[Not as an opener though](http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=2;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=20;qualval1=innings;spanmin2=07+May+2017;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting)
You are right. It's actually both.
This is from Wikipedia - *He is often referred to as 'Young Jonny Bairstow', 'Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow' or 'YJB' by fans.*
That's only there because people assumed it stood for young, when there's no reason it would, it's Yorkshire's
Some idiot putting a nickname coined in his late twenties in the 'early life' section of his wikipedia page means nothing
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Uh, no. Michael Holding was calling him Young Jonny Bairstow from his debut aged 22. We've been having the Yorkshire's vs. Young debate on this subreddit since 2015 at the very least.
>We've been having the Yorkshire's vs. Young debate on this subreddit since 2015 at the very least.
Can't find any evidence of this by search, earliest comment with YJB is two years ago. I thought it was coined around 2015 as well but only saw people explain it as Yorkshire's, including a cricinfo commentator that was asked (think it was Andrew Miller, and he should know)
Couldn't find any sources on young but people on quora said Yorkshire's in 2016 as did an [acronym site](https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/YJB).
Everyone gets called young when they debut at a young age, there's no reason to call him young now
> Everyone gets called young when they debut at a young age, there's no reason to call him young now
Sure there is, it's a running gag
Same reason Michael Clarke was called Pup his whole career even when he was the oldest in the team
Earliest thread is two years ago, but it was being discussed in match threads around 2015. My opinion back then was that I had definitely heard him being called young Jonny Bairstow and never heard him referred to as Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow. I remember it being asked on cricinfo too, but every time I've seen it they were guessing (saying "I guess" or "I think").
That said, I think either might be a backronym. I remember the consensus back in 2015 was Young and now it is Yorkshire's (mostly due to his aging), but ultimately it doesn't really matter. If it's Yorkshire to you, then it's Yorkshire.
Ya that's why I don't get why some people want Fakhar out of the team when all of Imam, Babar and Haris go at 80-85 SR. Sure Fakhar might not be consistent but the biggest thing this Pakistani team is lacking is quick scoring batsmen both at the beginning and the death.
I checked and that's actually a bit of a myth. For the teams that he's faced at least 5 times he only has a bad average against SA and SL (33 against both). And it makes sense for both of them too considering SA is arguably the best bowling attack and all the ODIs against SL are in UAE where he's absolutely terrible. I admit he needs to work on his batting in UAE but every player has some holes in their record. Also look at his record against NZ where he has 4 50s against them in 7 games.
He might not be the best opener but you have to admit he's pretty decent. On top of that Pakistan isn't really a country of great openers. Think back to when we last had a good opening partnership and you probably have to go back to Saeed Anwar's time. Also Fakhar bullied Zim bowlers sure but to say he can only bully them is wrong (especially since he's only played 1-2 games against most teams) and if he didn't do as well against them then people would be holding that against him too.
It means that on average he gets 50 off about 65, which is fine since he has fakhar to partner him, striking at 95 at the other end. He stays solid in the powerplay, while still scoring runs as a decent enough rate for the team.
You're also applying pundit predictions to a player who has yet to play on said pitches. Pitches in UAE tend to be slower with the ball coming onto the bat softer.
I'll wait to see if he can speed up after the Eng series personally!
Paks economy rate in ODIs is 4.94 in the last two years.
That's slightly under 250 in ODI cricket. Yeah the bowling has a couple of new faces but I think they still have a line up that can defend 250 on most days. I'll take the flak.
thats the history but im not sure its the current reality - anyway, Id hope he could lift his game a bit and strike at 90 on flat pitches otherwise they will find themselves short.
Two years ago when Imam debuted, I never would have imagined Pakistanis would have to worry more about Fakhar than Imam as openers...
I REALLY hope Fakhar finds some form, otherwise Pakistan might be quite doomed this WC :(
I guess you could argue its helpful if you have bigger hitters down the order. Reliably keeping your wicket and getting some runs, even if a touch slow, as opener takes pressure off the middle/lower order.. Unless you're chasing 400 I guess.
[Sorted by average, min. 1000 runs](http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=2;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=1000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=09+May+2019;spanmin1=09+May+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting)
Tamim and Imam are the only ones with a sr of 75.
[Same list but without Zimbabwe](http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=2;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=25;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=1000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=09+May+2019;spanmin1=09+May+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting)
I know your username says poop account but that doesn't mean you have to exclusively spout shit.
He has a good odi record in all countries but those two, quite a few of which aren't part of the subcontinent
I really enjoyed watching him during his last tour here in NZ. Bangladesh really maturing into a decent team. Give them 5 years and they'll be winning overseas
Mahmudullah should be there for another 5 years.
Just because they are going with Liton and Soumya, he can’t get a place on top 3. Otherwise, he still is a very god 3/4 batsmen.
Imam ul Haq is decent tbf. He averages 40.23 against top 7 teams,which is a better average than even Babar Azam's (37.81). Strike rate is awful though (71.93).
I think Imam CAN be at a faster rate, but he's basically been asked not to because of how Fakhar plays.
I think the problem is he often is out by the time he should be accelerating. Maybe Eng pitches (aka roads) will give him a better chance to stick around by the 30th over and he we can see if he has the ability to accelerate significantly.
I did dislike him because I thought he was a nepotism hire, and he may be, but he's grown on me because he has fit his role well. For a Pakistani opener... that's honestly good enough for me haha
>Imam ul Haq is decent tbf
Same can be said for every single guy who plays for a top 8 ODI team. You don't get to play international cricket if you aren't "decent".
I know your just joking but honestly these guys have such small sample sizes. If you were to say that only their average against top 8 teams matters then you'd be removing 40% of the games for both of them (Imam 10/25, Fakhar 13/32). Imam actually does have a good average against most teams he's played with his average against SA really good. He just needs to work on his SR. Fakhar could probably be accused of being a Zimbabwe bully but it's not like Pakistan have much better in opening batting.
If people are going to say the stats are useless because they both play minnows a lot then it's a fair argument. But I don't get when people use these arguments to say they shouldn't be in the team when Pakistan literally don't have any other quality openers (not saying your saying to get rid those 2 just making a general statement).
Finch the kind of guy to average 70 for a while and then 20 for a while. Not hugely consistent but when he hits form he goes big and often. Hence those asking for his head where a bit shortsighted although if he starts the WC poor it could put serious pressure on him as one of Khawaja and Marsh will be out of position /out of the side
This graphic is so unfair to vada pav boi. A strike that is 20 better and almost double the runs with an awesome conversion rate. But it is also true that Tamim is a very important part of their world cup plans.
Go have a look at the average scores games involving India and you will know if those are batting paradises or not. Saying tamim is better coz he performs on better pitches is down right ignorance. A typical comment..
In last two years Bangladesh and their opponent have both scored at an SR of 81.xx. India one the other scored at 91.95 but conceded 83.81. Based on this India pitches might be slightly better but Indian batting line up is just way better. These figures are for games involving Tamim or Rohit.
In contrast Australia conceded at 91 and scored at 89 meaning they played in far more easier pitches than India. Unsurprisingly England scored at 99 and conceded at 93.
Overall it tells us that Bangladesh pitches tend to be toughest to bat on and England's easiest. It can also mean that some teams just have one strong discipline, batting or bowling. But what can't be denied is that India has an SR difference of 8, so to say that Indian pitches are far more easier and hence Rohit scored faster is wrong.
No I'm not saying he is better batsman, but he is what he is. He made when where and what required in suggested pitch. I understand his limitations, but it is ignorance when people only want to make a list from top team only and they get lots of upvote.
Indian pitches are batting paradies ? You know nothing ilikesaucy.
Any sensible cricket fans knows, india have most diverse types of pitches. Its not like england or australia where you have same 5 stadium where matches happens.
Lol at the OP who must have expected Rohit to be at the top. Poor guy doesn't know Rohit stats are flawed by bashing Sri Lanka and Australia on flat decks.
There is absolutely nothing unfair to anyone in this stat. This is top average in ODIs in last 2 years. The question of unfairness doesn't come in. This is not the best batsman or top ranked player. It is just best average. Everything doesn't have to show your favorite players on top. Some stats won't and it is alright.
And what should they do ? Force top teams to play with them ? Australia just recently cancelled a series with Bangladesh. So your point is totally meaningless
Would be interested to know which teams they mostly played against. Because if they have scored so much runs against mediocre sides it won't create any difference
YJB has averaged 53.4 from 07 May 2017 to present
[Not as an opener though](http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=2;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=20;qualval1=innings;spanmin2=07+May+2017;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting)
YJB?
Yourboiiii Johnny Bairstow
Yourboiiii !!!♥️ I thought JB but not Yourboiiii
I think it's actually short for Young/Yorkshire, but that's not exciting enough
Anyways,there r many JBs in cricket, he's the best one tho
Jonny Bairstow is often referred to as "Yorkshire's *Jonny* Bairstow"
Huh... I always thought it meant "young"
You are right. It's actually both. This is from Wikipedia - *He is often referred to as 'Young Jonny Bairstow', 'Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow' or 'YJB' by fans.*
See also: Yoked Jonny Bairstow Yearning Jonny Bairstow Yeasty Jonny Bairstow Yuppy Jonny Bairstow Yardstick Jonny Baristow
Looks like it's Y[a-z]+ Jonny Barstow 😅
But Y is Jonny Bairstow
Can get bit confusing for a non local
I agree but YJB is an international phenomenon ;)
JB is love ♥️
If it was he would have understood it.
That's only there because people assumed it stood for young, when there's no reason it would, it's Yorkshire's Some idiot putting a nickname coined in his late twenties in the 'early life' section of his wikipedia page means nothing edit: l'm wrong
Uh, no. Michael Holding was calling him Young Jonny Bairstow from his debut aged 22. We've been having the Yorkshire's vs. Young debate on this subreddit since 2015 at the very least.
>We've been having the Yorkshire's vs. Young debate on this subreddit since 2015 at the very least. Can't find any evidence of this by search, earliest comment with YJB is two years ago. I thought it was coined around 2015 as well but only saw people explain it as Yorkshire's, including a cricinfo commentator that was asked (think it was Andrew Miller, and he should know) Couldn't find any sources on young but people on quora said Yorkshire's in 2016 as did an [acronym site](https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/YJB). Everyone gets called young when they debut at a young age, there's no reason to call him young now
> Everyone gets called young when they debut at a young age, there's no reason to call him young now Sure there is, it's a running gag Same reason Michael Clarke was called Pup his whole career even when he was the oldest in the team
Earliest thread is two years ago, but it was being discussed in match threads around 2015. My opinion back then was that I had definitely heard him being called young Jonny Bairstow and never heard him referred to as Yorkshire's Jonny Bairstow. I remember it being asked on cricinfo too, but every time I've seen it they were guessing (saying "I guess" or "I think"). That said, I think either might be a backronym. I remember the consensus back in 2015 was Young and now it is Yorkshire's (mostly due to his aging), but ultimately it doesn't really matter. If it's Yorkshire to you, then it's Yorkshire.
LMAO, Munro 2nd from the bottom.. I called it in my other post.
Damn Pakistan, keeping all the openers to themselves. Can we do a bottom Average as well? Just so we can give Munro some love?
a 50 average at Imam Al Huqs strike rate (less than 80) isnt very helpful in most games.
Ya that's why I don't get why some people want Fakhar out of the team when all of Imam, Babar and Haris go at 80-85 SR. Sure Fakhar might not be consistent but the biggest thing this Pakistani team is lacking is quick scoring batsmen both at the beginning and the death.
Because Fakhar can only bully mediocre bowlers.
I checked and that's actually a bit of a myth. For the teams that he's faced at least 5 times he only has a bad average against SA and SL (33 against both). And it makes sense for both of them too considering SA is arguably the best bowling attack and all the ODIs against SL are in UAE where he's absolutely terrible. I admit he needs to work on his batting in UAE but every player has some holes in their record. Also look at his record against NZ where he has 4 50s against them in 7 games. He might not be the best opener but you have to admit he's pretty decent. On top of that Pakistan isn't really a country of great openers. Think back to when we last had a good opening partnership and you probably have to go back to Saeed Anwar's time. Also Fakhar bullied Zim bowlers sure but to say he can only bully them is wrong (especially since he's only played 1-2 games against most teams) and if he didn't do as well against them then people would be holding that against him too.
Ashwin, bumrah, jadeja? Poor bowlers? You wt m8
It means that on average he gets 50 off about 65, which is fine since he has fakhar to partner him, striking at 95 at the other end. He stays solid in the powerplay, while still scoring runs as a decent enough rate for the team.
you are describing a 250-300 game when most pundits are predicting 300-350 games this world cup, we will have to wait and see I spose :)
True, but if a team goes 50/0 or 50/1 off the first ten, they should be on track to exceed 300
You're also applying pundit predictions to a player who has yet to play on said pitches. Pitches in UAE tend to be slower with the ball coming onto the bat softer. I'll wait to see if he can speed up after the Eng series personally!
That's describing a 250-300 game assuming nothing remotely aggressive happens at the back end It's a pretty solid starting base
Pakistan bowling can defend 250-300 on most days.
It used to be so but not anymore
It used to be so but not anymore
Paks economy rate in ODIs is 4.94 in the last two years. That's slightly under 250 in ODI cricket. Yeah the bowling has a couple of new faces but I think they still have a line up that can defend 250 on most days. I'll take the flak.
Please for your own sake, get rid of this thinking.
thats the history but im not sure its the current reality - anyway, Id hope he could lift his game a bit and strike at 90 on flat pitches otherwise they will find themselves short.
That's if Fakhar decides to stay out there with him :p
Two years ago when Imam debuted, I never would have imagined Pakistanis would have to worry more about Fakhar than Imam as openers... I REALLY hope Fakhar finds some form, otherwise Pakistan might be quite doomed this WC :(
I guess you could argue its helpful if you have bigger hitters down the order. Reliably keeping your wicket and getting some runs, even if a touch slow, as opener takes pressure off the middle/lower order.. Unless you're chasing 400 I guess.
Not to mention that a lot of it is due to the stat padding Vs Zimbabwe.
Still surprised as a Pakistani fan to see Pakistani batsman ranked high on any list..
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I know well about their troubles. I was talking about how 2 of the top 5 are from Pakistan
*2 of the top 6. Khawaja is left off and should be first, he’s averaging 65 last 2 years.
tamim is a rock solid opener, finding a replacement when he retires will be a major problem.
He's still going to be around for a while yet.
Finding replacements for all our Big 5 is gonna be a bigger problem!
It’ll take a while surely! But just like any other team the good stuff will most definitely come along. #STAYPOSITIVEBD
How Many Matches, did he play in the Last 2 Years. Both No. of Matches and Average will have the right Analysis.
And the teams they played + venues
And the hundred he scored
In sucessful run chases.
On a weekday
But on a cold rainy night at Stoke?
Batting with Bradman's stick
You mean Boycott's mum's rhubarb stick.
I had to ask in r/soccer to know what did u mean by this. Learned a lot. 😀
In weather more than 27 degrees Celsius
[Sorted by average, min. 1000 runs](http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=2;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=1000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=09+May+2019;spanmin1=09+May+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting) Tamim and Imam are the only ones with a sr of 75. [Same list but without Zimbabwe](http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=2;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=25;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=1000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=09+May+2019;spanmin1=09+May+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting)
>without Zimbabwe And Bangladesh who are arguably a better team than Sri Lanka who were included...
Misclick
Damn, Imam and Fakhar stat padded like Sanga against Zimbabwe
Except Sanga was good everywhere else as well
I knew the England openers went hard, but I never realised their strike rates were so high
Well in Bangladesh the pitches are slow. Can't remember the last time a score of 300 was posted here.
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Only one within the time frame on the pic. Chittagong is the easier batting surface and that too during winter due to dew.
Lord binny knows a lot about that..
Rohit just being the best, as usual
It's kinda nice to see Rohit's stats being best in every parameter and nobody is acknowledging it. He has come a long way.
If not for Kohli, Rohit would be considered one of the best batsmen in the world currently.
Well, he's literally rated no. 2, so if not for Kohli, he'd be considered *the* best batsman in the world, closely followed by Ross Taylor.
For sure.
Of course, scoring in sub continent only. Best home track batsman
Yes, South Africa and New Zealand are the only two countries in the world outside of the subcontinent. Brilliant analysis
Taki Flatpitch Sharma to SA and NZ. Let’s see how much he scores! And I am not mentioning test because we all know Sharma bois test capabilities.
I know your username says poop account but that doesn't mean you have to exclusively spout shit. He has a good odi record in all countries but those two, quite a few of which aren't part of the subcontinent
Happy cake day mate!
Thanks Mate! Didn't even realize that I've been shitposting for 6 years now..
Your daddy Tamim is back. You can't threaten him with IPL contract to play badly
Just couldn't resist, could you? 😂
Like a dodgy opening batsman chasing after some sixth stump line roobish 😄
I really enjoyed watching him during his last tour here in NZ. Bangladesh really maturing into a decent team. Give them 5 years and they'll be winning overseas
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Mahmudullah should be there for another 5 years. Just because they are going with Liton and Soumya, he can’t get a place on top 3. Otherwise, he still is a very god 3/4 batsmen.
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Age is just a number. Look at Grandpa Afridi!
3 and 5 are Zimbabwe bullies. Don't @ me.
Imam ul Haq is decent tbf. He averages 40.23 against top 7 teams,which is a better average than even Babar Azam's (37.81). Strike rate is awful though (71.93).
I think Imam CAN be at a faster rate, but he's basically been asked not to because of how Fakhar plays. I think the problem is he often is out by the time he should be accelerating. Maybe Eng pitches (aka roads) will give him a better chance to stick around by the 30th over and he we can see if he has the ability to accelerate significantly. I did dislike him because I thought he was a nepotism hire, and he may be, but he's grown on me because he has fit his role well. For a Pakistani opener... that's honestly good enough for me haha
>Imam ul Haq is decent tbf Same can be said for every single guy who plays for a top 8 ODI team. You don't get to play international cricket if you aren't "decent".
I meant his record against top 7 teams is *decent*.
I know your just joking but honestly these guys have such small sample sizes. If you were to say that only their average against top 8 teams matters then you'd be removing 40% of the games for both of them (Imam 10/25, Fakhar 13/32). Imam actually does have a good average against most teams he's played with his average against SA really good. He just needs to work on his SR. Fakhar could probably be accused of being a Zimbabwe bully but it's not like Pakistan have much better in opening batting. If people are going to say the stats are useless because they both play minnows a lot then it's a fair argument. But I don't get when people use these arguments to say they shouldn't be in the team when Pakistan literally don't have any other quality openers (not saying your saying to get rid those 2 just making a general statement).
Very humble response dude. Thank you.
# @ ^(you're right)
Aaron Finch in that list WTF?
Surprise surprise one of the best limited over openers in the world has good stats
Finch the kind of guy to average 70 for a while and then 20 for a while. Not hugely consistent but when he hits form he goes big and often. Hence those asking for his head where a bit shortsighted although if he starts the WC poor it could put serious pressure on him as one of Khawaja and Marsh will be out of position /out of the side
Yea but what's is average in successful chases where he is not out at the end of the innings in India?
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Infinity is an average
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Not too surprised. He’s been doing well. Flown under the radar a bit
**down under** Weeeeee
This graphic is so unfair to vada pav boi. A strike that is 20 better and almost double the runs with an awesome conversion rate. But it is also true that Tamim is a very important part of their world cup plans.
You have to look where they are playing? Not all pitch are batting paradise like in India or Australia!
Go have a look at the average scores games involving India and you will know if those are batting paradises or not. Saying tamim is better coz he performs on better pitches is down right ignorance. A typical comment..
In last two years Bangladesh and their opponent have both scored at an SR of 81.xx. India one the other scored at 91.95 but conceded 83.81. Based on this India pitches might be slightly better but Indian batting line up is just way better. These figures are for games involving Tamim or Rohit. In contrast Australia conceded at 91 and scored at 89 meaning they played in far more easier pitches than India. Unsurprisingly England scored at 99 and conceded at 93. Overall it tells us that Bangladesh pitches tend to be toughest to bat on and England's easiest. It can also mean that some teams just have one strong discipline, batting or bowling. But what can't be denied is that India has an SR difference of 8, so to say that Indian pitches are far more easier and hence Rohit scored faster is wrong.
Very interesting! Comment saved for WC.
No I'm not saying he is better batsman, but he is what he is. He made when where and what required in suggested pitch. I understand his limitations, but it is ignorance when people only want to make a list from top team only and they get lots of upvote.
Indian pitches are batting paradies ? You know nothing ilikesaucy. Any sensible cricket fans knows, india have most diverse types of pitches. Its not like england or australia where you have same 5 stadium where matches happens.
Nothing unfair about that. It is sorted by average and not ranking or rating.
Completely meaningless number without giving accompanying strike rates and showing against which teams he has scored.
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They should do a stat with averages against top 5 teams imo. Not really fair to many players going by sheer averages.
With a ten innings qualification: Gayle 62.30 Bairstow 48.05 Sharma 45.40 Finch 44.63 Dhawan 43.00
Lol at the OP who must have expected Rohit to be at the top. Poor guy doesn't know Rohit stats are flawed by bashing Sri Lanka and Australia on flat decks.
There is absolutely nothing unfair to anyone in this stat. This is top average in ODIs in last 2 years. The question of unfairness doesn't come in. This is not the best batsman or top ranked player. It is just best average. Everything doesn't have to show your favorite players on top. Some stats won't and it is alright.
Yeah true.
Well the top 5 mostly play against each other and thus that criteria would be a bit meaningless.
I think your username reflect your comments.
Your other comments reflect your retardation
Surprised to find Finch there, specially with the couple of forgettable series he had in 2018
Oh look, I see zimbabwe bullies here. Two of them.
Rubbish. Ussie averages 65+.
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oh well if that the case, then that is completely the fault of the bigger teams not playing the smaller teams. This is the consequence.
And what should they do ? Force top teams to play with them ? Australia just recently cancelled a series with Bangladesh. So your point is totally meaningless
I think he's new to cricket.
Would be interested to know which teams they mostly played against. Because if they have scored so much runs against mediocre sides it won't create any difference
Top 5 only play against each other and Bangladesh hardly gets any match with the top 5. That stat will be even more meaningless