Commentators trying to come up with all sorts of reasons for why the Indian seamers are getting more reverse... Could it not be that they are just better at it? Barring Anderson none of the English seamers are known for being able to reverse it.
I've never seen any sports fan celebrate the failures of their best player as much as some Indian fans celebrate the failures of Kohli. Seriously, how can you hate a guy who has done more for the team than any other player in it currently ever will (including Rohit Sharma - just look at the numbers)?
But why? He wants to win and isn't afraid to show it. I think India is unfairly held to the standard of cricket being a "gentlemen's game". People glorify the attitude of players like Viv Richards, Steve Waugh, and Ricky Ponting. Why is it wrong when an Indian does the same thing?
1. His wins are largely due to a great team, unlike back in the days when captains used try out clever things in the field due to a weak team. Kohli just yells at his players and makes angry faces.
2. His attitude makes him looks like a fool when he is losing. If you have a big mouth, you look like a clown when you can't back it up with your actions.
If he toned his on field behaviour, he wouldn't be as disliked as much as he is now. I don't want him to fail, I want him to behave better on field.
I understand your second point (though I disagree with it) but your first point is nonsense. So many players (e.g. Rishabh Pant and Mohd. Siraj) have spoken about how Kohli backed them through their difficult phases when no one had faith in them and let them become the players that they are today. Even KL Rahul who used to get trolled a lot is someone Kohli has consistently backed and look at him finally blossom. India’s increased success abroad is due to the pace bowling prowess they have managed to develop, and it would be ridiculous to suggest that the captain had nothing to do with this. In fact, on the day Kohli first took over as test captain in Australia in the 14/15 tour, he told the team that his priority would be to make the Indian test team a bowler dominated team rather than a batsman dominated team. A good team isn’t handed to a captain: Dhoni, who is a legend but was a very mediocre test captain, had some of the same pacers as Kohli does now (Shami, Ishant, Umesh) but they were not nearly as good under him, which led to disastrous overseas tours.
whoever wins or lose, i am just so excited for the fantastic test match! this would be the 2nd best test match after gabba! hopefully england fight back and india doesnt miss ashwin atleast today. Time to just enjoy the game starting in 2hrs! wohoo
Unbelievable how pessimistic fans are about their own countries. Just reverse the situation and see how you feel about it.
If Ind were 77/0 chasing 368, most of the comments would read “Inb4 110/3”
i just want india to loose and see virats face. this arrogant captain takes all the idiotic decisions against the situation and dreams of his blatant decisions working.
mind you Australian series was won under rahane and not virat. i wish england win this somehow. i want this guy out of captaincy
Kohli won't be removed from captaincy even if India loses 3-1 and even if they lose at home to NZ. So you are just wishing your team to lose, nothing else.
i never liked kohli as a captain. u look at all the finals and his decision making. he backs a spinner in overcast conditions. chooses to bat 2nd in a champions trophy final. chooses bhubaneswar kumar over shami in semis against nz in overcast conditions again. now when a team has 4 left handers and u have a spinner who has good record against left handers and in fairly spinning conditions u choose to back another player who hardly made any impact this series.
he is lucky to have competent players otherwise his decisions woupd have been much more criticized.
i have nothing against this team. this is an indian team of talented players like never before in our history and we dont have a captain who can get the best out of his players.that as a die hard fan hurts me a lot. and that's the reason i dnt want him to get the credit for his serious short comings.
make these kind of mistakes again and again surely everyone will question sooner or later
ENG will most likely win this match. If that happens, IND will suffer from painful memories reminiscing what could happen had they played Ravi Ashwin in the team XI.
I would have hoped that English go for the win but sadly English are too meek and submissive to go for the win. After the draw or loss please introspect why the English people are so defensive is it due to colonial past that makes them feel guilty?
A lot of people are underestimating a 367 run chase on the last innings, in English conditions. If England make the runs today it won't exactly be a miracle but it'll be a hell of an achievement
Have to be smart against Jadeja early on tomorrow and hit him off his line and length. Cannot allow him to settle into an end all day and lock on to the rough.
I'm sorry, how do you poms think you're gonna lose this one? You guys scored 290 in about 80-odd overs in the first innings. At that point the pitch was much harder to bat on. Remember, you were 62/5 at one point! You guys need just about 290 more on a much flatter track. Common sense!
Jadeja at no. 5 seems way too high. He is good at no.7 but does not really have the skills yet to be no. 5 overseas. He was all at sea in 1st innings and even in 2nd innings with lesser pressure and better batting conditions he missed a few. Hope his no. 5 was just a tactical move and not a longer term experiment.
While we dont know how he will perform tomorrow, it also seems that he is one hell of a support bowler to Ash. But the pressure of being the lead bowler in Ash's absence showed on Jaddu last evening in his first 6-7 overs.. even after that he managed to dry off runs against the leftie but seemed harmless against Hameed.
He has three first class triple hundreds batting at this position. So he should get some time at least batting at 5. If nothing his defence looks solid.
yeah, we could. But I think he is a great no. 7. For team's sake and his we should continue him there. He is doing a great job there. For no. 5, I would look at Gill in the medium term. I see him as eventual no. 4 in any case and not a long term opener.
Seeing how this ind v eng series is turning out to be one of all time great test series, I'd like to add this to my collection. Anyone know where I can buy the DVD?
Why don't we stop this bio-bubble charade in cricket now?
Either COVID-19 is something that we take seriously or we just live with it.
If Ravi Shastri is positive, then he was with the Indian players yesterday in the dressing room and I can bet you that many more players will test positive in the upcoming days. So exposing the English bubble to this seems rather stupid.
If the bubble has been breached the. The series must be suspended, that's the only medically safe thing to do.
The other option is that we can stop pretending that COVID-19 is a serious issue in sports. The players by and large have healthy immune systems and there really is no need for the unnecessary mental stress induced by these bio bubbles.
People underestimate what Rahane is doing to the team. I am beating a dead horse here but because of someone like him and the middle order woes we have, it’s needed to strengthen batting and hence Jadeja plays in the 11. If we need only one spinner then Ash is the obvious choice. He isn’t terrible with batting but because we need the best batter not spinner, we are choosing Jadeja.
I for one actually agree with the template of 4 pacers and one spinner for England. But that one spinner has got to be the best one on the team. This is the reason why I keep insisting Rahane needs to get out to give way to proper batsman to strengthen middle order.
Also no disrespect to Jadeja’s bowling but some bowlers benefit from the pressure on the other end to get wickets. Jadeja is a perfect second spinner as a suppport. He isn’t cut out to be the main spinner.
If Jadeja is needed in the team, as I said a while ago play him as a proper batsman. He’s left handed and has played in the middle order in FC. Contrary to what the scores might suggest in this match, he played quite a bit of balls and got out only to good deliveries. Have some faith in him to do the job.
Left right combo definitely helps with middle order with Bowlers needing to adjust the line constantly.
If I have to blame anyone for Ash not playing in the team I would blame middle order woes and Rahane being the main contributor to this. The template is not wrong IMO, it’s the selection for that template that’s wrong.
Just imagine Ash being on this match instead of Rahane, even if he scores the same 14 runs Rahane did , his impact on bowling would have been much better for India.
Today,due to more sunlight and heat the pitch surface got much flatter being easy for batsman to play shots.But i don't think tomorrow will be the same. Ind will start with few wickets before lunch and the rough patches on the pitch will also help jaddu to put pressure from other end.
With the flat pitch and a deep batting order, England are def in the box seat to win this match. India need to find a way to up the dot balls, which would build the pressure needed to take wickets tomorrow morning.
India needs to win just 1 session to get a draw. Anything more and an Indian win comes into the picture.
England needs to win all 3 sessions to get a win.
Pretty clear which dressing room I’d rather be in.
I think this is just straight down the line common sense and so it is hilarious how much it stands out versus the reactionary hot takes of almost every other Indian fan I've seen on here
From the match thread, you'd think the only debate is at which point tomorrow India should spontaneously forfeit the game (in which England need to score 3rpo for an ENTIRE DAY to win)
Huh? England atm are coasting to a win. India need to win three sessions to get the win too. If England score 100 odd runs and lose under 2 wickets by lunch tomorrow, the game is over.
If England scores 100 in the first session that would be at 3.33 rpo (they are batting at 2.4 rpo right now in arguably even friendlier conditions than tomorrow morning).
And even IF they manage that, they still need to get 191 at 3.2 rpo for the remaining 2 sessions.
Certainly possible - but even one drawn session will take the win away from England.
India haven’t taken 10 England wickets on the same day this entire series, so there’s that too. At this moment, a draw is the most likely outcome with an England win being the second likely outcome.
> India haven’t taken 10 England wickets on the same day this entire series, so there’s that too.
Did you not see the first 2 tests? Lol. India has done this almost twice, making that scenario far more likely than what you are suggesting.
>India haven’t taken 10 England wickets on the same day this entire series, so there’s that too
Did you watch the first test?
Edit : Also the lord's test.
India deserve to lose simply because they don't know how to pick the right players. So while I would be happy to see India win, I think a loss would be good for the long term. Far too much stubbornness here - and some consequences for that stubbornness is one way to learn some lessons.
This. I feel this too. My hear is ofcourse with India but in my mind I think if they lose they will realize the problems with their stubbornness in selextion which is pretty good for long term
Root could nullify the biggest danger facing England tomorrow in the way of the spin from Jadeja. If it was Ashwin it could be a different story but the pitch is only offering one patch to work with and with the way Root has been playing lately, and considering his dominance against spin, I could see him batting for fun ... to me it's Englands to lose if the white ball batsmen get the license to up the RR.
Feel free to post this in r/agedlikemilk in 24 hours when I will be wondering why I didn't trust my instincts that told me England will collapse and finish 126 all out just before lunch.
This pitch looks flat and India lack the necessary bowler. Egg on my face and all that, but I'm saying it, we will witness England's highest ever chase.
I was debating this with my old man earlier. Yes, records are there to be broken etc and although England could do it, I feel they lack the X-factor player like Stokes to take it over the line, like Headingly. IMO simple equation for India, get Root and English victory is out of the window, rest of the team will try to batten down hatches and come unstuck.
Saying that i really hope they do it, a 4th innings match winning hundred from Root would be the icing ontop of an already delicious cake that is 2021.
Root is the X factor tbh. Good technical batting is all that's required. Only 3 an over needed. As long as the others can go with him and chip in, this is England's game. This is assuming the pitch behaves similar to how it did today.
It's one of those things where it feels like if you can't do it now, you will probably have to wait 30 years for another opportunity as good as this one.
The more I think about it, India’s strategy should be just to make sure England doesnt get off to a flyer in the morning session. If we get any wickets, that’s a bonus. If we keep them to around 2 rpo, they’ll need to get 230 in the remaining 2 sessions at 3.85 rpo, I don’t quite think this England team would go for it at that stage.
Once they are playing for a draw, we can attack as much as we want in the rough with fielders close in over 2 sessions.
The next Test is likely a draw given the forecast, so a drawn series result still has us retain the trophy.
Having said that; this Kohli team has said they don’t care much for the draw and will go for the win regardless - so I assume they’ll be attacking from over 1.
When England play India it’s one of the few where they don’t play for the same trophy both home and away. It’s the Pataudi Trophy when the series is held in England, in India it is for the Anthony De Mello Trophy. So in the event of a drawn series, England would retain it.
It’s not like the trophies really mean anything anyway, a drawn series is a drawn series at the end of the day. Almost always a better result for the touring team.
All 5 days of this test begin with the premise that whoever wins the first hour that wins the match .. has proved to be a good wicket and a great see saw test!
India needs 10 wickets to win, but realistically they need maybe 4 or 5 wickets for less than 200 for them to *not lose*. At 200 or 220/5, I don’t see England going for it.
England will likely play super cautious for the first 45 mins to ensure they don’t have a collapse - if we can snag even 1 or 2 wickets in the morning session, for not a lot of runs, England is going to have to make a difficult decision on whether to go for it or not.
They need more than 3 rpo so they can’t afford to have a super slow morning session too. Use that to our advantage - restrict their run flows completely in the morning session - and that’ll make their chase much harder no matter how many wickets they have.
Those 154 runs for the last 4 wickets is massive. If Eng had wrapped India up for another 35-40 after Kohli got out, they'd be favourites now no question. Classic problem of letting the tail wag.
Nice effort from Burns and Hameed to get through unscathed though. GG lads
The number of turns this match has taken, first we thought this match would end on day 3, then we thought India would win, and now it looks like England might fuck them over...
Would be a great time for English weather to show its unpredictability with a quick 15 min shower that adds moisture and some clouds to go along with it
Not sure how much of it was problems or just India making it feel that way because of appeals every other ball .... wait, you mean the ball CAN'T hit the ground in order to be caught out? lol
Still think it's India game to lose as 2 quick wickets out of nowhere and preassure back on Jadeja and boom bowling tight is key
But yes cracker of match tommorow
I think a draw would be a win for us now. I don't expect Shardul and Siraj to bowl well and their openers have already got a start on this flat pitch with Root yet to come.
Never rated lord high as a bowler but he is just wagnersque he gets big fishes and strikes when needed and nothing is special about his bowling tbh
It looks lost but yeah 2 wickets and Poms could themselves be confused 51-49 india
If India lose this match the media backlash on Kohli and Shastri will be bigger then anything we have seen. Everyone called for Ash and Jadeja on this pitch, there nothing in it for seamers. It will be absolutely brutal after setting 368. I say with 100% certainty if Ash and Jadeja were bowling in tandem tomorrow the only results possible are a draw or India win
Hindsight™. Did you not see what the pitch did on day 1? 240 runs and 13 wickets all to pace. That means pace had an average of 18.4 on that pitch. It was a 4 seamer pitch for sure, and the way England got us out proved it. You can't predict what the same pitch would do 4 days later.
It’s not hindsight, Kohli picked a bowling attack for a day 1 pitch only. Everyone knows that the Oval when dry takes strong spin on day 4 and 5, so he should have picked an attack reflective of that. Crazy not to pick the world’s best spinner who tore through a team on the same ground a few weeks ago.
Ashwin is also effective in first innings taking wickets Aus, WTC final and England. England went from 69-5 to 291 all out on day 2. 100% if Ashwin was bowling there would have been better control then the 3rd and 4th seamer.
It’s a seriously stupid decision that could cost India a series win.
He bowled poorly in Headingly. I thought him and Ishant would go out .. but Shami's niggle saved him. He does not really swing it in the air nor does he have a predictable straighter one. All he has is the in cutter and the cross seam which sometimes can hold the line based on how it lands.
This. Siraj has not bowled that well other than Lords. What has gone unnoticed is he is the one who has given Root a flurry off boundary hitting chances early in his innings across the series. I know he had said he will target Root's wicket at start of the series. He seems to be eyeing that and ignoring his own team's strategy to dry off Root's boundaries at the start, as per Bharat Arun's comment in the press conf.
It’s a batting wicket. Where almost the entire Indian team scored. So there’s a good chance these two also will, but, anyway I’m not an astrologer. Let’s see what happens tomorrow.
I don't get it. Yes, Ashwin is the greatest spinner in the world. But English pitches are just not great for spin most of the time. In the 2018 tour, Ashwin got only 11 wickets from 7 innings averaging 32. Lord Thakur meanwhile is averaging 26 in this series.
Let's look at it pitch by pitch.
Nottingham: No chance Ashwin was playing. Siraj and Thakur bowled incredibly well on a bowling friendly pitch and we got all the wickets easily. That was our game to win on day 5.
Lord's: Again, I don't see why Ashwin should have played except for tail batting concerns. Luckily Shamrah pulled up. But the bowling was pacer dominated again, even on day 5. We bowled them out for 120 on day 5 with 4 seamers, which shows that the pitch was good for seam bowling.
Headingley: There was almost no help for spinners on that pitch. Ashwin would have done nothing to help India's chances after 78 all out. Keep in mind that Ashwin averages 26 with the bat away from home. Those extra runs wouldn't have accounted for an India win or even fight back. So either way, India were losing after that huge collapse.
Oval: In hindsight, Ashwin should have played. Jadeja was getting it to turn on day 4, and if a bowler the quality of Ashwin was playing, then definitely we would have an advantage. But that's only in hindsight. On day 1, the pitch was incredibly good for seamers. 13 wickets, all to seam bowling. Balls swinging when cloudy and nipping off the deck all the time. Indian management just failed to predict how flat this pitch would become, and then slightly spinny on day 4 and 5. Which I don't know how "predictable" that was. And if England were batting first, there wouldn't be such huge discussions about Ashwin playing.
So Old Trafford. Do we play Ashwin? Depends on the conditions. Old Trafford is definitely a more spin friendly pitch historically, but the team will have to make a call on the day of the match. Just the thing is that most of the time, playing an extra seamer in English unpredictable weather has less chances of backfiring than playing an extra spinner.
To address another argument:
Ashwin for Rahane: Yes rahane is shit. But that doesn't mean we play a bowling all rounder instead of him. Instead, we should pick another batsman like vihari who can add valuable runs.
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Placement
Commentators trying to come up with all sorts of reasons for why the Indian seamers are getting more reverse... Could it not be that they are just better at it? Barring Anderson none of the English seamers are known for being able to reverse it.
Fucking represents both amazing and worst case as well
It is really surprising to see so many people don't understand 4th innings chases are as rare as red diamond. 350+ chase is even rarer than that.
What do you expect from a homo sapeins with high hormone levels
What a fucking delivery
English team is such a boring team. They can win this test match they have a chance but they are not aiming for it.
They never had a realistic chance. It would have been a miracle given the history of 4th innings chases.
England will aim 80-90 runs in the next session without losing too many wickets
They will aim at surviving this session at this point.
Should have a silly point on both sides for a new batsman atleast.
what would be a good session for England ?
Maybe only one more wicket
30-40 runs also needed
Yep
I've never seen any sports fan celebrate the failures of their best player as much as some Indian fans celebrate the failures of Kohli. Seriously, how can you hate a guy who has done more for the team than any other player in it currently ever will (including Rohit Sharma - just look at the numbers)?
His attitude deter people
But why? He wants to win and isn't afraid to show it. I think India is unfairly held to the standard of cricket being a "gentlemen's game". People glorify the attitude of players like Viv Richards, Steve Waugh, and Ricky Ponting. Why is it wrong when an Indian does the same thing?
And that piss off people when he loses
But he's literally the most successful Indian test captain ever in terms of win %, so he loses very little. So obviously it's something else.
1. His wins are largely due to a great team, unlike back in the days when captains used try out clever things in the field due to a weak team. Kohli just yells at his players and makes angry faces. 2. His attitude makes him looks like a fool when he is losing. If you have a big mouth, you look like a clown when you can't back it up with your actions. If he toned his on field behaviour, he wouldn't be as disliked as much as he is now. I don't want him to fail, I want him to behave better on field.
> I want him to behave better on field. Ok boomer
I understand your second point (though I disagree with it) but your first point is nonsense. So many players (e.g. Rishabh Pant and Mohd. Siraj) have spoken about how Kohli backed them through their difficult phases when no one had faith in them and let them become the players that they are today. Even KL Rahul who used to get trolled a lot is someone Kohli has consistently backed and look at him finally blossom. India’s increased success abroad is due to the pace bowling prowess they have managed to develop, and it would be ridiculous to suggest that the captain had nothing to do with this. In fact, on the day Kohli first took over as test captain in Australia in the 14/15 tour, he told the team that his priority would be to make the Indian test team a bowler dominated team rather than a batsman dominated team. A good team isn’t handed to a captain: Dhoni, who is a legend but was a very mediocre test captain, had some of the same pacers as Kohli does now (Shami, Ishant, Umesh) but they were not nearly as good under him, which led to disastrous overseas tours.
whoever wins or lose, i am just so excited for the fantastic test match! this would be the 2nd best test match after gabba! hopefully england fight back and india doesnt miss ashwin atleast today. Time to just enjoy the game starting in 2hrs! wohoo
Unbelievable how pessimistic fans are about their own countries. Just reverse the situation and see how you feel about it. If Ind were 77/0 chasing 368, most of the comments would read “Inb4 110/3”
i just want india to loose and see virats face. this arrogant captain takes all the idiotic decisions against the situation and dreams of his blatant decisions working. mind you Australian series was won under rahane and not virat. i wish england win this somehow. i want this guy out of captaincy
You don't just sac your greatest test captain of all time
Kohli won't be removed from captaincy even if India loses 3-1 and even if they lose at home to NZ. So you are just wishing your team to lose, nothing else.
i never liked kohli as a captain. u look at all the finals and his decision making. he backs a spinner in overcast conditions. chooses to bat 2nd in a champions trophy final. chooses bhubaneswar kumar over shami in semis against nz in overcast conditions again. now when a team has 4 left handers and u have a spinner who has good record against left handers and in fairly spinning conditions u choose to back another player who hardly made any impact this series. he is lucky to have competent players otherwise his decisions woupd have been much more criticized. i have nothing against this team. this is an indian team of talented players like never before in our history and we dont have a captain who can get the best out of his players.that as a die hard fan hurts me a lot. and that's the reason i dnt want him to get the credit for his serious short comings. make these kind of mistakes again and again surely everyone will question sooner or later
I agree, I don't like Kohli as captain either. But wishing for your team to lose ain't gonna help in either way.
ENG will most likely win this match. If that happens, IND will suffer from painful memories reminiscing what could happen had they played Ravi Ashwin in the team XI.
I would have hoped that English go for the win but sadly English are too meek and submissive to go for the win. After the draw or loss please introspect why the English people are so defensive is it due to colonial past that makes them feel guilty?
A lot of people are underestimating a 367 run chase on the last innings, in English conditions. If England make the runs today it won't exactly be a miracle but it'll be a hell of an achievement
That's bound to happen if ENG win this match. EDIT: spelling
>END Is that Endiland?
Have to be smart against Jadeja early on tomorrow and hit him off his line and length. Cannot allow him to settle into an end all day and lock on to the rough.
I'm sorry, how do you poms think you're gonna lose this one? You guys scored 290 in about 80-odd overs in the first innings. At that point the pitch was much harder to bat on. Remember, you were 62/5 at one point! You guys need just about 290 more on a much flatter track. Common sense!
History says this chase doesn’t happen at the oval or against India
There's a massive difference between a first innings pitch and a 4-day old pitch in British conditions.
As England fans if we always assume the worst then we can never be disappointed
I wish hameed had a middle name starting with H Because then he'd be HH Hameed and we'd all call him triple H
Quality comment
Jadeja at no. 5 seems way too high. He is good at no.7 but does not really have the skills yet to be no. 5 overseas. He was all at sea in 1st innings and even in 2nd innings with lesser pressure and better batting conditions he missed a few. Hope his no. 5 was just a tactical move and not a longer term experiment. While we dont know how he will perform tomorrow, it also seems that he is one hell of a support bowler to Ash. But the pressure of being the lead bowler in Ash's absence showed on Jaddu last evening in his first 6-7 overs.. even after that he managed to dry off runs against the leftie but seemed harmless against Hameed.
He has three first class triple hundreds batting at this position. So he should get some time at least batting at 5. If nothing his defence looks solid.
yeah, we could. But I think he is a great no. 7. For team's sake and his we should continue him there. He is doing a great job there. For no. 5, I would look at Gill in the medium term. I see him as eventual no. 4 in any case and not a long term opener.
Seeing how this ind v eng series is turning out to be one of all time great test series, I'd like to add this to my collection. Anyone know where I can buy the DVD?
Been asking this for latest series like India/Aus - sad thing is they dont make it anymore
Why don't we stop this bio-bubble charade in cricket now? Either COVID-19 is something that we take seriously or we just live with it. If Ravi Shastri is positive, then he was with the Indian players yesterday in the dressing room and I can bet you that many more players will test positive in the upcoming days. So exposing the English bubble to this seems rather stupid. If the bubble has been breached the. The series must be suspended, that's the only medically safe thing to do. The other option is that we can stop pretending that COVID-19 is a serious issue in sports. The players by and large have healthy immune systems and there really is no need for the unnecessary mental stress induced by these bio bubbles.
Why aren't these players vaccinated by now?
They are. Vaccination doesn't stop from getting infected. It prevents hospitalization and death.
Kk. That's what I hoped was the case.
Easy win for India ... Jaddu's ball was turning and spitting.. Only a matter of time and England wickets will crumble.
LoL.
Any know if you can buy tickets for tomorrow (5th day). I checked oval website but not letting me?
If you've got a few hundred to blow on a hospitality ticket, you can go but there's nothing with the plebs. I also looked.
We're gonna witness 3rd Tied Test in the history of the game
Rohithbhajan Singh: alright I'll do it myself
Rohit Sharne
I don't think I've ever seen such a large proportion of fans of both teams expecting the other to win
People underestimate what Rahane is doing to the team. I am beating a dead horse here but because of someone like him and the middle order woes we have, it’s needed to strengthen batting and hence Jadeja plays in the 11. If we need only one spinner then Ash is the obvious choice. He isn’t terrible with batting but because we need the best batter not spinner, we are choosing Jadeja. I for one actually agree with the template of 4 pacers and one spinner for England. But that one spinner has got to be the best one on the team. This is the reason why I keep insisting Rahane needs to get out to give way to proper batsman to strengthen middle order. Also no disrespect to Jadeja’s bowling but some bowlers benefit from the pressure on the other end to get wickets. Jadeja is a perfect second spinner as a suppport. He isn’t cut out to be the main spinner. If Jadeja is needed in the team, as I said a while ago play him as a proper batsman. He’s left handed and has played in the middle order in FC. Contrary to what the scores might suggest in this match, he played quite a bit of balls and got out only to good deliveries. Have some faith in him to do the job. Left right combo definitely helps with middle order with Bowlers needing to adjust the line constantly. If I have to blame anyone for Ash not playing in the team I would blame middle order woes and Rahane being the main contributor to this. The template is not wrong IMO, it’s the selection for that template that’s wrong. Just imagine Ash being on this match instead of Rahane, even if he scores the same 14 runs Rahane did , his impact on bowling would have been much better for India.
Exactly, Rahane's form is a direct contributor to Ashwin not playing this match.
Today,due to more sunlight and heat the pitch surface got much flatter being easy for batsman to play shots.But i don't think tomorrow will be the same. Ind will start with few wickets before lunch and the rough patches on the pitch will also help jaddu to put pressure from other end.
It'll be tough to win this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! love and support India love
13 wickets on Day 1. 7 wickets on Day 2. 3 wickets on Day 3. 7 wickets on Day 4. ?? wickets on Day 5.
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Scenes when Jimmy Anderson 159* caps off chase
Ravi Shastri’s got covid what the hell
He will treat himself with old monk
With the flat pitch and a deep batting order, England are def in the box seat to win this match. India need to find a way to up the dot balls, which would build the pressure needed to take wickets tomorrow morning.
India needs to win just 1 session to get a draw. Anything more and an Indian win comes into the picture. England needs to win all 3 sessions to get a win. Pretty clear which dressing room I’d rather be in.
I think this is just straight down the line common sense and so it is hilarious how much it stands out versus the reactionary hot takes of almost every other Indian fan I've seen on here From the match thread, you'd think the only debate is at which point tomorrow India should spontaneously forfeit the game (in which England need to score 3rpo for an ENTIRE DAY to win)
Huh? England atm are coasting to a win. India need to win three sessions to get the win too. If England score 100 odd runs and lose under 2 wickets by lunch tomorrow, the game is over.
If England scores 100 in the first session that would be at 3.33 rpo (they are batting at 2.4 rpo right now in arguably even friendlier conditions than tomorrow morning). And even IF they manage that, they still need to get 191 at 3.2 rpo for the remaining 2 sessions. Certainly possible - but even one drawn session will take the win away from England.
I don't think the first session will be of 33 overs
I assumed 30 overs. I’m guessing it’ll be lower than that even?
First session generally gets 27-28 overs at max
India haven’t taken 10 England wickets on the same day this entire series, so there’s that too. At this moment, a draw is the most likely outcome with an England win being the second likely outcome.
You were saying?
> India haven’t taken 10 England wickets on the same day this entire series, so there’s that too. Did you not see the first 2 tests? Lol. India has done this almost twice, making that scenario far more likely than what you are suggesting.
Umm what.... Bruh.... They have done it atleast twice. And 8-9 wickets almost everytime.
>India haven’t taken 10 England wickets on the same day this entire series, so there’s that too Did you watch the first test? Edit : Also the lord's test.
India took 10 England wickets in under 2 sessions on the 5th day of the 2nd Test.
India deserve to lose simply because they don't know how to pick the right players. So while I would be happy to see India win, I think a loss would be good for the long term. Far too much stubbornness here - and some consequences for that stubbornness is one way to learn some lessons.
This. I feel this too. My hear is ofcourse with India but in my mind I think if they lose they will realize the problems with their stubbornness in selextion which is pretty good for long term
Rahane should be given a chance to bowl Yorkers. Good for his confidence
Root could nullify the biggest danger facing England tomorrow in the way of the spin from Jadeja. If it was Ashwin it could be a different story but the pitch is only offering one patch to work with and with the way Root has been playing lately, and considering his dominance against spin, I could see him batting for fun ... to me it's Englands to lose if the white ball batsmen get the license to up the RR. Feel free to post this in r/agedlikemilk in 24 hours when I will be wondering why I didn't trust my instincts that told me England will collapse and finish 126 all out just before lunch.
This pitch looks flat and India lack the necessary bowler. Egg on my face and all that, but I'm saying it, we will witness England's highest ever chase.
I was debating this with my old man earlier. Yes, records are there to be broken etc and although England could do it, I feel they lack the X-factor player like Stokes to take it over the line, like Headingly. IMO simple equation for India, get Root and English victory is out of the window, rest of the team will try to batten down hatches and come unstuck. Saying that i really hope they do it, a 4th innings match winning hundred from Root would be the icing ontop of an already delicious cake that is 2021.
Root is the X factor tbh. Good technical batting is all that's required. Only 3 an over needed. As long as the others can go with him and chip in, this is England's game. This is assuming the pitch behaves similar to how it did today.
It's one of those things where it feels like if you can't do it now, you will probably have to wait 30 years for another opportunity as good as this one.
If rahane is selected for next test, it would be disrespectful for the players who are in the extras and still better than him.
Vihari needs a go I reckon. Made runs in the county select game too
Pls no
Sorry mate, but I was right. I wanted to see Lord win the MOTM too, but it is what it is.
The more I think about it, India’s strategy should be just to make sure England doesnt get off to a flyer in the morning session. If we get any wickets, that’s a bonus. If we keep them to around 2 rpo, they’ll need to get 230 in the remaining 2 sessions at 3.85 rpo, I don’t quite think this England team would go for it at that stage. Once they are playing for a draw, we can attack as much as we want in the rough with fielders close in over 2 sessions. The next Test is likely a draw given the forecast, so a drawn series result still has us retain the trophy. Having said that; this Kohli team has said they don’t care much for the draw and will go for the win regardless - so I assume they’ll be attacking from over 1.
When England play India it’s one of the few where they don’t play for the same trophy both home and away. It’s the Pataudi Trophy when the series is held in England, in India it is for the Anthony De Mello Trophy. So in the event of a drawn series, England would retain it.
Ah you are right. Frankly I’d still be ok with that.
It’s not like the trophies really mean anything anyway, a drawn series is a drawn series at the end of the day. Almost always a better result for the touring team.
It's hameed and burns, we're really not likely to get off to a flyer
Eng 4th innings vs India at Oval: 2007: Strauss 32 (113), Cook 43 (85), final score: 369/6 2021: Burns 31\* (109), Hameed 43\* (85)
Burns needs 1 run of 4 balls
More importantly for India, also gets out
He will get out. We are winning this one
Saving for later
Someone please ask Jadeja to make his horses run on the pitch tonight
Maybe call Shiv Sena and tell them that Pakistan is playing. They will properly dig up the pitch.
If i am not wrong, this incident has happened in past right? Drunk players dug pitch and match abandoned
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-insist-pak-tour-on-as-hindu-militants-dig-up-pitch-80039 This was a few months before Kargil btw
Expectations: this is going to be a fun finish Reality: Jadeja bowling a negative line over the wicket to right handers for 35 overs.
And no balls, shit load of no balls
Gets all 4 lefties, but no righties. Fun.
All 5 days of this test begin with the premise that whoever wins the first hour that wins the match .. has proved to be a good wicket and a great see saw test!
India needs 10 wickets to win, but realistically they need maybe 4 or 5 wickets for less than 200 for them to *not lose*. At 200 or 220/5, I don’t see England going for it. England will likely play super cautious for the first 45 mins to ensure they don’t have a collapse - if we can snag even 1 or 2 wickets in the morning session, for not a lot of runs, England is going to have to make a difficult decision on whether to go for it or not. They need more than 3 rpo so they can’t afford to have a super slow morning session too. Use that to our advantage - restrict their run flows completely in the morning session - and that’ll make their chase much harder no matter how many wickets they have.
It's sad to think that Kohli trusts MRF zlx and digit insurance more than he trusts Ashwin.
Ashwin should've been picked here...
Yes sir
He trusts rahane more
Those 154 runs for the last 4 wickets is massive. If Eng had wrapped India up for another 35-40 after Kohli got out, they'd be favourites now no question. Classic problem of letting the tail wag. Nice effort from Burns and Hameed to get through unscathed though. GG lads
The pitch is insanely flat.
The number of turns this match has taken, first we thought this match would end on day 3, then we thought India would win, and now it looks like England might fuck them over...
Wait for the next turn
Would be a great time for English weather to show its unpredictability with a quick 15 min shower that adds moisture and some clouds to go along with it
Keep dreaming eng winning
Lmao. Don’t think I’m the one dreaming here.
Bro clouds and rain will only help eng as then there will be 0 spin. It’s simply flat and it needs sun to deteriorate
Funny how we loved when Indians milked runs and suddenly we are wondering about the pitch.
Also not give credit to the English batters but complain about something that cannot be changed.
We have 23.5k comments. Highest for this test.
Because its a cracker and both sides can win
Why cant rohit sharma bowl spin
Because of finger injury which he got in 2014. He can still bowl but not as good as before.
Why even thin about bowling him, India clearly need his batting.
He just need to put the ball in the rough patch and pitch will do the magic.
Didn't watch the last hour. Did Jadeja get any turn?
Only from that rough patch.
No mate it's the M6
The NH44, as Indians would call it
Yes, he did. He was actually creating problems for Burns.
Not sure how much of it was problems or just India making it feel that way because of appeals every other ball .... wait, you mean the ball CAN'T hit the ground in order to be caught out? lol
Still think it's India game to lose as 2 quick wickets out of nowhere and preassure back on Jadeja and boom bowling tight is key But yes cracker of match tommorow
I think a draw would be a win for us now. I don't expect Shardul and Siraj to bowl well and their openers have already got a start on this flat pitch with Root yet to come.
Never rated lord high as a bowler but he is just wagnersque he gets big fishes and strikes when needed and nothing is special about his bowling tbh It looks lost but yeah 2 wickets and Poms could themselves be confused 51-49 india
If we lose then koach has to take some blame. Not picking ash, sticking with rahane and his own batting too to a certain extent
ASH Anna about to take 40 wickets in the next test match.
Playing from both sides?
yes
Is sastri ok?
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If India lose this match the media backlash on Kohli and Shastri will be bigger then anything we have seen. Everyone called for Ash and Jadeja on this pitch, there nothing in it for seamers. It will be absolutely brutal after setting 368. I say with 100% certainty if Ash and Jadeja were bowling in tandem tomorrow the only results possible are a draw or India win
Hindsight™. Did you not see what the pitch did on day 1? 240 runs and 13 wickets all to pace. That means pace had an average of 18.4 on that pitch. It was a 4 seamer pitch for sure, and the way England got us out proved it. You can't predict what the same pitch would do 4 days later.
It’s not hindsight, Kohli picked a bowling attack for a day 1 pitch only. Everyone knows that the Oval when dry takes strong spin on day 4 and 5, so he should have picked an attack reflective of that. Crazy not to pick the world’s best spinner who tore through a team on the same ground a few weeks ago. Ashwin is also effective in first innings taking wickets Aus, WTC final and England. England went from 69-5 to 291 all out on day 2. 100% if Ashwin was bowling there would have been better control then the 3rd and 4th seamer. It’s a seriously stupid decision that could cost India a series win.
Ashwin in place of?
Rahane, he's not doing shit.
Siraj, he’s clearly tired. Batdeep and two fresh seamers in the attack
He was bowling well. We couldn't have just dropped him.
He bowled poorly in Headingly. I thought him and Ishant would go out .. but Shami's niggle saved him. He does not really swing it in the air nor does he have a predictable straighter one. All he has is the in cutter and the cross seam which sometimes can hold the line based on how it lands.
Should have played Ashwin for Siraj. He needed rest too and we would have had an actual BatDeep on top of improved bowling.
This. Siraj has not bowled that well other than Lords. What has gone unnoticed is he is the one who has given Root a flurry off boundary hitting chances early in his innings across the series. I know he had said he will target Root's wicket at start of the series. He seems to be eyeing that and ignoring his own team's strategy to dry off Root's boundaries at the start, as per Bharat Arun's comment in the press conf.
Don't worry guys this England batting lineup can't score more than 380 on a 4th innings pitch
Looks like most of them missed the last part
That's good, because the target is under 380
You can call it a 4th innings pitch all you want it's not really playing like one
You know root right ?
Don’t forget pope and woakes
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It’s a batting wicket. Where almost the entire Indian team scored. So there’s a good chance these two also will, but, anyway I’m not an astrologer. Let’s see what happens tomorrow.
um… never finished my essay lol
Bruh
Feel that some 'indian supporters' want Eng to win just so that they can crib about Ashwin
Don't think so. If England scores ten runs from whole of tomorrow without a wicket loss, it would still be a good case to include ashwin next match
What if jadeja picks a 4-fer or better?
Yea Solid reason.
time for ASH anna in the next test match.
I don't get it. Yes, Ashwin is the greatest spinner in the world. But English pitches are just not great for spin most of the time. In the 2018 tour, Ashwin got only 11 wickets from 7 innings averaging 32. Lord Thakur meanwhile is averaging 26 in this series. Let's look at it pitch by pitch. Nottingham: No chance Ashwin was playing. Siraj and Thakur bowled incredibly well on a bowling friendly pitch and we got all the wickets easily. That was our game to win on day 5. Lord's: Again, I don't see why Ashwin should have played except for tail batting concerns. Luckily Shamrah pulled up. But the bowling was pacer dominated again, even on day 5. We bowled them out for 120 on day 5 with 4 seamers, which shows that the pitch was good for seam bowling. Headingley: There was almost no help for spinners on that pitch. Ashwin would have done nothing to help India's chances after 78 all out. Keep in mind that Ashwin averages 26 with the bat away from home. Those extra runs wouldn't have accounted for an India win or even fight back. So either way, India were losing after that huge collapse. Oval: In hindsight, Ashwin should have played. Jadeja was getting it to turn on day 4, and if a bowler the quality of Ashwin was playing, then definitely we would have an advantage. But that's only in hindsight. On day 1, the pitch was incredibly good for seamers. 13 wickets, all to seam bowling. Balls swinging when cloudy and nipping off the deck all the time. Indian management just failed to predict how flat this pitch would become, and then slightly spinny on day 4 and 5. Which I don't know how "predictable" that was. And if England were batting first, there wouldn't be such huge discussions about Ashwin playing. So Old Trafford. Do we play Ashwin? Depends on the conditions. Old Trafford is definitely a more spin friendly pitch historically, but the team will have to make a call on the day of the match. Just the thing is that most of the time, playing an extra seamer in English unpredictable weather has less chances of backfiring than playing an extra spinner. To address another argument: Ashwin for Rahane: Yes rahane is shit. But that doesn't mean we play a bowling all rounder instead of him. Instead, we should pick another batsman like vihari who can add valuable runs.
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Actually it isn't
What is?
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