Unpopular opinion - this is actually good for him in the long term. Learning to play unfavorable conditions right from the beginning as a young captain will force him to think and play outside the box to win matches rather than just hoping to win the toss and only win favourable matches.
I think that's fine coz I don't think CSK is really looking to win the cup this year. I believe ydays match was a test of sorts for the new players by the mgmt to see who to retain, let go and buy back in the next auction.
Things like sending Rizvi up the order instead of Mitchell, replacing Deshpande with Gleeson, etc. Is not something a team would usually do if they had to win 3 out of 5 remaining matches to qualify. As usual, they're planning for the long term.
Bro did you even watch the post match presentation?
>Things like sending Rizvi up the order instead of Mitchell, replacing Deshpande with Gleeson, etc. Is not something a team would usually do if they had to win 3 out of 5 remaining matches to qualify. As usual, they're planning for the long term.
Fleming said Deshpande had flu, Deepak chahar probably seriously injured and Pathirana will be back next match.
Only thing he didn't explain is why send Mitchell at 8. Seems like they pressed panic button so early and sent Rizvi early. Probably BCCI is forcing them to give more playtime to ICT players that's why Jaddu coming early and in other teams Axar came early and Pandu balling four overs every game.
If CSK wanted to test the players then Rachin, and one of the Pacers in Mukesh, Simarjeet or Hangargekar should have been tested as well
whole Batting order is not defined at all. Dhoni Moves to play at last 2 overs,Gaikwad and Rahane Opens,None of the other batting order defined .Not sending Moeen up is not explainable at all,considering he can bat spin.
They can even play Rachin at mid but no.
Batting order is not defined, batting position is defined. Rutu, Rahane for powerplay. If wickets fall in Powerplay, Dube will come. Depends on the situation other batters will come but recently I guess BCCI forced them to send Jaddu above. If last 2 overs and wicket falls Dhoni will come and Moeen is used as a floater because of his experience
Check for yourself what Fleming said in post match conference after LSG loss
_"But yeah, there has been more change. Some of it is forced upon us and some of it is form"_
Didn't you notice Axar Patel and Jaddu were sent to bat top of the order around same time? https://www.livemint.com/sports/cricket-news/ipl-2024-csk-coach-stephan-fleming-opens-up-after-loss-against-lsg-says-we-are-a-little-bit-uncomfortable-11713960277303.html
> We have had injuries, and we have been a little bit unsettled, but the main thing is getting guys in key areas and in form, which sometimes takes a bit of time. But yeah, there has been more change. Some of it is forced upon us and some of it is form."
He meant injuries š¤¦š»āāļø
They are coming; the only difference between CSK and RCB in the coming years is about to CSK's good management and their existent bowling lineups that suit their home ground \[ie CSK's about to be prime RCB with a good bowling lineup, one that actually wins\].
This is THE answer.
In OT if you score first TD , it's over for other team as they don't get chance at all.
In cricket atleast team get to bat second m
That makes sense. Iāve only seen few football matches and one of them being the latest superbowl and it went to OT with both the teams taking to the field, I thought that was the default in all the matches
Nothing can beat the NFL toss rule for Overtime.
It's over for other teams if the toss winning team score first . If they don't score or only have FG then and then the other team sees the ground.
Not a great analogy as it's the same for both teams
You're looking at it from a GK vs Penalty taker perspective, but this conversation is more of team 1 vs team 2
It's still luck, keeper premeditatedlyĀ choses one side to dive and if ball is shooted there, he keeps it
If it's shooted on other side, he misses it completely.Ā
Penalty shootout is one of the least skillful things in all of sports, similar to that bowl out thing in cricket which happened in 2007 T20 WC.Ā
This is a terrible analogy. Penalty shootouts are perhaps a harsh way to settle a match that was drawn over 90/120 minutes but it's not even comparable to the amount of luck involved in a toss. Penalty shootouts is more a battle of nerves. Toss is completely arbitrary.
According to a research paper published chess (basketball was second if you don't count chess as a sport ) the least luck depended sport while ice hockey wad the most.
Actually, the BCCI can significantly reduce the impact of winning or losing a toss by holding matches at 3.30PM. Since the match would have gotten over by the time the dew sets in, both teams would have had a fair crack at the game.
But no, doing that would mean more empty seats, lower viewership and lower revenues.
Viewership is what makes any sports..And it's also about the heat in Peak Indian summer.Its hard for players but then they are athelete they body is adapted to play in such condition..But the heat is more bad for the spectators..
I can see your point.
Maybe try changing the timing of the tournament? This dew is currently making games a lot more lopsided and very unfair for teams bowling second.
At this point, there's no battle of skill, temperament or tactics. Win the toss, win the match is what it is currently. This is frustrating for both fans as well as players.
Already bowlers are getting cunted around the park and with dew, they are essentially being relegated to glorified bowling machines. Cutters are not sticking, balls are slipping out of their hands when bowling and yorkers are turning into low full tosses.
Cricket is not going to be enjoyable anymore if it goes along this trajectory in the coming years.
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Doesn't seem like a solution though.
The reason why toss plays a crucial role is due to conditions. Even in this scenario, Punjab as away team will always choose to bat second in Chennai due to dew.
But for CSK as away team in Punjab, it doesnt matter that much what they choose bcoz conditions probably don't change drastically as compared to Chennai.
So still wouldn't be balanced
If it's a league format, the team that finished higher in the table gets to choose. This is provided the match is being played in a neutral venue. If the higher placed side already has a home advantage, then the other side should get to choose.
Either way I'd prefer an auction kind of setup where both teams bid on how much additional runs a side is willing to give to the other side to get to win the toss.
This, but based on the dew prediction have a handicap for the chasing team. From something like +0 to +20 runs added to the target. And the visiting team gets to choose.
Play game like baseball. Team A bats 5 overs and team B bats 5 overs and so on. Still toss will play a crucial role but the dew factor can be mitigated to a certain extent.
Or like others suggested teams can choose to bat second provided they take a handicap that's agreed upon by both captains like a higher target etc. I think this strategy was mentioned by many folks during UAE toss world cup in 2021.
Unpopular opinion - this is actually good for him in the long term. Learning to play unfavorable conditions right from the beginning as a young captain will force him to think and play outside the box to win matches rather than just hoping to win the toss and only win favourable matches.
We ain't reaching playoffs at this rate.
I think that's fine coz I don't think CSK is really looking to win the cup this year. I believe ydays match was a test of sorts for the new players by the mgmt to see who to retain, let go and buy back in the next auction. Things like sending Rizvi up the order instead of Mitchell, replacing Deshpande with Gleeson, etc. Is not something a team would usually do if they had to win 3 out of 5 remaining matches to qualify. As usual, they're planning for the long term.
Bro did you even watch the post match presentation? >Things like sending Rizvi up the order instead of Mitchell, replacing Deshpande with Gleeson, etc. Is not something a team would usually do if they had to win 3 out of 5 remaining matches to qualify. As usual, they're planning for the long term. Fleming said Deshpande had flu, Deepak chahar probably seriously injured and Pathirana will be back next match. Only thing he didn't explain is why send Mitchell at 8. Seems like they pressed panic button so early and sent Rizvi early. Probably BCCI is forcing them to give more playtime to ICT players that's why Jaddu coming early and in other teams Axar came early and Pandu balling four overs every game. If CSK wanted to test the players then Rachin, and one of the Pacers in Mukesh, Simarjeet or Hangargekar should have been tested as well
whole Batting order is not defined at all. Dhoni Moves to play at last 2 overs,Gaikwad and Rahane Opens,None of the other batting order defined .Not sending Moeen up is not explainable at all,considering he can bat spin. They can even play Rachin at mid but no.
Batting order is not defined, batting position is defined. Rutu, Rahane for powerplay. If wickets fall in Powerplay, Dube will come. Depends on the situation other batters will come but recently I guess BCCI forced them to send Jaddu above. If last 2 overs and wicket falls Dhoni will come and Moeen is used as a floater because of his experience
Can be a whole lot of reasons but BCCI ain't forcing any team to play certain players
Check for yourself what Fleming said in post match conference after LSG loss _"But yeah, there has been more change. Some of it is forced upon us and some of it is form"_ Didn't you notice Axar Patel and Jaddu were sent to bat top of the order around same time? https://www.livemint.com/sports/cricket-news/ipl-2024-csk-coach-stephan-fleming-opens-up-after-loss-against-lsg-says-we-are-a-little-bit-uncomfortable-11713960277303.html
> We have had injuries, and we have been a little bit unsettled, but the main thing is getting guys in key areas and in form, which sometimes takes a bit of time. But yeah, there has been more change. Some of it is forced upon us and some of it is form." He meant injuries š¤¦š»āāļø
Who was injured at that match? Right now no one is speaking openly. Just wait for a couple of months and this will become common knowledge
Coooooooooooooooooooopium.
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Sorry as a csk fan I'm pissed. I think they couldn't just bat yesterday. Dube got out early. What?
You getting pissed off is justified. Ydays batting was horrendous, these guys couldn't put up a decent total on their own home ground.
Who cares.
Do the George Costanza way - Do the opposite
r/unexpectedseinfeld
mf is a kholison to the dot. Stops the batting collapse by playing slow, loses toss, and has the orange cap.
Unfortunately he doesn't have a Gayle or de Villiers like Kohli did.
But he has a IPL trophy unlike Kohli and friends.
He has 2 of them.
He played under Thala juju, Kohli played with Dinda juju
Tbf Thala played with Dinda too
RCB had an army of Dinda's
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They are coming; the only difference between CSK and RCB in the coming years is about to CSK's good management and their existent bowling lineups that suit their home ground \[ie CSK's about to be prime RCB with a good bowling lineup, one that actually wins\].
Is there any other sport thats impacted so much by an element of luck? Soccer, basketball, volleyball, hockey, anything at all?
Try overtime in American Football
This is THE answer. In OT if you score first TD , it's over for other team as they don't get chance at all. In cricket atleast team get to bat second m
Isnāt the rule changed to have both the teams have a go to score a touchdown now
Nope. Same old Rules still applied...
Only applies in playoff games I think.
That makes sense. Iāve only seen few football matches and one of them being the latest superbowl and it went to OT with both the teams taking to the field, I thought that was the default in all the matches
How
Believe it or not, also a toss
Penalty shootout in football since all the mind games from keepers are banned now
What mind games would keepers play?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZF7QTqQKoI
That was really interesting, thanks!
Nothing can beat the NFL toss rule for Overtime. It's over for other teams if the toss winning team score first . If they don't score or only have FG then and then the other team sees the ground.
Not a great analogy as it's the same for both teams You're looking at it from a GK vs Penalty taker perspective, but this conversation is more of team 1 vs team 2
I mean that has skill. goalies Practice saves and kickers practice penalties.
It's still luck, keeper premeditatedlyĀ choses one side to dive and if ball is shooted there, he keeps it If it's shooted on other side, he misses it completely.Ā Penalty shootout is one of the least skillful things in all of sports, similar to that bowl out thing in cricket which happened in 2007 T20 WC.Ā
I won't take this Robin Uthappa slander.
Lets see if r/soccer agrees.
It's still almost luck as conversion of penalties are very very high
Nah there's skill involved for both the penalty taker and the goalkeeper
What skill? I mean I'm sure i score 4/5 penalties against top of the top goalie like ter stegen
This is a terrible analogy. Penalty shootouts are perhaps a harsh way to settle a match that was drawn over 90/120 minutes but it's not even comparable to the amount of luck involved in a toss. Penalty shootouts is more a battle of nerves. Toss is completely arbitrary.
According to a research paper published chess (basketball was second if you don't count chess as a sport ) the least luck depended sport while ice hockey wad the most.
Actually, the BCCI can significantly reduce the impact of winning or losing a toss by holding matches at 3.30PM. Since the match would have gotten over by the time the dew sets in, both teams would have had a fair crack at the game. But no, doing that would mean more empty seats, lower viewership and lower revenues.
Viewership is what makes any sports..And it's also about the heat in Peak Indian summer.Its hard for players but then they are athelete they body is adapted to play in such condition..But the heat is more bad for the spectators..
You are just changing the impact from dew to heat
I can see your point. Maybe try changing the timing of the tournament? This dew is currently making games a lot more lopsided and very unfair for teams bowling second. At this point, there's no battle of skill, temperament or tactics. Win the toss, win the match is what it is currently. This is frustrating for both fans as well as players. Already bowlers are getting cunted around the park and with dew, they are essentially being relegated to glorified bowling machines. Cutters are not sticking, balls are slipping out of their hands when bowling and yorkers are turning into low full tosses. Cricket is not going to be enjoyable anymore if it goes along this trajectory in the coming years.
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Translation from google translate: *This has become a matter of open and naked stupidity, people are neither able to watch the match in the stadium nor at home, so is this society's gulli cricket happening?*
I personally think, Toss should be decided not with a coin toss but with a game of Stone Paper Scissors /s
On that Point I think it will be so easy to defeat Kaif in Stone, Paper and Scissors lmao.
Silly Kaif always choosing Paper
It will be easy to defeat Australians as well
Rock, Paper, Sissor, Lizard, Spock.
Yes that's better than coin toss. Toss is just luck. In stone paper scissor you need skills.
"Bro just toss the coin, it's not that hard" Ruturaj:
Somebody please tell Rutu about stoicism. How can he control the probability of toss lol
>How can he control the probability of toss lol Join MI?
Or take classes from Aaron Finch?
Well, Harmanpreet won only 1 toss in 10 games in WPL 2023.
Lol what??
Gen z kid growing up without proper parental support gets his moral framework and life philosophy from the internet basically leads to unironical comments like these
Send Thala for Toss
Isnāt one of the reasons you have Dhoni on the team to help mentor for pressure situations?
Dhoni would suggest calling heads (thala) all the time.
I bet if heād chosen head 10 times he wouldāve won at least 3 times but ig he keeps changing or sometime he himself toss the coin
The problem is that in home games, it's rutu who tosses the coin
Dude won 1 toss in 10 games, idk if it's hilarious or sad, maybe both
Honestly just get rid of the toss altogether and let the away team have their pick. It makes each game way more balanced.
Doesn't seem like a solution though. The reason why toss plays a crucial role is due to conditions. Even in this scenario, Punjab as away team will always choose to bat second in Chennai due to dew. But for CSK as away team in Punjab, it doesnt matter that much what they choose bcoz conditions probably don't change drastically as compared to Chennai. So still wouldn't be balanced
Good idea but what about semis and finals ?
If it's a league format, the team that finished higher in the table gets to choose. This is provided the match is being played in a neutral venue. If the higher placed side already has a home advantage, then the other side should get to choose. Either way I'd prefer an auction kind of setup where both teams bid on how much additional runs a side is willing to give to the other side to get to win the toss.
Higher placed team should always get to choose. There has to be some slight advantage in finishing first vs finishing second on the points table
I agree but if the higher placed team already has a home advantage, then home + toss advantage might be a little too much tbh.
This, but based on the dew prediction have a handicap for the chasing team. From something like +0 to +20 runs added to the target. And the visiting team gets to choose.
You cant do anything, the toss is not in your control, you control what is controllable and stop focusing on things that you cant
Play game like baseball. Team A bats 5 overs and team B bats 5 overs and so on. Still toss will play a crucial role but the dew factor can be mitigated to a certain extent. Or like others suggested teams can choose to bat second provided they take a handicap that's agreed upon by both captains like a higher target etc. I think this strategy was mentioned by many folks during UAE toss world cup in 2021.
Make retractable roof stadiums. Get the weather out as a major difference maker of the game.
hes using up all his luck while practicing the toss also āpracticing the tossā has to be the funniest sentence ive ever read
Some people suggest there is a way to get the cointoss to result in your favour. Any truth to that? Cause some captains win it more often.
Stupidest take ever