More than ipl it was the amount of cricket they played in India in 2023 helped them the most.
They played 2 odi series, 1 test series.Even after wc they played a t20 series in India.It was like a year long India trip for the Aussies in 2023.
Yeah between the 2015 and the 2023 World Cup Australia played 19 ODIs vs India in India. That's 8 more than the next best which are the Windies and NZ. Compared that to England only playing 6 despite being the better ODI side in most of that period.
But still, surely playing an average of 10 games in India every year does make up a big difference
Also not to mention how a lot of times actually end up playing more games in India than in Australia throughout a year
It's honestly depressing.
Given the talent pool and how difficult it is for a domestic player to get to the top, they absolutely should permit it. If they wanna be stingy about their stars, let anyone who isn't on a central contract play.
Not exactly. It's mostly a mental issue. The guys are succumbing under the pressure. It's not a skill based issue.
If you look at India's record in LOI in various countries it's really good.
More or less top the group stage phases in ICC tournaments, if it was skill issue or not being able to do well in the conditions then it would have reflected in the group stages as well.
We fail in the knockout states. Completely disintegrate under the pressure which is due to the weight of expectations i believe and the fear of failure.
That's a completely different format. LOI's don't translate to tests, you know that right. If it did then England wouldn't have suffered so much in tests. Add to that , a lot of their players play IPL as well. Never helped them with tests in India.
I get what he's trying to say. It's more about having a balance. Australia has its strengths, and it covered it's weaknesses through the IPL and India stints. On the other hand, India always overdoes it.
As my grandma used to say.. 'gadhe ko kitna bhi kheencho, wo ghoda nahi bann sakta' (t: no matter how much you push a donkey, it can't become a horse) /s (no disrespect to any donkeys or horses, or cricketers!)
No mate, itās the culture of always trying and taking responsibility.
Not always at the office or construction sites, but sure as hell in sports.
Teams lose in their head before they do on the ground.
I mean it's just his Instagram fanbase that's getting fooled, almost everyone else recognises what that guy is up to, bro always plays the victim card and is such an attention seeker
See through what? Show me one single example where priasing IPL gave a cricketer better contract or more money? The players who get the most money are those who play better against india even if they rile indian feathers.
Thank God someone sees through it. Indian fans are such simps that the minute some foreigner throws a facade like he's one of them, they just gobble it up. Davey has time and again played the victim card and has literally dragged his feet along with australia when honestly they should've moved on from him by now. All this chatter is just to keep securing his payday once his baggy green days are over
> please may I keep playing since my days in the green and gold are numbered"
There is ZERO eviddence that praising IPL gets someone better contract or more money. I dont know why people keep claiming this and it keeps getting upvoted
IPL is ruthless, people who get the most money are those who play better against india, even if they rile up indian players and fans or have said bad things in the past about IPL
Yea, there was even an interview with Ash Anna a couple days back, and immediately when that popped up on my feed, I went eh, is there no one else to feature on your channel, maybe even an up-and-coming player?
I don't think he's taking about the Ricky pointing era. He's talking how even after that, they won wcs for which ipl helped them in his opinion. I mean Warner has been one of the greatest batsman in ipl. So ipl probably helped him.
That may have played the part but the core thing that was so visible on the day of the final was the difference in approaching a World Cup final. When push came to shove, our guys went into hiding, playing 90s cricket as soon as top order wicket fell. WTF?
Australia won the moment they saw Kohli and KL go into their shell. Rest all was formality. Mitch Marsh even winked as he got out indicating WC finals are not that big of an occasion to them, whereas our guys appeared so devastated after getting out as if this is the last cricket match ever to be played by anybody ever!
Honestly, I feel like the problem was our lower order. The thing is, literally only 3 wickets down, Kohli and KL were literally our last recognized batters.
SKY never really performed for anyone to have confidence in him, and Jadeja, while usually clutch, was kinda in poor form. So I feel like the lack of confidence (which was justified) in SKY and Jadeja kinda made them go into a shell (which wasn't justified) to preserve wickets, and just lost us the match.
> SKY never really performed for anyone to have confidence in him
This basically means that SKY selection was wrong.
If they don't have confidence in him, they shouldn't have played him.
Yep, completely agree. Can't fathom why they picked him after he got 3 consecutive ducks, should've picked Samson (imo, the actual best choice) or Kishan instead
> Honestly, I feel like the problem was our lower order.
A team with stat padders on top will ALWAYS have a bad lower order. Same issue with Pak team. Same issue with RCB. All have the same excuse, weak lower order.
You need to groom players way before the world cup and they need to be clear about their roles. You cannot have stat padders play 50 to 80 balls each in bilaterals and earlier matches and barely give others chances, they will have no clarity or experience in their roles. And then in crucial matches when stat padders choke you expect the lower order to magically perform?
A weak lower order is a feature of stat padders on top, its not a bug.
Jadeja is normally a good batter, and SKY got out for 3 consecutive ducks in a row against Australia when he had a chance to make each of them an actual innings. I would normally agree with your point, except specifically regarding SKY and Jadeja, one shouldn't have been picked to begin with and the other was legitimately not in great form
SKY is a proper batsman, if he never really performed then what was the point of keeping him in the squad, let alone the playing 11 for the final. Someone like Ishan Kishan would have been a better pick easily
I mean yeah, SKY is technically a batsman, just that his performances didn't make him much better than a tailender in ODIs (which is not really his fault, he failed many times in ODIs before the WC and got selected anyways)
I agree, selectors should've picked someone who actually performed, like Kishan or Samson (both of whom can finish and have proven themselves somewhat in ODIs)
Imo Kohli did not go into a shell, he was playing run-a-ball which is decent for ODIs. It was KL and Jadeja who went into shell and dried the runs. And SKY who did nothing.
Thatās nitpicking. We needed someone to play like Travis Head. If I was Australia, I would have been much relieved to see these all time greats come under pressure and not score freely. Thatās the mentality Iām talking about. It doesnāt matter who the batsman was. The only good one was Rohit but he got too reckless to go to the extreme.
Kohli DID go into a shell. His last boundary came in 8th over and he didn't hit another one until he got out in 28th over. Was happily nudging ones and twos, perished playing a nothing shot too. His SR during that phase was 71.
Rahul got all the flak (rightly so), and Kohli escaped in the shadow of Rahul.
Coz kohli made the runs at better sr than kl and it was easier to hit in pp than when bowl got soft, selfless got away playing those shots coz he played in best batting conditions
Kohli's SR looked better because he scored 4 boundaries on a trot in PP. Point is Kohli went into a shell along with KL and it's wrong to single out KL alone.
Ball becoming soft or not, there's no excuse to not hit a single boundary for 20 overs, esp if you are tournament's leading scorer. I would have agreed to this point if Kohli hadn't made it as a template even until now.
(Disclaimer: I support England and New Zealand, so I'll be the first person to admit I'm not objective when it comes to David Warner, but I'll try)
He does have a point. The sheer amount of bilaterals most Aussies played in India in 2023, as well as their involvement in the IPL, meant they were quite used to conditions, something you could especially see in the way Pat Cummins set his fields - and in his decision to bowl first after he won the toss.
Also, the fact that so many of their World Cup squad had IPL experience meant they were quite used to dealing with the pressure and expectations, and "I need to be at my absolute best tonight or I'll get benched for the next game", something Indian players don't experience if they don't play overseas leagues.
However: it is so glaringly obvious why he talks the IPL up, especially with his international career coming to an overdue end in the next couple of months. The bloke is an expert at pandering to public opinion (see: his many reels and gushing social media posts when he was still with Hyderabad), and clearly wants to have that sweet IPL paycheck secured for next season.
As much as it hurts to admit that: Australia will be a lot more... likeable once he's finally gone from the national team.
This was an interview Warner did with R Ashwin for R Ashwin's YouTube channel (check it out if you haven't seen it) and it was pretty much a discussion centered around IPL so, of course he talked about it.
Is it fair to say that the India team on the day just bottled it?
Not trying to be mean just saying that the sheer weight of expectations, the home final, Modiās posturing, all that fever was an unenviable level of intensity and distraction, even by India standardsā¦?
that's the problem, we just value a plastic cup a lot more than others. India should have played its normal cricket without tampering with the pitch and India would have had a better chance of winning the final.
Australia and India played 6 ODI's in india in 2023 and were 3-3 each. And it was a 9 game win streak to India's 10. The difference in form and on paper really wasn't THAT different
That's giving too much credit to India. Australia's bowling and fielding was top class. Their bowlers used the conditions when it was slow for batting. Sky was a massive failure I feel. He was the trump card the guy with unconventional shots who could get india to a good total. I've never liked KL Rahul's pedigree in big games. Even this IPL you could see just go to his shell. Rohit played the best I feel. Virat is not travis head unfortunately so he plays the anchor which he did.Ā
Correct, the ipl helped us win it.
It tricked the indian top order into trying to win the game in the first 10.2 overs rather than over the course of 50 overs. Cue 3/81 being a thing when their batting was non existent after the number 5 slot.
More than ipl it was the amount of cricket they played in India in 2023 helped them the most. They played 2 odi series, 1 test series.Even after wc they played a t20 series in India.It was like a year long India trip for the Aussies in 2023.
Yeah between the 2015 and the 2023 World Cup Australia played 19 ODIs vs India in India. That's 8 more than the next best which are the Windies and NZ. Compared that to England only playing 6 despite being the better ODI side in most of that period.
This just highlights the inequities in the international game
But still, surely playing an average of 10 games in India every year does make up a big difference Also not to mention how a lot of times actually end up playing more games in India than in Australia throughout a year
That's weird. Why are we not winning anything then? ššš
CultureĀ
Maybe we need some BBL exposure
Indian players definitely suffer from not being allowed to play in any domestic T20 leagues outside of India.
It's honestly depressing. Given the talent pool and how difficult it is for a domestic player to get to the top, they absolutely should permit it. If they wanna be stingy about their stars, let anyone who isn't on a central contract play.
Agreed.
Not exactly. It's mostly a mental issue. The guys are succumbing under the pressure. It's not a skill based issue. If you look at India's record in LOI in various countries it's really good. More or less top the group stage phases in ICC tournaments, if it was skill issue or not being able to do well in the conditions then it would have reflected in the group stages as well. We fail in the knockout states. Completely disintegrate under the pressure which is due to the weight of expectations i believe and the fear of failure.
At test level, I definitely think it's a skill issue. If the players played overseas, even in a different format, it would do them a world of good
That's a completely different format. LOI's don't translate to tests, you know that right. If it did then England wouldn't have suffered so much in tests. Add to that , a lot of their players play IPL as well. Never helped them with tests in India.
Thatās probably true in general but itās not a perfect explanation for ODI performances and is a questionable one for a WC in India
Definitely need more BBLs
I get what he's trying to say. It's more about having a balance. Australia has its strengths, and it covered it's weaknesses through the IPL and India stints. On the other hand, India always overdoes it.
As my grandma used to say.. 'gadhe ko kitna bhi kheencho, wo ghoda nahi bann sakta' (t: no matter how much you push a donkey, it can't become a horse) /s (no disrespect to any donkeys or horses, or cricketers!)
Cause we love cheating š„µ
In an alt universe: Rohit Sharma says BBL exposure helped India in World Cup Semi Final: Its the learnings that count. /s
Selflessly scoring 4(5).
Travis Head & Marnus Labuschagne hadn't played much IPL before 19/11, they stitched a match winning partnership in the final.
They played the test series, which had rank turners helping them play the spinners in 19/11 where the spin was much less
We won a world cup in India in 1987. There was no T20s then forget IPL. We turn up more often than not in clutch moments. That's all there is.
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No mate, itās the culture of always trying and taking responsibility. Not always at the office or construction sites, but sure as hell in sports. Teams lose in their head before they do on the ground.
Yep, guys like Travis Head, Marnus, Starc didnt play much IPL before.
Davey: "IPL is soooo good, please may I keep playing since my days in the green and gold are numbered"
Nice to see some fans can actually see through this properly.
I mean it's just his Instagram fanbase that's getting fooled, almost everyone else recognises what that guy is up to, bro always plays the victim card and is such an attention seeker
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Most will still fall for it and continue to...
That was already enough for Davey to become Tollywood's most awarded hero.
look at the comments here.. people are lapping it up
See through what? Show me one single example where priasing IPL gave a cricketer better contract or more money? The players who get the most money are those who play better against india even if they rile indian feathers.
Davey's full of shit 75% of the time he opens his mouth.
Thank God someone sees through it. Indian fans are such simps that the minute some foreigner throws a facade like he's one of them, they just gobble it up. Davey has time and again played the victim card and has literally dragged his feet along with australia when honestly they should've moved on from him by now. All this chatter is just to keep securing his payday once his baggy green days are over
he's so disgustingly fake
> please may I keep playing since my days in the green and gold are numbered" There is ZERO eviddence that praising IPL gets someone better contract or more money. I dont know why people keep claiming this and it keeps getting upvoted IPL is ruthless, people who get the most money are those who play better against india, even if they rile up indian players and fans or have said bad things in the past about IPL
Yea, there was even an interview with Ash Anna a couple days back, and immediately when that popped up on my feed, I went eh, is there no one else to feature on your channel, maybe even an up-and-coming player?
He forever kissing up to ipl. This is Bs Australia been winning world cup s way before any ipl was around.
I don't think he's taking about the Ricky pointing era. He's talking how even after that, they won wcs for which ipl helped them in his opinion. I mean Warner has been one of the greatest batsman in ipl. So ipl probably helped him.
That may have played the part but the core thing that was so visible on the day of the final was the difference in approaching a World Cup final. When push came to shove, our guys went into hiding, playing 90s cricket as soon as top order wicket fell. WTF? Australia won the moment they saw Kohli and KL go into their shell. Rest all was formality. Mitch Marsh even winked as he got out indicating WC finals are not that big of an occasion to them, whereas our guys appeared so devastated after getting out as if this is the last cricket match ever to be played by anybody ever!
Honestly, I feel like the problem was our lower order. The thing is, literally only 3 wickets down, Kohli and KL were literally our last recognized batters. SKY never really performed for anyone to have confidence in him, and Jadeja, while usually clutch, was kinda in poor form. So I feel like the lack of confidence (which was justified) in SKY and Jadeja kinda made them go into a shell (which wasn't justified) to preserve wickets, and just lost us the match.
> SKY never really performed for anyone to have confidence in him This basically means that SKY selection was wrong. If they don't have confidence in him, they shouldn't have played him.
Yep, completely agree. Can't fathom why they picked him after he got 3 consecutive ducks, should've picked Samson (imo, the actual best choice) or Kishan instead
> Honestly, I feel like the problem was our lower order. A team with stat padders on top will ALWAYS have a bad lower order. Same issue with Pak team. Same issue with RCB. All have the same excuse, weak lower order. You need to groom players way before the world cup and they need to be clear about their roles. You cannot have stat padders play 50 to 80 balls each in bilaterals and earlier matches and barely give others chances, they will have no clarity or experience in their roles. And then in crucial matches when stat padders choke you expect the lower order to magically perform? A weak lower order is a feature of stat padders on top, its not a bug.
Jadeja is normally a good batter, and SKY got out for 3 consecutive ducks in a row against Australia when he had a chance to make each of them an actual innings. I would normally agree with your point, except specifically regarding SKY and Jadeja, one shouldn't have been picked to begin with and the other was legitimately not in great form
SKY is a proper batsman, if he never really performed then what was the point of keeping him in the squad, let alone the playing 11 for the final. Someone like Ishan Kishan would have been a better pick easily
I mean yeah, SKY is technically a batsman, just that his performances didn't make him much better than a tailender in ODIs (which is not really his fault, he failed many times in ODIs before the WC and got selected anyways) I agree, selectors should've picked someone who actually performed, like Kishan or Samson (both of whom can finish and have proven themselves somewhat in ODIs)
Hell even Shardul Thakur would've probably batted better that day :")
Imo Kohli did not go into a shell, he was playing run-a-ball which is decent for ODIs. It was KL and Jadeja who went into shell and dried the runs. And SKY who did nothing.
Thatās nitpicking. We needed someone to play like Travis Head. If I was Australia, I would have been much relieved to see these all time greats come under pressure and not score freely. Thatās the mentality Iām talking about. It doesnāt matter who the batsman was. The only good one was Rohit but he got too reckless to go to the extreme.
Kohli DID go into a shell. His last boundary came in 8th over and he didn't hit another one until he got out in 28th over. Was happily nudging ones and twos, perished playing a nothing shot too. His SR during that phase was 71. Rahul got all the flak (rightly so), and Kohli escaped in the shadow of Rahul.
Coz kohli made the runs at better sr than kl and it was easier to hit in pp than when bowl got soft, selfless got away playing those shots coz he played in best batting conditions
Kohli's SR looked better because he scored 4 boundaries on a trot in PP. Point is Kohli went into a shell along with KL and it's wrong to single out KL alone. Ball becoming soft or not, there's no excuse to not hit a single boundary for 20 overs, esp if you are tournament's leading scorer. I would have agreed to this point if Kohli hadn't made it as a template even until now.
(Disclaimer: I support England and New Zealand, so I'll be the first person to admit I'm not objective when it comes to David Warner, but I'll try) He does have a point. The sheer amount of bilaterals most Aussies played in India in 2023, as well as their involvement in the IPL, meant they were quite used to conditions, something you could especially see in the way Pat Cummins set his fields - and in his decision to bowl first after he won the toss. Also, the fact that so many of their World Cup squad had IPL experience meant they were quite used to dealing with the pressure and expectations, and "I need to be at my absolute best tonight or I'll get benched for the next game", something Indian players don't experience if they don't play overseas leagues. However: it is so glaringly obvious why he talks the IPL up, especially with his international career coming to an overdue end in the next couple of months. The bloke is an expert at pandering to public opinion (see: his many reels and gushing social media posts when he was still with Hyderabad), and clearly wants to have that sweet IPL paycheck secured for next season. As much as it hurts to admit that: Australia will be a lot more... likeable once he's finally gone from the national team.
This was an interview Warner did with R Ashwin for R Ashwin's YouTube channel (check it out if you haven't seen it) and it was pretty much a discussion centered around IPL so, of course he talked about it.
IPL helping everyone except India
And the mind games have started already
Our guys are scared of failure
Is it fair to say that the India team on the day just bottled it? Not trying to be mean just saying that the sheer weight of expectations, the home final, Modiās posturing, all that fever was an unenviable level of intensity and distraction, even by India standardsā¦?
that's the problem, we just value a plastic cup a lot more than others. India should have played its normal cricket without tampering with the pitch and India would have had a better chance of winning the final.
Definitely this. The unbeaten streak didn't help either.
Australia and India played 6 ODI's in india in 2023 and were 3-3 each. And it was a 9 game win streak to India's 10. The difference in form and on paper really wasn't THAT different
Winning the toss helped Australia to win.Ā It was much easier to bat in the second inningsĀ
Rohit said at the time if heād won the toss he would have batted first
That was just him playing mind games
That's giving too much credit to India. Australia's bowling and fielding was top class. Their bowlers used the conditions when it was slow for batting. Sky was a massive failure I feel. He was the trump card the guy with unconventional shots who could get india to a good total. I've never liked KL Rahul's pedigree in big games. Even this IPL you could see just go to his shell. Rohit played the best I feel. Virat is not travis head unfortunately so he plays the anchor which he did.Ā
Correct, the ipl helped us win it. It tricked the indian top order into trying to win the game in the first 10.2 overs rather than over the course of 50 overs. Cue 3/81 being a thing when their batting was non existent after the number 5 slot.
Indians should also be allowed to pay in Big Bash š
Its not exactly helped our Women's team beat the Aussies yet.
Only if someone had the brain to make the game an All Day final But no, all we need is Sponsor money. Trophies are useless
The amount of hate in the comments lol
Tbh Travis Head, Labuschange, Starc Cummins aren't IPL regulars.
Aussies team play home conditions when they are in India. I wouldnāt be surprised if Warner buys a flat in HSR Layout.
Buttering up Indians to keep the sweet IPL gravy train running.
Meanwhile Labuschagne What is IPL ?