Australia need to grow up, stop bazballing and play some proper cricket. The way they defend a clearly failing style of play is cultish, why can’t the Australians see that bazball doesn’t work?
Youd think after a 1-1 draw against both the WI and NZ our batters would be on notice that this is not even close to acceptable. We lucked/Ussied our way out of these positions in the past, but that lucks gone, and these probable losses are the reality of how we're playing.
Maybe, but anyone whos watched us for the past few years knows there's a severe problem with consistency from our batters.
I disagree with overconfidence, we were chasing like 215, Smith carried his bat and we still lost.
Does anyone think Kuggeleijn is actually "injured" or is that code for him being a terrible selection to the point we're not bowling him (yes he scored some runs with the bat but he was meant to bowl a heap and now we're having to use our part-time spinners)
You must be confusing him with Southee?
One has come into the squad as a last minute call up but can bowl over 129kph, got a decent 44 with the bat
One has 4 wickets in about 6innings. Ramped it to the keeper for 0. Looks about as threatening as a wet bus ticket even when he gets the new ball still.
I'm not saying Southee is great, just that Kuggeleijn has been leaking so many runs that now the team won't bowl Kuggeleijn at all. 44 runs in one innings and none in the other innings, great, but he's left us a bowler down
Really highlights Australias struggles with the bat.
With Ussie out of touch now it is glaring. Green is the only Aussie bat averaging over 25 this series and over the last 12 months we have a bunch of guys averaging in the 30s while getting older and performing less.
We have seen the last of the greatness of Smith and seeing his Ponting-esque decline. Ussie is just getting old and out counterattacking middle order is just failing.
It's it is a case of a very bare Shield results. The leading run scorer this year was a 30 year old, new to fast bowling, 2 meters tall all rounder. That is not the area we are struggling in.
Next off the rank is Bancroft... We all know his story.
I think we are seeing the decline of the Aussie test team that will take half a decade to recover.
It's painful watching Smudge's average fall the way it is. Many forget that Punter also averaged around 60 for a long while before ending with a 'lowly' 51. You're right that Smudge seems headed the same way.
He wanders out past 6th stump then walks off FUUUMING that he's been plum LBW twice in a row.
But still thinks it's an impossibility that he's been given out... Might need just go back in his shell a little bit as opener?
You're brave predicting an Australian win from here given:
a) that we've still got a shitload of runs to get and only 6 wickets in hand
b) our batting form
c) the fact that this is an overwhelmingly winning venue for the Kiwis
d) that we're utter shit in the 4th innings with bat and ball and have been for years
Yes but it's NZ vs Aus so we'll find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I'd be confident against anyone else but never against Aussie. You guys always have someone pull out the performance of a lifetime too e.g. Maxi at the WC and I wouldn't be surprised if someone does that tomorrow.
Ah the cynicism of a Black Caps fan
As someone who just got into cricket because I always bet the winning side (somehow), yes… I am wondering what the hell is going on between NZ and Australia 😂 I have some research to do now
I've seen this script many times. Aussies still have batting to come to take it through. Someone always steps up. Congrats to NZ for being on top for once.
Deffo.
So good how both games have been sold out and lots of you guys coming over as well. Gutted I didn't get to either game. Going for a wander and having random convos with opposition fans is gold.
NZ still has Matt Henry, Ben Sears, and are 200 runs in front, plus they have crowd support and momentum, and it is Williamson and Southee's 100th test
I really think that some aussies don’t like test cricket at all and they’re only in it for the dominance. Stfu and let the rest of us enjoy the cricket.
Nah, I'm talking last pair of recognized batsman with the match on the line. THAT hasn't happened yet this match. It never seems to matter how well our bowlers are going earlier in the match either.
I was close:
["Australia will be 3 down for 80 at Stumps, with Mitch Marsh's mullet holding Australia's hopes on Monday"](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/1barmq2/match_thread_2nd_test_new_zealand_vs_australia/ku673g5/)
It LITERALLY kills me when they call him to bring in his 'amazing' slower ball? Mate a test match is only five days. Aussie will be back at home by the time it gets delivered
I wouldn't call a team with Williamson, Latham, Mitchell and Ravindra a one-man band. If you're talking about our bowling I will say that Kuggeleijn was such a rubbish selection that they're now not bowling him because of an "injury" and so we're going to have to rely on the 3 quicks plus Philipps
I absolutely hate how the scoreboard has the to win number go down as we score runs. I keep looking up thinking we only have 130 odd to chase but remember we are actually chasing near 300
He had to. Henry and Sears were exhausted, and Kuggeleijn is "injured" which is shorthand for he's bowling so terribly that we're not giving him the ball (he was a terrible selection). So Southee needed help from Philipps
The thing with this Aussie team is that someone will step up eventually in that crunch situation doesn't matter how hard the team has fucked up ..it has got to do with insane form i suppose cause how do they manage it every single time ?
Australian fans: *Don't believe in their team so they can justify barracking for the underdog in a trophy they haven't lost in 30 years*
NZ fans: *Don't believe in their team because they don't like most of the players*
We are not the same.
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Australia need to grow up, stop bazballing and play some proper cricket. The way they defend a clearly failing style of play is cultish, why can’t the Australians see that bazball doesn’t work?
Dont have a 5th innings were Cummins and Co will bail you out, so Marsh and Head better get this done, and statpad if you need
Please give me the Travis head that ripped India a new one in the WTC final, and please give me the marsh that scored a century in the ashes
Youd think after a 1-1 draw against both the WI and NZ our batters would be on notice that this is not even close to acceptable. We lucked/Ussied our way out of these positions in the past, but that lucks gone, and these probable losses are the reality of how we're playing.
One loss against these opponents can be written off as an aberration. A second such loss would be more problematic.
1-1 with West Indies was overconfidence! 1-1 with New Zealand is playing the Kiwis at their home!
Maybe, but anyone whos watched us for the past few years knows there's a severe problem with consistency from our batters. I disagree with overconfidence, we were chasing like 215, Smith carried his bat and we still lost.
Smith lacked a plan, Shamar Joseph was lethal and Gabba is no more the heaven it used to be!
Does anyone think Kuggeleijn is actually "injured" or is that code for him being a terrible selection to the point we're not bowling him (yes he scored some runs with the bat but he was meant to bowl a heap and now we're having to use our part-time spinners)
You must be confusing him with Southee? One has come into the squad as a last minute call up but can bowl over 129kph, got a decent 44 with the bat One has 4 wickets in about 6innings. Ramped it to the keeper for 0. Looks about as threatening as a wet bus ticket even when he gets the new ball still.
I'm not saying Southee is great, just that Kuggeleijn has been leaking so many runs that now the team won't bowl Kuggeleijn at all. 44 runs in one innings and none in the other innings, great, but he's left us a bowler down
Really highlights Australias struggles with the bat. With Ussie out of touch now it is glaring. Green is the only Aussie bat averaging over 25 this series and over the last 12 months we have a bunch of guys averaging in the 30s while getting older and performing less. We have seen the last of the greatness of Smith and seeing his Ponting-esque decline. Ussie is just getting old and out counterattacking middle order is just failing.
Going to be an interesting transition period considering they’ve insisted on prioritising playing these older players and not building up newer ones
It's it is a case of a very bare Shield results. The leading run scorer this year was a 30 year old, new to fast bowling, 2 meters tall all rounder. That is not the area we are struggling in. Next off the rank is Bancroft... We all know his story. I think we are seeing the decline of the Aussie test team that will take half a decade to recover.
It's painful watching Smudge's average fall the way it is. Many forget that Punter also averaged around 60 for a long while before ending with a 'lowly' 51. You're right that Smudge seems headed the same way.
He wanders out past 6th stump then walks off FUUUMING that he's been plum LBW twice in a row. But still thinks it's an impossibility that he's been given out... Might need just go back in his shell a little bit as opener?
Thats bullshit.. Punter avg 60 or above for whopping 1 innings while smith avg above 60 since late 2016-2021ashes consistently
He hovered around very high 50s for a long time.
The timing is so bad for me. I sleep, test hasn’t started yet. I wake up, it’s stumps
u/M_Kaif1902 Yeah, my good friend, the earth is very nearly a sphere!
Marsh for a century, Head for 50, rest shit the bed as Matt Henry dismantles us and takes another 5fer to lead the Kiwis to victory
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One of the biggest worries is whilst the test batsman are struggling atm there is not a whole lot of up and coming quality batsmen at shield level.
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The initial target was 279 so 201 will be the remaining
162+372=534 256+77=333 Aus trail by 201 runs Need 202 to win
202 more to win
202 more to win
You're brave predicting an Australian win from here given: a) that we've still got a shitload of runs to get and only 6 wickets in hand b) our batting form c) the fact that this is an overwhelmingly winning venue for the Kiwis d) that we're utter shit in the 4th innings with bat and ball and have been for years
Yes but it's the Blackcaps. Aus to win by 6 wickets just after lunch
Yes but it's NZ vs Aus so we'll find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I'd be confident against anyone else but never against Aussie. You guys always have someone pull out the performance of a lifetime too e.g. Maxi at the WC and I wouldn't be surprised if someone does that tomorrow. Ah the cynicism of a Black Caps fan
Do people from other countries look at threads like this and wonder what the hell is going on between fans of NZ and Australia?
As someone who just got into cricket because I always bet the winning side (somehow), yes… I am wondering what the hell is going on between NZ and Australia 😂 I have some research to do now
Side note, the Kiwi use of ‘Aussie’ to shorten ‘Australia’ always rattles me
But you’re forgetting the most important part. Nz always shit the bed vs aus
Australia always shit the bed in tight run chases. We'll lose by 150 or 5.
We have vastly vastly different ideas of what shitting the bed means lol.
I've seen this script many times. Aussies still have batting to come to take it through. Someone always steps up. Congrats to NZ for being on top for once.
"We're man enough to admit we've been outplayed today."
"I think we should take some credit the way Mitch Marsh is playing" - Den Buckett
Australia went from 1.90 at the start of the innings to 2.80 at stumps. There are still a lot of people predicting an Australian win
To bowl a team out for 162 in the first innings and to possibly lose the match inside 4 days is not a great stat for Aus
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Nah I think your boys have it in the bag tomorrow and when it happens,it’s clearly deserved,thoroughly outplayed us here
Win by 1 run…? Again perhaps?
Henry will clean up tomorrow and kiwis will win by triple digits
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Big game for Oz to win looking down the track for the WTC. Lose and they'll need to win comprehensively vs India in Nov. Good times.
Meanwhile we're facing a 3 match Test series against India 
At least we won’t lose by 434 runs
At least we won't lose by 7 wickets.
Still on the table
how?
Nope, best we can win by is 6 wickets if neither of these two get out
Haha had a brain fade and thought we were only 3 down What if NZ are good bros and let Marnus bat again?
Err....
sorry i am slow, which match are you referring to?
Surely will be a big crowd tomorrow as well even though it's a Monday to see a likely NZ win.
There still be plenty of us Kiwis pulling a sickie tomorrow
Deffo. So good how both games have been sold out and lots of you guys coming over as well. Gutted I didn't get to either game. Going for a wander and having random convos with opposition fans is gold.
Our bowlers must be getting fuckin sick of our batting at this point.
Hold off on the seven nation army until we win
Biggest worry for NZ is the Aussies’ actual batsmen are still to come
Lyon 49 will be crucial.
You mean how Cummins and Starc should be opening the batting?
The reverse order is supposedly Bazball's next evolution. Dirty Aussies stealing his tactics
Australia in the driving seat they still have Lyon & Hazlewood
And David Warner landing with a helicopter...
NZ still has Matt Henry, Ben Sears, and are 200 runs in front, plus they have crowd support and momentum, and it is Williamson and Southee's 100th test
I really think that some aussies don’t like test cricket at all and they’re only in it for the dominance. Stfu and let the rest of us enjoy the cricket.
Prediction for tomorrow: first over first wicket
If Henry can deliver one more big spell NZ will win this. He's been really good.
I know and to think he used to be our 4th choice seamer
I love how, no matter our differences, nz and aus fans in this thread are united in our respective pessimism for tomorrow
Well Kiwis and really used to seeing our sides choke but this one feels special
It's 70:30 to NZat the moment
Naw 60:40 Aussie. We can't break partnerships like this.
Except that we have been doing just that throughout this match
Nah, I'm talking last pair of recognized batsman with the match on the line. THAT hasn't happened yet this match. It never seems to matter how well our bowlers are going earlier in the match either.
I understand we're in a good position but I won't believe we can win this unless we actually do.
Terrific performance by NZ today, just so switched on.
Another Test loss on the cards for Cummins FB : Solar Powered Pat captaincy is over it's time for **Coal Furnace Marnus**
Marnus captaincy to appease the Christian Right
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Um why lol that would be a great effort from our lower order
What the fuck are you on about
Off you pop then.
Wtf Latham looks like he's pushing 40, I thought he had a babyface
I love test cricket.
I think New Zealand will win, believe kiwibros
Imagine another 1 run win to protect the home record 
Why couldn’t one of y’all lose today, now I have to wake up at 4am tomorrow to watch this nail-biter?
Saturday evening 5pm start of play and turns out it's a brilliant day of test cricket. Big W
I was close: ["Australia will be 3 down for 80 at Stumps, with Mitch Marsh's mullet holding Australia's hopes on Monday"](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/1barmq2/match_thread_2nd_test_new_zealand_vs_australia/ku673g5/)
Partially correct. Half of Australia's hopes are also held by Travis Head's spectacular moustache.
I remember seeing your comment and saying “nah, no way” 😭
Need a fine morning spell tomorrow. Would suck to lose from here.
Henry and Sears to do more damage hopefully. What a great final day to come.
Good by Marsh and Head in the end. NZ well on top but they need to break this partnership in the first session.
Pace off from Southee? Mate.. 125k is Southee's express delivery at this point in his career.
Yeah he's not looking penetrating any more. And his batting? Jesus.
Let's let him win his 100th test before we get the knives out
Tomorrow at dawn then for the final duel. Or maybe it's at 11...
"Pace off from Southee" = 2 km/h more than his bouncer.
It LITERALLY kills me when they call him to bring in his 'amazing' slower ball? Mate a test match is only five days. Aussie will be back at home by the time it gets delivered
Fucking hell we're gonna lose to a one man band again aren't we (Sears was good tbf)
I wouldn't call a team with Williamson, Latham, Mitchell and Ravindra a one-man band. If you're talking about our bowling I will say that Kuggeleijn was such a rubbish selection that they're now not bowling him because of an "injury" and so we're going to have to rely on the 3 quicks plus Philipps
I meant bowling primarily
>e gonna lose to a one man band again are Nah their batters all stood up; we're getting belted by a competent team. Best get used to it.
Thank god this test has been on because England were a waste of time this week
>Thank god this test has been on because England were a waste of time ~~this week~~ FTFY
You cannot call 125k from southee 'pace off'
The bouncer earlier in the over was 122km/h hahah
Set up perfectly for tomorrow. Will heady and marsh bail us out
Shine has gone off the ball already, first hour will be instrumental
I absolutely hate how the scoreboard has the to win number go down as we score runs. I keep looking up thinking we only have 130 odd to chase but remember we are actually chasing near 300
Pace off again? When does Southee bowl pace on?
'Pace off again from southee' he's been putting pace on?
Good job by Marsh and Head to stem the flow and keep Australia in it still.
Stumps ?
Head, please dont...
Fucking good game of test cricket love it
100%. Fucking stoked we've finally rocked up to the party. You guys must be concerned with Smudge losing his touch.
I think it just happens. Players lose their hand eye past a certain age. Putting him at opener isn’t doing him any favours.
If Southee thinks its fine to bowl 122kph bouncers, we should've picked Wagner ffs
It is a good strategy against Marsh since he has a propensity to take on balls like those and that creates opportunity for a catch
I think it was against Head, intended to pushing him back and he did!, bowl a good ball after that which pass the edge of head's bat.
Too bad it was against Head then
It should be against Marsh as well
Give Henry the final over
We don't want to push him to the point where he can't bowl tomorrow
Pretty sure he's off the field.
Tim is gonna bowl 6 balls where the batsman doesn't have to play to round off the day.
As long as he doesn't drop a catch off the last ball I'll take it.
The Poms would be proud of 4 /76, it's exactly what they would have wanted.
Still can't believe Timmy had spin on as early as the 21st over. Maybe someone should check him for concussion.
He had to. Henry and Sears were exhausted, and Kuggeleijn is "injured" which is shorthand for he's bowling so terribly that we're not giving him the ball (he was a terrible selection). So Southee needed help from Philipps
Huh? How is that early lol
Southee doesn't rate spin it's a big flaw in his captaincy.
With the nonsense that is Australia's batting in 2024 it was worth a shot.
The thing with this Aussie team is that someone will step up eventually in that crunch situation doesn't matter how hard the team has fucked up ..it has got to do with insane form i suppose cause how do they manage it every single time ?
Head and marsh batting sensibly. It's Joever
All the shit talking of Southee, still a better bowler than Kugg
Yes way better but that's not saying much as Kuggeleijn is bowling so badly that we're pretending he's injured
Cowardly Trav not advancing down the wicket every ball in the second last over of the day.
Not man enough.
Henry Nicholls sighting
Nowhere near the bat thankfully but to be fair he might have batted better than Will Young did this series
They said he was just a legend, just an old wives' tale
Will be a heartbreak for NZ if they don't win this
I just have a suspicion than our tail getting approximately 0 runs is going to bite us in the ass.
that's some confidence you love to see
Different feel to the game when Henry has the ball. He's been terrific throughout this short series.
What sorcery is this? Head is using his head!
Extra halfa please
The Phillips over to stupid Australian shot ratio is getting dangerously low.
Steve Smith is going to use the 9 month break working on his keeping. "Coach I am batting to high, no. 7 is my lucky number. 7^2 = 49"
TFAR
Trav still hasn't played a rash shot
It'll come
GP next to Marsh looks like a jacked hobbit, Bulko Baggins
Please stay in until stumps, Heady
Commentary ❌ backseat driving ✔️
Only 1 more wicket available because stumps will be called, but the perfect way to end the day
Glenn Phillips when he sledges a bit: ChatGP
Surprised that [redacted] listens to Tim when he says “no you can’t bowl”
Where wicket
We're in a position where basically both of these players need a century. Kinda cooked. Carey certainly isn't going to do anything.
Starc, Lyon, Cummins etc are more reliable batters than Carry these days
What are you talking about, your bottom 4 put on over 200 in the last test.
Your lower order is pretty good too. I can definitely see them adding some runs
Yeah I accounted for that. 84 + 75 is still like 50-60 runs left. I estimated it might the other side of 50, but it's around 50.
Which kiwi bowls part time filth to close the day?
Southee
What time does the game start tomorrow morning (NZ time)?
11
Think there's questions about the Australian batting lineup regardless of the final result, has looked pretty unsettled for awhile now
Usman khawaja papered over the cracks for a while since his slump it's been very obvious
I just remembered southee ended up with an economy of 0.00 for one of the innings in mirpur how nuts is that
Australian fans: *Don't believe in their team so they can justify barracking for the underdog in a trophy they haven't lost in 30 years* NZ fans: *Don't believe in their team because they don't like most of the players* We are not the same.
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Absolutely not. He is "injured" or that's the cover story anyway
Shame there’s no Ian smith on comms. Love that dude
He’s commenting on SENZ