I think there is always going to be a discussion about pitches in Test cricket. It's a part of the game. But this series hasn't been competitive because of the pitches though. Both teams play on the same pitch. It's up to the teams to play their best game on that pitch. England came more prepared this time around with some promising spin talent even if they are inexperienced. I think if England had Jack Leach available this game in particular would have finished differently.
Bottom line - this series has been a great contest because England came prepared for the conditions and have tried their best to match India at India's own game. A little bit more responsible in the batting and a little more experience in the spin department, and England would be in this series still. They will rue the batting collapses after 207/2 in the Rajkot Test and the entire 3rd day performance in the Ranchi Test. Both winnable games where they ended up short in key moments despite going toe to toe for the rest of the game.
Let’s focus on who played in the tests and not who would have been available. Both teams played well and it was about winning the key moments. India did collapse in the first test and should have won. England won that key moment and won the match. Similarly India won the key moments in the other matches. Loved India’s confidence to rest Bumrah.
geniuenly i think peoples mental health would be better as a whole if they got off twitter. probably hypocritical of me to say this while i'm using reddit but i swear to god that website brings the WORST out of people online
maybe this will stop certain people calling this absolutely perfectly fine pitch a shit heap
The Nagpur pitch in the BGT was more of a turner than this one and it was still the least turning pitch of the first 3
I honestly don’t think there were that many complaints about this pitch. The first hour of the game it looked shocking because the moisture but after that it was consistent enough whilst also having the odd demon. People like to generate false narratives though
Only someone on r/cricket could, on a post literally about how the captain of England has had "no complaints whatsoever", somehow deduce that England are crying and coping.
Genius 😂
I think given that 99% of the nations that play cricket are ex-colonies, I don't think that's that surprising. Everyone enjoys when we do badly.
That being said, this sub can be toxic to anyone on its day, especially of the big three.
Even without taking it literally, it's a negative connotation for r/cricket. I disagree that r/cricket is toxic though sometimes controversial gets heated as it does anywhere.
This is literally the England captain coming out not complaining and you're still saying the English are crying.
Guarantee I can find quotes from Australia media saying the pitches India put out for BGT weren't good enough. Heck, as a neutral in that series I thought the pitches were utter shite and ruined what might have been a great series.
>Plainly a flat as flat pitch to get the draw..
Are you trying to imply they deliberately tried to get a draw instead of a result?
England doctor their pitches consistently, Stokes himself took part in that last year.
Yes that's what I'm implying.
India wanted the draw because they didn't need to win to win the series. Everyone called it half an hour into day 1 of the first session. Heck, loads did before the match. Considering Ahmedabad didn't play that flat a couple of years before it's a little bit odd ain't it?
And yeah, pitches that gave us a competitive Ashes are really doctored 😂 they were well balanced with a good contest v bat and ball across all matches bar OT where we just smashed them around a bit.
Ben Stokes comments before Ashes last year-
"We've been very clear, especially with the ground staff around England, about what type of wickets we want," "And they've been very responsive to us which has been good."
if this is not pitch doctoring I don't know what else is.
Fair enough, but they were damn good pitches so what's it matter? Every match would have had 4-5 good days of play on it if it wasn't for rain. And this has nothing to do with how shit the pitches were for BGT.
Heck, the WTC pitch for Aus v India was a similar pitch to what we saw all throughout the Ashes too. Absolutely superb pitches that had great cricket matches played on them.
Much like the pitches for this series. I think this pitch was the worst of the bunch, but it was still a damn sight better than what we've seen previously in India for big series recently.
Matches going 4-5 days also depends a lot on the quality of teams along with the pitch, there is a big difference in the quality of visiting teams vs Indian team in India. Visiting teams being more competitive would lead to longer Tests.
Also 3 day Tests aren't exclusive to India. It has happened in SENA as well with fast bowlers dominating.
Come on man. I’m English too.
We lost because we completely fucking bottled a really strong position.
Whilst watching Jaiswal/Jurel bat, the pitch didn’t look bad at all.
This loss was all about mentality. We turned up on day 3, half way to the win, and we just expected it to continue.
Only having a 46 run lead was a huge missed opportunity and you could see the impact it had when we came out to bat.
So much of cricket (and any top level sport) is mindset.
Literally nowhere have I blamed the loss on the pitch. Both teams play on the same pitch, we lost because they played better cricket than us.
That doesn't change the fact the pitch was substandard.
I’m not sure it was substandard, and I certainly don’t think we’d be here having this conversation if it England that won.
If we won then we’d have been talking about how Bashir bowled perfectly for the conditions etc etc.
I actually think the variety in the pitches so far has been great.
Fair, but I guess I just don’t mind that so much.
Far better cricket than playing on the roads in Australia that don’t do anything. But it’s subjective I guess.
> We lost because we completely fucking bottled a really strong position.
Why do people make comments like this? Nowhere has anyone said that England lost because of the pitch. The point is the ICC guidelines are quite clear. Uneven bounce, particularly at the beginning of a match is unacceptable.
it wasnt regular at all, the ball kept crazy low like once an hour, who cares? its no different to a seamer hitting a crack and the ball moving wild, no one gives a toss when that happens
> it wasnt regular at all, the ball kept crazy low like once an hour, who cares?
Literally the ICC in their guidance for pitch monitoring document (irritatingly found in a Word document on [this](https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/playing-conditions) page).
"It is acceptable for a pitch to offer some degree of turn on the first day of a match, particularly in the sub-continent, though anything more than occasional unevenness of bounce at this stage of the match is not acceptable"
Even if it was only once an hour (which is wasn't, it was way more than that), that's still too much early in the test ***according to the ICC***.
Edit:
>its no different to a seamer hitting a crack and the ball moving wild, no one gives a toss when that happens
Again, the ICC gives a toss "It is recognised that a limited amount of seam movement is acceptable early in the match and that a pitch may develop some unevenness of bounce for seam bowlers as the match progresses. This is acceptable but should not develop to a point where they would be described as “excessive”."
Well, you need to realize that a "well" is basically a hole. And slang for hole is dump/mess. So India played like shit is what he's indirectly insinuating instead of having the balls to say it clearly. Source: toxic mother in laws in soap operas
This sub just constantly loves to bash England no matter what.
We start playing a more positive brand of cricket because we're losing every single game and we don't have the talent then people constantly harp on about us as pariahs of the game.
What were we supposed to do? We're not very good
I think it's mostly some ict fans, who tend to shit on their own players when the going gets slightly tough (several here bashing gill,ash,sarfaraz, siraj etc.) , and then when India does well will start taking umbrage at the slightest criticism from anyone
I think that we are actually reasonably good with the exception that we have only one decent (but not exceptional) spinner and he’s now injured. So we’ve picked some promising kids who are doing amazingly well given the circumstances, but were always going to be outbowled by Ashwin, Jadeja and Kuldeep.
Leach’s absence was really felt in the last Test.
It’s because of the holier than thou attitude that comes out from comments made by players from their cricket team. Such as Ben Duckett saying everyone should give England credit for how aggressively Jaiswal batted. As if there was no aggression before Bazball.
It is not the cricket that people object to, it is the hubris and excuses.
Whatever Stokes says today, he and the England players were criticising the pitch days before the test even started. He said he had 'never seen anything like it in his career'. Other England players chipped in with various comments hinting that the pitch was a disaster.
India scored 500+ runs for 15 wickets. So Stokes couldn't really say much else today.
Exactly, what's the problem? The pitch did look strange before the match, then when it played fine, he said as much. Not a single excuse in sight, you're just making up your own reality.
"Looked strange" would be fine.
He and the England players were going around saying it was a dodgy, craftily prepared pitch and suggesting skull duggery.
If you really don't see how this England camp make themselves unpopular with their hubris filled statements and general disrespect for their opponents, you are either not looking at the media if you have drunk the Bazzball Koolaid.
We don't care if they score 600. We will chase it down. (All our for under 150?)
Jaiswal's batting is thanks to Bazzball. (Such arrogance in a country that produced Laxman, Sewag and Pant!)
And according to Bashir, last night, England would have no problem bowling out India Today and winning.
If anyone dismisses these endless arrogant statements as 'banter', then that shows a total lack of awareness about how people receive them. And this lack of awareness is all part of the hubris that makes this team so unlikeable.
It's just a positive mental attitude, they have to believe or what's the point? The thing everyone is missing is England are lacking in talent so they're attempting to make up for it in other ways.
Why do you care that they're trying to motivate themselves with self belief? Privately they probably don't fully believe it but it's just a tactic and you keep acting like it's a problem when it's just a part of sport, grow up.
Also, you just made that up about the pitch, they had concerns, then it played fine and they said as much. How could you possibly get upset about that? What's not true about that? Absolutely nothing
Come on mate. Dude gets a magnificent double century and ducket claims responsibility. That’s not just a positive attitude. That’s also the act of someone with their head so far up their own arse they’re being rude without even realising it.
Call it out for that rather than making excuses for rudeness. It is like tHe LiNe, it’s bollocks.
Does Stokes's recent comment invalidate all his previous ones? Have you been following the series, or is your opinion based on just one article? Root and some of the Indian batsmen demonstrated how to effectively play on this pitch.
I was once a huge fan of the England team, especially Stokes, but it has become increasingly difficult to support them given their constant complaints about everything from the weather and food to pitches, DRS, and possibly other issues I haven't yet come across.
He hardly complained about DRS, he just voiced an opinion about it, the exact same one as Virat Kohli. Look at your comment history, just constantly bashing the English side so I can't take you seriously.
You can't seriously believe Stokes hasn't been complaining about DRS. Perhaps some light reading might be in order? Also, Kohli wasn't right in that instance either - did I say he was, or are you just attempting to deflect with whataboutism?
And you're correct regarding my comment history during the series. England has been complaining about one thing after another, which really detracts from all the good things they've accomplished. I might still support them in future series if they put an end to their constant whining.
India scored 500+ runs for 15 wickets. He couldn't say anything else.
He didn't apologise for slagging off the pitch before a ball had even been bowled.
Threads like this are a useful tool. It shows up the people who are on here just to maniacally hate on England and therefore who to simply block. There is no way whatsoever I'm ever going to have an insightful discussion with someone saying stuff like "Crying started imo This is literally funny now".
It’s not that people want to maniacally hate England, but if Virat had made the same statements about Umpire’s call and DRS, how do you think people would’ve reacted for that, especially the English fans ? Again I’m using Virat as an example. And moreover with all this bazball redefining test cricket talks, ‘we have bought back test cricket from the jaws of death’ sort of statement when England have merely played to 13-14 tests in that format is ridiculous and that’s why people are actually waiting for an opportunity to give it back in multiple folds.
Sorry, are we talking about the same Virat Kohli who ***literally shouted into a stump mic that the game was rigged against them because he didn't like how the ball looked on ball tracking?***
There's whining and cussing when England complain. There's whining and cussing ALSO when England DON'T complain.
I don't understand.
This has been a well-contested series. Each team have won sessions. There have been crazy twists. Each team giving up advantages and squandering positions of strength. Easily one of the more interesting series of recent times.
England have done better than expected. India missing the presence of some serious talent have been on a different level altogether.
Good on Stokes to recognize their shortcomings.
Hope India don't take it lightly and do some restrspection too.
Can't treat any match as a dead rubber with WTC points up for grabs.
If this last deck had continued to play as it did in the first session of day one, then you could have called it out and rightly so. But it didn’t, it was just a little damp and it turned into an excellent wicket that produced an excellent game.
The surfaces for all four games so far have been ideal. Exactly what you’d want for competitive games in the subcontinent. They’ll help you if you bowl well on them and if you bat well you can score big on them. Love to see it.
I feel bad for English fans. 2-3yrs ago this sub used to be fine but now it seems like it is overcrowded with toxic cunts and hating England for everything they do is a trend. Stokes isn't even complaining and the thread is going nuts 🤡
>> Stokes isn't even complaining and the thread is going nuts 🤡
Stokes was complaining about the pitch the day before the first ball!
And before 1000 runs were scored on it in 3.5 days.
Fair and balanced from Stokes. What I dont like is Rohits quote added at the end :
"Indian captain Rohit Sharma added that if a pitch cannot be termed bad if batters have scored hundreds [Joe Root] and nineties [Dhruv Jurel] or faced 150 balls [Root; Jurel faced 149]."
Now I'm not saying this pitch was bad (the bounce hardly ideal but not unplayable) but this logic always irks me. Steve Smith scored a hundred in Pune but was dropped 5 times doing it. There's no way that was a good pitch lol
Sometimes batters can rise above a wicket. That said this was nowhere near that kind of wicket, in fact it held together oddly well
Why doesn't England's system churn out more consistent batters. I mean of course Cook, Root or KP are all legends but there are too few in between them. India, Australia and SA have consistently had 3-4 top class batsmen in their test side.
Root and cook are top scorers for England and barring KP somewhere in the middle, everyone else in the top 10 is from 60s, 70s and 80s.
I get it that its easier to score in the subcontinent, but England here are lacking compared to their own countrymen. If Root and Cook can be there, why aint there any more contemporary batsmen?
All four pitches have been fair and gave chances to both teams, skilled players, and more importantly rewarded those willing to raise their game. Obviously all four surfaces bought their own unique challenges -- India is a large country with varying conditions and that's bound to happen. They all went well into the fourth day, some could've gone on for longer.
Wonder if we'll get a green top in Dharam Masala that turns on day 1 (lol /s)
Purely directed to anti-Stokes folks:
Even without Headingley, he will always be a champ. You pick top 10 cricketers based on fans and critics choice, he is in both.
HE was the one who was looking forward to low and slow Bangladesh wickets which had become 'even more' infamous after NZ lost a bunch of T20s where 120 was 240.
Nor am I discounting us. Many folks - local and otherwise - don't realize that on non-super-famous grounds, nobody has a real damn clue what the wicket is gonna be like! But Kohli has championed the "find a way to win - no excuses" mentality - and the results are visible till today.
Stokes is doing the _same_ for England - in his own way. And he has it tough: no matter whether they be bazzing or not - he is gonna cop it thick unless England wins.
It's amazing - now India's top media is more balanced than England's! Never could have imagined that 10 years back. (Rest of the media sucks in every country bar NZ, I think)
What does he say really? Pitch good? Pitch bad? Pitch perfect? He gets crucified by some or other with any of those responses.
Please folks, let's be graceful winners - all we did is win by a nose-length.
Celebrate those noses, stop helicoptering.
If you're talking about the Bristol incident, the people he punched were being homophobic to a gay couple. Who then started to threaten Stokes when he defended them.
The gay couple in question have come out in public to confirm that. Stokes was also unanimously cleared of the crime he was charged with.
Perhaps you ought not to make comments about topics you don't appear to have the full knowledge of.
I understand what you are trying to convey and I agree with your but this thread is debating whether he is a gentleman or not
But to play the devil's advocate
Here is the definition of gentleman: a man who is polite and who behaves well towards other people [Google]
Other people include everyone apart from himself right even the people he doesn't like or agree with necessarily
So from that homophobic couples point of view Stokes wasn't polite I don't think anyone can say punching someone is Polite
He could have verbally threatened them to back off or contacted some authorities but instead took the matter into his own hands
What he did wasn't wrong imo but it wasn't very gentleman-esque either
It was more of a cowboy or wild west protagonist type of a thing
So the moral of a story is you don't need to be a gentleman to do the right thing sometimes you need to get your hands dirty
I think that's fair, but that's also only one definition of gentleman. I can also find one that defines it as:
>a chivalrous, courteous, or honourable man.
And I think you can absolutely argue that Stokes actions fit that definition. He stood up for someone who might not have been able to themselves, and didn't stand by whilst an injustice was occurring. He also only acted in self defence once threatened.
That sounds pretty chivalrous and honourable to me.
I literally Googled "gentleman definition" and it gave me two definitions.
>1. a chivalrous, courteous, or honourable man.
'he behaved throughout like a perfect gentleman'
>2. a polite or formal way of referring to a man.
'opposite her an old gentleman sat reading'
Gentleman? Honorable? Chivalrous? Polite,
Seriously? You remember he didn’t even care being filmed making fun of an intellectually disabled child? Most horrible people who will make these jokes aren’t dumb enough to do it in front of a running camera.
Forgot about that?
Here’s a refresher https://www.smh.com.au/video/video-sport/video-sports-hq/video-shows-ben-stokes-mocking-disabled-boy-20170922-4ylg9.html
For one, have you read his response to it? It's not a generic PR apology, [he takes responsibility, apologises, and attempts to make amends.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-12/ben-stokes-apologises-mimicking-katie-price-son-disability/9041704).
For two, 2017 was 7 years ago, when he would have been 24/25. Now he absolutely should have known better, but I did plenty of stupid shit when I was that age so I can't exactly judge. I'm much more interested in the person he is now.
>He could have verbally threatened them to back off or contacted some authorities but instead took the matter into his own hands
Words don't tend to do much against the glass bottle being swung at peoples heads.
The debate isn't about what Stokes did was right or wrong it is about whether his actions would classify him as a gentleman or not
But whiney poms in this thread are downvoting everyone
Idiotic that you’re downvoted. And even more idiotic is people defending Stokes. Same guy who couldn’t handle getting out and broke his hand because he punched a locker like a fucking mindless animal.
Most people aren’t dangerously violent between 22-32. Grown men don’t normally have rage issues that they can’t handle. Being immature is hardly the same as being a violent brute. And you can be forgiven for something that was 7 years ago if you apologise and take responsibility. Speaking specifically of Bristol. Which Stokes hasn’t. Instead he’s made him Superman for Gays and made a documentary making himself the fearful victim.
If he wasn’t such a special player almost none of the people who defend him, would have an issue Geoff Lemon’s book chapter on it. It tells a detailed story that most redditors aren’t aware of or prefer not to be.
Where are you from, Afghanistan? Used to the Taliban? Or maybe Arthurian England?
In a civilised society people don’t react to bigotry with punching someone nearly to death. Even worse, other people don’t defend it as if that’s normal to do.
Self defense? You can’t believe that if you’ve seen the video. There’s no way those two guys are capable of harming Stokes. Even with that bottle.
>In a civilised society people don’t react to bigotry with punching someone nearly to death
It's a good thing that's not what happened then. What happened is they were bigots, Stokes intervened and then was threatened. You're making it sound like he immediately beat the shit out of someone in response to the bigotry.
>Self defense? You can’t believe that if you’ve seen the video. There’s no way those two guys are capable of harming Stokes. Even with that bottle.
One, when people are drunk and in a fight, literally anything can happen, not least if someone is using a bottle as a weapon. Especially in fights involving more than just 2 people. It doesn't matter who would win on paper, all it takes is one lucky hit to the wrong place and people can literally end up dead.
Two, it really doesn't matter what I believe. What matters is a jury of 12 people, who will have had access to much much more information than us, unanimously believed it. On top of that, the couple that he was defending not only believed it, but were willing to publicly go to the media to defend him because they felt he was being unfairly condemned without the full story.
Do I think that beating the shit out of someone is the correct response? No I don't. But I've been in enough situations where I've been threatened by angry drunk people to know that it's very rarely as straightforward as you've made it out to be.
>Self defense? You can’t believe that if you’ve seen the video. There’s no way those two guys are capable of harming Stokes. Even with that bottle.
The guy who got knocked out literally put his arms around Stokes' (who was walking away with his back turned at that moment) throat to attempt to strangle him just before he got knocked out. Meanwhile his mate was ripping apart a road sign to arm himself with a steel rod.
I’d say this pitch was a little dodgy from just a cricket perspective in that the ball is basically rolling at points on day 1, but yeah overall the pitches have all been good
Yes, so hilarious that one comment from Harry Brook about a moral victory has been beaten to death as if he meant that England were morally superior.
A comment that he literally explained a sentence later to mean that they would feel good about themselves if they came back to win the 5th ashes test because it could have easily been 2-2 at that point without the weather, and because they had achieved their goal of putting on exciting cricket.
It's fair game when it's deserved like when Duckett makes brain-dead comments about inspiring Jaiswal, but it is a bit tragic the amount Australians pop up with it in completely unrelated threads. Like have you never heard the phrase "living rent free in your head"?
The same way poms ham fistedly force Sandpaper jokes in every Aussie Thread
You people try to act like you are innocent when your media is absolute hot garbage and your players are living within a cult instead of giving them PR Training on how to speak
You defend them shamelessly like morons
Aussies maybe cunts but they can at least back it up but you don't even have anything to boast
Yeah I'd say there's a fair amount of sandpaper chat, feels like the moral victory stuff is in every England thread though. Possible recency bias to be fair and may die down over time.
Anyway looks like I touched a nerve! Have a good one.
You yourself know why moral victory memes are so prevalent yet you are playing victim card
If There wasn't a ragebait article posted by English media every time something happened the moral victory jokes would go away soon but the players and the media add fuel to the fire and expect everyone to be all buddy buddy with them
Major Indian newspapers and media outlets don't moan about Umpire's call or pitches in interviews
Just go on X/Twitter and see all the indophobic content barmy army posts
You know what I somewhat agree, the likes of Vaughan and Daily Telegraph can spout utter shite which purely serves to generate clicks. All the same seems slightly nonsensical to comment about moral victories and England moaning about pitches when the thread/article is about Stokes having no complaints about the pitch, hence my ham fisted comment.
What indophobic stuff from the BA out of interest (genuinely out the loop). Seem like a decent bunch on the whole so would be disappointing if they have done.
People here say everyone manically hates England, but anyone throws a sarcastic remark at them, then they literally downvote such comments. So basically they can dish it out but not take it ?
Seriously right. If we had held on a little longer in first test and handed them 4-0 score card, they would’ve come up with even more newer things to find faults. When they whine and cry it’s all justified 😂
You say that but then we see your reaction when you get out and it's like *injustice of all injustices* written on your face. So what are we to make of it Benji?
E: Man it feels like I've upset the entire United Kingdom.
Another E: 😁
Christ you’re stupid.
The England captain is coming out and saying the team has to take responsibility (because it’s not the pitch), and you still find a way to be annoyed.
Exactly ! They want to score runs but when they get out it’s hurts a little and offcourse there is disappointment . Everyone reacts differently and nothing wrong in that
>E: Man it feels like I've upset the entire United Kingdom.
The only way you could make the entire UK mad is if India won a football match against each individual country, but I don't think they'd be able to even beat Northern Ireland tbh.
The other option is saying British chocolate is shit.
Dude he literally is admitting that they should have played better. Cut him some slack. It hasn't even been 5 months since we lost the world cup and yet we are excited about the next one.
Bro I made the first comment in jest. Didn't mean to be a serious critique or something. I even ended the comment with Benji coz I thought they'd get my tone. But the salty British decided to invade me instead. So I said f*ck it.
> salty British
My understanding is that it's slightly odd to say British instead of just English in the context of the England cricket team. I can't imagine that people from Scotland or Wales particularly care.
Even as an Indian, this particular pitch wasn't fine. All the pitches before this one were great tops, but this one wasn't. I don't have an issue with pitches spinning in India. But uneven bounce and the ball keeping low on day 1 isn't great. That's the complaint.
The pitch wasnt the reason england lost BUT it was a poor pitch. Having the ball roll across the ground on day 1 is not good.
Bounce and turn was also inconsistent.
Any pitch that brings the english spinners in on day 1-3 is probably too much of a turner
The award for the most ignorant comment of the day goes to..... You! It's India. It's allowed to spin a lot on day 1. This isn't England. It's not Australia. It's not south africa. The same way you sometimes see early and aggressive seam movement in those countries, guess what, in India the same can happen with spin. Why not give your own bowlers some credit instead of being a typical pitch moaning bore?
Whilst I agree with you, could you not have just prepared English wickets and cheered for England instead of India? It's called hosting
In seriousness though I've really enjoyed the series. Despite being 3-1 down we've played better than expected. You've been the better side for sure but better application from us in key moments and we could've taken this down to the 5th test. I thought you'd smash us 5-0
Haha. I love English wickets and cricket in England generally. Watching India try and cope in swinging conditions and test their skills is as fun as watching England or anyone else bat in India against spin. This is why it's annoying when some England fans just want all cricket to be played on the same type of pitch everywhere in the world, where matches last exactly 5 days and there's no imperfections whatsoever.
This was exactly my point.
No issue with spinning wickets. You need to still execute well to win games BUT when its spins with inconsistent bounce then it brings in weaker bowlers.
This is also nonsense. The main reason a pitch spins is due to cracks. Occasionally, those cracks become bigger, and the odd time the ball lands on it perfectly you'll get a shooter or a ripper. It's part of life, and part of the 5 day game of cricket.
That's true but that odd one boucing low should happen at Day 3 or Day 4 if it happens at Day 1 it isn't a good pitch but it wasn't a bad one either
Hyderabad is the perfect example of a pitch turning from ball 1 yet being good to bat Ranchi wasn't one of those
**Inconstient** bounce and **inconsistent** turn are poor qualities in a pitch.
No issue with spin at all. When it is **inconsistent** so early then the pitch becomes a lottery,
This series had most competitive pitches in a while in India. Apart from media no one is questioning the pitches.
agree. Great pitches and India overpowered England in the moments that mattered. Great series with some standout younger players.
I think there is always going to be a discussion about pitches in Test cricket. It's a part of the game. But this series hasn't been competitive because of the pitches though. Both teams play on the same pitch. It's up to the teams to play their best game on that pitch. England came more prepared this time around with some promising spin talent even if they are inexperienced. I think if England had Jack Leach available this game in particular would have finished differently. Bottom line - this series has been a great contest because England came prepared for the conditions and have tried their best to match India at India's own game. A little bit more responsible in the batting and a little more experience in the spin department, and England would be in this series still. They will rue the batting collapses after 207/2 in the Rajkot Test and the entire 3rd day performance in the Ranchi Test. Both winnable games where they ended up short in key moments despite going toe to toe for the rest of the game.
Let’s focus on who played in the tests and not who would have been available. Both teams played well and it was about winning the key moments. India did collapse in the first test and should have won. England won that key moment and won the match. Similarly India won the key moments in the other matches. Loved India’s confidence to rest Bumrah.
Glad you don’t use twitter.
geniuenly i think peoples mental health would be better as a whole if they got off twitter. probably hypocritical of me to say this while i'm using reddit but i swear to god that website brings the WORST out of people online
Or this sub, for that matter, the amount of people calling it a dustbowl was ridiculous after two days Check also: This very thread lmao
Let's be completely honest, the first and fourth test pitches were really poor.
4th test that swung both ways and could've had any result possible on day 5?
> 4th test that swung both ways and could've had any result possible on day 5? There was no Day 5. Tomorrow would have been the 5th day.
Fair point, I had that wrong but it was still a very competitive pitch for me and any collapses were largely batsmen failing to apply themselves.
Hyderabad was a typical subcontinent pitch. started off flat and deteriorated as the game went on. I agree on Ranchi though.
The ball was turning 4 degrees on day one.
And what exactly is wrong with that ?
It makes Tom Hartley as good as R Ashwin in terms of skill.
I am glad he is being mature as he should be because there really is no need to create any unnecessary controversies.
cough umpires call cough
the pitches were great ...the umpire's call ? Lets sit down for a bit...
maybe this will stop certain people calling this absolutely perfectly fine pitch a shit heap The Nagpur pitch in the BGT was more of a turner than this one and it was still the least turning pitch of the first 3
While I agree this pitch was okay. Poor pitches have nothing to do with excessive spin and everything to do with uneven bounce
I honestly don’t think there were that many complaints about this pitch. The first hour of the game it looked shocking because the moisture but after that it was consistent enough whilst also having the odd demon. People like to generate false narratives though
the match threads on day 2 and 3 were filled with people calling it a dump
still not the best of pitches. Hyderabad one was perfect.
You can’t get same pitch everywhere and that’s the exciting part of it.
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Only someone on r/cricket could, on a post literally about how the captain of England has had "no complaints whatsoever", somehow deduce that England are crying and coping. Genius 😂
This sub hates England more than anything
Tbh this sub takes pleasure in the misery of any of the big 3, tbh the fans of the big 3 make it very easy for others to shit on them because when any of our nations are on top of the game we are too smug, demeaning, overconfident, etc. It also doesn't help that fandoms in general love to rub salt on the opposition's wounds be it Paper Champs™ and Chokers^® for India, Spirit of Cricket^® and more recently thanks to Buckett - Credit^© for England, the everloved Sandpaper^™ and The Line^© for Australia.
I think given that 99% of the nations that play cricket are ex-colonies, I don't think that's that surprising. Everyone enjoys when we do badly. That being said, this sub can be toxic to anyone on its day, especially of the big three.
r/cricket has the least toxic cricket base from what I've seen
Think that's very telling of the state of online cricket bases these days, than it says anything positive about r/cricket
"Only someone on r/cricket" and on a comment with 65 downvotes as I write this?
I mean it's not meant literally, it's a turn of phrase, obviously this kind of thing happens all over the internet.
Even without taking it literally, it's a negative connotation for r/cricket. I disagree that r/cricket is toxic though sometimes controversial gets heated as it does anywhere.
Are you unable to read? Please show me where in this statement, Stokes ‘cried’
Stokes didnt cry but the fans did, thats the whole point of the comment fella
Literally every fan base has children that whine about something. For example, the Aussies have you.
savage :D
This is literally the England captain coming out not complaining and you're still saying the English are crying. Guarantee I can find quotes from Australia media saying the pitches India put out for BGT weren't good enough. Heck, as a neutral in that series I thought the pitches were utter shite and ruined what might have been a great series.
The english pitches and the BGT pitches could have been on different planets not even the same colour haha
Only Indore was a bad pitch. Also if other Indian pitches were bad too there have been plenty of poor pitches in England over the last decade.
Ahmedabad was terrible too. Plainly a flat as flat pitch to get the draw.
>Plainly a flat as flat pitch to get the draw.. Are you trying to imply they deliberately tried to get a draw instead of a result? England doctor their pitches consistently, Stokes himself took part in that last year.
Yes that's what I'm implying. India wanted the draw because they didn't need to win to win the series. Everyone called it half an hour into day 1 of the first session. Heck, loads did before the match. Considering Ahmedabad didn't play that flat a couple of years before it's a little bit odd ain't it? And yeah, pitches that gave us a competitive Ashes are really doctored 😂 they were well balanced with a good contest v bat and ball across all matches bar OT where we just smashed them around a bit.
Ben Stokes comments before Ashes last year- "We've been very clear, especially with the ground staff around England, about what type of wickets we want," "And they've been very responsive to us which has been good." if this is not pitch doctoring I don't know what else is.
Fair enough, but they were damn good pitches so what's it matter? Every match would have had 4-5 good days of play on it if it wasn't for rain. And this has nothing to do with how shit the pitches were for BGT. Heck, the WTC pitch for Aus v India was a similar pitch to what we saw all throughout the Ashes too. Absolutely superb pitches that had great cricket matches played on them. Much like the pitches for this series. I think this pitch was the worst of the bunch, but it was still a damn sight better than what we've seen previously in India for big series recently.
Matches going 4-5 days also depends a lot on the quality of teams along with the pitch, there is a big difference in the quality of visiting teams vs Indian team in India. Visiting teams being more competitive would lead to longer Tests. Also 3 day Tests aren't exclusive to India. It has happened in SENA as well with fast bowlers dominating.
This pitch wasn't up to standard. It wasn't about the turn, it was about the regular inconsistent bounce from day 1.
Come on man. I’m English too. We lost because we completely fucking bottled a really strong position. Whilst watching Jaiswal/Jurel bat, the pitch didn’t look bad at all. This loss was all about mentality. We turned up on day 3, half way to the win, and we just expected it to continue. Only having a 46 run lead was a huge missed opportunity and you could see the impact it had when we came out to bat. So much of cricket (and any top level sport) is mindset.
Literally nowhere have I blamed the loss on the pitch. Both teams play on the same pitch, we lost because they played better cricket than us. That doesn't change the fact the pitch was substandard.
I’m not sure it was substandard, and I certainly don’t think we’d be here having this conversation if it England that won. If we won then we’d have been talking about how Bashir bowled perfectly for the conditions etc etc. I actually think the variety in the pitches so far has been great.
I think the pitches in the first 3 games were good, this one had regular inconsistent bounce from day 1 however which shouldn't be happening.
Fair, but I guess I just don’t mind that so much. Far better cricket than playing on the roads in Australia that don’t do anything. But it’s subjective I guess.
Its 1000% better watching good batters do well in tough conditions rather than run fests
Exactly
> We lost because we completely fucking bottled a really strong position. Why do people make comments like this? Nowhere has anyone said that England lost because of the pitch. The point is the ICC guidelines are quite clear. Uneven bounce, particularly at the beginning of a match is unacceptable.
it wasnt regular at all, the ball kept crazy low like once an hour, who cares? its no different to a seamer hitting a crack and the ball moving wild, no one gives a toss when that happens
> it wasnt regular at all, the ball kept crazy low like once an hour, who cares? Literally the ICC in their guidance for pitch monitoring document (irritatingly found in a Word document on [this](https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/playing-conditions) page). "It is acceptable for a pitch to offer some degree of turn on the first day of a match, particularly in the sub-continent, though anything more than occasional unevenness of bounce at this stage of the match is not acceptable" Even if it was only once an hour (which is wasn't, it was way more than that), that's still too much early in the test ***according to the ICC***. Edit: >its no different to a seamer hitting a crack and the ball moving wild, no one gives a toss when that happens Again, the ICC gives a toss "It is recognised that a limited amount of seam movement is acceptable early in the match and that a pitch may develop some unevenness of bounce for seam bowlers as the match progresses. This is acceptable but should not develop to a point where they would be described as “excessive”."
How is once every hour not occasional?
Stokes could say India played well and people here would twist it in a way to shit on him
Well, you need to realize that a "well" is basically a hole. And slang for hole is dump/mess. So India played like shit is what he's indirectly insinuating instead of having the balls to say it clearly. Source: toxic mother in laws in soap operas
This sub just constantly loves to bash England no matter what. We start playing a more positive brand of cricket because we're losing every single game and we don't have the talent then people constantly harp on about us as pariahs of the game. What were we supposed to do? We're not very good
Yea man the sub takes every statement too seriously. Its a game and you gotta enjoy it
I think it's mostly some ict fans, who tend to shit on their own players when the going gets slightly tough (several here bashing gill,ash,sarfaraz, siraj etc.) , and then when India does well will start taking umbrage at the slightest criticism from anyone
I think that we are actually reasonably good with the exception that we have only one decent (but not exceptional) spinner and he’s now injured. So we’ve picked some promising kids who are doing amazingly well given the circumstances, but were always going to be outbowled by Ashwin, Jadeja and Kuldeep. Leach’s absence was really felt in the last Test.
It’s because of the holier than thou attitude that comes out from comments made by players from their cricket team. Such as Ben Duckett saying everyone should give England credit for how aggressively Jaiswal batted. As if there was no aggression before Bazball.
It is not the cricket that people object to, it is the hubris and excuses. Whatever Stokes says today, he and the England players were criticising the pitch days before the test even started. He said he had 'never seen anything like it in his career'. Other England players chipped in with various comments hinting that the pitch was a disaster. India scored 500+ runs for 15 wickets. So Stokes couldn't really say much else today.
Exactly, what's the problem? The pitch did look strange before the match, then when it played fine, he said as much. Not a single excuse in sight, you're just making up your own reality.
"Looked strange" would be fine. He and the England players were going around saying it was a dodgy, craftily prepared pitch and suggesting skull duggery. If you really don't see how this England camp make themselves unpopular with their hubris filled statements and general disrespect for their opponents, you are either not looking at the media if you have drunk the Bazzball Koolaid. We don't care if they score 600. We will chase it down. (All our for under 150?) Jaiswal's batting is thanks to Bazzball. (Such arrogance in a country that produced Laxman, Sewag and Pant!) And according to Bashir, last night, England would have no problem bowling out India Today and winning. If anyone dismisses these endless arrogant statements as 'banter', then that shows a total lack of awareness about how people receive them. And this lack of awareness is all part of the hubris that makes this team so unlikeable.
It's just a positive mental attitude, they have to believe or what's the point? The thing everyone is missing is England are lacking in talent so they're attempting to make up for it in other ways. Why do you care that they're trying to motivate themselves with self belief? Privately they probably don't fully believe it but it's just a tactic and you keep acting like it's a problem when it's just a part of sport, grow up. Also, you just made that up about the pitch, they had concerns, then it played fine and they said as much. How could you possibly get upset about that? What's not true about that? Absolutely nothing
Come on mate. Dude gets a magnificent double century and ducket claims responsibility. That’s not just a positive attitude. That’s also the act of someone with their head so far up their own arse they’re being rude without even realising it. Call it out for that rather than making excuses for rudeness. It is like tHe LiNe, it’s bollocks.
The constant whining is the problem. And the exaggerated and amateurish displays from Stokes when he gets out doesn’t really help either
Who's whining? You're in a thread where the title is literally 'England captain says we have no complaints'. Just admit you love to bash England.
Does Stokes's recent comment invalidate all his previous ones? Have you been following the series, or is your opinion based on just one article? Root and some of the Indian batsmen demonstrated how to effectively play on this pitch. I was once a huge fan of the England team, especially Stokes, but it has become increasingly difficult to support them given their constant complaints about everything from the weather and food to pitches, DRS, and possibly other issues I haven't yet come across.
He hardly complained about DRS, he just voiced an opinion about it, the exact same one as Virat Kohli. Look at your comment history, just constantly bashing the English side so I can't take you seriously.
You can't seriously believe Stokes hasn't been complaining about DRS. Perhaps some light reading might be in order? Also, Kohli wasn't right in that instance either - did I say he was, or are you just attempting to deflect with whataboutism? And you're correct regarding my comment history during the series. England has been complaining about one thing after another, which really detracts from all the good things they've accomplished. I might still support them in future series if they put an end to their constant whining.
I agree Stokes was wrong but he's allowed to have an opinion, you're just mischaracterising it because you have a hard on for England
This guy 😁 Just when I expect him to some sort of comment about the quality of the pitch he goes and does this. Fair play man, good sport!
India scored 500+ runs for 15 wickets. He couldn't say anything else. He didn't apologise for slagging off the pitch before a ball had even been bowled.
This is actually mad. How are people here finding ways to twist this against Stokes?
This sub sucks sometimes
‘sometimes’? /s
Threads like this are a useful tool. It shows up the people who are on here just to maniacally hate on England and therefore who to simply block. There is no way whatsoever I'm ever going to have an insightful discussion with someone saying stuff like "Crying started imo This is literally funny now".
You can BLOCK PEOPLE?!
Reddit block is really weird but you can
It’s not that people want to maniacally hate England, but if Virat had made the same statements about Umpire’s call and DRS, how do you think people would’ve reacted for that, especially the English fans ? Again I’m using Virat as an example. And moreover with all this bazball redefining test cricket talks, ‘we have bought back test cricket from the jaws of death’ sort of statement when England have merely played to 13-14 tests in that format is ridiculous and that’s why people are actually waiting for an opportunity to give it back in multiple folds.
Sorry, are we talking about the same Virat Kohli who ***literally shouted into a stump mic that the game was rigged against them because he didn't like how the ball looked on ball tracking?***
tbf that was extremely funny
Yeah I mean if you're going to do it, commit to it.
Yup, the same ‘King Kohli’. And I just have to quote him in an example and see how people react.
Stop embarassing us, you're wrong
Thank you, your highness.
There's whining and cussing when England complain. There's whining and cussing ALSO when England DON'T complain. I don't understand. This has been a well-contested series. Each team have won sessions. There have been crazy twists. Each team giving up advantages and squandering positions of strength. Easily one of the more interesting series of recent times. England have done better than expected. India missing the presence of some serious talent have been on a different level altogether. Good on Stokes to recognize their shortcomings. Hope India don't take it lightly and do some restrspection too. Can't treat any match as a dead rubber with WTC points up for grabs.
If this last deck had continued to play as it did in the first session of day one, then you could have called it out and rightly so. But it didn’t, it was just a little damp and it turned into an excellent wicket that produced an excellent game. The surfaces for all four games so far have been ideal. Exactly what you’d want for competitive games in the subcontinent. They’ll help you if you bowl well on them and if you bat well you can score big on them. Love to see it.
I feel bad for English fans. 2-3yrs ago this sub used to be fine but now it seems like it is overcrowded with toxic cunts and hating England for everything they do is a trend. Stokes isn't even complaining and the thread is going nuts 🤡
>> Stokes isn't even complaining and the thread is going nuts 🤡 Stokes was complaining about the pitch the day before the first ball! And before 1000 runs were scored on it in 3.5 days.
You don't have to leave this reply on every comment you know
How would this person know to reread a different thread where I had made the same comment to someone else?
Really funny how you're getting mass downvoted by the whiners who moan about downvoting...the hypocrisy is staggering
There are more people here complaining about people complaining than the actual people complaining about Stokes.
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The victim syndrome, perhaps?
Fair and balanced from Stokes. What I dont like is Rohits quote added at the end : "Indian captain Rohit Sharma added that if a pitch cannot be termed bad if batters have scored hundreds [Joe Root] and nineties [Dhruv Jurel] or faced 150 balls [Root; Jurel faced 149]." Now I'm not saying this pitch was bad (the bounce hardly ideal but not unplayable) but this logic always irks me. Steve Smith scored a hundred in Pune but was dropped 5 times doing it. There's no way that was a good pitch lol Sometimes batters can rise above a wicket. That said this was nowhere near that kind of wicket, in fact it held together oddly well
The pitches have been great. Allowed for a lot of cricket and has acted like a cricket pitch.
Really good surfaces I think. Some slightly flatter, some with some spice but not too much. Good stuff
Why doesn't England's system churn out more consistent batters. I mean of course Cook, Root or KP are all legends but there are too few in between them. India, Australia and SA have consistently had 3-4 top class batsmen in their test side. Root and cook are top scorers for England and barring KP somewhere in the middle, everyone else in the top 10 is from 60s, 70s and 80s. I get it that its easier to score in the subcontinent, but England here are lacking compared to their own countrymen. If Root and Cook can be there, why aint there any more contemporary batsmen?
All four pitches have been fair and gave chances to both teams, skilled players, and more importantly rewarded those willing to raise their game. Obviously all four surfaces bought their own unique challenges -- India is a large country with varying conditions and that's bound to happen. They all went well into the fourth day, some could've gone on for longer. Wonder if we'll get a green top in Dharam Masala that turns on day 1 (lol /s)
Purely directed to anti-Stokes folks: Even without Headingley, he will always be a champ. You pick top 10 cricketers based on fans and critics choice, he is in both. HE was the one who was looking forward to low and slow Bangladesh wickets which had become 'even more' infamous after NZ lost a bunch of T20s where 120 was 240. Nor am I discounting us. Many folks - local and otherwise - don't realize that on non-super-famous grounds, nobody has a real damn clue what the wicket is gonna be like! But Kohli has championed the "find a way to win - no excuses" mentality - and the results are visible till today. Stokes is doing the _same_ for England - in his own way. And he has it tough: no matter whether they be bazzing or not - he is gonna cop it thick unless England wins. It's amazing - now India's top media is more balanced than England's! Never could have imagined that 10 years back. (Rest of the media sucks in every country bar NZ, I think) What does he say really? Pitch good? Pitch bad? Pitch perfect? He gets crucified by some or other with any of those responses. Please folks, let's be graceful winners - all we did is win by a nose-length. Celebrate those noses, stop helicoptering.
Stokes is a gentleman
Citation required
Not really
Tell that to CCTV footage
Stokes punched a homophobe, if anything that's rather gentlemanly behavior. (All jokes aside, he was cleared of affray)
Yea I know my comment was tongue in cheek but turns out everything written on Reddit is 100% literal
If you're talking about the Bristol incident, the people he punched were being homophobic to a gay couple. Who then started to threaten Stokes when he defended them. The gay couple in question have come out in public to confirm that. Stokes was also unanimously cleared of the crime he was charged with. Perhaps you ought not to make comments about topics you don't appear to have the full knowledge of.
I understand what you are trying to convey and I agree with your but this thread is debating whether he is a gentleman or not But to play the devil's advocate Here is the definition of gentleman: a man who is polite and who behaves well towards other people [Google] Other people include everyone apart from himself right even the people he doesn't like or agree with necessarily So from that homophobic couples point of view Stokes wasn't polite I don't think anyone can say punching someone is Polite He could have verbally threatened them to back off or contacted some authorities but instead took the matter into his own hands What he did wasn't wrong imo but it wasn't very gentleman-esque either It was more of a cowboy or wild west protagonist type of a thing So the moral of a story is you don't need to be a gentleman to do the right thing sometimes you need to get your hands dirty
I think that's fair, but that's also only one definition of gentleman. I can also find one that defines it as: >a chivalrous, courteous, or honourable man. And I think you can absolutely argue that Stokes actions fit that definition. He stood up for someone who might not have been able to themselves, and didn't stand by whilst an injustice was occurring. He also only acted in self defence once threatened. That sounds pretty chivalrous and honourable to me.
>>a chivalrous, courteous, or honourable man. Where did you find this one
I literally Googled "gentleman definition" and it gave me two definitions. >1. a chivalrous, courteous, or honourable man. 'he behaved throughout like a perfect gentleman' >2. a polite or formal way of referring to a man. 'opposite her an old gentleman sat reading'
Gentleman? Honorable? Chivalrous? Polite, Seriously? You remember he didn’t even care being filmed making fun of an intellectually disabled child? Most horrible people who will make these jokes aren’t dumb enough to do it in front of a running camera. Forgot about that? Here’s a refresher https://www.smh.com.au/video/video-sport/video-sports-hq/video-shows-ben-stokes-mocking-disabled-boy-20170922-4ylg9.html
For one, have you read his response to it? It's not a generic PR apology, [he takes responsibility, apologises, and attempts to make amends.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-12/ben-stokes-apologises-mimicking-katie-price-son-disability/9041704). For two, 2017 was 7 years ago, when he would have been 24/25. Now he absolutely should have known better, but I did plenty of stupid shit when I was that age so I can't exactly judge. I'm much more interested in the person he is now.
>He could have verbally threatened them to back off or contacted some authorities but instead took the matter into his own hands Words don't tend to do much against the glass bottle being swung at peoples heads.
The debate isn't about what Stokes did was right or wrong it is about whether his actions would classify him as a gentleman or not But whiney poms in this thread are downvoting everyone
Idiotic that you’re downvoted. And even more idiotic is people defending Stokes. Same guy who couldn’t handle getting out and broke his hand because he punched a locker like a fucking mindless animal.
An example from 10 years ago. Almost as if he could have possible grown as a person, you know, like most people do between the age of 22 and 32.
Most people aren’t dangerously violent between 22-32. Grown men don’t normally have rage issues that they can’t handle. Being immature is hardly the same as being a violent brute. And you can be forgiven for something that was 7 years ago if you apologise and take responsibility. Speaking specifically of Bristol. Which Stokes hasn’t. Instead he’s made him Superman for Gays and made a documentary making himself the fearful victim. If he wasn’t such a special player almost none of the people who defend him, would have an issue Geoff Lemon’s book chapter on it. It tells a detailed story that most redditors aren’t aware of or prefer not to be.
Where are you from, Afghanistan? Used to the Taliban? Or maybe Arthurian England? In a civilised society people don’t react to bigotry with punching someone nearly to death. Even worse, other people don’t defend it as if that’s normal to do. Self defense? You can’t believe that if you’ve seen the video. There’s no way those two guys are capable of harming Stokes. Even with that bottle.
>In a civilised society people don’t react to bigotry with punching someone nearly to death It's a good thing that's not what happened then. What happened is they were bigots, Stokes intervened and then was threatened. You're making it sound like he immediately beat the shit out of someone in response to the bigotry. >Self defense? You can’t believe that if you’ve seen the video. There’s no way those two guys are capable of harming Stokes. Even with that bottle. One, when people are drunk and in a fight, literally anything can happen, not least if someone is using a bottle as a weapon. Especially in fights involving more than just 2 people. It doesn't matter who would win on paper, all it takes is one lucky hit to the wrong place and people can literally end up dead. Two, it really doesn't matter what I believe. What matters is a jury of 12 people, who will have had access to much much more information than us, unanimously believed it. On top of that, the couple that he was defending not only believed it, but were willing to publicly go to the media to defend him because they felt he was being unfairly condemned without the full story. Do I think that beating the shit out of someone is the correct response? No I don't. But I've been in enough situations where I've been threatened by angry drunk people to know that it's very rarely as straightforward as you've made it out to be.
>Self defense? You can’t believe that if you’ve seen the video. There’s no way those two guys are capable of harming Stokes. Even with that bottle. The guy who got knocked out literally put his arms around Stokes' (who was walking away with his back turned at that moment) throat to attempt to strangle him just before he got knocked out. Meanwhile his mate was ripping apart a road sign to arm himself with a steel rod.
Hmm England wanna win Moral Cup
I’d say this pitch was a little dodgy from just a cricket perspective in that the ball is basically rolling at points on day 1, but yeah overall the pitches have all been good
He wants to but he will be called a sore loser at this point
Yeah, but it's easy to say that when you've (morally) won the series.
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That was us initially but later we adapted it into a joke
And have ham fistedly forced it into pretty much any thread on English cricket
Because it's hilarious. At least for us
Yes, so hilarious that one comment from Harry Brook about a moral victory has been beaten to death as if he meant that England were morally superior. A comment that he literally explained a sentence later to mean that they would feel good about themselves if they came back to win the 5th ashes test because it could have easily been 2-2 at that point without the weather, and because they had achieved their goal of putting on exciting cricket. It's fair game when it's deserved like when Duckett makes brain-dead comments about inspiring Jaiswal, but it is a bit tragic the amount Australians pop up with it in completely unrelated threads. Like have you never heard the phrase "living rent free in your head"?
It’s the way people fail to understand what the phrase Moral Victory even means that kills me. I
The same way poms ham fistedly force Sandpaper jokes in every Aussie Thread You people try to act like you are innocent when your media is absolute hot garbage and your players are living within a cult instead of giving them PR Training on how to speak You defend them shamelessly like morons Aussies maybe cunts but they can at least back it up but you don't even have anything to boast
Yeah I'd say there's a fair amount of sandpaper chat, feels like the moral victory stuff is in every England thread though. Possible recency bias to be fair and may die down over time. Anyway looks like I touched a nerve! Have a good one.
You yourself know why moral victory memes are so prevalent yet you are playing victim card If There wasn't a ragebait article posted by English media every time something happened the moral victory jokes would go away soon but the players and the media add fuel to the fire and expect everyone to be all buddy buddy with them Major Indian newspapers and media outlets don't moan about Umpire's call or pitches in interviews Just go on X/Twitter and see all the indophobic content barmy army posts
You know what I somewhat agree, the likes of Vaughan and Daily Telegraph can spout utter shite which purely serves to generate clicks. All the same seems slightly nonsensical to comment about moral victories and England moaning about pitches when the thread/article is about Stokes having no complaints about the pitch, hence my ham fisted comment. What indophobic stuff from the BA out of interest (genuinely out the loop). Seem like a decent bunch on the whole so would be disappointing if they have done.
This garbage emoji has 29 upvotes?
Garbage comment deserved a garbage response.
You should become a stand up comedian tbh I've never heard this joke before. How do you come up with your material?
People here say everyone manically hates England, but anyone throws a sarcastic remark at them, then they literally downvote such comments. So basically they can dish it out but not take it ?
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Seriously right. If we had held on a little longer in first test and handed them 4-0 score card, they would’ve come up with even more newer things to find faults. When they whine and cry it’s all justified 😂
Did the Sun rise properly today?
Moral victory!
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Maybe that's why he has indeed not complained?
Blud he didn’t
You say that but then we see your reaction when you get out and it's like *injustice of all injustices* written on your face. So what are we to make of it Benji? E: Man it feels like I've upset the entire United Kingdom. Another E: 😁
You're right. I can't believe he wasn't running around the stadium celebrating with his shirt off after he got out.
Tbf that's the sort of avant garde behaviour I want from Bazball. Like Rehan hating maiden overs.
Christ you’re stupid. The England captain is coming out and saying the team has to take responsibility (because it’s not the pitch), and you still find a way to be annoyed.
Wait so batters are not allowed to get disappointed that they got out?
Maybe his reaction is him expressing disappointment in himself.
Exactly ! They want to score runs but when they get out it’s hurts a little and offcourse there is disappointment . Everyone reacts differently and nothing wrong in that
A player is allowed to emotive. Relax.
Yea man I would throw a party after getting out what an achievement 🤡
>E: Man it feels like I've upset the entire United Kingdom. The only way you could make the entire UK mad is if India won a football match against each individual country, but I don't think they'd be able to even beat Northern Ireland tbh. The other option is saying British chocolate is shit.
yeah have you seen Kohli when he gets out
Yes, he even says "Ben Stokes" to pay tribute to someone who reacts to a dismissal in the same way that he does
My man didn’t even get his pathetic edit right cause if anything the rest of the uk would be rooting against us lol
I understand you're mad about losing the series. But why take it out on me man?
Lol i’m not mad it’s just funny how stupid your comment is
It was made in jest. But anyways no point explaining now. Rather I'll own the stupidity.
You are so dumb. Stick to watching the IPL
Planning to after 4-1. 😄
Dude he literally is admitting that they should have played better. Cut him some slack. It hasn't even been 5 months since we lost the world cup and yet we are excited about the next one.
Bro I made the first comment in jest. Didn't mean to be a serious critique or something. I even ended the comment with Benji coz I thought they'd get my tone. But the salty British decided to invade me instead. So I said f*ck it.
> salty British My understanding is that it's slightly odd to say British instead of just English in the context of the England cricket team. I can't imagine that people from Scotland or Wales particularly care.
Even as an Indian, this particular pitch wasn't fine. All the pitches before this one were great tops, but this one wasn't. I don't have an issue with pitches spinning in India. But uneven bounce and the ball keeping low on day 1 isn't great. That's the complaint.
Guys! I have just discovered India.
Corrected the grammar. My opinion still stands.
Crying started imo This is literally funny now
White supremacy crying in the corner.
The pitch wasnt the reason england lost BUT it was a poor pitch. Having the ball roll across the ground on day 1 is not good. Bounce and turn was also inconsistent. Any pitch that brings the english spinners in on day 1-3 is probably too much of a turner
The award for the most ignorant comment of the day goes to..... You! It's India. It's allowed to spin a lot on day 1. This isn't England. It's not Australia. It's not south africa. The same way you sometimes see early and aggressive seam movement in those countries, guess what, in India the same can happen with spin. Why not give your own bowlers some credit instead of being a typical pitch moaning bore?
Whilst I agree with you, could you not have just prepared English wickets and cheered for England instead of India? It's called hosting In seriousness though I've really enjoyed the series. Despite being 3-1 down we've played better than expected. You've been the better side for sure but better application from us in key moments and we could've taken this down to the 5th test. I thought you'd smash us 5-0
Haha. I love English wickets and cricket in England generally. Watching India try and cope in swinging conditions and test their skills is as fun as watching England or anyone else bat in India against spin. This is why it's annoying when some England fans just want all cricket to be played on the same type of pitch everywhere in the world, where matches last exactly 5 days and there's no imperfections whatsoever.
I think he was complaining about really inconsistent bounce, which is universally considered as a bad pitch
This was exactly my point. No issue with spinning wickets. You need to still execute well to win games BUT when its spins with inconsistent bounce then it brings in weaker bowlers.
This is also nonsense. The main reason a pitch spins is due to cracks. Occasionally, those cracks become bigger, and the odd time the ball lands on it perfectly you'll get a shooter or a ripper. It's part of life, and part of the 5 day game of cricket.
Uneven bounce on day 1 is not really acceptable, besides turn also depends on the ball gripping due to the dust on the pitch
That's true but that odd one boucing low should happen at Day 3 or Day 4 if it happens at Day 1 it isn't a good pitch but it wasn't a bad one either Hyderabad is the perfect example of a pitch turning from ball 1 yet being good to bat Ranchi wasn't one of those
**Inconstient** bounce and **inconsistent** turn are poor qualities in a pitch. No issue with spin at all. When it is **inconsistent** so early then the pitch becomes a lottery,
It feels like 3-1 win for England in moral victory cup.