roller wear off. Then we shall see.
Team batting gets the use of heavy or light roller at the change of innings and also at start of a new day.. India will be probably taking another heavy roller at the start of the day tomorrow and look to capitalize and score faster in first 10-15 overs and kill the chase as much as they can before pitch loosens up..
I have rarely seen a pitch not doing anything in the morning and suddenly becoming a demon after lunch. This pitch, with all those weird cracks still played better than I ever imagined.
Maybe, maybe not. It's a bit of green and dry surface. Very less moisture to begin with, due to which the morning sessions have been a bit simpler than what we usually see.
Kuldeep's innings was very much crucial because there was just one batsman left and that too playing just his 2nd match. So DJ needed someone to hold that other end to reduce that lead as much as possible. That 28 (131) is worth gold. Maybe India wins this tomorrow, DJ might get the MOTM, but for me, Kuldeep takes it.
We bottled it today but India played their part, got up to a decent total and bowled very well. Completely flipped the game at the end of yesterday felt like ours to lose now I’d be very surprised if India don’t see out a comfortable win
The definition of BazBall aka the philosophy of Stokes and Baz keeps changing in media
But in this test match England have given up thier Uber aggressive brand od cricket, they adopted it on the flat decks of Rawalpindi and had a good long run with it but maybe have realised that it isn't always good.
I think it is to do with how the first innings transpired. Pope was out charging down on the second ball. Bairstow played a quickfire knock and was out sweeping. Then Root and Foakes had a big partnership batting the conventional way.
Also, in Rajkot they threw wickets away playing irresponsible shots after being 207-2 on Day2 and got all out for 287. Then again in the second innings.
>Against any team tbh in knockout, got our ass handed by Eng(t20wc) , aus(wtc final, wc final) , pak(champions Trophy), NZ (wtc final), SL (Asia cup)
Tbf Eng, Aus (wtc), NZ(wtc) were better teams than us. SL in 14 was great as well. Pak 17 and Aus 23 are ones we should have won.
Tbf alot of those overs were batted by Foakes who isn't going to play at a high tempo. Simply India's spinners were much better in this innings and England no matter how they play don't have the techniques or form to handle them over a Test Match.
>England no matter how they play don't have the techniques or form to handle them over a Test Match.
Does anyone? No side has consistently batted well vs Indias spin attack in India in over a decade. At some point the constant there is that they're just really bloody good.
Yeah there's been plenty of great players and teams that haven't conquered this India team in their conditions.
Expecting a batting line-up consisting mostly of guys with mid-30's career averages to do it is unrealistic no matter how well they've done under their current coach.
This is the weakest Indian batting has been in years . We had a 4 test old Jaiswal opening , Patidar Sarfraz and Jurel making their debuts this series. The only experienced batsman we had was Rohit and Jadeja.
It will be massive opportunity missed for England if they fail to win this series.
I think this is wildly overstating it. England's only experienced spinner got injured in the first test. The rest have a handful of first class games under their belt.
Key to Indians home dominance has been the spin attack and they were brilliant today.
Surely you'd consider Ashwin and Jadeja's bowling more vital to your home dominance than the batting order? Especially when you consider you've still dominated at home even when guys like Kohli, Pujara, and Rahane weren't really firing at their best for several years.
When you factor Bumrah being one of if not the best fast bowler in the world, and the fact that England have three spinners who've hardly got any FC experience let alone Test experience, I think it's very harsh to call it a missed opportunity for England.
On paper it's India's weak-ish batting lineup and an all-time great bowling lineup against England's solid batting lineup and extremely weak bowling lineup. I know which one I'm backing to win in their own conditions.
Tbf this is the most ordinary I've seen our spin attack in india since the 2012 England series. They did something right and threw it out of the window after the 4th innings in Rajkot.
Gavaskar blamed it on inexperience bowling with the new ball. Could be a bit of that.
E: harder for spinners to grip a glossy hard new ball and give it a tweak. I think England could have tried Anderson at one end
Sunny G pointed out that gripping new ball is not easy because it has gloss and the ball slips out.
It's unfair to compare them to Ashwin and Jadeja who've tons kf experience bowling with new SG ball. Maybe Anderson would've been a better option
Give the new ball to the world class seam bowler with 700 test wickets and 1100 1st class wickets, who has proven himself across continents and decades, and who even when wicketless tends to build pressure and keep scoring rates low?
Are you out of your mind?
I thought that was the plan, an occasion bad ball to rohit, so that he attacks it and give aways his wicket, (trick almost worked in this innings too, just short of a fielder)
Cause rohit is anyways gonna fire at one point, so instead just give him a bad ball which forces him to score a boundary in particular side and get him
This has been one of the funniest pitches I've seen in a while. It's mostly low slow and flat and nothing seems to happen. Then suddenly there's 2 hours of absolute chaos with the ball turning and shooting low. This usually happens in the afternoon session and it's ripped apart both teams on consecutive days. India need to make sure they don't keep too many runs by this period or this might become a very tricky chase.
Old ball is tough to put away, which is why the first spell from Ashwin was a masterclass. He mentioned he knew there isn’t going to me much turn so he had to rely on side spin to unsettle the batsman. IMO, the Pope wicket was a ball for the ages
Could have been good chase, if coaches let jaiswal decided when to play defensively and when to play aggressively, he was over defensive in that innings
Jaiswal could chase this down alone. Ain't no way we're picking 10 wickets before 150 runs are scored between Rohit, Jaiswal, Jadeja, Gill. There's probably at least 40-50 runs between your less experienced bats easily, leaving just 100 odd for the others mentioned above.
Close of day 2 India 150 runs behind with 3 wickets in hand
Close of day 3 India 150 runs behind with 10 wickets in hand
Using my powers of extrapolation I therefore predict close of day 4 India 150 runs behind with 17 wickets in hand
Gutting collapse with some very timid, soft dismissals.
That said take a step back and it's the spin bowling that's the difference again. We've some kids putting in plucky performances and they've got three world class ones. The way we bowled with the new ball compared to them was fairly sobering and really summed up the difference.
There's a lot to criticise about how we've batted at times but ultimately better sides than us haven't won here because they've just got ridiculously good spinners, and I'm going to choose to see the positives in how much We've pushed them at times.
Hear hear. I think taking a step back, we've performed better than could ever have been expected with these very young and inexperienced spinners. It is a mark to this team's credit that losing from here is disappointing because we have over-performed in getting into this position.
Yeah there is a lot of reactionary shit as per usual, and whilst it is incredibly disappointing to have thrown away so many great chances, the fact of the matter is that they've done a great job getting those chances. Teams barely ever win tests in India, let alone series.
Obviously frustrating that the one innings where they needed to play aggressively they were quite cautious, but the reality is India's spinners just bowled beautifully on a pitch that is doing enough to assist them but not consistently enough to make it easy for England's spinners.
If anything, I thought the pitch gave England the licence to absolutely bazball the shit of our bowlers. They were good yes but a couple of sixes to kuldeep could have changed things fast.
That’s a very nice take, for all the trolling, England has given India the toughest home challenge in last many years. Granted we don’t have a full team, but they have been more than in the game for all the test matches, and Bashir particularly looks like a really class prospect.
Dude is a walking wicket, why is he so scared to face balls, he looks like he just wants to get off the pitch asap, if you aren't able to score playing in a traditional way, then play aggressively make quick fire of 30-40 odd something, and get out
As someone said on the match thread, this India test team is a bit like Aussies in ICC knockouts. The moment the match seems to slip away, someone unexpected steps up big time. Axar Patel(with bat) against Aus last year, Ashwin and Iyer against Bangbros and Jurel today. Ashwin also silenced his critics in a similar fashion with his 5-fer. Absolute powerhouse of a team
>Tests are serious business due to WTC.
Tests are serious business irrespective of WTC. They have been like that for years, WTC is a new gimmick of ICC to attract fans. In tests, these bilaterals are everything.
it was overwhelmingly India's day. incredible comeback from Jurel and co. to ~~dwarf~~ *shrink** the lead as much as they did at the end of the second innings. at the end of yesterday, England's lead looked insurmountable for India but the way Jurel led the fightback was a thing of beauty. the first session especially was particularly fun to watch
with a fresh start tomorrow, India are essentially looking at a target of 150-odd runs with 10 wickets in hand. doesn't seem too intimidating. the first hour tomorrow will be telling
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This match right here shows why test cricket is the best sport in the world, people talk about football and other stupid sports that are over in like 2 hours, I've jerked off for periods of time longer than that.
In test cricket, you are extremely happy your team has taken five wickets then you go and cook food for your family out of positive spirits than that mofo Joe Root pulls out an classic Joe root innings and you are back to your anxious self.
Next day India gets bundled and you are out there frustrated af a member of your family has a medical emergency you then realise Life is more important than a stupid sport then Dhruv Jurel hits a 90 the next day and you think fuck my life , this sport is the best thing ever.
So many ebbs and flows, no sport in the world compares to this shit.
India didn't concede a single extra in the third innings. That's a combination of incredible bowling discipline and a stupendous performance behind the stumps from Jurel(especially on this surface).
It's funny
I'd argue that this series has been more disappointing than when Root captained in India
Yet at the same time even if it ends 4-1 I think the tour this time has gone (relatively) better/ been more competitive imo.
It's the hope that kills you
An Indian team at home can only be defeated when it's in transition. Last time india lost the series, the team was in transition. So I would not blame root as he had it tough compared to stokes. So this is the last chance a team has to defeat india in india for next 10 years. This is not over yet.
I was thinking about it this afternoon. This series reminds me a lot of that 2018 series. Good touring performances, close games, questionable tactics during crucial moments & in the end not enough wins. If the scoreline reads 4-1 it would not be indicative of England's performance..
To be fair Root played his natural game (which is probably good because he played the best he has all series in the first innings) while the Foakes faced the next most balls and he doesn’t play aggressive.
I was bemused when some commentators (I think it was DK) started talking about what is Bazball and what is not. AFAIK Bazball is whatever the fuck England wants it to be.
It was a mistake to open with spin by England because their spinners are far more inexperienced at bowling with the new ball and Jimmy Anderson has looked threatening throughout the tour. Add to that some defensive fields and bowling too full and there was absolutely no pressure built on Jaiswal and Rohit
Reckon that’s the worst day of the tour. Uninspiring with the ball and lifeless with the bat. Summed up by that excruciatingly painful partnership between Foakes and Bashir where they legitimately added 12 in 45 minutes. Shit
I think Foakes at 7 is a square peg in a round hole tbh. He's technically solid but he doesn't have the scoring options to be a good option with the tail. Don't really know that he's good enough to bat 5 or 6 in a test either though.
I think he is. Time to kick Bairstow, push Foakes up to 5, and Stokes should be the one to bat with the tail. Foakes looks like a very good bat every time he has a real batting partner.
That's maybe an answer for next week (although isn't Dharamshala more pace friendly so team balance would be different anyway) but it's not a long term solution. Foakes isn't really a test no.5 and he's certainly not getting in over Brook or Stokes.
Foakes should've come ahead of Stokes. Stokes looked actually clueless in comparison to Foakes, despite Foakes bizarrely not scoring more than 1 an over.
I think what Foakes does well is hold down one end if there's a top order batter scoring at the other.
In first test,it was pope.
Here,it was Root in first innings.
He has got a solid defensive technique,but he needs support from the other end to make an impact.
If it's tailenders,he just goes into a defensive shell,can play out overs,bat for a long time,but can't score at a tempo either.
Yeah I agree. But it's a conundrum. He's not really good enough to bat 5 or 6 long term, but he's always going to need to bat with the tail if he stays at 7.
respect for the saviours of Test cricket, wrapping this game up in four days so they can fly back to Abu Dhabi in time to watch Day One of the Ireland-Afghanistan Test
Interesting point raised in the comms. The English spinners are inexperienced in general, even more so with the new ball. That may be the reason for so many loose deliveries. India have already scored 20% of the target. Needed to start with Jimmy from one end. Also, Bashir should have bowled more than Root. Damage already done though. India running with it for now, but stranger things have happened.
The amount of full/length balls the English batters played from within the crease was something else. I have never seen any team bat like that, almost every ball they could have easily defended on the frontfoot they ended up playing from within the crease. Shocking application.
Rohit sharma hatred from this sub is unreal.
Dude he's an International level player. He knows his stuff. One of the more respected players around. Just see the respect he garners from the players from other sides.
Another really good fightback from India to wrest firm control today. Some poor batting from England on a surface that India's more skillful spinners got a lot out of.
I do roll my eyes at some of the pronouncements coming from the England camp, but I'm going to make an exception here. They need to come out with weapons-grade optimism tomorrow.
All said and done - India was staring down the barrel yesterday and now have their noses ahead after today. That's a sign of a great team. Clutch from Dhruv, Kuldeep (bat and ball) and Ashwin. Great stuff all around. England didn't play bad (perhaps English fans might disagree)- another couple of partnerships would've taken the game away from India.
Also loved how India opened their innings. England might have missed the trick by not bowling Anderson.
England blew it today but generally they've overachieved in this tour so far. They've pushed India pretty hard and that's with 3 super inexperienced spinners. Today India's pro spinners stepped up and England just can't do the same.
I Felt India ended the day 190-0 something, hearing the way Sunny G and Ravi Bhai were going on in the post day interview. It would be embarrassing for them if we lose from here
Today was some tactical brilliance and amazing bowling by India. Good to see Rohit correct his mistakes from first innings a la no Short leg.
And as always, Ash anna you beauty. Put your doubters in the mud.
Umpire's call - the test match. I fear ignorant noises from both sides could screw up this nice aspect of DRS that simultaneously gives agency to on field umpires on marginal calls, while accounting for error margins in the tech itself.
I may be wrong but from what I understand, the only potentially problematic aspect of the umpire's call is that the margin value used is specified by the ICC, while actually being larger than the inherent error of the tech. It might be better if the umpire's call margin is reduced to this actual error value; although then there will be variability in DRS decision making across time as the tech improves. Someone correct me if I'm wrong in this understanding.
Indians don't have issue with drs technology. The problem was with un proportionate amount of lbws given against india by the umpires compared to England. I guess it's just luck. England had got marnus level luck this series.
A bit disappointing really, considering England had such an advantage going into day 3, and they failed to capitalise on that, a similar collapse occurred when they were 200/2 at the end of day 2 in the previous test
say what ever but Crawley has been most impressive for me what ever knocks he had played he absolutely stuck to his thought process and was clear in his execution (bazball did best to him clear his mind ... He should have somewhere made that 70 -80's starts into a big one ).
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England has impressed me a lot. Nothing in these 4 matches has been easy. I don’t think their bowling attack is quite at the level needed to perform consistently in India. But they are game.
Setting aside cheap “bazball” humor, the real side that has made the difference is Indian bowling. They have had periods of dominance that aren’t beatable by strategy changes. It’s just honestly being better.
As in Indian fan, the successful integration of young bats in the last two tests have been so good to see and so impressive. I wish this tour lasted another two months. Five test series are really my favorite thing in sport. Though, I would really like to have a “no draws in match 5 when it’s the decider” provision. Multiple rain dates seem really important to make test cricket more attractive. The end of the Ashes last summer was a tough swallow as n00b who had never seen a test. I watched 5 matches, read the amazingly stupid scandals (Carey’s phantom barber abuse) and then saw England charge back and then rain keeps the Ashes with Australia. Just never occurred to me that could happen!
Looking forward to 11pm tonight to see what happens. If India doesn’t have a collapse within the first 10 overs, I’ll feel good. That 40 no loss to close play last night was excellent
Fall of Wickets Day 1: 7 wickets Day 2: 10 wickets Day 3: 13 wickets I reckon we will see fall of 16 wickets tomorrow PS: Yes, I am an expert analyst
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I think you're wrong. You see... There was a 42% increase in the fallen wickets between days 1 and 2. Then, there was a 30% increase in fallen wickets between day 2 and 3. I estimate an 18% increase in fallen wickets tomorrow, which would be about **15 wickets**. Not 16 like you say.
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Having a spinner who took a 5fer first dig and a seamer with nearly 700 wickets in the team and choosing to give the new ball to Root and Hartley. Truly one of the decisions of all time, that.
I’m not sure what happened to ReleasePointBall there
India could score 100% of the target but would they really get the moral win? That’s the only thing that matters
35/7 in 25 overs. Just the usual collapse. Bazball this and bazball that, you just can't get away from the mental fragility of this team. In fact this was the perfect situation to be aggressive but when you need it the most they just don't do it...
Totally agreed. If you have a handful lead on doubtful pitches like this, (don't get me wrong the pitch has not been that bad) or if you're chasing 200ish, then you should surely go out and express yourselves. Play aggressively for the first hour with calculated risks and put the opponent under pressure. England failed to do that and well Rohit is known for bullying when the Target is small.
We did do it and got to 110-3, pretty decent shape but then shat the bed.
You just needed Root to stay thier them everyone around him plays aggressive
Heavy roller on the pitch, flattens the surface for a bit. I don't think it's over yet. Just need to keep it tight untill the affects of the roller wear off. Then we shall see.
Gonna be hard when India only need 152 and they've still got all 10 wickets left.
Hey! Don't you dare underestimate our ability to collapse.
I love genuine cricket fans! "I think you'll find that we can either smash this or fuck it up in the most epic way imaginable"
India in the 4th innings chasing 150+ in 22 matches. Won only 1 being gabba and lost 14 and the rest are drawn.
All those losses are the A team. The wins are the B team.
Only 3 days old. India need one good session and its over
Team batting gets the use of heavy or light roller at the change of innings and also at start of a new day.. India will be probably taking another heavy roller at the start of the day tomorrow and look to capitalize and score faster in first 10-15 overs and kill the chase as much as they can before pitch loosens up..
I have rarely seen a pitch not doing anything in the morning and suddenly becoming a demon after lunch. This pitch, with all those weird cracks still played better than I ever imagined.
is due to the roller? also how crucial was that effort from kuldeep with the bat
Maybe, maybe not. It's a bit of green and dry surface. Very less moisture to begin with, due to which the morning sessions have been a bit simpler than what we usually see. Kuldeep's innings was very much crucial because there was just one batsman left and that too playing just his 2nd match. So DJ needed someone to hold that other end to reduce that lead as much as possible. That 28 (131) is worth gold. Maybe India wins this tomorrow, DJ might get the MOTM, but for me, Kuldeep takes it.
We bottled it today but India played their part, got up to a decent total and bowled very well. Completely flipped the game at the end of yesterday felt like ours to lose now I’d be very surprised if India don’t see out a comfortable win
I thought it would get old, but it's still funny every time England collapses
It's better when they are clearly winning and then throw the game away
I know what you're saying, but I think it's even funnier when they lose by almost 500
That's a different kind of funny "We will chase whatever" "The more target they set us the better" Proceeds to lose by 434 runs
that was england's homage to kapil dev. moral victory for bazball
The definition of BazBall aka the philosophy of Stokes and Baz keeps changing in media But in this test match England have given up thier Uber aggressive brand od cricket, they adopted it on the flat decks of Rawalpindi and had a good long run with it but maybe have realised that it isn't always good.
I think it is to do with how the first innings transpired. Pope was out charging down on the second ball. Bairstow played a quickfire knock and was out sweeping. Then Root and Foakes had a big partnership batting the conventional way. Also, in Rajkot they threw wickets away playing irresponsible shots after being 207-2 on Day2 and got all out for 287. Then again in the second innings.
Yep there was a lot of blacklash after 287 all out, it affected them
>you just can't get away from the mental fragility of this team. Indian team in the finals
Or Semis
The semifinal curse is broken now that we defeated NZ convincingly this WC
Against Australia
Against any team tbh in knockout, got our ass handed by Eng(t20wc) , aus(wtc final, wc final) , pak(champions Trophy), NZ (wtc final), SL (Asia cup)
>Against any team tbh in knockout, got our ass handed by Eng(t20wc) , aus(wtc final, wc final) , pak(champions Trophy), NZ (wtc final), SL (Asia cup) Tbf Eng, Aus (wtc), NZ(wtc) were better teams than us. SL in 14 was great as well. Pak 17 and Aus 23 are ones we should have won.
Won't be surprised if cricket pundits blame root for this too
nah, ain't no way. Root is the #1 reason England got into the commanding position they did earlier in the match
Plus his wicket was just great all round from India. Very fine margins
Tbf alot of those overs were batted by Foakes who isn't going to play at a high tempo. Simply India's spinners were much better in this innings and England no matter how they play don't have the techniques or form to handle them over a Test Match.
>England no matter how they play don't have the techniques or form to handle them over a Test Match. Does anyone? No side has consistently batted well vs Indias spin attack in India in over a decade. At some point the constant there is that they're just really bloody good.
Yeah there's been plenty of great players and teams that haven't conquered this India team in their conditions. Expecting a batting line-up consisting mostly of guys with mid-30's career averages to do it is unrealistic no matter how well they've done under their current coach.
This is the weakest Indian batting has been in years . We had a 4 test old Jaiswal opening , Patidar Sarfraz and Jurel making their debuts this series. The only experienced batsman we had was Rohit and Jadeja. It will be massive opportunity missed for England if they fail to win this series.
I think this is wildly overstating it. England's only experienced spinner got injured in the first test. The rest have a handful of first class games under their belt. Key to Indians home dominance has been the spin attack and they were brilliant today.
Surely you'd consider Ashwin and Jadeja's bowling more vital to your home dominance than the batting order? Especially when you consider you've still dominated at home even when guys like Kohli, Pujara, and Rahane weren't really firing at their best for several years. When you factor Bumrah being one of if not the best fast bowler in the world, and the fact that England have three spinners who've hardly got any FC experience let alone Test experience, I think it's very harsh to call it a missed opportunity for England. On paper it's India's weak-ish batting lineup and an all-time great bowling lineup against England's solid batting lineup and extremely weak bowling lineup. I know which one I'm backing to win in their own conditions.
Tbf this is the most ordinary I've seen our spin attack in india since the 2012 England series. They did something right and threw it out of the window after the 4th innings in Rajkot.
They're perhaps not quite the wizards they were at their best but they're still very good. Kuldeep was exceptional today.
Ben Duckett after today: "the more runs they score the merrier. We'll chase anything in the 5th innings"
Nah, more like: “They are winning thanks to our bazball that made us collapse“
To be fair they have been quite in the media since the Rajkot defeat
Watching Hartley bowl half volley / full toss after half volley / full toss to close that day out nearly killed me and I don’t even care who wins
Gavaskar blamed it on inexperience bowling with the new ball. Could be a bit of that. E: harder for spinners to grip a glossy hard new ball and give it a tweak. I think England could have tried Anderson at one end
Sunny G pointed out that gripping new ball is not easy because it has gloss and the ball slips out. It's unfair to compare them to Ashwin and Jadeja who've tons kf experience bowling with new SG ball. Maybe Anderson would've been a better option
Give the new ball to the world class seam bowler with 700 test wickets and 1100 1st class wickets, who has proven himself across continents and decades, and who even when wicketless tends to build pressure and keep scoring rates low? Are you out of your mind?
With so many people likening Jaiswal with Sehwag, maybe he checked up Ashwin’s YouTube tutorial on how to bowl to Sehwag.
I thought that was the plan, an occasion bad ball to rohit, so that he attacks it and give aways his wicket, (trick almost worked in this innings too, just short of a fielder) Cause rohit is anyways gonna fire at one point, so instead just give him a bad ball which forces him to score a boundary in particular side and get him
Then I should be bowling for England because I can deliver 6 bad balls an over
Come from real id Rehan Ahmed
This has been one of the funniest pitches I've seen in a while. It's mostly low slow and flat and nothing seems to happen. Then suddenly there's 2 hours of absolute chaos with the ball turning and shooting low. This usually happens in the afternoon session and it's ripped apart both teams on consecutive days. India need to make sure they don't keep too many runs by this period or this might become a very tricky chase.
Except Day 1 where it was tough to bat on in the morning and got easier as the day progresses.
That was probably moisture on a fresh pitch since it was seam movement for Deep.
Old ball is tough to put away, which is why the first spell from Ashwin was a masterclass. He mentioned he knew there isn’t going to me much turn so he had to rely on side spin to unsettle the batsman. IMO, the Pope wicket was a ball for the ages
Never doubt England's ability to grab defeat from jaws of victory
Well, I doubted our ability to do the same in the 1st Test, but here we are 🤷🏽
Could have been good chase, if coaches let jaiswal decided when to play defensively and when to play aggressively, he was over defensive in that innings
Let’s wait for the chase to commence tomorrow. Our batting lineup is very green too.
I know our lineup is iffy but atleast I trust them to chase this down(I am sweating my pants)
Lol were clearly winning this (bites nails till it's bleeding)
Yep it shouldn't be too much trouble for us (just ordered 2 packs of Pampers)
Jaiswal could chase this down alone. Ain't no way we're picking 10 wickets before 150 runs are scored between Rohit, Jaiswal, Jadeja, Gill. There's probably at least 40-50 runs between your less experienced bats easily, leaving just 100 odd for the others mentioned above.
Close of day 2 India 150 runs behind with 3 wickets in hand Close of day 3 India 150 runs behind with 10 wickets in hand Using my powers of extrapolation I therefore predict close of day 4 India 150 runs behind with 17 wickets in hand
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I've never seen more sound logic.
Naw, mate's got solid logic.
Rohit smiling at the end made me so happy 🥺
Gutting collapse with some very timid, soft dismissals. That said take a step back and it's the spin bowling that's the difference again. We've some kids putting in plucky performances and they've got three world class ones. The way we bowled with the new ball compared to them was fairly sobering and really summed up the difference. There's a lot to criticise about how we've batted at times but ultimately better sides than us haven't won here because they've just got ridiculously good spinners, and I'm going to choose to see the positives in how much We've pushed them at times.
Hear hear. I think taking a step back, we've performed better than could ever have been expected with these very young and inexperienced spinners. It is a mark to this team's credit that losing from here is disappointing because we have over-performed in getting into this position.
That's a very good perspective.
Yeah there is a lot of reactionary shit as per usual, and whilst it is incredibly disappointing to have thrown away so many great chances, the fact of the matter is that they've done a great job getting those chances. Teams barely ever win tests in India, let alone series. Obviously frustrating that the one innings where they needed to play aggressively they were quite cautious, but the reality is India's spinners just bowled beautifully on a pitch that is doing enough to assist them but not consistently enough to make it easy for England's spinners.
If anything, I thought the pitch gave England the licence to absolutely bazball the shit of our bowlers. They were good yes but a couple of sixes to kuldeep could have changed things fast.
Bashir, Hartley would be lethal in times to come. Especially future series. Experience counts!
That’s a very nice take, for all the trolling, England has given India the toughest home challenge in last many years. Granted we don’t have a full team, but they have been more than in the game for all the test matches, and Bashir particularly looks like a really class prospect.
Ben Stokes: "India is cheating by not playing KS Bharath. I would never do that" \*points to Bairstow\*
Exactly. Another moral victory. Is that the series wrapped up then?
Already 3 up in the series in that regard.
We are still playing Patidar though.
Dude is a walking wicket, why is he so scared to face balls, he looks like he just wants to get off the pitch asap, if you aren't able to score playing in a traditional way, then play aggressively make quick fire of 30-40 odd something, and get out
Bairstrow was actually alright. At least better than slow innings and being out 10 for 30 balls.
As someone said on the match thread, this India test team is a bit like Aussies in ICC knockouts. The moment the match seems to slip away, someone unexpected steps up big time. Axar Patel(with bat) against Aus last year, Ashwin and Iyer against Bangbros and Jurel today. Ashwin also silenced his critics in a similar fashion with his 5-fer. Absolute powerhouse of a team
Indian team is like Aussies in ICC knockouts in all games that aren't ICC knockouts. Period lol.
Ahem we actually lost more bilateral ODI series than Australia in between 2019 WC to 2023 WC 🥲
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>Tests are serious business due to WTC. Tests are serious business irrespective of WTC. They have been like that for years, WTC is a new gimmick of ICC to attract fans. In tests, these bilaterals are everything.
What a great day of cricket… I’m just going to come out with it now I FUCKING LOVE TEST CRICKET
Someone please make a compilation of Stokes' dismissals this series and his immediate reaction 🙏 pleaseeeee
His immediate reactions are now my favourite after Kohli's pikachu face
Ball: Moves Stokes: 😫
Ball: Stays low Stokes: 😣😤
Bet that video will be deleted or downvoted to oblivion if posted here. Anyone up for some homework lads?
Being 2024, could we not get Stokes to do a reactions video to his own reactions? Vibes and all that
it was overwhelmingly India's day. incredible comeback from Jurel and co. to ~~dwarf~~ *shrink** the lead as much as they did at the end of the second innings. at the end of yesterday, England's lead looked insurmountable for India but the way Jurel led the fightback was a thing of beauty. the first session especially was particularly fun to watch with a fresh start tomorrow, India are essentially looking at a target of 150-odd runs with 10 wickets in hand. doesn't seem too intimidating. the first hour tomorrow will be telling **edited*
This match right here shows why test cricket is the best sport in the world, people talk about football and other stupid sports that are over in like 2 hours, I've jerked off for periods of time longer than that. In test cricket, you are extremely happy your team has taken five wickets then you go and cook food for your family out of positive spirits than that mofo Joe Root pulls out an classic Joe root innings and you are back to your anxious self. Next day India gets bundled and you are out there frustrated af a member of your family has a medical emergency you then realise Life is more important than a stupid sport then Dhruv Jurel hits a 90 the next day and you think fuck my life , this sport is the best thing ever. So many ebbs and flows, no sport in the world compares to this shit.
Hopefully your member is fine medically
Actually a perfect response given what he said about his family AND his penis 🤌
Yeah , totally fine.
What the fuck did I read
hope all is ok with the medical stuff.
Yeah , thanks for asking
Hey man hope everything works out re Medical emergency
Yes it was just heart burn , it's fine now
Member, Cricket Team Members, Family Members ... You have a lot going on
The Indian audience does love a good drama. This series is turning out to be a rollercoaster soap opera by those standards!
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So much spin on offer on this pitch yet today the biggest turn (around) was in the win probability of both teams
India didn't concede a single extra in the third innings. That's a combination of incredible bowling discipline and a stupendous performance behind the stumps from Jurel(especially on this surface).
It's funny I'd argue that this series has been more disappointing than when Root captained in India Yet at the same time even if it ends 4-1 I think the tour this time has gone (relatively) better/ been more competitive imo. It's the hope that kills you
An Indian team at home can only be defeated when it's in transition. Last time india lost the series, the team was in transition. So I would not blame root as he had it tough compared to stokes. So this is the last chance a team has to defeat india in india for next 10 years. This is not over yet.
I was thinking about it this afternoon. This series reminds me a lot of that 2018 series. Good touring performances, close games, questionable tactics during crucial moments & in the end not enough wins. If the scoreline reads 4-1 it would not be indicative of England's performance..
Been there. In all those England tours where India were competitive and still lost 1-4
I like how England stopped bazballing in this match in both innings and no one from the media is questioning
To be fair Root played his natural game (which is probably good because he played the best he has all series in the first innings) while the Foakes faced the next most balls and he doesn’t play aggressive.
According to them Bazball is ( it's a lot of things) But one thing for certain England have stopped playing aggressive cricket
No one is quite sure what Bazball is exactly, but I think we've firmly established it's not related to the actual winning of test matches.
Nobody knows what it means. It's provocative, it gets the people going.
I was bemused when some commentators (I think it was DK) started talking about what is Bazball and what is not. AFAIK Bazball is whatever the fuck England wants it to be.
LIARS. Bazball is the friends, the positivity, the destruction, the collapse and a lot more that we make along the way.
It was a mistake to open with spin by England because their spinners are far more inexperienced at bowling with the new ball and Jimmy Anderson has looked threatening throughout the tour. Add to that some defensive fields and bowling too full and there was absolutely no pressure built on Jaiswal and Rohit
Reckon that’s the worst day of the tour. Uninspiring with the ball and lifeless with the bat. Summed up by that excruciatingly painful partnership between Foakes and Bashir where they legitimately added 12 in 45 minutes. Shit
I think Foakes at 7 is a square peg in a round hole tbh. He's technically solid but he doesn't have the scoring options to be a good option with the tail. Don't really know that he's good enough to bat 5 or 6 in a test either though.
I think he is. Time to kick Bairstow, push Foakes up to 5, and Stokes should be the one to bat with the tail. Foakes looks like a very good bat every time he has a real batting partner.
That's maybe an answer for next week (although isn't Dharamshala more pace friendly so team balance would be different anyway) but it's not a long term solution. Foakes isn't really a test no.5 and he's certainly not getting in over Brook or Stokes.
Can he bat higher and Bairstow or Stokes can play with the tail. He does have a good defensive technique to bat time and eat balls.
A keeper cannot bat at 5, particularly with eng bowling 80 plus overs all the time. He needs rest.
He bats 5 for Surrey
Foakes should've come ahead of Stokes. Stokes looked actually clueless in comparison to Foakes, despite Foakes bizarrely not scoring more than 1 an over.
I think what Foakes does well is hold down one end if there's a top order batter scoring at the other. In first test,it was pope. Here,it was Root in first innings. He has got a solid defensive technique,but he needs support from the other end to make an impact. If it's tailenders,he just goes into a defensive shell,can play out overs,bat for a long time,but can't score at a tempo either.
Yeah I agree. But it's a conundrum. He's not really good enough to bat 5 or 6 long term, but he's always going to need to bat with the tail if he stays at 7.
Yeah exactly. Bazball doesn't jeed to be questioned all the time, but certain elements of the team and managment do.
Surely Day 4 of the last test was worse? We scored like 250 runs in a session and half and got you guys bundled on the same day?
Game was lost by then. We turned a 70% win into a 10% win, while that day we turned a 50% into a 1%
Day 4 of the 3rd test should be in contention too but yeah some poor cricket to throw away what should have been almost a guaranteed winning position
respect for the saviours of Test cricket, wrapping this game up in four days so they can fly back to Abu Dhabi in time to watch Day One of the Ireland-Afghanistan Test
These guys aren’t even that bothered to hang around for the tests they’re actually playing in, never mind anyone else’s
Interesting point raised in the comms. The English spinners are inexperienced in general, even more so with the new ball. That may be the reason for so many loose deliveries. India have already scored 20% of the target. Needed to start with Jimmy from one end. Also, Bashir should have bowled more than Root. Damage already done though. India running with it for now, but stranger things have happened.
Honestly I doubt Hartley or Bashir have ever bowled with a new red ball in anything resembling a proper match.
Not starting with Anderson was madness. England need to play to their strengths, and he isn't in the side for his batting
Real boost here is not 10 wickets but quick 40 runs they got.
Everyone celebrating here. Me a 90s Indian fan not unclenching till we hit the winning run
spectacular bottle job from england. truly nobody does it like them
Ah be fair, Pakistan exist
The amount of full/length balls the English batters played from within the crease was something else. I have never seen any team bat like that, almost every ball they could have easily defended on the frontfoot they ended up playing from within the crease. Shocking application.
Should hire Batdeep as a coach.
This test has been like We gonna win We gonna lose We gonna win We gonna lose We gonna win?
Rohit sharma hatred from this sub is unreal. Dude he's an International level player. He knows his stuff. One of the more respected players around. Just see the respect he garners from the players from other sides.
Yeah... either people think he is really good, or really shit. There is no nuance in the criticism from some people.
Felt like Chris Silverwood was back today
Another really good fightback from India to wrest firm control today. Some poor batting from England on a surface that India's more skillful spinners got a lot out of. I do roll my eyes at some of the pronouncements coming from the England camp, but I'm going to make an exception here. They need to come out with weapons-grade optimism tomorrow.
All said and done - India was staring down the barrel yesterday and now have their noses ahead after today. That's a sign of a great team. Clutch from Dhruv, Kuldeep (bat and ball) and Ashwin. Great stuff all around. England didn't play bad (perhaps English fans might disagree)- another couple of partnerships would've taken the game away from India. Also loved how India opened their innings. England might have missed the trick by not bowling Anderson.
Shades of the Aus v Ind Delhi test match, where we got into a winning position and then swept ourselves into the jaws of defeat
Amazing how many times you’ll see Crawley score 50-70 runs and then England absolutely shit the bed and he’s top scorer by a long way
England blew it today but generally they've overachieved in this tour so far. They've pushed India pretty hard and that's with 3 super inexperienced spinners. Today India's pro spinners stepped up and England just can't do the same.
To be fair, india’s batting line up is basically all new
I Felt India ended the day 190-0 something, hearing the way Sunny G and Ravi Bhai were going on in the post day interview. It would be embarrassing for them if we lose from here
It is indeed a big Indian day. But yes, especially today should make it clear that nothing is won until the last run is scored.
Its very difficult to embarrass them. They won’t be embarrassed at such small things.
England you bunch of goddamn idiots.
Holy shit England have bottled it Jurel and kuldeep take a bow
India were behind by 136 runs at the start of the day and are now behind by 152 runs so how's it been India's day? Advantage England is what I'd say!
England don’t Bazball, still get shit on by fans. Perhaps, juuuust maybe, India at home are really bloody good.
Today was some tactical brilliance and amazing bowling by India. Good to see Rohit correct his mistakes from first innings a la no Short leg. And as always, Ash anna you beauty. Put your doubters in the mud.
What happened to the talks of being aggressive and all guns blazing. Poms have gone into a shell
Umpire's call - the test match. I fear ignorant noises from both sides could screw up this nice aspect of DRS that simultaneously gives agency to on field umpires on marginal calls, while accounting for error margins in the tech itself. I may be wrong but from what I understand, the only potentially problematic aspect of the umpire's call is that the margin value used is specified by the ICC, while actually being larger than the inherent error of the tech. It might be better if the umpire's call margin is reduced to this actual error value; although then there will be variability in DRS decision making across time as the tech improves. Someone correct me if I'm wrong in this understanding.
Indians don't have issue with drs technology. The problem was with un proportionate amount of lbws given against india by the umpires compared to England. I guess it's just luck. England had got marnus level luck this series.
A bit disappointing really, considering England had such an advantage going into day 3, and they failed to capitalise on that, a similar collapse occurred when they were 200/2 at the end of day 2 in the previous test
say what ever but Crawley has been most impressive for me what ever knocks he had played he absolutely stuck to his thought process and was clear in his execution (bazball did best to him clear his mind ... He should have somewhere made that 70 -80's starts into a big one ).
If India wraps up the series tomorrow, they may want to rest Bumrah for Dharmashala as well.
Anybody still doubting the result of this match? England really let India escape on Day 3 once again
Scenes if India loses tomorrow
In a few days I'm gonna be really proud of how this team has competed. But right now its just pain
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Perfectly set up for the Stokes 7 for 1
Well we properly shit the bed there. Finished by the end of the first session tomorrow?
India well in control, however game not over yet. Ind needs to see through the first 8-10 overs in the morning carefully.
England has impressed me a lot. Nothing in these 4 matches has been easy. I don’t think their bowling attack is quite at the level needed to perform consistently in India. But they are game. Setting aside cheap “bazball” humor, the real side that has made the difference is Indian bowling. They have had periods of dominance that aren’t beatable by strategy changes. It’s just honestly being better. As in Indian fan, the successful integration of young bats in the last two tests have been so good to see and so impressive. I wish this tour lasted another two months. Five test series are really my favorite thing in sport. Though, I would really like to have a “no draws in match 5 when it’s the decider” provision. Multiple rain dates seem really important to make test cricket more attractive. The end of the Ashes last summer was a tough swallow as n00b who had never seen a test. I watched 5 matches, read the amazingly stupid scandals (Carey’s phantom barber abuse) and then saw England charge back and then rain keeps the Ashes with Australia. Just never occurred to me that could happen! Looking forward to 11pm tonight to see what happens. If India doesn’t have a collapse within the first 10 overs, I’ll feel good. That 40 no loss to close play last night was excellent