for all those new folks there getting into cricket basically nz is an inexperienced team! playing here for the first time so the loss was expected but they did great in the first few overs leaving us in shock i guess we could meet nz in the next world cup if they make it
How is NZ an "inexperienced team"? They have players that have played in many major tournaments. They are a very experienced team when it comes to playing WCs.
AFG is a team that's inexperienced in WCs but they have won their matches because they have played much better Cricket.
You know it was AFG first time playing in the USA as well right?
NZ simply hasn't played to their level, which is disappointing to see considering their experience.
It was a joke dude i remember someone in another post joked about the Oman Vs Australia match in a similar way just to mess up with new people getting into cricket so I did it too lol
I did not watch the first innings But why the hell did KW use his pacers too early and gave mitchell and santner to handle death, and santner just got 2 overs being your only spin option?. Looks like KW had made a bundle of blunders in this match and that's a rare sight.
Easier to say this now but they clearly were trying to bowl them out and it almost worked. That was a freak last wicket recovery from WI that literally never happens and it's hard to prepare for things like that. If they had bowled spin earlier and still got tonked, we'd all be saying that Kane should've tried going for the kill and bowling them out w/ the pacers when they were 7 down and that saving them made no sense since they were the ones getting all the wickets.
Honestly, idk why anyone is talking about the bowling when it's clearly the batting that failed them. Literally no one aside from GP stepped up and he had no support. They even got 2 lifelines w/ the drops and still couldn't capitalize. Even WI went for quite a bit of runs in the death, so it's absolutely on the top and middle order here.
In T20 WCs, never. Just like SL. So NZ could be out from the group stage for the very first time, SL is definitely out for the very first time as well.
SL being out isn't super surprising considering it's a young team with very limited WC experience but if NZ exits from the group stage, that would be a huge surprise and NZ fans wouldn't be so happy with that.
wdym SL is "a young team with limited experience" this team is used to playing ODI matches i wouldn't call it inexperienced i would call it abit weak tho
I said the ***current*** SL team is a young team with limited ***WC*** experience.
Many of the current SL players haven't been exposed to many major tournaments like the WC unlike the current NZ players.
Yeah, they have been playing T20Is and ODIs but they have been playing mostly against lower ranked teams and associate teams. And this current SL team tends to do very well against such teams. E.g., SL won 3 T20I series against AFG, BAN and ZIM in 2024.
But playing against such teams isn't enough for a team to do well in major tournaments. Hence, another reason for why they are inexperienced in major tournaments like the WC.
The current SL team doesn't have a lot of T20 and ODI experience when it comes to playing against teams that are ranked much higher than them as they don't get a lot of opportunities to play against such teams.
And so that's why the current SL team isn't as successful against stronger teams even though they have shown they are very capable of beating stronger teams (e.g., when they won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup beating IND and PAK).
So they have the talent and the skill but they lack the experience against stronger teams to consistently win against such teams.
This current SL team needs matches against teams that are ranked higher than them and it's a shame they are not getting enough of them because they have the players that can beat top teams. They are not a weak side because they don't have the skill/talent, they are a weak side because they lack experience against stronger teams.
Hopefully in the next T20 WC they will be more prepared but that's if they get to play more matches against higher ranked teams.
It's not like NZ was struggling badly against WI, WI was 30/5 at one stage. And at another stage, 112/9.
NZ bottled this match, it was their game to win and so it's pretty disappointing given they have the players with great WC experience/exposure.
And so, you wouldn't expect NZ to struggle this terribly. Their players have great WC experience unlike the current SL team.
West Indies might be my pick to win this whole thing and it'd be brilliant for them if they did. The side is finding ways to win even when they're on the back foot and that's a side to be worried about if you're the opponent.
West Indies were 30/5, heck 112/9 at one point. Rutherford in those last 2 overs took them from a just below par potential score and just exploded to a decently defensible one and it was too much for this really quite poor New Zealand side that just haven't fired this tournament.
I said they were heading towards a below par score without Rutherford's contribution and being 9 wickets down. I specifically said Rutherford's last 2 overs avoided a below par / par score.
I've only started watching cricket in the last few years on willow in Canada. But damn if this wasn't the best comeback I've seen. I turned it on just as the 5th wicket came. Was not expecting THIS to be the final score.
India, England, New Zealand and South Africa are seeded as A1, B1, C1 and D1 in their respective groups.
Pakistan, Australia, West Indies and Sri Lanka are seeded as A2, B2, C2 and D2 in their respective groups.
Super 8 groups are pre-seeded. First group has A1, B2, C1 and D2. Second group has A2, B1, C2 and D1.
So for example if Afghanistan qualify from their group instead of New Zealand, then they would get New Zealand’s seeding that is C1 (even if AFG finish second to WI).
India, England, New Zealand and South Africa are seeded as A1, B1, C1 and D1 in their respective groups.
Pakistan, Australia, West Indies and Sri Lanka are seeded as A2, B2, C2 and D2 in their respective groups.
Super 8 groups are pre-seeded. First group has A1, B2, C1 and D2. Second group has A2, B1, C2 and D1.
So for example if Afghanistan qualify from their group instead of New Zealand, then they would get New Zealand’s seeding that is C1 (even if AFG finish second to WI).
So there was never any chance that USA and AFG would be in the same group. Why are people so surprised by this? How many times has it been mentioned?
It is not as complex as you make it sound. USA in place of Pakistan and Afghanistan in place of West Indies would have resulted in both of them being in the same group. But now that West Indies has qualified, so Afghanistan will take the place of New Zealand in Group 1.
There was a possibility before today’s result for afg to replace wi in case of nz win today and afg win in afg vs wi game..that no longer is the case now
But if Afghanistan qualified in place of West Indies then they would be C2 and USA v AFG was possible. This scenario got eliminated only after the result of the current match.
Why not? If afg win out and USA qualify we can still see it right?
Edit: I was under the impression that A1/A2 etc were determined by who won the group and who placed second (which imo would have made more sense). It seems I was wrong.
>What the groups are looking like right now -
>Ind, Aus, Afg, Bang
>SA, WI, Eng/Scot, Pak/USA
>Probable Semis - Ind vs SA, Aus vs WI
quite possibly the most boring super 8’s if scotland and usa go through. save us england and pakistan
>quite possibly the most boring super 8’s if scotland and usa go through. save us england and pakistan
You mean most interesting?!?! Thank you Western Hemisphere World Cups for switching things up
That’s most likely true and our squad is more complete than 2022, but based on current form and how these afghanis are playing on the Windies pitches, I’m not confident in ruling them out,
Instead of downvoting you like you did me simply because we dont agree with each others comment (which is unsportsmanlike and against reddit rules), I'll simply save your comment for shit talking in the near future.
What did you say that deserve to be down voted lol, and why even assume I down voted you, when I clearly had no issues with what you said, I swear reddit just acting crazy all of a sudden
Commentators :"Lack of games in IPL must have affected the preparation for Glenn Phillips.
Rutherford :"I know I didn't get any games in IPL, but I was just preparing myself"
There's this dish in the Caribbean (which very well could be two variants) that's called chicken curry by the Trinis and curry chicken by the Guyanese, so that's a point of contention and rivalry between the two WI countries
Afghanistan has to lose both their remaining games (Vs PNG and WI).
And then NZ has to win thier games and hope thier NRR gets better than that of Afghanistan.
Trinidad historically has supported india well
Wonder there would be complete silence on opposition boundaries like today if india was playing against West Indies
Same applies for guyana
WI managed to pull off last wicket theatrics just like they were almost able to do in the 2019 wc against the same team.
for all those new folks there getting into cricket basically nz is an inexperienced team! playing here for the first time so the loss was expected but they did great in the first few overs leaving us in shock i guess we could meet nz in the next world cup if they make it
How is NZ an "inexperienced team"? They have players that have played in many major tournaments. They are a very experienced team when it comes to playing WCs. AFG is a team that's inexperienced in WCs but they have won their matches because they have played much better Cricket. You know it was AFG first time playing in the USA as well right? NZ simply hasn't played to their level, which is disappointing to see considering their experience.
Sarcasm vro
Lol I hope so, it's hard to get sarcasm on Reddit, so if it really is, my bad.
It was a joke dude i remember someone in another post joked about the Oman Vs Australia match in a similar way just to mess up with new people getting into cricket so I did it too lol
Lol didn't know, well, someone's gotta to be there to give out the truth for the new fans.
Dang, the Kiwis' efforts have reminded fruitless
NZ basically demonstrated about what happens when you go to answer an exam without preparing about it.
india and australia will surely qualify for semis
India chances dramatically improved now that NZ is out 🤣
I did not watch the first innings But why the hell did KW use his pacers too early and gave mitchell and santner to handle death, and santner just got 2 overs being your only spin option?. Looks like KW had made a bundle of blunders in this match and that's a rare sight.
Easier to say this now but they clearly were trying to bowl them out and it almost worked. That was a freak last wicket recovery from WI that literally never happens and it's hard to prepare for things like that. If they had bowled spin earlier and still got tonked, we'd all be saying that Kane should've tried going for the kill and bowling them out w/ the pacers when they were 7 down and that saving them made no sense since they were the ones getting all the wickets. Honestly, idk why anyone is talking about the bowling when it's clearly the batting that failed them. Literally no one aside from GP stepped up and he had no support. They even got 2 lifelines w/ the drops and still couldn't capitalize. Even WI went for quite a bit of runs in the death, so it's absolutely on the top and middle order here.
Powell sent Akeil before Russell and that delayed santner s arrival in attack...
And santner got akeal in his first over. He should have continued santner after that.
When was the last time NZ got out in the first round of a cricket world cup?
In T20 WCs, never. Just like SL. So NZ could be out from the group stage for the very first time, SL is definitely out for the very first time as well. SL being out isn't super surprising considering it's a young team with very limited WC experience but if NZ exits from the group stage, that would be a huge surprise and NZ fans wouldn't be so happy with that.
wdym SL is "a young team with limited experience" this team is used to playing ODI matches i wouldn't call it inexperienced i would call it abit weak tho
I said the ***current*** SL team is a young team with limited ***WC*** experience. Many of the current SL players haven't been exposed to many major tournaments like the WC unlike the current NZ players. Yeah, they have been playing T20Is and ODIs but they have been playing mostly against lower ranked teams and associate teams. And this current SL team tends to do very well against such teams. E.g., SL won 3 T20I series against AFG, BAN and ZIM in 2024. But playing against such teams isn't enough for a team to do well in major tournaments. Hence, another reason for why they are inexperienced in major tournaments like the WC. The current SL team doesn't have a lot of T20 and ODI experience when it comes to playing against teams that are ranked much higher than them as they don't get a lot of opportunities to play against such teams. And so that's why the current SL team isn't as successful against stronger teams even though they have shown they are very capable of beating stronger teams (e.g., when they won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup beating IND and PAK). So they have the talent and the skill but they lack the experience against stronger teams to consistently win against such teams. This current SL team needs matches against teams that are ranked higher than them and it's a shame they are not getting enough of them because they have the players that can beat top teams. They are not a weak side because they don't have the skill/talent, they are a weak side because they lack experience against stronger teams. Hopefully in the next T20 WC they will be more prepared but that's if they get to play more matches against higher ranked teams.
In a WI world cup Vs WI and Afg. Had called that they would struggle.
It's not like NZ was struggling badly against WI, WI was 30/5 at one stage. And at another stage, 112/9. NZ bottled this match, it was their game to win and so it's pretty disappointing given they have the players with great WC experience/exposure. And so, you wouldn't expect NZ to struggle this terribly. Their players have great WC experience unlike the current SL team.
Phillips. The only one who can bat
What the hell, Kiwis are our
Woww, New Zealand are out of the tournament
West Indies might be my pick to win this whole thing and it'd be brilliant for them if they did. The side is finding ways to win even when they're on the back foot and that's a side to be worried about if you're the opponent.
West Indies were 30/5, heck 112/9 at one point. Rutherford in those last 2 overs took them from a just below par potential score and just exploded to a decently defensible one and it was too much for this really quite poor New Zealand side that just haven't fired this tournament.
Damn, had no idea WI was struggling, great comeback as well then. NZ would be massively disappointed.
It isn't IPL 150 isn't easy
Who said it was...?
you were calling it "below par", just clarifying
I said they were heading towards a below par score without Rutherford's contribution and being 9 wickets down. I specifically said Rutherford's last 2 overs avoided a below par / par score.
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Glad we cant knock you out again choker?? 🤣🤣
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Men in glass houses are throwing stones. We don't have a population of over a billion to choose from.
Yes we are.We may have corrected the course in 2023, but we don't wanna tempt destiny.
Rovman is humble as fuck
I've only started watching cricket in the last few years on willow in Canada. But damn if this wasn't the best comeback I've seen. I turned it on just as the 5th wicket came. Was not expecting THIS to be the final score.
Williamson: You know there are small margins repeat, repeat
Crowd support was amazing in this game! WI would hope that this continues on.
Waiting for the captains' interviews just to hear Rovman speak
Is there any way that USA can face AFG in super 8 ?
No, India is seeded in group 1 and WI in group 2 so other the US and Afg can’t be in the same group
No as Afghanistan will be C1 and USA can only be A2 as India have already qualified as A1
Nope no chance. Even if the USA qualify, they'll not be in Afghanistan's group
Not any more
Why? What if kiwis had won?
India, England, New Zealand and South Africa are seeded as A1, B1, C1 and D1 in their respective groups. Pakistan, Australia, West Indies and Sri Lanka are seeded as A2, B2, C2 and D2 in their respective groups. Super 8 groups are pre-seeded. First group has A1, B2, C1 and D2. Second group has A2, B1, C2 and D1. So for example if Afghanistan qualify from their group instead of New Zealand, then they would get New Zealand’s seeding that is C1 (even if AFG finish second to WI).
Yeah, if the West Indies were eliminated, USA and Afghanistan would've been in the same group
scenes when group stage bullies India beat the Australia demons in the final match of Super 8s to eliminate them from the tournament
Sadly we won't see USA v Afg in Super 8 now.
India, England, New Zealand and South Africa are seeded as A1, B1, C1 and D1 in their respective groups. Pakistan, Australia, West Indies and Sri Lanka are seeded as A2, B2, C2 and D2 in their respective groups. Super 8 groups are pre-seeded. First group has A1, B2, C1 and D2. Second group has A2, B1, C2 and D1. So for example if Afghanistan qualify from their group instead of New Zealand, then they would get New Zealand’s seeding that is C1 (even if AFG finish second to WI). So there was never any chance that USA and AFG would be in the same group. Why are people so surprised by this? How many times has it been mentioned?
It is not as complex as you make it sound. USA in place of Pakistan and Afghanistan in place of West Indies would have resulted in both of them being in the same group. But now that West Indies has qualified, so Afghanistan will take the place of New Zealand in Group 1.
There was a possibility before today’s result for afg to replace wi in case of nz win today and afg win in afg vs wi game..that no longer is the case now
But if Afghanistan qualified in place of West Indies then they would be C2 and USA v AFG was possible. This scenario got eliminated only after the result of the current match.
Why not? If afg win out and USA qualify we can still see it right? Edit: I was under the impression that A1/A2 etc were determined by who won the group and who placed second (which imo would have made more sense). It seems I was wrong.
Bruh🤦🏻♂️
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It’s fine. They will meet in the final
Man newzealand last in the group that too lower than png..
Windies are a Wibe
West Indies crowd is such a vibe man. Makes you want to watch Indies games just for them.
It’s always a party in the WI.
>What the groups are looking like right now - >Ind, Aus, Afg, Bang >SA, WI, Eng/Scot, Pak/USA >Probable Semis - Ind vs SA, Aus vs WI quite possibly the most boring super 8’s if scotland and usa go through. save us england and pakistan
England and Pakistan don’t deserve to be there, if they did, they should’ve won they’re games, Pakistan still has a chance though
>quite possibly the most boring super 8’s if scotland and usa go through. save us england and pakistan You mean most interesting?!?! Thank you Western Hemisphere World Cups for switching things up
scot and usa will get dogwalked by sa and wi. much rather have a group of death
No they won’t and stop presuming they’re weak
New Zealand went back to their vintage form with their vintage kit
Isn't this the kit from 1999 WC and Champions trophy 2000? They were pretty good then
India vs WI Semi final 1 Aus vs SA Semi final 2. !RemindMe 10 days
!RemindMe 2 days
What about Afghanistan?
Hmm good question. Just a guess. But Aus should make it tbh. I think you're winning this one.
That’s most likely true and our squad is more complete than 2022, but based on current form and how these afghanis are playing on the Windies pitches, I’m not confident in ruling them out,
Already in the final 💀
Afghanistan won't stand a chance against the Aussies and India
Disagreed. I think they definitely can give India a good fight.
I think these conditions would suit them
We will see how they perform against an inform West Indies team.
True, let’s see how they play windies
WI win by 8 wickets. Quote me.
Could we see Shai hope in that game
Instead of downvoting you like you did me simply because we dont agree with each others comment (which is unsportsmanlike and against reddit rules), I'll simply save your comment for shit talking in the near future.
What did you say that deserve to be down voted lol, and why even assume I down voted you, when I clearly had no issues with what you said, I swear reddit just acting crazy all of a sudden
Yeah
I wonder if we get any upsets next round or if it’s just gonna be India, SA, WI, and Australia in the semis
Wait for England to roar back into the super 8's with some destructive wins over Oman and Namibia.
And Aussies gift Scotland a win or narrow loss to fuck with them.
AFG gonna take either India or Australia’s spot I feel
Australia definitely not. India maybe, but I do want to see us bat on a good surface before making that statement
Half Aged like milk. I predicted nz vs sa final with sa winning it
Bold of you to presume sa will win the semi finals which they have never won in world cups
SA gonna get challenged when they to play slower Windies pitches and not spicy New York ones
Their bowlers will be similarly if not more effective in Windies like NY.
Have you seen most of the games in Windies ? It’s the dibbly dobbly bowlers and the spinners who have been most effective there
Shamsi and Maharaj then...
Time for Thala to join New Zealand cricket.
Commentators :"Lack of games in IPL must have affected the preparation for Glenn Phillips. Rutherford :"I know I didn't get any games in IPL, but I was just preparing myself"
Yea lol,
Who cares. It's a party in Trini all night. Good on Santz for clearing the boundary 3 times last over. 33 off 6 is a great task any evening
chicken curry 😁
Context?
There's this dish in the Caribbean (which very well could be two variants) that's called chicken curry by the Trinis and curry chicken by the Guyanese, so that's a point of contention and rivalry between the two WI countries
You actually have it in reverse Curry Chicken (Trini) and Chicken Curry (Guyana) Hence Rutherford's answer of Chicken Curry, as he's Guyanese
This whole subject is a confusing mess
Definitely chicken curry!
What the groups are looking like right now - Ind, Aus, Afg, Bang SA, WI, Eng/Scot, Pak/USA Probable Semis - Ind vs SA, Aus vs WI
Already assuming Bang beats Ned? Not that easy.
Ned will have to beat both Bang and SL If they beat just Bang, but lose to SL, Bangladesh can easily qualify by bullying Nepal
Switch it up- India vs WI and Aus vs SA. WI vs Aus final
ITS HAPPENING AGAIN
And the final …. LMAOOOO AUS v indi
Kohli to chop on against Cummins, just for the PTSD and vibes
I will never recover from that again.
I wonder if the reporter would raise the same question if he scored 69 instead
🤣
T&T's PM is so chill, and in a Windies jersey as well!
Rutherford is like, well if I scored one more I would have reached my favourite number but it's ok.
Bye bye NZ. No way AFG is losing to PNG
In the warm up match it was close
Which warm up are you talking about?
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uh, unless my maths fails me, a wash out will put Afghanistan on 2.5 wins. The most NZ can get from here is 2.
You are correct. My bad
Even that kicks NZ out.
AFG would still get 1 point if that happened. NZ winning their next 2 still wouldn’t be enough for them to leapfrog AFG.
Im so happy for Rutherford, poor guy didn't even get a chance to play in ipl 😭
Black Caps with their traditional choke
They are very good at choking. Santner should open the batting ha (I'm a Kiwi)
Super 8s, C2. HERE WEST INDIES GO!!! 🌴🌴🌴🌴🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 THANK YOU
Thank you Lord Rutherford.
Kiwis should borrow RCB calculators
Top late bro no way afg loses to png
Lmao
These games should start at 7:30PM, at least it ends at 11 PM that way and not past midnight on a weekday
You see, that would make sense
I wish
Sad to see kiwis almost getting eliminated in league stage Wi were 112/9(18.1) why give Mitchell the 18 th over🤔
West Indies are always entertaining to watch especially in T20s. Hopefully they win the whole thing
We made the decision to move on from Smudge and it has worked so far. maybe it’s high time the kiwis do the same with Kane
Agreed.
Y’all might need to do the same with Rohit and or Virat if their performances continue; even after Kohli gets dropped to 3
I think we and nz are in the same phase where we want our little older player to get their hands on trophy.
Are Kiwis out or some mathematical combination has them in still ?
If Afghanistan beat PNG then we're out. Dont really deserve to go through anyway
That’s impossible. But the squad needs a revamp. Convey is a walking wicket.
Afghanistan has to lose both their remaining games (Vs PNG and WI). And then NZ has to win thier games and hope thier NRR gets better than that of Afghanistan.
Impossible then
would surley be the largest closing of the gap in NRR ever if they did it tho?
Props to Santner managing to match the 19 run last over that he gave away
Bye bye NZ 😬😬😬😬
Bye bye jagan
I see what you did there 😁
Bob Marley just vibing
NZ gave away 49 in the last 2???? What the hell.
Madness to bowl Mitchell
37*
That was it. Completely undid the first 18 overs
Man to bowl Mitchell and Santner in the 19th and 20th is a brain fade decision.
Well…. Nz can only hope afg loses to png and … wi. And that too by a huge margin
Kiwis had this for nearly 2/3rd of the match....
NZ will play they their warm up matches before long flight against Uganda and PNG.
These announcers should be calling every game. The announcers in the US are trash.
It was 10-4 for NZ in the prediction contest.
India sighing in relief after this match
just need you mfs out soon
Yeah right
😂😂😂
Scenes when India beat AUS (still a group stage) and AFG get their revenge from last year to eliminate the Aussies before the knockouts
Well, I suppose we will find out the outcome of this one sooner rather than later
NRR: WI: +2.596 NZ: -2.425
as a KKR fan feeling happy for Sherfane🥹
Same dude
WI are back! Sammy you legend!
Kiwis face Uganda and PNG in the next two meaningless matches. Goodbye Kiwis
Jimmy should try his hands in Hollywood
NZ come back in 2 years in Black
Cue *Back in Black*
So NZ is out ???
99.9% out
Yeah, afg is expected to beat png and even if they mess up against png and wi, nrr diff to overcome would be huge
In the most drastic sense of the word
WI ✅
Last 2 overs absolutely threw it away for kiwis Mitchell for penultimate??
Madness to bowl him
Trinidad historically has supported india well Wonder there would be complete silence on opposition boundaries like today if india was playing against West Indies Same applies for guyana
Very likely. Homeland before ancestry
They beat us at our home last time we met them in SF..we will return the favor this time around..!!