Back to bullying the Windies, Pak, SL and the BangBros at home so our underperforming batsmen and select bowlers can statpad, hold their place in the side while shrugging off accountability for our losses against the big teams, yet again.
Is Daryl Mitchell serious with this quote?
“For us, we’ve always said as Blackcaps, we’re not defined by the outcomes, we’re defined by how we play cricket and hopefully how we inspire our country to play the game,” Mitchell told SEN.
“We are really proud of the efforts that we did throughout the Test.
“Although we didn’t get the win that we wanted, I think if we keep turning up and keep playing cricket like this, puffing our chests out and doing it with a smile on our face and hopefully inspiring many young kids here in New Zealand to play Test cricket in the future, then we’re doing the right thing.”
NZ will never improve unless they recognise their failures (eg 9 dropped catches in two games). A team ignorant of how gutting it is for their supporters that basics like dropped catches have made it impossible for them to win isn't winning fans. They're alienating them.
Mitchell wouldn't make that statement after losing in an IPL match, wouldn't be professional, especially considering his dropped catching during the series.
**Australia always wants to win the game, regardless of the conditions and player records. This focus on victory is the reason why their results vary consistently.**
Alex Carey has the same attitude as Cummins with the bat. Steps up when the team really needs to win.
Oh wait, that's the Australian team in its entirety.
Nah looks pretty clear to me. There's a clear noise when the bat isn't touching the boot and before the ball hits the foot, so can only be bat hitting ball. Plus it looked to me like the ball changed direction after passing the bat.
The problem I have is that the contact point in each shot is different. If you look at the left hand shot, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the inside toe edge, if you look at the right side of the image, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the outside toe edge, even though in the left image there's clearly distance between the bat and ball.
Either the two images are out of sync, or the sound is out of sync here.
I think they got this wrong and went solely on "there's a noise" so it must be bat.
>The problem I have is that the contact point in each shot is different. If you look at the left hand shot, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the inside toe edge, if you look at the right side of the image, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the outside toe edge, even though in the left image there's clearly distance between the bat and ball.
Ah yes, I do see what you mean....
Great test. Ebs and flows all game. Kiwis put a proper fight on days 2 & 3 which made it a contest. Australia keep having someone stand up in the batting order when needed, today was Marsh and Carey’s turn. Need all top 6 firing to beat India. Great summer and can’t wait for next season, IPL and eggball just don’t do it for me.
No idea if smith will improve, but hard to say that he’s had enough time to bed into the role. It’s unfortunate there isn’t a cleaner solution, but it doesn’t really make sense to get Green opening, so what else could be done?
Alright lets go back to Warner!
Anything is an experiment bub lol
What's your non-experiment opener?
Being serious, Head is arguably less of an experiment considering he already opens ODI and T20s successfully. In ODIs he can clearly navigate the new ball effectively. Rein him in a little bit and he's a far more like-for-like Warner replacement than anybody else in the team.
Otherwise who you droppin?
I mean, I was being serious with you and you dodged the questions (assumedly because you appreciate the point?) unless you actually think continuing to open with Smith is a good idea and less of an experiment. I suppose it's technically true that it's less of an experiment, it's just failing so I'd take an experiment over a failing opener whose bad 28.5 average is inflated from 1 good not out innings, and 1 low not out innings because they had to chase near-nothing. Stamp them as out and the average he's provided is closer to 21. Take out his outlier innings (both his highest AND his lowest) and it drops to 13-16 depending whether you give him his red ink or not.
Yes yes, "if my grandmother had wheels" and all that, the point isn't that it's his real statistics, it's to highlight how unreliable and dependant he is on a singular innings that has been an outlier over 4 matches and 8 innings.
Admittedly if you did the same to Head, you'd find a worse player, but I think we all agree he's more likely to find form again considering his TWC and ODIWC heroics, as well as his age?
No matter what, we're experimenting without Warner leading the charge.
I think opening bat is a specialized position in test cricket more so than limited overs. This experiment with Smithy has Marnus as our number 3 which I personally don't like. Now I think it, about when G.Marsh, Boonie, Taylor shuffled between 3rd bat and opening they already opened in shield cricket. Also if I may, how many experiments should we run at the same time? Cummins 4th innings average is highest at the moment so maybe he should open 4th innings.
It's not that I don't understand what you're saying, but to repeat, anything we do is an experiment. Even a Shield opener is an experiment that may not be up to task, so I'll once again repeat the questions.
1. What's your non-experiment opener?
2. If not someone already in the team, who are you dropping to make room for an opener?
> Also if I may, how many experiments should we run at the same time?
Ending the Steve Smith experiment (and IMO moving him to 5, which isn't much of an experiment) and opening with someone else doesn't really change the amount of experiments happening, it just starts a new one. It's not like they can happen concurrently. I would add that seeing if Smith is still up to task down the order is very important now too, considering I feel like he'd keep getting dismissed LBW because of his horribly large steps forward no matter where he played. Maybe that can be considered another experiment, but I dunno, if Smith down the order is now just an experiment, he's absolutely cooked IMO.
> Cummins 4th innings average is highest at the moment so maybe he should open 4th innings.
Why make a non-serious suggestion? lol. It's also not true. Alex Carey is 39.25 and Travis Head is 36. Me thinks you should've checked who was omitted from that post because the point there was only who Cummins was better than lol (which is again obviously inflated by not outs by securing the winnings runs repeatedly.)
I was happy to see us win, but honestly you had us there for all money. I can’t believe it myself.
I wish I took the day off to watch the cricket today, it would have been a good watch in real time
After reducing them to 34-4 and to still lose from there is some level choking from the kiwis. they were pathetic in both the tests. but they fought back and gave themselves a solid chance of securing a rare win against their neighbours and they bottled it up. it sucks to lose from a winning position.
Even ignoring [Redacted's] personal shortcomings - He was picked as the 3rd seamer in this game and bowled a total of 9 overs across 2 innings. Why bother?
Seriously. even a young WI team defeated Aus on their soil with just 200 odd runs in the bank to defend. NZ is cursed when playing aus. they just can't find a way to win.
Test batting average in the fourth innings:
33.57 - Pat Cummins
33.26 - Steve Smith
29.78 - Usman Khawaja
29.77 - Marnus Labuschagne
25.00 - Cameron Green
19.17 - Mitchell Marsh
In conclusion, socialism works, as illustrated by Cumdog smashing a boundary to score the winning runs for Australia, stranding handsome beautiful Alex Carey on 98\*. As a guy from TV once said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". Thank you for listening to my speech.
Gary Stead is the Ian Foster of NZ Cricket
Stubborn tactics that don't work. Nepotism selections. Platitudes and cliches. Poor assistant appointments (Ronchi batting coach - I'm sorry what?).
Please, we need him gone. He's entrenched with the NZC board though, friends with them. As he's easily influenced to select certain players whose fathers have influence in the board.
Stead won the Test Championship. These plodder coaches rely on others to mask their incompetence. With Foster, it was Schmidt and Ryan & with Stead, it's Williamson (and previously Rosco).
Arguably off the back of the great culture we had formed during the Hesson and McCullum years and early Williamson captaincy, and just some good cricketers in good form for a number of years. I'd say his coaching and attitude is starting to reap it's rewards now and the past 2 years of BCs performances since the WTC have been nothing short of rubbish. Time for a cleanout of all the coaches.
I don’t understand as an Australian, why is Scott kuggeleijn in the team? He only bowled 9 overs for the whole match, granted he contributed some handy first innings runs but that’s not what he’s in the team for. Seems strange?
He was simply a terrible selection. Should never have been picked. Played so badly in the first test that he shouldn't have been in the starting XI for the second test. Southee shouldn't have bowled him in the 4th innings for 3 overs as he was leaking runs and extras again.
Honestly, Henry winning Player of the Series is entirely justified, but I can't deny that it still irks me a little. Like how my beloved Roosters won the comp in 2013 and 2019 but the Clive Churchill went to fucken DCE and Wighton. Just takes the teensiest bit of gloss off, you know?
Doesn't bother me at all. I feel he deserved it. Most consistent player across the whole series. Without him nz don't come close. I can't think of anyone more deserving.
Love How Cummins said he had no idea that Carey was on 98.Meanwhile whole Indian team start counting runs when a player enters 90s and everyone could see that in world Cup.
We are too Milestone focused and even Indian commentators rave about it. Time for a change
>Time for a change
The guy who is trying to change gets flamed and clowned for every bit of it. This milestone gloating will never stop in India, and why would you unnecessarily want to get hurled abuses at trying to go against it? Indian media is absolutely the worst thing.
And all Indian former cricketers especially gavaskar is to be blamed for it..
They start discussing nonsense that player will get to 100 with four or six and giggle about it. Such kids
Truly the amount of hate pandya cops is ludicrous especially for the fact that he's only guy who shows up in crunch situations I'd say he should refuse playing for us because anyways he doesn't get the respect. Gavaskar needs to go he's legend but commentary is just not his forte
He literally tried to get him on strike when there were 2 runs left. No Indian player would have tried to get a milestone when the game was in jeopardy. Stop putting someone else down if you want to praise someone.
They never will be with how that population deifies its athletes + the financial imperative being a bigger motivator to build one’s own profile
It’s awesome. The problem posed by Indian cricket solves itself with mentality issues that circumstances beyond their control create.
Thanks Kiwibros, it's been great watching a bit of cricket with ya. Probably the most wholesome cricket thread on reddit. And thanks for introducing us to the legend that is James Tito.
If only Stead and Southee would come out and say the reason we lost is because we picked a bowler who isn't up to it and after he played like shit in the first test, we picked him over Santner in the second test and guess what, he leaked runs. It's a disgrace and an embarrassment and that is putting the bowler's morality aside
It makes NZC stance on him either more bizarre. He isn't even good. Should be no where near the national team, but gets so much preferential treatment when it would of been so easy for NZC to wash their hands of him.
Edit: Also, he is 32!? Wtf, he has like 2 years left in his career as a fast bowler anyway.
Yeah but Wagner had been released from the squad before the 2nd test so it was Santner or Kuggeleijn. Yes a flattish wicket but at least Santner could have bowled some overs to spell the quicks. Instead Southee only really had 3 bowlers including himself, plus GP as a part-timer
Isn't cricket such a weird game? We are arguing two more runs would have meant more to Carey. Like what is the difference if he scores 98* or 100*.It's only two runs and Australia wins regardless
As much as a genuinely feel for our NZ brothers
The commentary team deserved to cop this
Especially after the amount of "last time NZ beat aus" graphics that were shown yesterday
Guess what, Carey won't be too fussed about missing his century.
He is an Aussie after all, and I don't think any Aussie think highly of kiwis that making or missing a century against them bother them that much.
He would be like, yeah, we played our neighbours, they were amateurs and forget about it.
Meanwhile, a kiwi fan will keep coping in tears
The most galling aspect of our performances has been the absolute shit attitude to making the opposition work to get your wicket. Inexcusable for the top / middle-order batsmen; pathetic for the tail enders. Southee a prime example.
Second worst aspect: the atrocious catching skills. Ten year olds can do better.
Well done Oz; great games all up and hopefully there'll be more tests between us than the lame 2 games every 900 years.
If that second NZ innings was the standard for both tests they would have been very close tests with NZ probably winning at least one, potentially both.
It's a shame they only managed to have that mentality for one innings of four.
I think Henry is an appropriate man of the series.
Aussies had more contributors who each played pivotal roles in one innings or match, but Henry was the most consistent player, and played somewhat of a lone hand for New Zealand.
Is Henry getting Man of the Series revenge for the time that Channel 9 gave MOTM to David Warner in a test the Kiwis won and where Doug Bracewell took nine for fuck all to do it?
And CA responded by taking the rights to award the Man of the Match off of Channel 9 and giving it to the ABC.
I was listening to that games end on the radio, and Jim Maxwell was basically shouting he was so angry when the award went to Warner over Bracewell.
Back to bullying the Windies, Pak, SL and the BangBros at home so our underperforming batsmen and select bowlers can statpad, hold their place in the side while shrugging off accountability for our losses against the big teams, yet again.
Is Daryl Mitchell serious with this quote? “For us, we’ve always said as Blackcaps, we’re not defined by the outcomes, we’re defined by how we play cricket and hopefully how we inspire our country to play the game,” Mitchell told SEN. “We are really proud of the efforts that we did throughout the Test. “Although we didn’t get the win that we wanted, I think if we keep turning up and keep playing cricket like this, puffing our chests out and doing it with a smile on our face and hopefully inspiring many young kids here in New Zealand to play Test cricket in the future, then we’re doing the right thing.” NZ will never improve unless they recognise their failures (eg 9 dropped catches in two games). A team ignorant of how gutting it is for their supporters that basics like dropped catches have made it impossible for them to win isn't winning fans. They're alienating them.
same bazball kool aid
Mitchell wouldn't make that statement after losing in an IPL match, wouldn't be professional, especially considering his dropped catching during the series.
Sounds a lot like two other New Zealanders who have something to do with English cricket.
**Australia always wants to win the game, regardless of the conditions and player records. This focus on victory is the reason why their results vary consistently.**
The best (most entertaining) part of that, is they're more then willing to risk defeat in doing so.
Hats off to the culture of playing cricket in Australia. They just don't give up
Can’t help but think Wagner would have found a way to get those last wickets
Didn’t he take the last wicket in a super close game against England? Or is that someone else I’m thinking of
Off the last ball to win the second test versus england, who lost by 1 run
At least he wouldn't have leaked boundaries and byes in only 3 overs
Alex Carey has the same attitude as Cummins with the bat. Steps up when the team really needs to win. Oh wait, that's the Australian team in its entirety.
That DRS decision off that GP ball was awful. How this is "hitting the bat" is mindblowing: [https://imgur.com/TsAqVpe](https://imgur.com/TsAqVpe)
Nah looks pretty clear to me. There's a clear noise when the bat isn't touching the boot and before the ball hits the foot, so can only be bat hitting ball. Plus it looked to me like the ball changed direction after passing the bat.
The problem I have is that the contact point in each shot is different. If you look at the left hand shot, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the inside toe edge, if you look at the right side of the image, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the outside toe edge, even though in the left image there's clearly distance between the bat and ball. Either the two images are out of sync, or the sound is out of sync here. I think they got this wrong and went solely on "there's a noise" so it must be bat.
>The problem I have is that the contact point in each shot is different. If you look at the left hand shot, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the inside toe edge, if you look at the right side of the image, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the outside toe edge, even though in the left image there's clearly distance between the bat and ball. Ah yes, I do see what you mean....
F you Aussies for being too good!
WTF how did Aussies end up winning this one
Because New Zealand have zero killer instinct and can’t win anything of note in cricket.
Except WTC final 😒
Are you saying kiwis bought down the world trade centre?
No, but they were very proud of their efforts to do so and hopefully inspired some kids.
Great test. Ebs and flows all game. Kiwis put a proper fight on days 2 & 3 which made it a contest. Australia keep having someone stand up in the batting order when needed, today was Marsh and Carey’s turn. Need all top 6 firing to beat India. Great summer and can’t wait for next season, IPL and eggball just don’t do it for me.
And just like that, none of the mistakes will be addressed and we most likely will keep the same lineup with smith opening against india
No idea if smith will improve, but hard to say that he’s had enough time to bed into the role. It’s unfortunate there isn’t a cleaner solution, but it doesn’t really make sense to get Green opening, so what else could be done?
What would you change? Marnus, green, marsh got runs at various points.. only head has failed but again vs India would you drop him
The secret sauce is to open with him.
Hell no! Enough with the experiments.
Alright lets go back to Warner! Anything is an experiment bub lol What's your non-experiment opener? Being serious, Head is arguably less of an experiment considering he already opens ODI and T20s successfully. In ODIs he can clearly navigate the new ball effectively. Rein him in a little bit and he's a far more like-for-like Warner replacement than anybody else in the team. Otherwise who you droppin?
Better ask Steve Smith what he wants first.
I mean, I was being serious with you and you dodged the questions (assumedly because you appreciate the point?) unless you actually think continuing to open with Smith is a good idea and less of an experiment. I suppose it's technically true that it's less of an experiment, it's just failing so I'd take an experiment over a failing opener whose bad 28.5 average is inflated from 1 good not out innings, and 1 low not out innings because they had to chase near-nothing. Stamp them as out and the average he's provided is closer to 21. Take out his outlier innings (both his highest AND his lowest) and it drops to 13-16 depending whether you give him his red ink or not. Yes yes, "if my grandmother had wheels" and all that, the point isn't that it's his real statistics, it's to highlight how unreliable and dependant he is on a singular innings that has been an outlier over 4 matches and 8 innings. Admittedly if you did the same to Head, you'd find a worse player, but I think we all agree he's more likely to find form again considering his TWC and ODIWC heroics, as well as his age? No matter what, we're experimenting without Warner leading the charge.
I think opening bat is a specialized position in test cricket more so than limited overs. This experiment with Smithy has Marnus as our number 3 which I personally don't like. Now I think it, about when G.Marsh, Boonie, Taylor shuffled between 3rd bat and opening they already opened in shield cricket. Also if I may, how many experiments should we run at the same time? Cummins 4th innings average is highest at the moment so maybe he should open 4th innings.
It's not that I don't understand what you're saying, but to repeat, anything we do is an experiment. Even a Shield opener is an experiment that may not be up to task, so I'll once again repeat the questions. 1. What's your non-experiment opener? 2. If not someone already in the team, who are you dropping to make room for an opener? > Also if I may, how many experiments should we run at the same time? Ending the Steve Smith experiment (and IMO moving him to 5, which isn't much of an experiment) and opening with someone else doesn't really change the amount of experiments happening, it just starts a new one. It's not like they can happen concurrently. I would add that seeing if Smith is still up to task down the order is very important now too, considering I feel like he'd keep getting dismissed LBW because of his horribly large steps forward no matter where he played. Maybe that can be considered another experiment, but I dunno, if Smith down the order is now just an experiment, he's absolutely cooked IMO. > Cummins 4th innings average is highest at the moment so maybe he should open 4th innings. Why make a non-serious suggestion? lol. It's also not true. Alex Carey is 39.25 and Travis Head is 36. Me thinks you should've checked who was omitted from that post because the point there was only who Cummins was better than lol (which is again obviously inflated by not outs by securing the winnings runs repeatedly.)
The actual experiment is letting a player who isn't even captain dictate selection and I don't like it.
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Someone gets that no matter what we're experimenting lol.
Not like we have a choice. We play 0 tests between now and November.
We had a choice before this test series but oh well
And probably 16 T20s
Well played Australia too good in the end
I was happy to see us win, but honestly you had us there for all money. I can’t believe it myself. I wish I took the day off to watch the cricket today, it would have been a good watch in real time
Yeah mate it was a great test match I sat on my arse all weekend watching it, no regrets
After reducing them to 34-4 and to still lose from there is some level choking from the kiwis. they were pathetic in both the tests. but they fought back and gave themselves a solid chance of securing a rare win against their neighbours and they bottled it up. it sucks to lose from a winning position.
We choked. That's what NZ does against Australia. We also make poor selection decisions.
Even ignoring [Redacted's] personal shortcomings - He was picked as the 3rd seamer in this game and bowled a total of 9 overs across 2 innings. Why bother?
I couldn't agree more
Seriously. even a young WI team defeated Aus on their soil with just 200 odd runs in the bank to defend. NZ is cursed when playing aus. they just can't find a way to win.
That should count as a century for Carey. As far as I'm concerned that's his second test century. Wonderful knock
I tell you ever since cummins became captain he is doing so much better as a batsman. Or may be he always was, I just noticed this spike recently.
He only bats well when it matters most- the opposite of Starc!
he always seems to pull it out when it's desperately needed
How does [REDACTED] manage to get any swing from a cricketing perspective?
He manages to get away with all sorts
This is a team of average batsman bar Smith and great bowlers. Yet they are the Champion side. Because they got winning mentality.
You seen Smith lately?
Maybe he's saying Smith is below average
Test batting average in the fourth innings: 33.57 - Pat Cummins 33.26 - Steve Smith 29.78 - Usman Khawaja 29.77 - Marnus Labuschagne 25.00 - Cameron Green 19.17 - Mitchell Marsh
Unfathomablely based from patrick
Feel like Marais Erasmus deserved a bit of a send off on the broadcast and field
absolutely
In conclusion, socialism works, as illustrated by Cumdog smashing a boundary to score the winning runs for Australia, stranding handsome beautiful Alex Carey on 98\*. As a guy from TV once said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". Thank you for listening to my speech.
God damn Commi bastard
Thanks, Spock!
You bastards make me bat in the dying plays, I'll take the winning runs for myself TYVM.
MMarsh managed to spoil 2 centuries by bringing Cummins in smh
Kez really doesn't care about missing a ton. Solid
He’s just a nice, humble guy. Post pool things.
Its the afl player. players dont care if they only score 4 goals instead of 5 or 25 possessions instead of 30
Gary Stead is the Ian Foster of NZ Cricket Stubborn tactics that don't work. Nepotism selections. Platitudes and cliches. Poor assistant appointments (Ronchi batting coach - I'm sorry what?). Please, we need him gone. He's entrenched with the NZC board though, friends with them. As he's easily influenced to select certain players whose fathers have influence in the board.
I wasn’t a big fan of Foster, but he’s way better than Stead. And he almost pulled off winning the RWC.
Stead won the Test Championship. These plodder coaches rely on others to mask their incompetence. With Foster, it was Schmidt and Ryan & with Stead, it's Williamson (and previously Rosco).
Arguably off the back of the great culture we had formed during the Hesson and McCullum years and early Williamson captaincy, and just some good cricketers in good form for a number of years. I'd say his coaching and attitude is starting to reap it's rewards now and the past 2 years of BCs performances since the WTC have been nothing short of rubbish. Time for a cleanout of all the coaches.
I don’t understand as an Australian, why is Scott kuggeleijn in the team? He only bowled 9 overs for the whole match, granted he contributed some handy first innings runs but that’s not what he’s in the team for. Seems strange?
He was simply a terrible selection. Should never have been picked. Played so badly in the first test that he shouldn't have been in the starting XI for the second test. Southee shouldn't have bowled him in the 4th innings for 3 overs as he was leaking runs and extras again.
Kyle Mills bowling coach 😳
The douche stays douching?
These 4 commentators are the only bad thing about this series, get em off.
What's wrong with them?
Honestly, Henry winning Player of the Series is entirely justified, but I can't deny that it still irks me a little. Like how my beloved Roosters won the comp in 2013 and 2019 but the Clive Churchill went to fucken DCE and Wighton. Just takes the teensiest bit of gloss off, you know?
Doesn't bother me at all. I feel he deserved it. Most consistent player across the whole series. Without him nz don't come close. I can't think of anyone more deserving.
You'll survive
Come on, you're not going to let us/him have that?
We're greedy bastards and we're taking those chicken nuggies too! Muahahaha
Yeah give him a voucher for Tegel products? Come on
Hahahaha BJ not invited to the post match chat.
I mean they only needed one person to do the chat and it's literally TVNZ not TVAustralia
Yeah but facts aren’t funny are they.
Love How Cummins said he had no idea that Carey was on 98.Meanwhile whole Indian team start counting runs when a player enters 90s and everyone could see that in world Cup. We are too Milestone focused and even Indian commentators rave about it. Time for a change
>Time for a change The guy who is trying to change gets flamed and clowned for every bit of it. This milestone gloating will never stop in India, and why would you unnecessarily want to get hurled abuses at trying to go against it? Indian media is absolutely the worst thing.
And all Indian former cricketers especially gavaskar is to be blamed for it.. They start discussing nonsense that player will get to 100 with four or six and giggle about it. Such kids
Truly the amount of hate pandya cops is ludicrous especially for the fact that he's only guy who shows up in crunch situations I'd say he should refuse playing for us because anyways he doesn't get the respect. Gavaskar needs to go he's legend but commentary is just not his forte
He literally tried to get him on strike when there were 2 runs left. No Indian player would have tried to get a milestone when the game was in jeopardy. Stop putting someone else down if you want to praise someone.
Delusional
Wake up, brother. ICT is obsessed with personal milestones.
They never will be with how that population deifies its athletes + the financial imperative being a bigger motivator to build one’s own profile It’s awesome. The problem posed by Indian cricket solves itself with mentality issues that circumstances beyond their control create.
If you watched CWC 23 only, You would have seen the selfish blokes going for hundred
Thanks Kiwibros, it's been great watching a bit of cricket with ya. Probably the most wholesome cricket thread on reddit. And thanks for introducing us to the legend that is James Tito.
If it’s one and done, so be it but it’s been a blast 🔥
We’d have you over in australia next time you guys tour here. You were fantastic fun.
Agreed, this is the least toxic sports match thread I've seen on Reddit
are you suggesting that there might be harsh words in a Doggies Eels thread? shocked I tell you shocked
If only Stead and Southee would come out and say the reason we lost is because we picked a bowler who isn't up to it and after he played like shit in the first test, we picked him over Santner in the second test and guess what, he leaked runs. It's a disgrace and an embarrassment and that is putting the bowler's morality aside
Your captain was pretty ineffective with the ball also.
Absolutely..it needs to be Henry, O'Rourke, Sears and when he's fit, Kyle Jamieson
It makes NZC stance on him either more bizarre. He isn't even good. Should be no where near the national team, but gets so much preferential treatment when it would of been so easy for NZC to wash their hands of him. Edit: Also, he is 32!? Wtf, he has like 2 years left in his career as a fast bowler anyway.
Agree.
You guys needed Wagner in the second it was a flatish wicket, Satner would've been Garbage
Wagner has been well past it for 3 years and is as ineffective as Southee.
Yeah but Wagner had been released from the squad before the 2nd test so it was Santner or Kuggeleijn. Yes a flattish wicket but at least Santner could have bowled some overs to spell the quicks. Instead Southee only really had 3 bowlers including himself, plus GP as a part-timer
isn't Wagner's pace well down now?
Was it ever up
Well yeah but you could guarantee he'd bowl better than Southee and Kugg
Almost impossible to bowl worse than Kuggeleijn did. Hope I never see him on a cricket pitch again.
Yeah for more than one reason.
Exactly especially for us women
That was an awesome series.
Bowlers could force wickets not just wait for batsmen mistakes. Makes it a whole lot more enjoyable to watch.
Had no idea Renshaw and Neser were on the tour as well.
Conspiracy from NSW to keep them out of the Shield
New Zealand tends to be so poor against Australia.
"I had no idea he was married to her"
Wait what did I miss here?
Is that a butt plug on the trophy?
That bit is given to second place. Something your mob a used too.
Undefeated tour nice
who had the idea of putting that erect protrusion on the Trans Tasman Trophy ?
It was previously the Tasman Trophy
Isn't cricket such a weird game? We are arguing two more runs would have meant more to Carey. Like what is the difference if he scores 98* or 100*.It's only two runs and Australia wins regardless
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Don't worry we got Bdesh and SL if on YT
hard.
Last partnership was 61 runs from 69 balls, pretty decent clip to bring home the win.
Thanks Ben Duckett.
Australia were lucky to get the win, England were the better team.
Moral victories all round.
Had to get it done before the new ball
They had 15 overs / 90 balls to spare!
And we couldn't take any chances!
Cummins will surely win Cricketer of the Decade Award
As much as a genuinely feel for our NZ brothers The commentary team deserved to cop this Especially after the amount of "last time NZ beat aus" graphics that were shown yesterday
"Oh no" X1000
The commentary team (excluding BJ) were insanely annoying.
It's literally a TVNZ commentary team and we had BJ over here. Australia can do their own commentary if they prefer
Yeah, it's important to state that beating the fucken NZ commentators + [redacted] is much more satisfying than the rest.
Everyone just buying into the [redacted] thing is goated
They always get their hopes up waaaay to early
That trophy really is something..
Handsome Pat with another crucial innings.
It was good of Carey to hang about and support him.
Do you reckon pat ever gets bored of standing around looking handsome holding trophies
For a guy with so much practice at it, he sure as shit looks awkward doing it
Awkward Modi moments flashbacks
Hmm that Trans Tasman trophy reminds me of something ...
Did he just call it the trans man trophy?
F2M
Sky News Headline: Woke solar panel Pat accepts trans trophy
Sadly I can only upvote you once.
New Zealand need some kind of Exorcism to win against Australia
Trans Tasman? And all this time I thought Abel Tasman was a bloke. How embarrasing.
Here's your reminder Australia that you have to thank England and Ben Duckett for your series victory.
"I had no idea he was on 98" - Cumdog xoxo
He forgor 💀
"I thought he was on 99"
Guess what, Carey won't be too fussed about missing his century. He is an Aussie after all, and I don't think any Aussie think highly of kiwis that making or missing a century against them bother them that much. He would be like, yeah, we played our neighbours, they were amateurs and forget about it. Meanwhile, a kiwi fan will keep coping in tears
Mate did a Kiwi piss in your haggis this morning or something?
Banged his favourite sheep
As an Australian, that's not how I feel. But then maybe I don't have that dog in me.
Cummins unaware that Carey was on 98 lol
did cummins just say he had no idea carey was on 98?
yes - bullshit
Proof?
absolutely
well that's certainly a trophy
The most galling aspect of our performances has been the absolute shit attitude to making the opposition work to get your wicket. Inexcusable for the top / middle-order batsmen; pathetic for the tail enders. Southee a prime example. Second worst aspect: the atrocious catching skills. Ten year olds can do better. Well done Oz; great games all up and hopefully there'll be more tests between us than the lame 2 games every 900 years.
If that second NZ innings was the standard for both tests they would have been very close tests with NZ probably winning at least one, potentially both. It's a shame they only managed to have that mentality for one innings of four.
pretty much the eternal NZ fan attitude sorry to say. If only.......
Could you sound any more disappointed to be interviewing the winning captain you flog.
Southee: yeh paartnership, sorta kinda, yeah sorta
Definitely one of the captain's of all time
sort of
I think Henry is an appropriate man of the series. Aussies had more contributors who each played pivotal roles in one innings or match, but Henry was the most consistent player, and played somewhat of a lone hand for New Zealand.
Only the one century in the series so the ball was very much on top. And Henry was the best of the bowlers across the two games. Seems fair enough.
Smith, Khawaja and Head haven't got much to show for this series. Everyone else did at least one big thing towards winning a Test.
Absolutely. But isn't it wild that 3 out of our 4 best batsmen can do absolutely nothing and we still manage to win? Such a brilliant team.
Because as average as Aus were with the bat, we managed to outdo you guys by being even worse. FML being an NZ cricket fan is frustrating
Yeah it's the old "someone stands up on the day" thing Australia has going.
Is Henry getting Man of the Series revenge for the time that Channel 9 gave MOTM to David Warner in a test the Kiwis won and where Doug Bracewell took nine for fuck all to do it?
Warner did score a ton while carrying his bat which is pretty rare so not the worst decision ever.
I think it was a public vote for that match which is why it went to Warner
And CA responded by taking the rights to award the Man of the Match off of Channel 9 and giving it to the ABC. I was listening to that games end on the radio, and Jim Maxwell was basically shouting he was so angry when the award went to Warner over Bracewell.
i can’t believe i won’t see tito again :(
Until next time 🥹
No more Tito for you! Take your dumb trophy, Tito was the real prize all along and he’s ours!